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(Orlando Sentinel)   There is a new front opening in the microbrewery/megabrewery battle   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 39
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2014-04-06 09:05:51 AM
"An unrestricted Wild West of small brewers operating as their own distributors is a threat to the system," said Eric Criss, president of the Beer Industry of Florida, which represents MillerCoors and other craft-beer distributors.

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2014-04-06 09:15:52 AM
I love auto-play videos.
 
2014-04-06 09:16:40 AM
Gotta love that Capitalism. Down with regulation! Down with business-strangling red tape! Death to big gubbmint! Let the Market decide! Freedumb!

Until a small business like Tesla or a municipal high speed Internet company or a one-horse craft brewer might make a few bucks selling a better product. Then the Big Boys rush to the Legislature, pull out their checkbooks and make damned sure their business model is protected by Law.
 
2014-04-06 09:19:27 AM

anuran: Gotta love that Capitalism. Down with regulation! Down with business-strangling red tape! Death to big gubbmint! Let the Market decide! Freedumb!

Until a small business like Tesla or a municipal high speed Internet company or a one-horse craft brewer might make a few bucks selling a better product. Then the Big Boys rush to the Legislature, pull out their checkbooks and make damned sure their business model is protected by Law.


This.

See also the MPAA and the RIAA
 
2014-04-06 09:19:34 AM
It is called the freedom of the market libs. Except when the companies do the bribery of we.
 
2014-04-06 09:20:06 AM
Everytime I visit Florida I'm always shocked by the beer wasteland it is. I just chalked it up to the warmer weather and florida's "culture" but at least now I know other factors are at play.

Fight the good fight!
 
2014-04-06 09:20:44 AM

anuran: Gotta love that Capitalism. Down with regulation! Down with business-strangling red tape! Death to big gubbmint! Let the Market decide! Freedumb!

Until a small business like Tesla or a municipal high speed Internet company or a one-horse craft brewer might make a few bucks selling a better product. Then the Big Boys rush to the Legislature, pull out their checkbooks and make damned sure their business model is protected by Law.


and the problem with that is? Let them stagnate.
 
2014-04-06 09:25:23 AM
But huge beer companies such as Anheuser-Busch InBev argue the laws protect the market from overproduction and monopolies

Monopolistic, overproduced beer company argues...against monopolistic overproduction.

The Senate, however, is coming down on the side of big distributors and beer makers.

Shocking.
 
2014-04-06 09:29:35 AM
In Ontario, the major breweries own the distribution system and the stores. It's far worse.
 
2014-04-06 09:31:16 AM
My favorite place to eat sells only local craft brew.
Is it lunch time yet?

I like beer it makes me a jolly good fellow

\\backward slashies
 
2014-04-06 09:32:03 AM

Rozinante: In Ontario, the major breweries own the distribution system and the stores. It's far worse.


The film "Strange Brew" is a documentary.
 
2014-04-06 09:35:02 AM
Let's edit & comment on portions of TFA:

The rules are meant to control protect monopolies, protect restrict the marketplace and prevent problems dating back to the 1920s meaningful competition from other beer-makers...
....
But huge beer companies such as Anheuser-Busch InBev argue the laws protect the market it from overproduction and monopolies competition...
Retailers ranging from Orlando-based ABC Fine Wine & Spirits to Whole Foods want to make sure microbreweries don't get an unfair advantage an even playing field in the marketplace when they bottle their beer.
...
Allowing microbreweries to have unlimited guest taps "puts them at a competitive advantage," said Scott Dick, lobbyist for ABC Fine Wine & Spirits. "If you don't [go through a distributor], you destroy the marketplace the protectionist regulations the big corporations paid for," he said.
...

Campaign money is helping drive the debate.


Of course it is.
 
2014-04-06 09:35:43 AM
Please, tell me again how we have free markets.
 
2014-04-06 09:37:56 AM
This is for Florida, why do I care?

I can get all kinds of local microbrew here in Ohio
 
2014-04-06 09:43:06 AM

Jake Havechek: Rozinante: In Ontario, the major breweries own the distribution system and the stores. It's far worse.

