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2014-04-06 11:27:01 AM  

Literally Addicted: meow said the dog: Literally Addicted: meow said the dog: Literally Addicted: meow said the dog: We need the following up study with the females. Females do not have as strong the pain tolerance as the males but also have the differences in the anatomy.

Squeeze an 8lb object out of an orfice, then we can talk pain tolerance.

Anecdote. I prefer the trusting of the scientific evidence.

What study are you basing your opinion of women having lower pain tolerance?

Studies. Not a single study.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/030439599400203Q

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304395902003305

http://web.a.ebscohost.com/abstract?direct=true&profile=ehost&scope= si te&authtype=crawler&jrnl=10646655&AN=37270428&h=7Rsz9nvlwd1oz96g6xSs7w Y%2fufjqmxMnVtKeWT5VvrYFl1hSjrjx5bFD5bhBr6jgrbg4gJeGDVr%2fAi4n5JjMZg%3 d%3d&crl=c  (this is a review)

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S108231741180022X  (review)

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304395997001991  (meta-analysis)

There are dozens more of these. You are welcome and I am glad to see the open mindedness of you to make the changing of the perceptions based on anecdote. This is the welcoming thing to the Fark.com website!

So, what you're saying is, you'll google a bunch of stuff but you won't squeeze out an 8lb object to prove you can tolerate it better than I can. Yet you'll say I'm close-minded?

Thanks for the Fark welcome, but you didn't make me cry. Try harder.


Pain tolerance is about the ability to....*tolerate* pain.  It doesn't say ANYTHING about how painful something is.  It's *not* the same as 'not dying'.

Childbirth is pretty useless in comparing pain thresholds between men and women because it is an experience that men cannot experience.

When scientists look at things that men and woman can both experience, men report lower amounts of discomfort and/or voluntarily agree to participate for longer than the women.  IE - both genders are asked to place their hand in ice cold water for 'as long as they can'.  It hurts.  Tolerating it for a longer amount of time suggests a higher pain tolerance.
 
2014-04-06 11:27:43 AM  

meow said the dog: Literally Addicted: So, what you're saying is, you'll google a bunch of stuff but you won't squeeze out an 8lb object to prove you can tolerate it better than I can. Yet you'll say I'm close-minded?

Thanks for the Fark welcome, but you didn't make me cry. Try harder.

No. What is being said by me is that I am happy that when you see the scientific studies published in the well-respected journals by the scientists who do this for a living that you change the opinion of you and are open-minded about this. I did not just Google the bunch of stuff. I went to Google Scholar and searched for gender differences in pain tolerance. If you disagree with this you can likely get the grant funding and provide the own studies of you to dispute the dozens of the studies that show the gender differences. I am not attempting to provide the crying to you. You asked the question of me. I provided to you the answers. Sometimes I do not like the scientific findings that dispute the world view of me either.


Did you read the links you posted? I did. Your argument doesn't hold up against my proposition to experience MY pain "10" (actually, it was my 8, but that's getting away from my point) before making sweeping generalizations on my tolerance of it.

FYI, the third link doesn't support your argument at all since it reaches the conclusion that the studies are inconclusive, and the fourth and fifth discuss sensitivity but make no mention of tolerance.
 
2014-04-06 11:33:58 AM  

meow said the dog: Literally Addicted: meow said the dog: Literally Addicted: meow said the dog: We need the following up study with the females. Females do not have as strong the pain tolerance as the males but also have the differences in the anatomy.

Squeeze an 8lb object out of an orfice, then we can talk pain tolerance.

Anecdote. I prefer the trusting of the scientific evidence.

What study are you basing your opinion of women having lower pain tolerance?

Studies. Not a single study.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/030439599400203Q

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304395902003305

http://web.a.ebscohost.com/abstract?direct=true&profile=ehost&scope= si te&authtype=crawler&jrnl=10646655&AN=37270428&h=7Rsz9nvlwd1oz96g6xSs7w Y%2fufjqmxMnVtKeWT5VvrYFl1hSjrjx5bFD5bhBr6jgrbg4gJeGDVr%2fAi4n5JjMZg%3 d%3d&crl=c  (this is a review)

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S108231741180022X  (review)

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304395997001991  (meta-analysis)

There are dozens more of these. You are welcome and I am glad to see the open mindedness of you to make the changing of the perceptions based on anecdote. This is the welcoming thing to the Fark.com website!


