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2014-04-05 05:20:07 PM
From the Another Article of the Story of This. Please Have the Notation that Tobias is the Principal of the School of This Area:


Tobias said the students who participated in the sit-in could be perceived as promoting suicide as an option to solving one's problems and recommended students avail themselves of counseling services the school has set up for them through its guidance counselors and teachers. For that reason, the school adheres to a minimalist approach to addressing suicide publically, Tobias wrote.
During the sit-in, one student was removed from the scene by police.
"What may have been lost is not the memory of a young man, or the emotions of our students, but the fact that the death was a suicide, and some students in an effort to preserve the memory of this young man are taking steps that other students could interpret as suicide glorification," Tobias wrote.
"Initiating steps for students to meet with their counselor will always remain important. While the suicide of a person is tragic, it is a greater tragedy to glorify this event.
 
2014-04-05 05:24:52 PM
Or you know, for refusing to leave the principal's office.
 
2014-04-05 05:25:31 PM

meow said the dog: From the Another Article of the Story of This. Please Have the Notation that Tobias is the Principal of the School of This Area:


Tobias said the students who participated in the sit-in could be perceived as promoting suicide as an option to solving one's problems and recommended students avail themselves of counseling services the school has set up for them through its guidance counselors and teachers. For that reason, the school adheres to a minimalist approach to addressing suicide publically, Tobias wrote.
During the sit-in, one student was removed from the scene by police.
"What may have been lost is not the memory of a young man, or the emotions of our students, but the fact that the death was a suicide, and some students in an effort to preserve the memory of this young man are taking steps that other students could interpret as suicide glorification," Tobias wrote.
"Initiating steps for students to meet with their counselor will always remain important. While the suicide of a person is tragic, it is a greater tragedy to glorify this event.


Martha Dumptruck unavailable for comment
 
2014-04-05 05:29:23 PM
I have a feeling that the Principal in question is NOT going to have a very fun end of the school year.
 
2014-04-05 05:29:25 PM
FreeThoughtProject - so, this news comes from some kind of libertarian site.  That means that there's almost certainly another side to this - these types of sites love to scream to the heavens about how peoples' rights are being taken away, but inevitably when you look at their stories in more detail, the people involved were arrested/suspended/etc for being run-of-the-mill asshats.

Any sources that don't involve the chronically paranoid?
 
2014-04-05 05:31:21 PM
The Free Thought Project? Tech, more click bait for obscure websites.
 
2014-04-05 05:34:14 PM
I'n my time of education many fellow students died. Never was a class canceled, a moment of silence observed, a grief councelor employed or even an offer of prayer observed.
 
2014-04-05 05:36:47 PM
A friend of mine has two kids that go to school there. I'm still waiting for her to chime in about it on facebook.
 
2014-04-05 05:37:43 PM
Next they will be arresting a student for farting or queefing.
/yes I said arresting
 
2014-04-05 05:37:56 PM

Huskadoodle: I'n my time of education many fellow students died. Never was a class canceled, a moment of silence observed, a grief councelor employed or even an offer of prayer observed.


Congratulations for having the shiatty school.


Also:   http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local/indiana&id=949059 8
 
2014-04-05 05:39:28 PM

Huskadoodle: I'n my time of education many fellow students died. Never was a class canceled, a moment of silence observed, a grief councelor employed or even an offer of prayer observed.


We have produced a legion of professional hand-holders and they must be employed.
 
2014-04-05 05:39:42 PM
Also, the ONLY idiot who could "perceive" this sit-in being a PROMOTION of suicide is this Principal.

Perhaps he should go through with it, and make the world a better place.
 
2014-04-05 05:40:33 PM
So why are we supposed to be against suicide?

If you believe people who are suffering from an illness have the right to die...


and were supposed to treat mental illness like any other illness...


Just sayin.
 
2014-04-05 05:40:43 PM
Damaniel:

Any sources that don't involve the chronically paranoid?

If you are not chronically paranoid you're not paying attention.
 
2014-04-05 05:41:30 PM

zimbomba63: Huskadoodle: I'n my time of education many fellow students died. Never was a class canceled, a moment of silence observed, a grief councelor employed or even an offer of prayer observed.

We have produced a legion of professional hand-holders and they must be employed.


Oh hello Eve of the Summer Bag of Vaginal Cleaning Liquid and Thank You for the Opinion of You on the Matter of This Very Much.
 
2014-04-05 05:42:39 PM
Can we just stop using that word? Every time someone says that it's Inigo time. Every time it turns out it's just Congressman Slimebag who's "disappointed" that President Stupid didn't agree with his suggestions about the EPA's somethingsomethingsomething...
 
