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2014-04-06 09:38:24 AM  
If I decided to leave the high-pressure, high-stakes world of booth moppery and get into interstate drug trafficking the first thing I'd do is buy a mid-2000s beige full-size Buick, use the ODB-II to set a 67mph speed limit, festoon it with "I Brake For Quilting Bees" and "Ask Me About My Grandchildren" and "These Colors Don't Run" bumper stickers, have it fully inspected by a mechanic every month and then hire a retired couple who lost their pensions through their former employers' bankruptcy settlements to do my driving.

You wouldn't even have to build false bottoms or compartments into the car. You could put a giant Hamburger Shell carrier on the roof trailing a constant stream of white dust and cops wouldn't give the thing a second glance.
 
2014-04-06 10:41:44 AM  
The Texas Department of Public Safety says 23-year-old Bianca Dinora Mendez was stopped for a traffic violation Thursday on Interstate 40.
Her vehicle was searched and seven bundles of heroin allegedly were found hidden in the seats. DPS says the drug is valued at $2.7 million.


Yeah, no.  Her vehicle was stopped totally by coinkydinks for a routine traffic violation and they opened up her seats?

The cops got info on her somehow through something that was a complete 4th Amendment violation, and backtracked a story to make up a reason for stopping and destructively searching her vehicle.
 
2014-04-06 10:42:52 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: If I decided to leave the high-pressure, high-stakes world of booth moppery and get into interstate drug trafficking the first thing I'd do is buy a mid-2000s beige full-size Buick, use the ODB-II to set a 67mph speed limit, festoon it with "I Brake For Quilting Bees" and "Ask Me About My Grandchildren" and "These Colors Don't Run" bumper stickers, have it fully inspected by a mechanic every month and then hire a retired couple who lost their pensions through their former employers' bankruptcy settlements to do my driving.

You wouldn't even have to build false bottoms or compartments into the car. You could put a giant Hamburger Shell carrier on the roof trailing a constant stream of white dust and cops wouldn't give the thing a second glance.


...until you get narced. A lot of the "random traffic stops" that reveal huge drug shipments aren't random at all. They knew the shipment was coming and they were waiting. They disguise the bust as a traffic stop because (a) they don't want to reveal their informant just yet, (b) their informant is unreliable and they'd rather keep him off the stand, or (c) they got the information through not-quite-legal means.

And if the police want to stop you, they will find a way.
 
2014-04-06 10:43:27 AM  
 
2014-04-06 10:46:34 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: If I decided to leave the high-pressure, high-stakes world of booth moppery and get into interstate drug trafficking the first thing I'd do is buy a mid-2000s beige full-size Buick, use the ODB-II to set a 67mph speed limit, festoon it with "I Brake For Quilting Bees" and "Ask Me About My Grandchildren" and "These Colors Don't Run" bumper stickers, have it fully inspected by a mechanic every month and then hire a retired couple who lost their pensions through their former employers' bankruptcy settlements to do my driving.

You wouldn't even have to build false bottoms or compartments into the car. You could put a giant Hamburger Shell carrier on the roof trailing a constant stream of white dust and cops wouldn't give the thing a second glance.


I have noticed that the poor bastards that tend to get caught don't make the best decisions.

It's the smart ones you never read about.
 
2014-04-06 10:52:28 AM  

El Pachuco: The Texas Department of Public Safety says 23-year-old Bianca Dinora Mendez was stopped for a traffic violation Thursday on Interstate 40.
Her vehicle was searched and seven bundles of heroin allegedly were found hidden in the seats. DPS says the drug is valued at $2.7 million.

Yeah, no.  Her vehicle was stopped totally by coinkydinks for a routine traffic violation and they opened up her seats?

The cops got info on her somehow through something that was a complete 4th Amendment violation, and backtracked a story to make up a reason for stopping and destructively searching her vehicle.


The info probably came from an informant, but yeah - not buying the line on the routine traffic stop either.
 
2014-04-06 10:52:42 AM  
Traffic violation = California plates, Latina driver.
 
2014-04-06 10:55:59 AM  

Destructor: Mr. Coffee Nerves: If I decided to leave the high-pressure, high-stakes world of booth moppery and get into interstate drug trafficking the first thing I'd do is buy a mid-2000s beige full-size Buick, use the ODB-II to set a 67mph speed limit, festoon it with "I Brake For Quilting Bees" and "Ask Me About My Grandchildren" and "These Colors Don't Run" bumper stickers, have it fully inspected by a mechanic every month and then hire a retired couple who lost their pensions through their former employers' bankruptcy settlements to do my driving.