Feeling conflicted about this post: It seems like a total breakdown of the MSTD character facade, but It is a beautiful smackdown on its own merits. Meow is the best Alt. ever. Truly dedicated, totally grating, and been doing this schtick for an unbelievably long amount of time.
 
2014-04-06 11:34:09 AM  

Literally Addicted: Did you read the links you posted? I did. Your argument doesn't hold up against my proposition to experience MY pain "10" (actually, it was my 8, but that's getting away from my point) before making sweeping generalizations on my tolerance of it.

FYI, the third link doesn't support your argument at all since it reaches the conclusion that the studies are inconclusive, and the fourth and fifth discuss sensitivity but make no mention of tolerance.


LAUGHTER OL. You should probably read the full articles of these for the self of you. The meta-analysis does most certainly make the demonstration of this. You probably are also the person who would say OH NO THE VACCINATIONS CAUSE THE AUTISM DESPITE THE SCIENCE.

There are dozens if not hundreds of studies that do the demonstration of this but hey f*ck science because you clearly have the better knowledge.
 
2014-04-06 11:35:11 AM  

Mr_Crink: Feeling conflicted about this post: It seems like a total breakdown of the MSTD character facade, but It is a beautiful smackdown on its own merits. Meow is the best Alt. ever. Truly dedicated, totally grating, and been doing this schtick for an unbelievably long amount of time.


The five year birthday of the Farkreation of me is in less than the month. Unfreakable will then send me to kindergarten I am having the telling of.
 
2014-04-06 11:36:24 AM  
Don' matta wher ya get stung gerl, Bingo Pajama gon' suck out de paison.
 
2014-04-06 11:37:41 AM  

MylesHeartVodak: Having once worked with honey bees, including the Africanized bees, there are no surprises there.  I have to say though, what kind of idiot works bees in shorts?  You wear a veil, long pants and long sleeves and duct tape the cuffs.


Yes, exactly this.  When I was reading the article and he said "I was wearing shorts and it goes with the territory" (sic),  I was like "Um, no, you do NOT wear shorts when working around bees, you stupid schmuck."

I was going to do a study of where does it hurt more when I light gasoline poured on my body.  But for some strange reason, I seem to only get one shot to try it so I gave up on the research.  I know, what a wuss, right?
 
2014-04-06 11:40:59 AM  
Kurmudgeon
"We need the following up study with the females. Females do not have as strong the pain tolerance as the males but also have the differences in the anatomy."

Women aren't that stupid.


Tell them each sting burns 200 calories and tightens the skin better than botox.
 
2014-04-06 11:42:32 AM  

Igor Jakovsky: [i.imgur.com image 300x390]

Sounds like something they'd do on Jackass


The day Cornell accepts Johnny Knoxville and Steve-O on as research fellows is the day Jesus picks to come back.
 
2014-04-06 11:48:07 AM  
When The Bee Hits The Anus?
 
2014-04-06 11:48:52 AM  

ZAZ: He administered five stings a day, always between 9 and 10am, and always starting and ending with "test stings" on his forearm to calibrate the ratings.

This is how I know he's a good scientist. You can become sensitived to venom or desensitized to pain.


I'm not too sure what value would be obtained from "test stings" on his forearm. His forearm would become desensisitized over time. I would say that the gulf between the stings on it would widen against each new area that had no stings.
 
2014-04-06 11:50:32 AM  

meow said the dog: Literally Addicted: Did you read the links you posted? I did. Your argument doesn't hold up against my proposition to experience MY pain "10" (actually, it was my 8, but that's getting away from my point) before making sweeping generalizations on my tolerance of it.

FYI, the third link doesn't support your argument at all since it reaches the conclusion that the studies are inconclusive, and the fourth and fifth discuss sensitivity but make no mention of tolerance.

LAUGHTER OL. You should probably read the full articles of these for the self of you. The meta-analysis does most certainly make the demonstration of this. You probably are also the person who would say OH NO THE VACCINATIONS CAUSE THE AUTISM DESPITE THE SCIENCE.

There are dozens if not hundreds of studies that do the demonstration of this but hey f*ck science because you clearly have the better knowledge.