2014-04-05 05:43:02 PM
Don't they all get straight-As as compensation?
 
2014-04-05 05:43:40 PM

Cyno01: So why are we supposed to be against suicide?

If you believe people who are suffering from an illness have the right to die...


and were supposed to treat mental illness like any other illness...


Just sayin.


Mental illness is not generally terminal.  If someone has a TERMINAL illness, then yes they have a right to die.  Depression is very treatable. It's like saying someone should have the right to die for having high cholesterol.
 
2014-04-05 05:43:41 PM

meow said the dog: What may have been lost is not the memory of a young man, or the emotions of our students, but the fact that the death was a suicide, and some students in an effort to preserve the memory of this young man are taking steps that other students could interpret as suicide glorification," Tobias wrote.


So it just occurred to me: why is FARK engaged in the glorification of suicide?

http://www.fark.com/comments/8208995/-20-years-ago-today-Kurt-Cobain -c ommitted-suicide-devastating-fans-who-didnt-know-he-despised-them-with -all-his-heart-Here-are-20-ways-his-family-friends-reacted-to-their-lo ss
 
2014-04-05 05:43:49 PM
Perhaps the principal is the right person however as the second of the students did the commission of the suicide on the night after the sitting in. Yes really.

http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/dyer/lake-central-students-c op ing-with-two-suicides/article_00f468a9-2790-52aa-ba00-8d6b4ca0b5c6.htm l
 
2014-04-05 05:44:19 PM
In other news, the principle just learned about the Streisand Effect.
 
2014-04-05 05:49:18 PM
In the coming days we'll either find out there was more to the story than what was detailed in the article, or we'll hear about the ACLU offering to represent the family in a First Amendment suit against the principal, the school, the school district, the state, the officers involved and the police department.
 
2014-04-05 05:51:42 PM

meow said the dog: Perhaps the principal is the right person however as the second of the students did the commission of the suicide on the night after the sitting in. Yes really.

http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/dyer/lake-central-students-c op ing-with-two-suicides/article_00f468a9-2790-52aa-ba00-8d6b4ca0b5c6.htm l


Allow me to retort:

Perhaps if the discussion could be had about suicide, in an open forum full of peers and WITHOUT harassment and belittlement from authority figures, people would be less prone to commit suicide.
Or we can treat suicide like sex education, and go with a hush-hush approach.
 
2014-04-05 05:53:20 PM

geek_mars: In the coming days we'll either find out there was more to the story than what was detailed in the article, or we'll hear about the ACLU offering to represent the family in a First Amendment suit against the principal, the school, the school district, the state, the officers involved and the police department.


It doesn't matter anymore. The kid had a pocket knife on him, so he has no argument about anything else.

Not my opinion, but that's how the law will look at it.
 
2014-04-05 05:53:43 PM

puffy999: Or we can treat suicide like sex education, and go with a hush-hush approach.


I cannot do the hearing of you!!

I think the principal said of that he wishes to be like the others in the thread of this and say OM MAGOODNESS I AM SUCH THE TOUGH INDIVIDUAL AND DID NOT NEED THE ASSISTANCE OF THE OTHERS AND THESE INDIVIDUALS ALSO SHOULD NOT HAVE THE NEED FOR THIS!
 
2014-04-05 05:57:34 PM
Kids, in this situation, do like the slaves of the Romans did.

Principle: I'm disappointed in you.
Student1: We're disappointed in you too
Principle: Officer, will you remove him please?
Student2: I'm disappointed in you too.
Student3: I'm disappointed in you too.
Student4: I'm disappointed in you too. 
Student5: I'm disappointed in you too. 
Student6: I'm disappointed in you too. 
Student7: I'm disappointed in you too. 
Student8: I'm disappointed in you too.
 
2014-04-05 05:57:59 PM
www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-04-05 06:00:51 PM

The Southern Dandy: Principle Pricipal: I'm disappointed in you.


Petting of the peeves.
 
2014-04-05 06:03:46 PM

meow said the dog: The Southern Dandy: Principle Pricipal: I'm disappointed in you.

Petting of the peeves.


Caught sayof.
 
2014-04-05 06:06:39 PM
The Free Liberty Plan for a Patriotic Strong America

Step 1) Don't talk about the mental illness
Step 2) Everyone carry a concealed weapon
Step 3) Many many polices everywheres
 
2014-04-05 06:06:57 PM
 
2014-04-05 06:08:26 PM
GITMO FOR EVERYBODY!!!
 
2014-04-05 06:08:26 PM
A principal who is only interested in battling the symptoms, but not the disease itself, is not a very good principal.

