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2014-04-05 07:29:41 PM
Noting that his kids had previously received something about a Halloween event at a church, he said he is worried that Christians are trying to convert Muslim kids through propaganda distributed at public schools.

Uptight fundies aren't fond of Halloween, either. Maybe you guys should get together and talk.
 
2014-04-05 07:38:02 PM
FTFA: "It really bothered my two kids," parent Majed Moughni told the Free Press. "My son was like, 'Dad, I really don't feel comfortable getting these flyers, telling me to go to church. I thought churches are not supposed to mix with schools."

Perhaps its a stretch for the Daily Caller and its regular readers, but the issue is enticing kids to come to churches through distributing literature in public schools. The Easter Bunny is not the issue here. The parents have a point. I wouldn't want my kids getting church or mosque or synagogue advertisements through school flyers. And I doubt devoted Christian parents would want their kids getting flyers inviting them to 'secure their free spot' at the local Sikh or Hindu temple for an Easter Egg/Candy Hunt, either.
 
2014-04-05 07:49:20 PM
It's so perfect that a second rate has been search engine is also a vomiter of right wing propaganda. That goes together like pb and j.
 
2014-04-05 08:00:28 PM

Headso: It's so perfect that a second rate has been search engine is also a vomiter of right wing propaganda. That goes together like pb and j.


Dammit, I missed the Daily Caller logo. That's some dirty pool, Yahoo.

Detroit Free Press link.
 
2014-04-05 08:29:59 PM
Obviously, the only people that can voice concern about religious organizations intruding into the public sphere under the aegis of the government are Christians. Only they are truly aggrieved by these type of things.
 
2014-04-05 08:51:31 PM
Maybe they did mean it in the spirit of community and they weren't trying to drag people to an actual church event. But for future reference...neutral territory is the way to go. A local public park or community center. Maybe work with a local community group or the city even.
 
2014-04-05 08:57:33 PM
They're pushing Catechismic law!
 
2014-04-05 09:03:01 PM
Schools distribute church flyers?
 
2014-04-05 09:03:45 PM
well it beats being recruited through threat of beheading

dnrtfa
 
2014-04-05 09:04:29 PM
Heh, the Obama picture is a nice touch.
I'm surprised Dearborn has any non-Muslims left in it, although I guess they could be missionaries
 
2014-04-05 09:04:33 PM
I find it interesting how churches do Easter egg hunts at all, considering that's part of the secular version of the holiday.
 
2014-04-05 09:05:03 PM

Dinki: Obviously, the only people that can voice concern about religious organizations intruding into the public sphere under the aegis of the government are Christians. Only they are truly aggrieved by these type of things.


I've been given to understand only Christians are TRULY being oppressed in America these days.
 
2014-04-05 09:07:06 PM
fark you for the disguised Daily Caller link, subtard.
 
2014-04-05 09:07:32 PM
Little do they know that the eggbunny god is reviving delightful paganism!

Fertility! Chocolate! Hiding stuff! It's the fun religion!
 
2014-04-05 09:07:46 PM
WTF is some local church doing handing out it's crap in a public school?
 
2014-04-05 09:08:13 PM
Why the unlikely tag?
 
2014-04-05 09:08:15 PM
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2014-04-05 09:08:31 PM

EmmaLou: I find it interesting how churches do Easter egg hunts at all, considering that's part of the secular version of the holiday.


If you can trick the kids early with fun activities then it is easier for the brainwashing to take hold and last.
 
2014-04-05 09:10:19 PM

Tellingthem: Maybe they did mean it in the spirit of community and they weren't trying to drag people to an actual church event. But for future reference...neutral territory is the way to go. A local public park or community center. Maybe work with a local community group or the city even.


A town here in Ohio had Jewish parents angry due to town property being used for an Easter egg hunt: Easter is a "Christian" holiday, even when the bunny and egg version is celebrated.

And then you have the parents who want eggs to be filled with things that are not candy or candy without specific dyes due to their child's sensitivities.

Adults have a way of standing in the way of a lot of childhood fun.
 