You wouldn't even have to build false bottoms or compartments into the car. You could put a giant Hamburger Shell carrier on the roof trailing a constant stream of white dust and cops wouldn't give the thing a second glance.

I have noticed that the poor bastards that tend to get caught don't make the best decisions.

It's the smart ones you never read about.


I've always said, everyone should consider themselves damn lucky that the smartest of us haven't actually gone off and become supervillains - 'cause we'd be farking awesome at it.

/who blows up office buildings?
//strike at the heart of infrastructure
///duh
 
2014-04-06 10:57:47 AM  

El Pachuco: The Texas Department of Public Safety says 23-year-old Bianca Dinora Mendez was stopped for a traffic violation Thursday on Interstate 40.
Her vehicle was searched and seven bundles of heroin allegedly were found hidden in the seats. DPS says the drug is valued at $2.7 million.

Yeah, no.  Her vehicle was stopped totally by coinkydinks for a routine traffic violation and they opened up her seats?

The cops got info on her somehow through something that was a complete 4th Amendment violation, and backtracked a story to make up a reason for stopping and destructively searching her vehicle.


Judging by the names, she was your cousin huh?
 
2014-04-06 10:59:08 AM  

nicoffeine: Traffic violation = California plates, Latina driver.


Why does everyone dance around calling Mexicans, Mexicans.
 
2014-04-06 10:59:15 AM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: I've always said, everyone should consider themselves damn lucky that the smartest of us haven't actually gone off and become supervillains - 'cause we'd be farking awesome at it.

/who blows up office buildings?
//strike at the heart of infrastructure
///duh


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2014-04-06 11:03:34 AM  
Gentoolive


Cinco de Mayo?
 
2014-04-06 11:06:49 AM  
That kind of shiat happened all the time when I lived in NM. Dude would get pulled over for speeding drunk through a school zone in a busted ass car with no lights or tags and have 70lbs of weed in the trunk.
 
2014-04-06 11:10:13 AM  

Gentoolive: nicoffeine: Traffic violation = California plates, Latina driver.

Why does everyone dance around calling Mexicans, Mexicans.


1. Mexican is not an ethnic group.

2. Mexico is just one of many many nations with Latinos.

3. The US is also one of those nations, and the article says the woman was from Southern California, so it's quite possible she is American, and not Mexican, but still Latina.

Gentoolive: Judging by the names, she was your cousin huh?


That's your parents you're thinking of.
 
2014-04-06 11:15:25 AM  

Gentoolive: nicoffeine: Traffic violation = California plates, Latina driver.

Why does everyone dance around calling Mexicans, Mexicans.


Because a lot of the people you would call Mexicans are actually Honduran, Cuban, Nicaraguan, etc. Just because they live in the North American Southwest and have brown skin doesn't mean they are Mexican.

Ass.
 
2014-04-06 11:23:52 AM  

eldritch2k4: Gentoolive: nicoffeine: Traffic violation = California plates, Latina driver.

Why does everyone dance around calling Mexicans, Mexicans.

Because a lot of the people you would call Mexicans are actually Honduran, Cuban, Nicaraguan, etc. Just because they live in the North American Southwest and have brown skin doesn't mean they are Mexican.

Ass.


Also, just because someone is Mexican doesn't automatically make them Latino.
 
2014-04-06 11:27:37 AM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: eldritch2k4: Gentoolive: nicoffeine: Traffic violation = California plates, Latina driver.

Why does everyone dance around calling Mexicans, Mexicans.

Because a lot of the people you would call Mexicans are actually Honduran, Cuban, Nicaraguan, etc. Just because they live in the North American Southwest and have brown skin doesn't mean they are Mexican.

Ass.

Also, just because someone is Mexican doesn't automatically make them Latino.


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2014-04-06 11:31:51 AM  

nicoffeine: Traffic violation = California plates, Latina driver.


Nailed it.

Damn shame so much tax money is going to be wasted locking up some nobody for the next several decades.

I think legalizing that stuff would be far less damaging to society than locking up so many.
 
2014-04-06 11:36:16 AM  
FTA  "Jail records did not indicate an attorney for her."

I'll bet there's a cartel hit ready to go, though ..
 
2014-04-06 11:37:31 AM  
California to Oklahoma via Texas?

Women drivers...
 
2014-04-06 11:39:14 AM  

Molavian: California to Oklahoma via Texas?

