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(AP)   Dumb: Taking a 1 year-old on a sailboat in an attempt to circumnavigate the globe. Dumber: Taking her even though she was sick before you left. Fark: Spending money rescuing these people   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 151
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2014-04-06 12:44:13 AM  
FTA: "They were not going into this blind. I knew they were doing this wisely," English said. That man has to be an idiot from the information in the article. Going on a long distance  south pacific sail with no backup communications, no repair equipment for steering, no basic water or hull repair, and bad sails. The people should be happy they did not kill the children, Things go wrong at sea but that is the reason for backup or repair for all survival type systems; not taking small children and just hoping for the best.
 
2014-04-06 01:14:50 AM  
Before the family left, Lyra had salmonella poisoning, but doctors cleared her to travel after she was healthy again

Everything eurotrader points out is salient, but salmonella poisoning is not exactly an illness AFTER YOU'VE RECOVERED FROM IT, subby.

Sounds like she came down with chicken pox, really. It's a virus, so antibiotics won't help.

"The early (prodromal) symptoms in adolescents and adults are nausea, loss of appetite, aching muscles, and headache. This is followed by the characteristic rash and/or oral sores, malaise, and a low-grade fever that signal the presence of the disease. Oral manifestations of the disease (enanthem) not uncommonly may precede the external rash (exanthem). In children the illness is not usually preceded by prodromal symptoms

Commonly, visible evidence of the disease develops in the oral cavity & tonsil areas in the form of small ulcers which can be painful or itchy or both; this enanthem (internal rash) can precede the exanthem (external rash) by 1 to 3 days or can be concurrent. These symptoms of chickenpox appear 10 to 21 days after exposure to a contagious person."

That or it's the beginning of the next great round of smallpox.
 
2014-04-06 01:18:22 AM  
www.wearysloth.com
 
2014-04-06 08:29:23 AM  
Maybe they're just Darwinists and they were testing her to see if she should survive to reproduce.
 
2014-04-06 08:34:45 AM  

doglover: Before the family left, Lyra had salmonella poisoning, but doctors cleared her to travel after she was healthy again

Everything eurotrader points out is salient, but salmonella poisoning is not exactly an illness AFTER YOU'VE RECOVERED FROM IT, subby.

Sounds like she came down with chicken pox, really. It's a virus, so antibiotics won't help.

"The early (prodromal) symptoms in adolescents and adults are nausea, loss of appetite, aching muscles, and headache. This is followed by the characteristic rash and/or oral sores, malaise, and a low-grade fever that signal the presence of the disease. Oral manifestations of the disease (enanthem) not uncommonly may precede the external rash (exanthem). In children the illness is not usually preceded by prodromal symptoms

Commonly, visible evidence of the disease develops in the oral cavity & tonsil areas in the form of small ulcers which can be painful or itchy or both; this enanthem (internal rash) can precede the exanthem (external rash) by 1 to 3 days or can be concurrent. These symptoms of chickenpox appear 10 to 21 days after exposure to a contagious person."

That or it's the beginning of the next great round of smallpox.


I'll give you even odds that they are anti-vaxxers.
 
2014-04-06 08:36:05 AM  

doglover: Before the family left, Lyra had salmonella poisoning, but doctors cleared her to travel after she was healthy again

Everything eurotrader points out is salient, but salmonella poisoning is not exactly an illness AFTER YOU'VE RECOVERED FROM IT, subby.

Sounds like she came down with chicken pox, really. It's a virus, so antibiotics won't help.

"The early (prodromal) symptoms in adolescents and adults are nausea, loss of appetite, aching muscles, and headache. This is followed by the characteristic rash and/or oral sores, malaise, and a low-grade fever that signal the presence of the disease. Oral manifestations of the disease (enanthem) not uncommonly may precede the external rash (exanthem). In children the illness is not usually preceded by prodromal symptoms

Commonly, visible evidence of the disease develops in the oral cavity & tonsil areas in the form of small ulcers which can be painful or itchy or both; this enanthem (internal rash) can precede the exanthem (external rash) by 1 to 3 days or can be concurrent. These symptoms of chickenpox appear 10 to 21 days after exposure to a contagious person."

That or it's the beginning of the next great round of smallpox.


Whatever the reason for the child's illness, they're going to get plenty of criticism.
Why don't they have steering or communications?
 