2014-04-05 09:11:27 PM

Tellingthem: Maybe they did mean it in the spirit of community and they weren't trying to drag people to an actual church event. But for future reference...neutral territory is the way to go. A local public park or community center. Maybe work with a local community group or the city even.


I was going to say this.  Undies would be super bunched if the religion was different.  Its a valid complaint, even if the dad is being an AH saying that his kids were bothered by it
 
2014-04-05 09:12:10 PM

Empty H: EmmaLou: I find it interesting how churches do Easter egg hunts at all, considering that's part of the secular version of the holiday.

If you can trick the kids early with fun activities then it is easier for the brainwashing to take hold and last.


In many cases. Then there were kids like me who were all "Thanks for the candy, keep the mythology!"

/I sound fat
 
2014-04-05 09:12:58 PM

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A rabbit will hump anything.
 
2014-04-05 09:14:24 PM
Lincoln logs in their sock drawer.....
 
2014-04-05 09:14:28 PM

jaytkay: Schools distribute church flyers?


I think they were distributed at the school, not by the school.

I can't imagine the outrage we'd have around here if some Xian parents' kids came home with Muslim anything, though.  We've got a damned federal case going on because some snowflake says she was told to stop praying at lunch.  Never mind that no one whatsoever can corroborate this, or that the school apologized and has addressed the issue to all faculty, or that her father just so happens to be promoting some book about The Persecuted Christian or some sh*t.

Though honestly, while I do object to any of this on school grounds, it does teach a valuable lesson.  When someone wants to hand you a pile of sh*t you don't have to take it.  Tell them your not interested and be on about your business.  If they insist take the thing and throw it in the nearest trash can.  Make sure they see you do it.
 
2014-04-05 09:14:40 PM
Ya know, there's little evidence in human history that multicultural societies actually survive, so maybe we should just give up already and segregate. Save us all a lot of heartburn. I really think we're chasing an ideal that just isn't feasible. Like that USSR thingy. Huge waste of time, even though they wanted it to work SO MUCH.

Muslims don't like the dominate culture? Leave already. There's an entire Islamic region over in the middle east. Go. Be happy.
 
2014-04-05 09:18:41 PM
Well, they are.
 
2014-04-05 09:20:10 PM

Empty H: EmmaLou: I find it interesting how churches do Easter egg hunts at all, considering that's part of the secular version of the holiday.

If you can trick the kids early with fun activities then it is easier for the brainwashing to take hold and last.


Never worked for me. It lead my fealty to Santa and the Easter Bunner. They got results.
 
2014-04-05 09:20:12 PM

Dinki: Obviously, the only people that can voice concern about religious organizations intruding into the public sphere under the aegis of the government are Christians. Only they are truly aggrieved by these type of things.


Well, apparently, it seems like only Christians are allowed to be criticized for offering complaints about what goes on in schools.  Must be rough for those other groups (such as other faiths or secularists) that no one can challenge them.
 
2014-04-05 09:22:21 PM
Schools often distribute community event flyers regardless of religious or non-religious context. As long as they do so equally, it's not establishment of a religion. If anything, forbidding them puts the school in the awkward position of deciding what is or is not a religious organization and what the intent of community events is. For instance, if the church held this event in a public park, does that make it OK? What if it's a women's group affiliated with the church? What if it's a community group that has no official affiliation with the church but is comprised solely of church members? What happens when a non-religious group with controversial stances wants to hold an event? Do you just say no events can be advertised in a school? That basically means that poorer children without access to other media forms or with parents who are unwilling or unable to seek out opportunities get completely excluded and 'community' events turn into 'middle and upper class kids with parents that care' events.

I think the way schools do it now is fair and inclusive. You go to the principal, you say 'our group is having an event, here's 500 flyers.' The principal decides if it's a kid appropriate event and it gets put in backpacks. For the record, our kids do come home with 'Festival of Lights' flyers and as good parents often do, we evaluate whether it fits in with our beliefs and time schedule and then decide whether or not to go. We don't feel that the school is establishing Hinduism as a religion.
 