What, exactly, is your problem?

All I said is that you should experience the same pain I have before commenting on my ability to tolerate it better than you, based on sex.
 
2014-04-06 11:54:24 AM  

Literally Addicted: What, exactly, is your problem?

All I said is that you should experience the same pain I have before commenting on my ability to tolerate it better than you, based on sex.


I have no problem. I mentioned the scientific findings and you replied with the OM MAGOODNESS I CAN SO DO THE HANDLING OF THE PAIN BETTER THAN ANYONE AFTER POPPING OUT BABBY FORMED AND NOW I CAN DEBUNK THE SCIENCE.

You also make the assumption of the sex of me that lacks the accuracy but I realize this makes you feel better.

I said nothing of the personal pain tolerance of YOU. I spoke of average sexing differences in the ability to achieve pain. Perhaps you have too much of the protesting. Listen not everyone likes the science. I understand this. Politicians for the example love to disregard the scientific findings for the anecdotes. It still does not make them the right individuals.
 
2014-04-06 12:01:34 PM  

meow said the dog: Karma Curmudgeon: If I was his professor, there's no way I would be able to stop myself from giving him B on this.

He is a graduate student. It does not work that way.


You must bee a real hoot at parties.
 
2014-04-06 12:03:42 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: You must bee a real hoot at parties.


Oh yes I am thank you for asking me of this! Is this the invitation? Are you the attractive person? I am wishing for us to perhaps have the date upon which we go to the bee farm and do the testing of this together for the rush of the adrenaline and then we go to the club and do the dancing.
 
2014-04-06 12:04:46 PM  

meow said the dog: Literally Addicted: What, exactly, is your problem?

All I said is that you should experience the same pain I have before commenting on my ability to tolerate it better than you, based on sex.

I have no problem. I mentioned the scientific findings and you replied with the OM MAGOODNESS I CAN SO DO THE HANDLING OF THE PAIN BETTER THAN ANYONE AFTER POPPING OUT BABBY FORMED AND NOW I CAN DEBUNK THE SCIENCE.

You also make the assumption of the sex of me that lacks the accuracy but I realize this makes you feel better.

I said nothing of the personal pain tolerance of YOU. I spoke of average sexing differences in the ability to achieve pain. Perhaps you have too much of the protesting. Listen not everyone likes the science. I understand this. Politicians for the example love to disregard the scientific findings for the anecdotes. It still does not make them the right individuals.


Yep. You know me.
 
2014-04-06 12:04:57 PM  
In the 70's, I was a motorcyclist.
I'd get an average of 5-7 stings a year. Most in the neck.
I discovered that after the first 3 stings, the pain was increasingly less.
Weirdest place was when one flew into my mouth.
Riding into the wind...it was impossible to spit the damn thing out.
Next day I bought a face shield.
 
2014-04-06 12:06:55 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: His forearm would become desensisitized over time.


Actually, it's the opposite. Experiencing frequent or continuous pain makes it hurt more over time, not less.

Literally Addicted: All I said is that you should experience the same pain I have before commenting on my ability to tolerate it better than you, based on sex.


He didn't.  He said that women have a lower pain tolerance than men when compared scientifically. And he's correct, (even if his schtick is rather annoying.) You're the one who got all snarky and butthurt about someone challenging your womanhood, or the "validity of your emotional experience", or whatever. Put your e-peen away, and stop challenging men to have babies when you know we can't.
 
2014-04-06 12:09:27 PM  

Literally Addicted: meow said the dog: We need the following up study with the females. Females do not have as strong the pain tolerance as the males but also have the differences in the anatomy.

Squeeze an 8lb object out of an orfice, then we can talk pain tolerance.


I call that "the day after stout and mexican food night"
 
2014-04-06 12:09:58 PM  

meow said the dog: Karma Curmudgeon: You must bee a real hoot at parties.

Oh yes I am thank you for asking me of this! Is this the invitation? Are you the attractive person? I am wishing for us to perhaps have the date upon which we go to the bee farm and do the testing of this together for the rush of the adrenaline and then we go to the club and do the dancing.


3/10

Too Borat. It's better when your broken English sounds more believable.
 