GBB
2014-04-06 08:36:11 AM  
Save the 1 and 3 year old, then leave the parents out to sea.
 
2014-04-06 08:37:05 AM  
The baby didn't do anything wrong.
 
2014-04-06 08:38:13 AM  

GBB: Save the 1 and 3 year old, then leave the parents out to sea.


That's what I was thinking.
 
2014-04-06 08:39:00 AM  

FrancoFile: doglover: Before the family left, Lyra had salmonella poisoning, but doctors cleared her to travel after she was healthy again

Everything eurotrader points out is salient, but salmonella poisoning is not exactly an illness AFTER YOU'VE RECOVERED FROM IT, subby.

Sounds like she came down with chicken pox, really. It's a virus, so antibiotics won't help.

"The early (prodromal) symptoms in adolescents and adults are nausea, loss of appetite, aching muscles, and headache. This is followed by the characteristic rash and/or oral sores, malaise, and a low-grade fever that signal the presence of the disease. Oral manifestations of the disease (enanthem) not uncommonly may precede the external rash (exanthem). In children the illness is not usually preceded by prodromal symptoms

Commonly, visible evidence of the disease develops in the oral cavity & tonsil areas in the form of small ulcers which can be painful or itchy or both; this enanthem (internal rash) can precede the exanthem (external rash) by 1 to 3 days or can be concurrent. These symptoms of chickenpox appear 10 to 21 days after exposure to a contagious person."

That or it's the beginning of the next great round of smallpox.

I'll give you even odds that they are anti-vaxxers.


I wondered about that as well.
 
2014-04-06 08:39:48 AM  
Hmm...little more going on here, both for and against the parents:

"the sailboat, which does not have steering or communication abilities"  Yeah...that's, um...kind of a big deal.

And also "doctors cleared the kid before they sailed".  So, there's that...

Plus the boat takes on water when they start the engine...
 
2014-04-06 08:40:16 AM  
Yes because this is all the one-year-old's fault.

You're an idiot, submitter

/Please go DIAF
 
2014-04-06 08:40:47 AM  

Baz744: The baby didn't do anything wrong.


Well, it did choose idiots for parents. Still, it could have done worse. It could have chosen poor parents.
 
2014-04-06 08:43:02 AM  

GBB: Save the 1 and 3 year old, then leave the parents out to sea.


Came in here to say this.
 
2014-04-06 08:43:48 AM  
Isn't it just really expensive-yet-real-world training? After all, nobody would care if the kid died because the parents are the dumbasses that really killed her.
 
2014-04-06 08:43:52 AM  
The cruising forums are full of debates like this.  There are a lot of people who want the freedom of the open seas, who claim they don't need the safety net of civilization, or even of a modern sailboat and communications.  They'll take their chances, they know what they're getting into!

Yet, they all manage to tie up expensive/risky rescue services when things hit the fan.

/Trash headline, the medical clearance (if true) was probably the only thing these people did right.
 
2014-04-06 08:47:51 AM  

squidloe: GBB: Save the 1 and 3 year old, then leave the parents out to sea.

Came in here to say this.


My only problem with this is that the next parents who take their 1yo out to see with them may remember that and skip the part about asking for help when needed.  However, it could also maybe deter them from bringing the 1yo with them all together (which would obviously be better). And as  Baz744 said, "The baby didn't do anything wrong"
 
2014-04-06 08:48:36 AM  
"English said she was told the vessel took on water every time the motor was turned on. It's now slowly moving using only the sails."

Its a farking sailboat.  Motors on them dont exactly move them out like a cigarette boat.
 
2014-04-06 08:49:02 AM  

FrancoFile: doglover: Before the family left, Lyra had salmonella poisoning, but doctors cleared her to travel after she was healthy again

Everything eurotrader points out is salient, but salmonella poisoning is not exactly an illness AFTER YOU'VE RECOVERED FROM IT, subby.

Sounds like she came down with chicken pox, really. It's a virus, so antibiotics won't help.