2014-04-05 09:22:44 PM

mark12A: Ya know, there's little evidence in human history that multicultural societies actually survive, so maybe we should just give up already and segregate. Save us all a lot of heartburn. I really think we're chasing an ideal that just isn't feasible. Like that USSR thingy. Huge waste of time, even though they wanted it to work SO MUCH.

Muslims don't like the dominate culture? Leave already. There's an entire Islamic region over in the middle east. Go. Be happy.


if you don't like a multicultural society how about you gtfo out, if all the douchebags left it would save us all a lot of heartburn.
 
2014-04-05 09:23:00 PM
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2014-04-05 09:23:03 PM

mark12A: Ya know, there's little evidence in human history that multicultural societies actually survive, so maybe we should just give up already and segregate. Save us all a lot of heartburn. I really think we're chasing an ideal that just isn't feasible. Like that USSR thingy. Huge waste of time, even though they wanted it to work SO MUCH.

Muslims don't like the dominate culture? Leave already. There's an entire Islamic region over in the middle east. Go. Be happy.


I agree that Muslim parents, realistically, have to accept the fact that their kids are going to be exposed to both Christian and secular influences in this country - but they have a right to not expect it coming from a public school.
I don't want my kids subjected to any kind of religious indoctrination in the public school - I send my kids there with the understanding that won't be done to them - with my tax dollars.
Want to teach religion? Do it to YOUR kids, in YOUR church. Not in a public school I have to pay for.
 
2014-04-05 09:23:45 PM

jso2897: mark12A: Ya know, there's little evidence in human history that multicultural societies actually survive, so maybe we should just give up already and segregate. Save us all a lot of heartburn. I really think we're chasing an ideal that just isn't feasible. Like that USSR thingy. Huge waste of time, even though they wanted it to work SO MUCH.

Muslims don't like the dominate culture? Leave already. There's an entire Islamic region over in the middle east. Go. Be happy.

I agree that Muslim parents, realistically, have to accept the fact that their kids are going to be exposed to both Christian and secular influences in this country - but they have a right to not expect it coming from a public school.
I don't want my kids subjected to any kind of religious indoctrination in the public school - I send my kids there with the understanding that won't be done to them - with my tax dollars.
Want to teach religion? Do it to YOUR kids, in YOUR church. Not in a public school I have to pay for.


This.
 
2014-04-05 09:25:43 PM
Once again Sharia Law strikes
 
2014-04-05 09:26:57 PM

06Wahoo: Dinki: Obviously, the only people that can voice concern about religious organizations intruding into the public sphere under the aegis of the government are Christians. Only they are truly aggrieved by these type of things.

Well, apparently, it seems like only Christians are allowed to be criticized for offering complaints about what goes on in schools.  Must be rough for those other groups (such as other faiths or secularists) that no one can challenge them.


I don't object to Christians spreading their faith through the public schools any more than i object to any other group doing it.
There are no degrees to 100%.
 
2014-04-05 09:27:34 PM
Because no Easter egg thread would be complete without:

img.fark.net

"Easter, that's a weird tradition.
'Easter, the day Jesus rose from the dead. What should we do?'
'How 'bout eggs?'
'Well, what does that have to do with Jesus?'
'All right, we'll hide 'em.'
'I don't follow your logic.'
'Don't worry. There's a bunny.' "
 
2014-04-05 09:27:44 PM

06Wahoo: Dinki: Obviously, the only people that can voice concern about religious organizations intruding into the public sphere under the aegis of the government are Christians. Only they are truly aggrieved by these type of things.

Well, apparently, it seems like only Christians are allowed to be criticized for offering complaints about what goes on in schools.  Must be rough for those other groups (such as other faiths or secularists) that no one can challenge them.


The ONLY people that have ever tried to shove their bullsh*t down my throat have been Protestant Christians/Jehovah's Witnesses and white supremacists.  When Catholics, Muslims, and/or Jews start in on me, I may be the first to start a COUNTERattack against them.
 