Women drivers...


Driving through the panhandle on 40.
 
2014-04-06 11:43:43 AM  

Molavian: California to Oklahoma via Texas?

Women drivers...


How would you get there if not across the Texas panhandle?
Difficulty: Not many E-W roads in northern NM
 
2014-04-06 11:51:44 AM  

El Pachuco: The cops got info on her somehow through something that was a complete 4th Amendment violation, and backtracked a story to make up a reason for stopping and destructively searching her vehicle.


LAUGHTER OL someone does not know of the Whren decision I am seeing.
 
2014-04-06 12:22:18 PM  
Teacher sez, "Tell me again how the license plate scanners are going to make us all safer".

Little Johhnie pops up and sez, "The mules with chump change that the cartels sacrifice to "the Law" to make 'em look good, are much easier to find and cops won't stop the wrong car by accident and get hurt."
 
2014-04-06 12:33:05 PM  

nicoffeine: Traffic violation = California plates, Latina driver.


*Ding!*

She could have been some superhuman following every law to the letter driving a brand-new off the lot car and they would have made up a way to pull her over.  Some jerk cut you off to get to their exit = "Ma'am, you were following that Audi too closely, please step out of the car while I walk this dog around it"
 
2014-04-06 12:41:40 PM  
Driving out of Texas, though a bit farther to the South, see lots of DPS vehicles pulling over drivers, under the guise of routine traffic stops, to check for drugs. A few years back, chatted a DPS troop, and he said they don't really care about speeders, just looking for rugs. One time, I was not paying attention, going ab 20 mph over the limit, outside Ft. Stockton, saw a DPS, he paid me no mind, I was going the wrong way. I guess he's looking for drivers with drugs after they come in from Cucaracha land.
 
2014-04-06 12:44:37 PM  
You lost 2 mill in drugs? Best make out your Will. Your boss wont take oops for an answer.
 
2014-04-06 12:49:53 PM  
"coinkydinks"

Thank you, thank you so much
 
2014-04-06 01:39:33 PM  

El Pachuco: The Texas Department of Public Safety says 23-year-old Bianca Dinora Mendez was stopped for a traffic violation Thursday on Interstate 40.
Her vehicle was searched and seven bundles of heroin allegedly were found hidden in the seats. DPS says the drug is valued at $2.7 million.

Yeah, no.  Her vehicle was stopped totally by coinkydinks for a routine traffic violation and they opened up her seats?

The cops got info on her somehow through something that was a complete 4th Amendment violation, and backtracked a story to make up a reason for stopping and destructively searching her vehicle.


DPS catches them several times a week with their "routine traffic stop" line of bs. Especially west of Amarillo around Vega Tx and then the hot spot is around Claude/Conway Tx east thru Groom on to the highway 70 N/ Pampa Tx exit. Also around McClean Tx.

Carson Co. Sheriff's Office built an incredible jail facility and the impound lot. And we are talking about a rural Texas county.

/ any part of or tag is obscured, that's a violation.
//especially without of state tags.
///wonder how many it thru for every one caught
 
2014-04-06 01:49:06 PM  

Riche: nicoffeine: Traffic violation = California plates, Latina driver.

Nailed it.

Damn shame so much tax money is going to be wasted locking up some nobody for the next several decades.

I think legalizing that stuff would be far less damaging to society than locking up so many.


Heard on the local radio last week that in trial at Panhandle Tx (Carson County) that two girls who got caught with big haul received $5000 fine and 5 years probation each.

Now if you are a local and get caught for whatever, the old conservative farmers that tend to make up the population and thus the juries throw the book at you.

/lives one county over, not a criminal. Just saying
 
2014-04-06 01:54:08 PM  
Is the $2,700,000 'cop math' or does heroin sell for $180,000 a pound?

$11,250 an ounce, or almost $300.00 a gram?
 
2014-04-06 02:02:17 PM  
I wonder if the cartels load up a car with a few kilos of drugs and phone in the tipoff themselves, then while the police are tailing, searching, processing and celebrating a 15 pound haul the cartels send through a fully loaded car with 200kg of coke in the trunk?
 
2014-04-06 02:10:11 PM  
yeah, cops now turn every 'traffic violation' into an illegal search and seizure session.

'mind if we search your car?'  uh, yeah, i do, because that has nothing to do with the speed limit.
 
2014-04-06 02:24:17 PM  

bratface: Is the $2,700,000 'cop math' or does heroin sell for $180,000 a pound?