"The early (prodromal) symptoms in adolescents and adults are nausea, loss of appetite, aching muscles, and headache. This is followed by the characteristic rash and/or oral sores, malaise, and a low-grade fever that signal the presence of the disease. Oral manifestations of the disease (enanthem) not uncommonly may precede the external rash (exanthem). In children the illness is not usually preceded by prodromal symptoms

Commonly, visible evidence of the disease develops in the oral cavity & tonsil areas in the form of small ulcers which can be painful or itchy or both; this enanthem (internal rash) can precede the exanthem (external rash) by 1 to 3 days or can be concurrent. These symptoms of chickenpox appear 10 to 21 days after exposure to a contagious person."

That or it's the beginning of the next great round of smallpox.

I'll give you even odds that they are anti-vaxxers.


Maybe. They have a website:

http://www.therebelheart.com/
 
2014-04-06 08:50:33 AM  
No steering? Even a Laser class boat has a rudder. You can't tack properly without one...

Oh...
 
2014-04-06 08:52:22 AM  
Do they get billed for the rescue or is it a taxpayer expense?
 
2014-04-06 08:55:05 AM  
So what do they do with the boat?  I doubt they can tow it, because presumably the ship will be speeding to the nearest hospital and I doubt it could take it (I could be wrong).

Or, will the Navy leave a few guys on board to repair and sail it back to port?

Or are they going to leave it there and if so, maybe I could salvage it.
 
2014-04-06 08:57:01 AM  
Terrible parents. And they should be charged the full cost of rescue efforts. You don't try to reenact Magellan's circumnavigation with a one year old. You just don't.
 
2014-04-06 08:57:07 AM  
good lookin milf there though.
 
2014-04-06 08:58:06 AM  
Live-aboard cruider sailbum? Cool.
Kids? Stop it.
 
2014-04-06 08:58:18 AM  
the sailboat, which does not have steering or communication abilities

why would you try to go around the world on a boat like that?
 
2014-04-06 08:58:47 AM  
Wow, they even had some PJs jump in to provide medical assistance.  I'll bet they're digging this mission.  Seriously, it must be a nice change of pace from what they're used to. Of course, they're probably sick of that sailboat by now and are happy to see the Navy.

Good stuff, though - nice to see the military do these missions.
 
2014-04-06 09:01:49 AM  
Save the kids.  This for the parents:

i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-06 09:02:06 AM  
Looking at the specs for a 36' Hans Christian sailboat, it most certainly is supposed to have a rudder. Maybe genius parents don't know where it is, or didn't check that option box when buying the boat?
 
2014-04-06 09:02:43 AM  
All is lost.
 
2014-04-06 09:03:27 AM  

mr_fulano: Looking at the specs for a 36' Hans Christian sailboat, it most certainly is supposed to have a rudder. Maybe genius parents don't know where it is, or didn't check that option box when buying the boat?


It was in dutch.
 
2014-04-06 09:03:38 AM  

MFAWG: FrancoFile: doglover: Before the family left, Lyra had salmonella poisoning, but doctors cleared her to travel after she was healthy again

Everything eurotrader points out is salient, but salmonella poisoning is not exactly an illness AFTER YOU'VE RECOVERED FROM IT, subby.

Sounds like she came down with chicken pox, really. It's a virus, so antibiotics won't help.

"The early (prodromal) symptoms in adolescents and adults are nausea, loss of appetite, aching muscles, and headache. This is followed by the characteristic rash and/or oral sores, malaise, and a low-grade fever that signal the presence of the disease. Oral manifestations of the disease (enanthem) not uncommonly may precede the external rash (exanthem). In children the illness is not usually preceded by prodromal symptoms

Commonly, visible evidence of the disease develops in the oral cavity & tonsil areas in the form of small ulcers which can be painful or itchy or both; this enanthem (internal rash) can precede the exanthem (external rash) by 1 to 3 days or can be concurrent. These symptoms of chickenpox appear 10 to 21 days after exposure to a contagious person."

That or it's the beginning of the next great round of smallpox.

I'll give you even odds that they are anti-vaxxers.

Maybe. They have a website:

http://www.therebelheart.com/


They may be crazy for a number of reasons, but they fully vaccinate their children. There's an entire post on it.
 
2014-04-06 09:03:50 AM  

minuslars: good lookin milf there though.


Nursing boobies!
 
2014-04-06 09:03:52 AM  
So when did becoming a parent meant that you never hire a baby sitter or leave the baby with a trusted adult? This was like last night there was group of 5 dumb asses who thought it was a good idea to bring a 2 month old baby to watch Captain America. You get a baby sitter dumb ass!
 