The film "Strange Brew" is a documentary.


Except between then and now Elsinore got bought by InBev.
 
2014-04-06 09:44:10 AM

too-old: why do I care?


What are you doing??  Don't ask that.  If I asked that question on Fark, I'd have to go do something productive.
 
2014-04-06 09:53:41 AM

too-old: This is for Florida, why do I care?

I can get all kinds of local microbrew here in Ohio


Because every State that enshrines a system like this into Law makes it a little easier to ram it through the next State.
 
2014-04-06 09:54:43 AM

MaxSupernova: Everytime I visit Florida I'm always shocked by the beer wasteland it is. I just chalked it up to the warmer weather and florida's "culture" but at least now I know other factors are at play.

Fight the good fight!


There are actually some pretty good microbrews in the state.  Problem is getting them.  Normally you can't get a microbrew unless you live in the county where it is produced, though sometimes you can get it if you live one county over.  As far as I know, there isn't a rule about them moving beer across county lines, but I think the distributors like to pretend like there is.
 
2014-04-06 09:54:56 AM

diaphoresis: anuran: Gotta love that Capitalism. Down with regulation! Down with business-strangling red tape! Death to big gubbmint! Let the Market decide! Freedumb!

Until a small business like Tesla or a municipal high speed Internet company or a one-horse craft brewer might make a few bucks selling a better product. Then the Big Boys rush to the Legislature, pull out their checkbooks and make damned sure their business model is protected by Law.

and the problem with that is? Let them stagnate.


The problem is that they force that stagnation on the rest of us by driving the innovators out of business.
 
2014-04-06 09:55:15 AM
Even Utah isn't this bad. Though I do think the local breweries have to pay the state for all beer that they sell directly, at least they're able to sell direct.
 
2014-04-06 09:57:16 AM

meow said the dog: It is called the freedom of the market libs. Except when the companies do the bribery of we.


What kind of crap do you have to stuff between your ears to make you think this is a partisan issue? i feel sorry for you, get better soon ok.
 
2014-04-06 10:00:18 AM
I'm no fan of beer snobbery...or folks who treat beer like wine...or folks who put things like 'honey strawberry arugula' in beer (I prefer beer flavred beer). However, seems the GOP doesn't like the free market by protecting big brewers
 
2014-04-06 10:09:55 AM

pxlboy: anuran: Gotta love that Capitalism. Down with regulation! Down with business-strangling red tape! Death to big gubbmint! Let the Market decide! Freedumb!

Until a small business like Tesla or a municipal high speed Internet company or a one-horse craft brewer might make a few bucks selling a better product. Then the Big Boys rush to the Legislature, pull out their checkbooks and make damned sure their business model is protected by Law.

This.

See also the MPAA and the RIAA


You've got it backwards.  The problem is the regulations that are already in place. Texas has these too.  They require a micro brewery to go through a distributor.  This has the result of not even having the micro brewery be allowed to sell on it's own property (unless the distributer wants to) which is why here, you pay a "fee" for the tour and then get "free" beer with tokens.  It has been loosened here in Texas, but it is ironic that such a free market from of small government Texans have a law in place that protects European beer conglomerates.
 
2014-04-06 10:12:49 AM

plcow: pxlboy: anuran: Gotta love that Capitalism. Down with regulation! Down with business-strangling red tape! Death to big gubbmint! Let the Market decide! Freedumb!

Until a small business like Tesla or a municipal high speed Internet company or a one-horse craft brewer might make a few bucks selling a better product. Then the Big Boys rush to the Legislature, pull out their checkbooks and make damned sure their business model is protected by Law.

This.

See also the MPAA and the RIAA

You've got it backwards.  The problem is the regulations that are already in place. Texas has these too.  They require a micro brewery to go through a distributor.  This has the result of not even having the micro brewery be allowed to sell on it's own property (unless the distributer wants to) which is why here, you pay a "fee" for the tour and then get "free" beer with tokens.  It has been loosened here in Texas, but it is ironic that such a free market from of small government Texans have a law in place that protects European beer conglomerates.