2014-04-06 12:11:58 PM  

numbone: [www.funnyandhappy.com image 800x656]


It looks like he has a decent sized beenis.
 
2014-04-06 12:12:50 PM  

Z-clipped: He didn't.  He said that women have a lower pain tolerance than men when compared scientifically. And he's correct, (even if his schtick is rather annoying.) You're the one who got all snarky and butthurt about someone challenging your womanhood, or the "validity of your emotional experience", or whatever. Put your e-peen away, and stop challenging men to have babies when you know we can't.


Thank you for this although you have the assumption of the gender of me. Also I do not have the shtick but I wish for the appreciation of you for seeing the science of this.
 
2014-04-06 12:15:27 PM  

Rhomboid Goatcabin: In the 70's, I was a motorcyclist.
I'd get an average of 5-7 stings a year. Most in the neck.
I discovered that after the first 3 stings, the pain was increasingly less.
Weirdest place was when one flew into my mouth.
Riding into the wind...it was impossible to spit the damn thing out.
Next day I bought a face shield.


A friend of mine used to ride around with his mouth open and got stung in the tongue by a yellowjacket.
His head looked like a basketball with 2" of swelled up tongue sticking out of it.
Needless to say, he ended up in the hospital.
 
2014-04-06 12:16:59 PM  

Z-clipped: Too Borat. It's better when your broken English sounds more believable.


Click the TotalFark on the top of this then proceed to do the clicking of TotalFark.com website Discussion after this. Say to these people that Meow Said the Dog did the sending of you. Do you wish for the welcoming thread?

Also English is the only language of me.
 
2014-04-06 12:19:10 PM  

Rhomboid Goatcabin: In the 70's, I was a motorcyclist.
I'd get an average of 5-7 stings a year. Most in the neck.
I discovered that after the first 3 stings, the pain was increasingly less.
Weirdest place was when one flew into my mouth.
Riding into the wind...it was impossible to spit the damn thing out.
Next day I bought a face shield.


In the early 90s, I took a full-grown cicada to the breast bone at about 110mph on my Honda CB750.  Goddamned bug almost knocked me off the bike.  How people can ride in open faced helmets I'll never understand.  I sold the UJM, and bought a fully-faired Hurricane. Been riding sportbikes ever since.
 
2014-04-06 12:25:22 PM  

Z-clipped: Benjimin_Dover: His forearm would become desensisitized over time.

Actually, it's the opposite. Experiencing frequent or continuous pain makes it hurt more over time, not less.

Literally Addicted: All I said is that you should experience the same pain I have before commenting on my ability to tolerate it better than you, based on sex.

He didn't.  He said that women have a lower pain tolerance than men when compared scientifically. And he's correct, (even if his schtick is rather annoying.) You're the one who got all snarky and butthurt about someone challenging your womanhood, or the "validity of your emotional experience", or whatever. Put your e-peen away, and stop challenging men to have babies when you know we can't.


Okay. So, there are no outliers? That the findings are applicable in 100% of all real cases?

I'm not a fan of generalizations.

My point is that my "10" is likely different than someone else's, but I doubt it's just because I'm female.

Differences in physiology, psychology, age and culture are all factors in how an individual tolerates pain.

This is why I find the studies argumentative.
 
2014-04-06 12:27:11 PM  

Molavian: sand_in_my_vagoo: I don't think anyone needed to do a study to find out that a bee sting in the face or in the junk is going to farking hurt. Then again I didn't go to Cornell so what do I know.

Maybe we should do a study on Cornell students.


rookieonthegreen.files.wordpress.com
A Cornell rep would totally do this study.

/Bonerchamp
 
2014-04-06 12:30:35 PM  

meow said the dog: Do you wish for the welcoming thread?


Aww, crap. There goes my productivity.  Thanks meow.

media.giphy.com
 
2014-04-06 12:34:15 PM  
Oh Jesus of the Christians are you the serious person right now or just doing the trolling because I have the trouble believing someone could have this much stupidity.

Literally Addicted: Okay. So, there are no outliers? That the findings are applicable in 100% of all real cases?


Of course there are the outliers. Dear lord.

I'm not a fan of generalizations.

All medical science and social science and engineering and physics and every other of the fields is based on the generalizations. That is how science does the working. Dear lord.