2014-04-06 09:03:54 AM  

gfid: So what do they do with the boat? I doubt they can tow it, because presumably the ship will be speeding to the nearest hospital and I doubt it could take it (I could be wrong).

Or, will the Navy leave a few guys on board to repair and sail it back to port?


Good question.  As far as the child, a flight surgeon will determine if a medevac via helo is possible and, if so, necessary.  Otherwise, yeah - the ship will likely start heading for shore.

I suppose the engineers on the ship can try fix the engine issues if they're not too serious...  if not, they'll probably just leave it and the owners will be on the hook for its salvage.
 
2014-04-06 09:04:21 AM  

MFAWG: FrancoFile: doglover: Before the family left, Lyra had salmonella poisoning, but doctors cleared her to travel after she was healthy again

Everything eurotrader points out is salient, but salmonella poisoning is not exactly an illness AFTER YOU'VE RECOVERED FROM IT, subby.

Sounds like she came down with chicken pox, really. It's a virus, so antibiotics won't help.

"The early (prodromal) symptoms in adolescents and adults are nausea, loss of appetite, aching muscles, and headache. This is followed by the characteristic rash and/or oral sores, malaise, and a low-grade fever that signal the presence of the disease. Oral manifestations of the disease (enanthem) not uncommonly may precede the external rash (exanthem). In children the illness is not usually preceded by prodromal symptoms

Commonly, visible evidence of the disease develops in the oral cavity & tonsil areas in the form of small ulcers which can be painful or itchy or both; this enanthem (internal rash) can precede the exanthem (external rash) by 1 to 3 days or can be concurrent. These symptoms of chickenpox appear 10 to 21 days after exposure to a contagious person."

That or it's the beginning of the next great round of smallpox.

I'll give you even odds that they are anti-vaxxers.

Maybe. They have a website:

http://www.therebelheart.com/


Did a search of her blog.  They follow the CDC schedule.  So that's one point in the 'not morans' column.
 
2014-04-06 09:05:21 AM  

Fano: mr_fulano: Looking at the specs for a 36' Hans Christian sailboat, it most certainly is supposed to have a rudder. Maybe genius parents don't know where it is, or didn't check that option box when buying the boat?

It was in dutch.


More likely Chinese. Some are built in Taiwan.
 
2014-04-06 09:08:09 AM  

lifeboat: Wow, they even had some PJs jump in to provide medical assistance.  I'll bet they're digging this mission.  Seriously, it must be a nice change of pace from what they're used to. Of course, they're probably sick of that sailboat by now and are happy to see the Navy.

Good stuff, though - nice to see the military do these missions.


PJ training is some of the craziest in the military.

All respect to those guys.

Oh and the parents in TFA are pants-on-head retarded.
 
2014-04-06 09:09:39 AM  

MFAWG: FrancoFile: doglover: Before the family left, Lyra had salmonella poisoning, but doctors cleared her to travel after she was healthy again

Everything eurotrader points out is salient, but salmonella poisoning is not exactly an illness AFTER YOU'VE RECOVERED FROM IT, subby.

Sounds like she came down with chicken pox, really. It's a virus, so antibiotics won't help.

"The early (prodromal) symptoms in adolescents and adults are nausea, loss of appetite, aching muscles, and headache. This is followed by the characteristic rash and/or oral sores, malaise, and a low-grade fever that signal the presence of the disease. Oral manifestations of the disease (enanthem) not uncommonly may precede the external rash (exanthem). In children the illness is not usually preceded by prodromal symptoms

Commonly, visible evidence of the disease develops in the oral cavity & tonsil areas in the form of small ulcers which can be painful or itchy or both; this enanthem (internal rash) can precede the exanthem (external rash) by 1 to 3 days or can be concurrent. These symptoms of chickenpox appear 10 to 21 days after exposure to a contagious person."

That or it's the beginning of the next great round of smallpox.

I'll give you even odds that they are anti-vaxxers.

Maybe. They have a website:

http://www.therebelheart.com/


Nope, they are all about vaccinations.

http://www.therebelheart.com/charlottes-blog/2013/10/5/vaccinating-y ou r-baby-in-mexico-vaccines-in-mexico.html
 
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2014-04-06 09:12:10 AM  
Popcorn.jpg
 
2014-04-06 09:13:21 AM  

gfid: Or, will the Navy leave a few guys on board to repair and sail it back to port?