Wow, apologies for the lack of any type of proper English, but hopefully the idea got across.
 
2014-04-06 10:20:17 AM

anuran: Until a small business like Tesla or a municipal high speed Internet company or a one-horse craft brewer might make a few bucks selling a better product. Then the Big Boys rush to the Legislature, pull out their checkbooks and make damned sure their business model is protected by Law.


I agree completely with you except for your specific example: Tesla.

I love the idea that new players are in the marketplace and I love new tech. But direct sales model, at least in cars, is a seriously bad idea for the consumer. Dealers deal with trades, something Tesla stores have been hard pressed to do (that is changing, they are working with Autonation stores) and leaving the buyer to get rid of his old vehicle on his dime. Dealers also work with titling and registration issues, both of which are a royal pain in the ass (my boss has done that dance for 40 years and he knows who to farking call to get stuff done). Special financing terms from banks for bulk lending origination goes to established entities with high equity - like owning 400 piles of expensive metal and land.

Dealers are also held under a much greater scrutiny than some guy on the street, like lying about frame damage or tampered odometers or unclear titles or unsafe brakes. There IS lots of back-end work that provides value (not to mention arranging pay-off schedules for underwater loans or rolling over the debt with approval). Tesla wants to sell cars but doesn't want to have to deal with rules specific to car dealers, which is itself trying to cheat the system.

THAT being said, Musk is spot on when he says state dealer boards are lying, corrupt pieces of crap who need a legislative b***hslapping and shown the door. I'm sure a similar situation exists for liquor distribution and production.
 
2014-04-06 10:25:49 AM
A University of Florida study commissioned by the craft brewers found that the state could absorb as many as 500 breweries and create 40,000 jobs in the future.

And that's just in Gainesville, Amirite?

MaxSupernova: Everytime I visit Florida I'm always shocked by the beer wasteland it is. I just chalked it up to the warmer weather and florida's "culture" but at least now I know other factors are at play.  Fight the good fight!


Then you obviously aren't looking very hard at all.  There are lots and lots of imports available as well as the local craft beers, especially after they got rid of the law that regulated bottle size to protect Busch, Coor and Miller.
 
2014-04-06 10:26:27 AM

plcow: plcow: pxlboy: anuran: Gotta love that Capitalism. Down with regulation! Down with business-strangling red tape! Death to big gubbmint! Let the Market decide! Freedumb!

Until a small business like Tesla or a municipal high speed Internet company or a one-horse craft brewer might make a few bucks selling a better product. Then the Big Boys rush to the Legislature, pull out their checkbooks and make damned sure their business model is protected by Law.

This.

See also the MPAA and the RIAA

You've got it backwards.  The problem is the regulations that are already in place. Texas has these too.  They require a micro brewery to go through a distributor.  This has the result of not even having the micro brewery be allowed to sell on it's own property (unless the distributer wants to) which is why here, you pay a "fee" for the tour and then get "free" beer with tokens.  It has been loosened here in Texas, but it is ironic that such a free market from of small government Texans have a law in place that protects European beer conglomerates.

Wow, apologies for the lack of any type of proper English, but hopefully the idea got across.


This is the English language website so perhaps you have wishes for Fark.ru
 
2014-04-06 10:27:49 AM
This is an easy one - mega brewers, distributors and republican politicians don't like unlimited guest taps and want their agent distributors gouging the little guy. When big companies talk about monopolies we know that's what they are are asking for. Distributors saying who get what limits production by the smaller breweries as well. Fark um.
 
2014-04-06 10:30:44 AM
Here in Maryland...

We use a 3-tier system. Producer, Distributor, Retailer/restaurant.

If the local brewery wants to expand their pub into a second location, because of the protections afforded by the state ($$$$), they must either establish a new brewery in their new spot, or sell their product to a distributor, who then sells it to their second location. This has caused the brewpubs to not expand to new locations because the state won't endanger it's precious lobbying/campaign funds golden goose by changing the laws.