My point is that my "10" is likely different than someone else's, but I doubt it's just because I'm female.

They did not just utilize the factors of subjective measurement in these studies. In the factual information I directly linked to you the studies of the non-subjective measures.

Differences in physiology, psychology, age and culture are all factors in how an individual tolerates pain.

This does not dispute the findings in the any way or the shaping or the formation. The gender differences still have existence. You are making the argument of cause as sex versus gender versus something else of this. That does not change the differences having the existence.

This is why I find the studies argumentative.

But the anecdote is okay? Listen you are suffering from the back firing effect. That is what happens when you learn that the view of you about something is wrong so you do all that can be done by you to convince yourself that you were indeed the correct person. You are not. I know that it has the sucking. Sometimes the studies conducted by me turn out not the way I have done the hypothesizing. That is the disappointing thing but I make the acknowledgement that the science is much more important than the anecdote. You are not having the persecution. You were wrong. Get over this.
 
2014-04-06 12:34:17 PM  

zjoik: Literally Addicted: meow said the dog: We need the following up study with the females. Females do not have as strong the pain tolerance as the males but also have the differences in the anatomy.

Squeeze an 8lb object out of an orfice, then we can talk pain tolerance.

I call that "the day after stout and mexican food night"


Lol!

Glad I'm not your colon.
 
2014-04-06 12:36:53 PM  

meow said the dog: Z-clipped: He didn't.  He said that women have a lower pain tolerance than men when compared scientifically. And he's correct, (even if his schtick is rather annoying.) You're the one who got all snarky and butthurt about someone challenging your womanhood, or the "validity of your emotional experience", or whatever. Put your e-peen away, and stop challenging men to have babies when you know we can't.

Thank you for this although you have the assumption of the gender of me. Also I do not have the shtick but I wish for the appreciation of you for seeing the science of this.


I didn't assume your gender.

I may have made a few conclusions on whether or not you're a jerk, but assumptions of sex is not my thing.
 
2014-04-06 12:37:52 PM  

meow said the dog: Karma Curmudgeon: You must bee a real hoot at parties.

Oh yes I am thank you for asking me of this! Is this the invitation? Are you the attractive person? I am wishing for us to perhaps have the date upon which we go to the bee farm and do the testing of this together for the rush of the adrenaline and then we go to the club and do the dancing.

2.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com .
 
2014-04-06 12:38:10 PM  

Z-clipped: meow said the dog: Do you wish for the welcoming thread?

Aww, crap. There goes my productivity.  Thanks meow.

[media.giphy.com image 400x254]


All I ask of you in the return is to proceed here and to say hello to all on the TotalFark.com website discussion board. You are welcome.

http://www.fark.com/comments/8209722
 
2014-04-06 12:40:21 PM  

Literally Addicted: I may have made a few conclusions on whether or not you're a jerk, but assumptions of sex is not my thing.


We should scissor.
 
2014-04-06 12:43:33 PM  
Do not argue with meow said the dog. Her English is like your logic.
 
2014-04-06 12:55:14 PM  

Literally Addicted: Okay. So, there are no outliers? That the findings are applicable in 100% of all real cases?


Of course not.  It's a statistical generalization.

Literally Addicted: I'm not a fan of generalizations.


Well, I'm sorry, but that's how science works.

Literally Addicted: My point is that my "10" is likely different than someone else's, but I doubt it's just because I'm female.


Yes, there is significant variation in pain tolerance from person to person outside of the differences due to sex.  You may in fact have a very high pain tolerance. You may have the highest pain tolerance in the world, for all we know.  However, having a baby doesn't support this argument in the least.  Also, it's complete bullshiat to suggest that nobody can engage in conversation on the topic without having had that experience.

Literally Addicted: This is why I find the studies argumentative.


I didn't read all of the studies that meow posted, but it's pretty well-accepted scientifically.  You can't correct for systematic factors like adherence to social roles or male ego, but the fact is, for whatever reason, men tolerate more pain than women in general.  They also exhibit a higher pain tolerance on average physiologically.

Some women wear the trial of childbirth like a badge of courage. I completely understand that.  I feel something similar about the 5 1/2 hours straight I once spent with a guy dragging a tattoo needle over my ribcage.  But the folk wisdom about women being "stronger" than men because of their higher pain tolerance is a myth.  Your body created a life.   That's awesome, and it's something men cannot do. You're a tough cookie for bearing the pain. Go you.  But men are still tougher, and that's fine.
 