$11,250 an ounce, or almost $300.00 a gram?


Wow.  That's like printer ink or something.
 
2014-04-06 03:03:11 PM  

bratface: Is the $2,700,000 'cop math' or does heroin sell for $180,000 a pound?

$11,250 an ounce, or almost $300.00 a gram?


yes. raw dope gets cut A LOT before it reaches the user. for reasons of profit and not killing the consumer.
 
2014-04-06 03:14:21 PM  

nburghmatt: bratface: Is the $2,700,000 'cop math' or does heroin sell for $180,000 a pound?

$11,250 an ounce, or almost $300.00 a gram?

yes. raw dope gets cut A LOT before it reaches the user. for reasons of profit and not killing the consumer.


Doesn't say that it was uncut.
 
2014-04-06 03:22:06 PM  

bratface: nburghmatt: bratface: Is the $2,700,000 'cop math' or does heroin sell for $180,000 a pound?

$11,250 an ounce, or almost $300.00 a gram?

yes. raw dope gets cut A LOT before it reaches the user. for reasons of profit and not killing the consumer.

Doesn't say that it was uncut.


That would be horse of a different color.
 
2014-04-06 03:26:38 PM  

bratface: nburghmatt: bratface: Is the $2,700,000 'cop math' or does heroin sell for $180,000 a pound?

$11,250 an ounce, or almost $300.00 a gram?

yes. raw dope gets cut A LOT before it reaches the user. for reasons of profit and not killing the consumer.

Doesn't say that it was uncut.


it would be silly to inflate the stuff to that amount BEFORE moving it.
 
2014-04-06 03:36:42 PM  

nburghmatt: bratface: nburghmatt: bratface: Is the $2,700,000 'cop math' or does heroin sell for $180,000 a pound?

$11,250 an ounce, or almost $300.00 a gram?

yes. raw dope gets cut A LOT before it reaches the user. for reasons of profit and not killing the consumer.

Doesn't say that it was uncut.

it would be silly to inflate the stuff to that amount BEFORE moving it.


If I was sending a stalking horse, it would not be primo.
It would be any white powder that tests positive for opiate.
 
2014-04-06 03:59:00 PM  

snocone: nburghmatt: bratface: nburghmatt: bratface: Is the $2,700,000 'cop math' or does heroin sell for $180,000 a pound?

$11,250 an ounce, or almost $300.00 a gram?

yes. raw dope gets cut A LOT before it reaches the user. for reasons of profit and not killing the consumer.

Doesn't say that it was uncut.

it would be silly to inflate the stuff to that amount BEFORE moving it.

If I was sending a stalking horse, it would not be primo.
It would be any white powder that tests positive for opiate.


stalking horse?
 
2014-04-06 04:08:33 PM  
i get it. a decoy. 15lb is a bit much for a decoy, wouldn't you say?
 
2014-04-06 05:14:52 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: If I decided to leave the high-pressure, high-stakes world of booth moppery and get into interstate drug trafficking the first thing I'd do is buy a mid-2000s beige full-size Buick, use the ODB-II to set a 67mph speed limit, festoon it with "I Brake For Quilting Bees" and "Ask Me About My Grandchildren" and "These Colors Don't Run" bumper stickers, have it fully inspected by a mechanic every month and then hire a retired couple who lost their pensions through their former employers' bankruptcy settlements to do my driving.

You wouldn't even have to build false bottoms or compartments into the car. You could put a giant Hamburger Shell carrier on the roof trailing a constant stream of white dust and cops wouldn't give the thing a second glance.


I was skeptical because of your caffeine jitters, until I hit the part about the old couple - that is one of the greatest business plans of all time, sir. Tho I would rather shoot you than see it be heroin, I just pretended it was about top shelf weed. But the need for that is slowly fading away, isn't it?
 
2014-04-06 05:27:20 PM  

nburghmatt: i get it. a decoy. 15lb is a bit much for a decoy, wouldn't you say?


Depends on what it actually is.
 
2014-04-06 05:57:21 PM  

Riche: nicoffeine: Traffic violation = California plates, Latina driver.

Nailed it.

Damn shame so much tax money is going to be wasted locking up some nobody for the next several decades.

I think legalizing that stuff would be far less damaging to society than locking up so many.


I'm all for weed but....

I know soooo many people who are recovering addicts with all the health problems, disorders, ruined relationships that go along with that....heroin.