Forgot to add above... this option will almost certainly not happen.  While the 'prize crew' option does happen on occasion when conditions allow, in this case it would simply not be worth the risk given the distance offshore and the fact that the boat is already somewhat seaworthy.  No CO in their right mind would leave crew members behind in this situation.
 
2014-04-06 09:15:25 AM  

mr_fulano: No steering? Even a Laser class boat has a rudder. You can't tack properly without one...

Oh...


they did, but the motor caused water to come into the boat.  I imagine the lack of a motor cuased the batteries to die, thus rendering the communications system useless.  However,they were able to send a gps ping. did you read the article? or just complaining?
 
2014-04-06 09:15:50 AM  
All Is Lost Part 2: Electric Baby Boogaloo!
 
2014-04-06 09:16:51 AM  
ecx.images-amazon.com

my favorite book as a kid. amazing story and well worth a read.
 
2014-04-06 09:17:53 AM  
Why the fark would anyone think bringing a 1 yr old and a 3 yr old (regardless of health) on a sailing trip around the world is a good idea?

A day on a sailboat? Sure, go nuts. But maybe wait until the kids are teenagers (and can both appreciate the experience and help out on the boat) to undertake a huge trip like this, morons.

Hell, even taking a 1 and 3 year old to the mall for a few hours is an ordeal, ffs!
 
2014-04-06 09:18:42 AM  

darch: lifeboat: Wow, they even had some PJs jump in to provide medical assistance.  I'll bet they're digging this mission.  Seriously, it must be a nice change of pace from what they're used to. Of course, they're probably sick of that sailboat by now and are happy to see the Navy.

Good stuff, though - nice to see the military do these missions.

PJ training is some of the craziest in the military.

All respect to those guys.


Yup.  Those boys are bad-ass.  Sebastian Junger's book The Perfect Storm provides an excellent account of what the PJs are all about.  The lost one of their own that night.  If you haven't read it, I'd highly recommend it.

(The movie is total garbage compared to the book and they really missed an opportunity there. They only needed to stay somewhat true to the book, but they didn't)
 
2014-04-06 09:19:40 AM  
I probably wouldn't have done this, but it must feel pretty good to be those guys parachuting in to help someone - real world exercise and all.   And yeah, this probably came at an unfathomable cost, but it's not like it wasn't a sunk cost anyway - not like that frigate was tied up in port until this happened.

I don't feel too annoyed about this after reading all of it.
 
2014-04-06 09:19:56 AM  
From Mommy's blog:

"I made cake last night, in force five conditions....  When Cora woke up this morning she asked for some of the treat I was making last night because she had smelled it baking as she fell asleep. I lied and told her we ate it up; all the while, the rest of the cake sat on the counter by the dish rack, just waiting for Eric and I to devour it this evening with a cup of coffee, in silence, once the girls were asleep. Sorry for lying to you, Cora. One day, when you are a parent, you will understand. Please know, if you ever read this, I did give you FIVE gumdrops as a conciliatory offer."

I had to read this twice. You made a cake and you lied to your kid so you could eat it yourself? Your kid who even smelled it baking and remembered the good smell the next morning?

Everything in this whole episode screams "narcissists" but this passage proves it beyond all doubt.
 
2014-04-06 09:20:52 AM  
The transfer of the child from the 36-foot boat to the ship was expected to start around dawn,

And it could be an all day procedure.  We've prepared an animated to show you what is likely to happen during the first few hours of the child transfer process.

Dumb: Taking a 1 year-old on a sailboat in an attempt to circumnavigate the globe. Dumber: Taking her even though she was sick before you left. Fark: Spending money rescuing these people

Because subby knows the proper way of tackling a global circumnavigation project even though we get real proud if he just manages to get his ass off the sofa.
 
2014-04-06 09:23:17 AM  

mr_fulano: Fano: mr_fulano: Looking at the specs for a 36' Hans Christian sailboat, it most certainly is supposed to have a rudder. Maybe genius parents don't know where it is, or didn't check that option box when buying the boat?

It was in dutch.

More likely Chinese. Some are built in Taiwan.


Whoooooosh
 
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