2014-04-05 09:28:07 PM

Headso: mark12A: Ya know, there's little evidence in human history that multicultural societies actually survive, so maybe we should just give up already and segregate. Save us all a lot of heartburn. I really think we're chasing an ideal that just isn't feasible. Like that USSR thingy. Huge waste of time, even though they wanted it to work SO MUCH.

Muslims don't like the dominate culture? Leave already. There's an entire Islamic region over in the middle east. Go. Be happy.

if you don't like a multicultural society how about you gtfo out, if all the douchebags left it would save us all a lot of heartburn.


Well, not really, we would still deal with all the awesome ethnic foods and some of those are deliciously spicy.
 
2014-04-05 09:29:15 PM

lethological_lassie: Tellingthem: Maybe they did mean it in the spirit of community and they weren't trying to drag people to an actual church event. But for future reference...neutral territory is the way to go. A local public park or community center. Maybe work with a local community group or the city even.

A town here in Ohio had Jewish parents angry due to town property being used for an Easter egg hunt: Easter is a "Christian" holiday, even when the bunny and egg version is celebrated.

And then you have the parents who want eggs to be filled with things that are not candy or candy without specific dyes due to their child's sensitivities.

Adults have a way of standing in the way of a lot of childhood fun.


This kind of makes me want to drive over to my local synagogue and mosque in the middle of the night and plant easter eggs all over the properties. Then I'll hit the churches up with images of pagan gods.

Would probably be considered a hate crime though. The lulz wouldn't be worth 10 years in a pmita institution.
 
2014-04-05 09:34:38 PM
What's Arabic for "Herp Derp"?
 
2014-04-05 09:36:04 PM

senoy: Schools often distribute community event flyers regardless of religious or non-religious context. As long as they do so equally, it's not establishment of a religion. If anything, forbidding them puts the school in the awkward position of deciding what is or is not a religious organization and what the intent of community events is. For instance, if the church held this event in a public park, does that make it OK? What if it's a women's group affiliated with the church? What if it's a community group that has no official affiliation with the church but is comprised solely of church members? What happens when a non-religious group with controversial stances wants to hold an event? Do you just say no events can be advertised in a school? That basically means that poorer children without access to other media forms or with parents who are unwilling or unable to seek out opportunities get completely excluded and 'community' events turn into 'middle and upper class kids with parents that care' events.

I think the way schools do it now is fair and inclusive. You go to the principal, you say 'our group is having an event, here's 500 flyers.' The principal decides if it's a kid appropriate event and it gets put in backpacks. For the record, our kids do come home with 'Festival of Lights' flyers and as good parents often do, we evaluate whether it fits in with our beliefs and time schedule and then decide whether or not to go. We don't feel that the school is establishing Hinduism as a religion.


Yeah but that isn't the way anymore. The mere mention of a church will get some people upset. So it's best to just not do it at all. Society changes and even if the school lets all religions or Atheists do the same thing (like yours) you are still going to piss someone off eventually. Keep anything in school strictly school related. And if you want to advertise for your Easter Egg hunt or whatever do it online or in newspapers. That way it keeps any and all controversy out of it.
 
2014-04-05 09:36:06 PM

big pig peaches: lethological_lassie: Tellingthem: Maybe they did mean it in the spirit of community and they weren't trying to drag people to an actual church event. But for future reference...neutral territory is the way to go. A local public park or community center. Maybe work with a local community group or the city even.

A town here in Ohio had Jewish parents angry due to town property being used for an Easter egg hunt: Easter is a "Christian" holiday, even when the bunny and egg version is celebrated.

And then you have the parents who want eggs to be filled with things that are not candy or candy without specific dyes due to their child's sensitivities.

Adults have a way of standing in the way of a lot of childhood fun.

This kind of makes me want to drive over to my local synagogue and mosque in the middle of the night and plant easter eggs all over the properties. Then I'll hit the churches up with images of pagan gods.

Would probably be considered a hate crime though. The lulz wouldn't be worth 10 years in a pmita institution.