And don't get me started on why distributors have monopolies in certain districts or counties for certain beers.

/hates this State's corrupt government
 
2014-04-06 10:35:53 AM
A handful of political committees created by the distributors have given more than $600,000 to lawmakers and Gov.

Can we please now move on from this The GOP embodies the entrepreneurial spirit bullshiat?
 
2014-04-06 11:36:18 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: anuran: Until a small business like Tesla or a municipal high speed Internet company or a one-horse craft brewer might make a few bucks selling a better product. Then the Big Boys rush to the Legislature, pull out their checkbooks and make damned sure their business model is protected by Law.

I agree completely with you except for your specific example: Tesla.
(Wall of text)
 I'm sure a similar situation exists for liquor distribution and production.


What is your point?
 
2014-04-06 11:59:08 AM

anuran: Gotta love that Capitalism. Down with regulation! Down with business-strangling red tape! Death to big gubbmint! Let the Market decide! Freedumb!

Until a small business like Tesla or a municipal high speed Internet company or a one-horse craft brewer might make a few bucks selling a better product. Then the Big Boys rush to the Legislature, pull out their checkbooks and make damned sure their business model is protected by Law.


I've been assured by the Fark experts that regulation has made this country the great country that it is.
 
2014-04-06 12:00:19 PM

moefuggenbrew: Please, tell me again how we have free markets.


Please, tell me again how all politicians have not been bought and paid for. I know... Just the other side is corrupt.
 
2014-04-06 12:29:45 PM

DrPainMD: anuran: Gotta love that Capitalism. Down with regulation! Down with business-strangling red tape! Death to big gubbmint! Let the Market decide! Freedumb!

Until a small business like Tesla or a municipal high speed Internet company or a one-horse craft brewer might make a few bucks selling a better product. Then the Big Boys rush to the Legislature, pull out their checkbooks and make damned sure their business model is protected by Law.

I've been assured by the Fark experts that regulation has made this country the great country that it is.


Actually, it has. Standardized practices for industries drive down costs and make cross-comparisons, both for safety and accounting purposes far easier. And some industries could use MORE regulation - like electric car batteries - to avoid the same scenario we had in the early 2000s with CD/DVD R(W) plus/minus shenanigans.
 
2014-04-06 12:34:07 PM

GORDON: moefuggenbrew: Please, tell me again how we have free markets.

Please, tell me again how all politicians have not been bought and paid for. I know... Just the other side is corrupt.


I don't vote for any of the bastards.
 
2014-04-06 01:16:01 PM

anuran: Gotta love that Capitalism. Down with regulation! Down with business-strangling red tape! Death to big gubbmint! Let the Market decide! Freedumb!

Until a small business like Tesla or a municipal high speed Internet company or a one-horse craft brewer might make a few bucks selling a better product. Then the Big Boys rush to the Legislature, pull out their checkbooks and make damned sure their business model is protected by Law.


The whole time I'm reading the article I'm feeling like I'm in opposite world.  Risk of overproduction? Holy shiat what am i reading i dont even...

Florida is a bad state and should feel bad.  It's not like there aren't other states who have already tackled this issue long enough back that you can review their data and just copy that model.

Jesus Florida, sack up and put your big boy pants on.
 
2014-04-06 01:48:24 PM
So I guess this explains why the "Ale House" is a shill for the big label beers, and why the Brick House has such a small and somewhat odd selection of Florida microbrews.
 
2014-04-06 07:27:32 PM

Unobtanium: So I guess this explains why the "Ale House" is a shill for the big label beers, and why the Brick House has such a small and somewhat odd selection of Florida microbrews.


Minor threadjack
EIP please, re: different thread.... thnks..
 
2014-04-06 07:50:02 PM

too-old: This is for Florida, why do I care?

I can get all kinds of local microbrew here in Ohio


Because you will end up here like the rest of Ohio.

Bless their hearts.
 
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