By the time I was 17, between my neighborhood and school, I knew 17 people personally between 16-30 who were dead from overdoses. These were decent blue collar neighborhoods, and most weren't addicts. That f*ckin' China White has been a cyclical devestation for a looong time. At least now the word gets out real fast. Back then too many medical folk went along with parents to make the cause of death a brain anyurism, fake accident, drowning etc to "save face?" That little bit of false pride caused many other parents the same fate.
Glad I haven't seen anyone I know ddoing it for many years, but the whole scenerio of it hasn't faded an iota.
Stupidity is rarely the reason for overdoses, it's the unexpectedly 20x more purity that does it. Thing is if you don't get charged more....
 
2014-04-06 06:05:33 PM  

bratface: Is the $2,700,000 'cop math' or does heroin sell for $180,000 a pound?

$11,250 an ounce, or almost $300.00 a gram?


There is always crazy cop math, but they might be going by purity tho ignoring THAT will not be sold by the gram. If that's for one distributor, and most likely is, he's not paying small pack street prices. They should just say "with a profit margin of", but hey, they're cops, with a much-loved way of doing financial analysis.
 
2014-04-06 06:33:18 PM  

lindalouwho: Riche: nicoffeine: Traffic violation = California plates, Latina driver.

Nailed it.

Damn shame so much tax money is going to be wasted locking up some nobody for the next several decades.

I think legalizing that stuff would be far less damaging to society than locking up so many.

I'm all for weed but....

I know soooo many people who are recovering addicts with all the health problems, disorders, ruined relationships that go along with that....heroin.

By the time I was 17, between my neighborhood and school, I knew 17 people personally between 16-30 who were dead from overdoses. These were decent blue collar neighborhoods, and most weren't addicts. That f*ckin' China White has been a cyclical devestation for a looong time. At least now the word gets out real fast. Back then too many medical folk went along with parents to make the cause of death a brain anyurism, fake accident, drowning etc to "save face?" That little bit of false pride caused many other parents the same fate.
Glad I haven't seen anyone I know ddoing it for many years, but the whole scenerio of it hasn't faded an iota.
Stupidity is rarely the reason for overdoses, it's the unexpectedly 20x more purity that does it. Thing is if you don't get charged more....


Actually, it is Fentanyl these days, purity has been good for decades.
But, do ramble on.
 
2014-04-06 06:45:07 PM  

snocone: lindalouwho: Riche: nicoffeine: Traffic violation = California plates, Latina driver.

Nailed it.

Damn shame so much tax money is going to be wasted locking up some nobody for the next several decades.

I think legalizing that stuff would be far less damaging to society than locking up so many.

I'm all for weed but....

I know soooo many people who are recovering addicts with all the health problems, disorders, ruined relationships that go along with that....heroin.

By the time I was 17, between my neighborhood and school, I knew 17 people personally between 16-30 who were dead from overdoses. These were decent blue collar neighborhoods, and most weren't addicts. That f*ckin' China White has been a cyclical devestation for a looong time. At least now the word gets out real fast. Back then too many medical folk went along with parents to make the cause of death a brain anyurism, fake accident, drowning etc to "save face?" That little bit of false pride caused many other parents the same fate.
Glad I haven't seen anyone I know ddoing it for many years, but the whole scenerio of it hasn't faded an iota.
Stupidity is rarely the reason for overdoses, it's the unexpectedly 20x more purity that does it. Thing is if you don't get charged more....

Actually, it is Fentanyl these days, purity has been good for decades.
But, do ramble on.


It's many nasty things. Ands fark you if you want to pretend this doesn't happen, and fark you with razors if it doesn't matter to you. Ass.
 
2014-04-06 07:18:40 PM  

lindalouwho: Riche: nicoffeine: Traffic violation = California plates, Latina driver.

Nailed it.

Damn shame so much tax money is going to be wasted locking up some nobody for the next several decades.

I think legalizing that stuff would be far less damaging to society than locking up so many.

I'm all for weed but....

I know soooo many people who are recovering addicts with all the health problems, disorders, ruined relationships that go along with that....heroin.

By the time I was 17, between my neighborhood and school, I knew 17 people personally between 16-30 who were dead from overdoses. These were decent blue collar neighborhoods, and most weren't addicts. That f*ckin' China White has been a cyclical devestation for a looong time. At least now the word gets out real fast. Back then too many medical folk went along with parents to make the cause of death a brain anyurism, fake accident, drowning etc to "save face?" That little bit of false pride caused many other parents the same fate.
Glad I haven't seen anyone I know ddoing it for many years, but the whole scenerio of it hasn't faded an iota.
Stupidity is rarely the reason for overdoses, it's the unexpectedly 20x more purity that does it. Thing is if you don't get charged more....