2014-04-06 01:03:06 PM  

meow said the dog: We need the following up study with the females. Females do not have as strong the pain tolerance as the males but also have the differences in the anatomy.


Old girlfriend told me she once pulled a pair of jeans off the clothes line and threw them on without checking them. She was stung on the VJ by a bumble bee. She said it was extremely painful. The topic came up because I had just had one land on my willy while we were sunbathing. After a few terrifying seconds it flew off.
 
2014-04-06 01:18:39 PM  

Z-clipped: Literally Addicted: Okay. So, there are no outliers? That the findings are applicable in 100% of all real cases?

Of course not.  It's a statistical generalization.

Literally Addicted: I'm not a fan of generalizations.

Well, I'm sorry, but that's how science works.

Literally Addicted: My point is that my "10" is likely different than someone else's, but I doubt it's just because I'm female.

Yes, there is significant variation in pain tolerance from person to person outside of the differences due to sex.  You may in fact have a very high pain tolerance. You may have the highest pain tolerance in the world, for all we know.  However, having a baby doesn't support this argument in the least.  Also, it's complete bullshiat to suggest that nobody can engage in conversation on the topic without having had that experience.

Literally Addicted: This is why I find the studies argumentative.

I didn't read all of the studies that meow posted, but it's pretty well-accepted scientifically.  You can't correct for systematic factors like adherence to social roles or male ego, but the fact is, for whatever reason, men tolerate more pain than women in general.  They also exhibit a higher pain tolerance on average physiologically.

Some women wear the trial of childbirth like a badge of courage. I completely understand that.  I feel something similar about the 5 1/2 hours straight I once spent with a guy dragging a tattoo needle over my ribcage.  But the folk wisdom about women being "stronger" than men because of their higher pain tolerance is a myth.  Your body created a life.   That's awesome, and it's something men cannot do. You're a tough cookie for bearing the pain. Go you.  But men are still tougher, and that's fine.


Were any of those pain studies run on a "non-Western" sample population? I wonder how much of the toughing it out and not complaining is mediated by cultural expectations.

You can also train yourself to deal with pain over time, so there may also be a difference with the age of the test subject.
 
2014-04-06 01:31:35 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Were any of those pain studies run on a "non-Western" sample population? I wonder how much of the toughing it out and not complaining is mediated by cultural expectations.


Sigh. As as been stated for many of the times they did not just rely on the subjective measures of the pain.
 
2014-04-06 02:15:29 PM  

Literally Addicted: meow said the dog: We need the following up study with the females. Females do not have as strong the pain tolerance as the males but also have the differences in the anatomy.

Squeeze an 8lb object out of an orfice, then we can talk pain tolerance.


Meh. Women have been using that one for years without bothering to note that the pelvis changes substantially to facilitate passage of the baby and that the body releases tons of feel-good chemicals to offset the pain. Neither of which happens when a guy gets kicked in the nuts. Or, as I like to call it, all the discomfort of 9 months of pregnancy plus the pain of prolonged labor compressed into two minutes. And followed by a varying term of aching misery.

/runs away
 
2014-04-06 02:17:42 PM  

Fabric_Man: Literally Addicted: meow said the dog: We need the following up study with the females. Females do not have as strong the pain tolerance as the males but also have the differences in the anatomy.

Squeeze an 8lb object out of an orfice, then we can talk pain tolerance.

Can't remember where, but I remember a pain tolerance study done between men and women. The women outlasted the men every time. But then they started telling the subjects they were directly comparing the two, and the results flipped.


So men are smarter than women until pride gets involved. Then it flips.

/well it's stupid to keep hanging in there. Unless bragging rights are involved of course.
 
2014-04-06 02:22:48 PM  
By penis does he mean the shaft or the gland? I suspect the gland would be worst than the nostril. How about the urethra?
 
2014-04-06 03:18:44 PM  

Z-clipped: Benjimin_Dover: His forearm would become desensisitized over time.

Actually, it's the opposite. Experiencing frequent or continuous pain makes it hurt more over time, not less.