Claim insanity. Just tell them a voice spoke unto you and saith the mighty Zoroaster did command you to perform such deeds, yea verily.
 
2014-04-05 09:36:58 PM

EmmaLou: I find it interesting how churches do Easter egg hunts at all, considering that's part of the secular version of the holiday.



Maybe they're not as uptight as Fark Liberals?
 
2014-04-05 09:39:37 PM

TV's Vinnie: What's Arabic for "Herp Derp"?


Just add phlegm.
 
2014-04-05 09:39:41 PM

Tellingthem: Yeah but that isn't the way anymore. The mere mention of a church will get some people upset. So it's best to just not do it at all. Society changes and even if the school lets all religions or Atheists do the same thing (like yours) you are still going to piss someone off eventually. Keep anything in school strictly school related. And if you want to advertise for your Easter Egg hunt or whatever do it online or in newspapers. That way it keeps any and all controversy out ...


I get what you're saying, but it's pretty obvious that all that this does is hurt the most vulnerable children in the name of being inoffensive. Of course, our ideologies have always been more important than poor, mostly brown people, so what can you do?
 
2014-04-05 09:39:45 PM

Truther: EmmaLou: I find it interesting how churches do Easter egg hunts at all, considering that's part of the secular version of the holiday.


Maybe they're not as uptight as Fark Liberals?


Benghazi much?
 
2014-04-05 09:41:11 PM

Boojum2k: Empty H: EmmaLou: I find it interesting how churches do Easter egg hunts at all, considering that's part of the secular version of the holiday.

If you can trick the kids early with fun activities then it is easier for the brainwashing to take hold and last.

In many cases. Then there were kids like me who were all "Thanks for the candy, keep the mythology!"

/I sound fat


Incoming SSB

I used to teach at a private school that used Applied Behavior Analysis. It is basically behaviorism modification. If used correctly, it can help change peoples internal motivations into something productive and healthy. If used unethically, it can be used to manipulate someone not only short term, but long term by changing their internal motivation.

While teaching, I was invited to a gathering of a local Christian organization by some of their college age students because they were trying to get involved in our school. They had a speaker, unfortunately I can not remember his name, who, through anecdotal stories, went on and on about how they shouldn't judge people who are not Christians. Instead, they should find a common interest and not push their ideas. They should just let that "lost soul" confide in them and trust them. The speaker went on to preach about how once you had that persons trust you could lead them to the good that Christ could do through them. The ideas he gave about "helping" people sounded more and more like the tools I used to help children who were hurt or children with Autism.

As I sat listening I realized this man was preaching behavior modification to these college kids. I looked around and had that weird movie moment were it seemed that everyone else in the giant room was an alien worshiping some manipulative master. I realize it sounds overly dramatic, but after working with ABA I know how it can be used unethically and how this was all wrong.

/SSB
 
2014-04-05 09:41:37 PM
Go back to Russia!
 
2014-04-05 09:43:49 PM

rbuzby: Truther: EmmaLou: I find it interesting how churches do Easter egg hunts at all, considering that's part of the secular version of the holiday.


Maybe they're not as uptight as Fark Liberals?

Benghazi much?


Did I strike a nerve?  Poor lil guy...
 
2014-04-05 09:44:35 PM
if you don't like a multicultural society how about you gtfo out, if all the douchebags left it would save us all a lot of heartburn.

The problem with that is that we already did that, setting up a real nice democratic, technologically advanced western civilization on our own, then the barbarians crash the party and demand we accommodate them.

If we in fact did split the country up into Jesusland and the rest have their own place, the Judeo-christian value driven society would in fact end up being wildly successful, because Judeo-christian values created our wildly successful free, democratic, prosperous society before. And once we had our new society running good, the others would start to whine and demand entry, because we're being unfair keeping them out...

I don't judge people on their color or ethnicity, I judge them on their culture. Western Judeo-christian culture has already demonstrated its superiority. With a few exceptions, like Japan, the rest of the non-european world is a hot mess. Not because of ethnicity, but because of dysfunctional cultures.
 
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