Yeah, legalizing that shiat would be HORRIBLE indeed...

...but would it be as horrible as "the land of the free" locking up more people than ANY other nation in the world, even the repressive ones with much larger populations?

Hell, if we spent a fraction of the money on ACCURATE education and treatment that we do on the drug war the # of heroin deaths may actually go down, even if it was legal. Maybe. I hope.
 
2014-04-06 07:31:23 PM  

Riche: lindalouwho: Riche: nicoffeine: Traffic violation = California plates, Latina driver.

Nailed it.

Damn shame so much tax money is going to be wasted locking up some nobody for the next several decades.

I think legalizing that stuff would be far less damaging to society than locking up so many.

I'm all for weed but....

I know soooo many people who are recovering addicts with all the health problems, disorders, ruined relationships that go along with that....heroin.

By the time I was 17, between my neighborhood and school, I knew 17 people personally between 16-30 who were dead from overdoses. These were decent blue collar neighborhoods, and most weren't addicts. That f*ckin' China White has been a cyclical devestation for a looong time. At least now the word gets out real fast. Back then too many medical folk went along with parents to make the cause of death a brain anyurism, fake accident, drowning etc to "save face?" That little bit of false pride caused many other parents the same fate.
Glad I haven't seen anyone I know ddoing it for many years, but the whole scenerio of it hasn't faded an iota.
Stupidity is rarely the reason for overdoses, it's the unexpectedly 20x more purity that does it. Thing is if you don't get charged more....

Yeah, legalizing that shiat would be HORRIBLE indeed...

...but would it be as horrible as "the land of the free" locking up more people than ANY other nation in the world, even the repressive ones with much larger populations?

Hell, if we spent a fraction of the money on ACCURATE education and treatment that we do on the drug war the # of heroin deaths may actually go down, even if it was legal. Maybe. I hope.


This truely is a tough one. Weed doesn't have the same ramifications. At.All.

I do agree we are handling this, well, not handling this, in an almost barbaric way. The infrastructure of such magnitude is admittedly way beyond me. I always consider solid ideas wheni see em', but they are always ideas. Some good, but bricks not walls.
 
2014-04-06 07:41:56 PM  

lindalouwho: Riche: lindalouwho: Riche: nicoffeine: Traffic violation = California plates, Latina driver.

Nailed it.

Damn shame so much tax money is going to be wasted locking up some nobody for the next several decades.

I think legalizing that stuff would be far less damaging to society than locking up so many.

I'm all for weed but....

I know soooo many people who are recovering addicts with all the health problems, disorders, ruined relationships that go along with that....heroin.

By the time I was 17, between my neighborhood and school, I knew 17 people personally between 16-30 who were dead from overdoses. These were decent blue collar neighborhoods, and most weren't addicts. That f*ckin' China White has been a cyclical devestation for a looong time. At least now the word gets out real fast. Back then too many medical folk went along with parents to make the cause of death a brain anyurism, fake accident, drowning etc to "save face?" That little bit of false pride caused many other parents the same fate.
Glad I haven't seen anyone I know ddoing it for many years, but the whole scenerio of it hasn't faded an iota.
Stupidity is rarely the reason for overdoses, it's the unexpectedly 20x more purity that does it. Thing is if you don't get charged more....

Yeah, legalizing that shiat would be HORRIBLE indeed...

...but would it be as horrible as "the land of the free" locking up more people than ANY other nation in the world, even the repressive ones with much larger populations?

Hell, if we spent a fraction of the money on ACCURATE education and treatment that we do on the drug war the # of heroin deaths may actually go down, even if it was legal. Maybe. I hope.

This truely is a tough one. Weed doesn't have the same ramifications. At.All.

I do agree we are handling this, well, not handling this, in an almost barbaric way. The infrastructure of such magnitude is admittedly way beyond me. I always consider solid ideas wheni see em', but they are always ideas. Some good, but bricks not walls.


Forgot this:

I see you know deep down....education? Not many pages in that book. People mostly do it because they want to. Get high, not become an addict. They know the score but the denial, oh it is dense and powerful "I'm gonna pretend it won't happen to me even after 2yrs, 6x a day." If everyone had groups of great friends, less would succumb. No fix for that- group chats aren't real life, polite some, they don't love ya tho.
Nice to see your level of thought and compassion tho, keeps me hopeful.
 
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