Literally Addicted: All I said is that you should experience the same pain I have before commenting on my ability to tolerate it better than you, based on sex.

He didn't.  He said that women have a lower pain tolerance than men when compared scientifically. And he's correct, (even if his schtick is rather annoying.) You're the one who got all snarky and butthurt about someone challenging your womanhood, or the "validity of your emotional experience", or whatever. Put your e-peen away, and stop challenging men to have babies when you know we can't.


I didn't realize that.  My own experience is the opposite but I accept that I am abnormal.  It would still invalidate using it as a calibrated point to measure against since it would not be a constant.
 
2014-04-06 03:37:45 PM  
In the back of a Volkswagen?
 
2014-04-06 03:40:41 PM  

meow said the dog: Bonzo_1116: Were any of those pain studies run on a "non-Western" sample population? I wonder how much of the toughing it out and not complaining is mediated by cultural expectations.

Sigh. As as been stated for many of the times they did not just rely on the subjective measures of the pain.


I am on the phone that is a not very smart one. I was asking if any of these studies were run on a non-western population, and if any controlled for the age of the subjects.

And the feeling of pain is always subjective, it's the response (like pulling away) that can be quantified. This why chronic pain management is a nightmare for anesthesiologists, so much of it is based on subjective feeling.
 
2014-04-06 03:52:09 PM  

CluelessMoron: He wimped out at stinging his eyeball for fear of going blind.  Quitter.


Right on target there.

Bees will definitely target eyes, mouths, ears and the coroatid artery of your neck. They go for the face first. They can see heat signatures that correspond with your veins/ eyes.
I have been a beekeeper for 16 years and have been stung in many places. The artery right behind your jawbone below the ear was the worst. Instant venom to the brain.

Being a Farker though...I was going to say: No mention of the taint?
 
2014-04-06 03:55:50 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: If I was his professor, there's no way I would be able to stop myself from giving him B on this.


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/and yes, they give grades to grad students
 
2014-04-06 04:34:25 PM  

mcmnky: /and yes, they give grades to grad students


Let me do the clarification. Unless you attend the shiat university program the grades provided to you are the symbolic ones and do not make the sh*t of the difference. I have never been on the job market or the searching committee where someone asked about or volunteered the "grades" of they because that is the dumbest of things.
 
2014-04-06 04:50:20 PM  

brimed03: Meh. Women have been using that one for years without bothering to note that the pelvis changes substantially to facilitate passage of the baby and that the body releases tons of feel-good chemicals to offset the pain. Neither of which happens when a guy gets kicked in the nuts. Or, as I like to call it, all the discomfort of 9 months of pregnancy plus the pain of prolonged labor compressed into two minutes. And followed by a varying term of aching misery


True, the average Western woman does tend use this as a benchmark for measuring pain, because society and science has afforded us enough comfort that for the average woman this is our most significant acute painful experience.

While my original statement was actually just supposed to be off the cuff snark, and to be honest not the best example because childbirth is not even my 10 on a pain scale, there are easily as many studies showing that while women may have a higher sensitivity to acute pain, it's also shown over time that they are better prepared to cope with prolonged chronic pain.

The FACT is the amount of pain any individual can handle is subjective and there are too many variables to accurately say one way over the other on a case by case basis.

I agree that there are several studies showing trends that indicate men have a higher tolerance for pain; but for an accurate study, you would need the tests subjects to have the exact same age, phsyiology, culture and psychological makeup to call it definitive.

My original point was it's all subjective.
 
2014-04-06 04:54:22 PM  

meow said the dog: mcmnky: /and yes, they give grades to grad students

Let me do the clarification. Unless you attend the shiat university program the grades provided to you are the symbolic ones and do not make the sh*t of the difference. I have never been on the job market or the searching committee where someone asked about or volunteered the "grades" of they because that is the dumbest of things.


No one is saying the grades really matter.  Well, during course work the grades matter.  But for research, grades, like the points on Whose Line Is It Anyway, don't matter.  Even students not taking classes and doing full-time research register for 12 credits of "research", probably for some technicality to qualify as full-time students, and with course registration comes a grade.

As you say, symbolic, but still, a grade.

And if the grade doesn't matter, then why not make it a 'B'?

yucs.org

/although if MStD insists I am wrong, then I am probably wrong.
 
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