A principal who's "tough on crime" is not a very good principal.

A principal who's only interested in maintaining order, yet can't tell what is causing the disorder in his own school, is not a very good principal.

Robin Tobias...is not a very good principal.
 
2014-04-05 06:10:15 PM
I understand that school admins have jobs to do, but that 'I'm disappointed in you' crap was bullshiat.  They were calling him out for his insensitivity, and he just escalates it.  He should have just told them something like.. "I'm not going to tell you that what you're doing is right or wrong, I'm not going to tell you what you should think or what you should feel, but I am going to tell you that you need to go back to class, and if you do not, there will be consequences for each and every one of you.  Keeping you safe, in class, and learning is my job, and I have to do that job, regardless of the circumstances, whether you or I like it or not.  So, get up and go to your classrooms, or stay and receive detention/ISS/whatever."  Then he should have followed through.  It's impersonal, but it's a hell of a lot better than telling those students that he's 'disappointed' in them, and telling them they think it's a joke for wanting their friend to be remembered.

And yeah, the only one there suggesting that a moment of silence would be glorifying suicide was him.  That was crap too.
 
2014-04-05 06:10:56 PM

Damaniel: Any sources that don't involve the chronically paranoid?


Are you accusing the website of faking the video?
 
2014-04-05 06:12:41 PM

The Southern Dandy: Kids, in this situation, do like the slaves of the Romans did.

Principle: I'm disappointed in you.
Student1: We're disappointed in you too
Principle: Officer, will you remove him please?
Student2: I'm disappointed in you too.
Student3: I'm disappointed in you too.
Student4: I'm disappointed in you too. 
Student5: I'm disappointed in you too. 
Student6: I'm disappointed in you too. 
Student7: I'm disappointed in you too. 
Student8: I'm disappointed in you too.


The issue wasn't that the student said he was disappointed in the principal.  He could do that no problem.  The Problem was he was staging a "sit-in" in the principal's office.  The student refused to leave he office, so the principal had an officer remove the student - which was the proper and legal thing for him to do.


Everyone in this article behaved properly.
 
2014-04-05 06:13:19 PM

meow said the dog: The Southern Dandy: Principle Pri  n cipal: I'm disappointed in you.

Petting of the peeves.


There.
 
2014-04-05 06:14:46 PM

Huskadoodle: I'n my time of education many fellow students died. Never was a class canceled, a moment of silence observed, a grief councelor employed or even an offer of prayer observed.


Golly, I wonder if there's a connection between the two? If some of those kids died, indirectly, because there were no supports for them?

Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt you. I believe you were boasting how much tougher kids were back in your day.

Do go on.
 
2014-04-05 06:15:42 PM

IlGreven: A principal  politicianwho is only interested in battling the symptoms, but not the disease itself, is not a very good   principal  politician

 .

A   principal  politician
 who's "tough on crime" is not a very good   principal  politician .

A   principal  politician
 who's only interested in maintaining order, yet can't tell what is causing the disorder in his own school community, is not a very good   principal  politician .

Robin Tobias Republicans...is arenot a very good principal  politicians
 .

FTFY
 
2014-04-05 06:16:26 PM

Billy Liar: There.They're

 
2014-04-05 06:19:25 PM
There are good teachers and there are bad teachers, but I have yet to know of a school Principal that isn't a wanna-be Putin.

They're like evil versions of Pricipal Skinner. Every.single.one.of.them.


www.luds.net
 
2014-04-05 06:20:58 PM

puffy999: I have a feeling that the Principal in question is NOT going to have a very fun end of the school year.


Principal Pissant may need to go buy a used clunker and drive that to & from school instead of his regular car (we all saw "Roadhouse", right?).
 
2014-04-05 06:21:09 PM

JuggleGeek: Damaniel: Any sources that don't involve the chronically paranoid?

Are you accusing the website of faking the video?


 Farkers get uptight when someone links to a website they dont like, even if they have no objection to the actual content.
 
2014-04-05 06:22:23 PM

brimed03: Golly, I wonder if there's a connection between the two? If some of those kids died, indirectly, because there were no supports for them?

Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt you. I believe you were boasting how much tougher kids were back in your day.

Do go on.


Not so much boasting about how much tougher the kids were, just how much less dependent on grief the counselors were.
 
2014-04-05 06:24:20 PM

Damaniel: That means that there's almost certainly another side to this - these types of sites love to scream to the heavens about how peoples' rights are being taken away,


That's Libertarian whacking material. These people couldn't get off without it.
 
2014-04-05 06:28:06 PM

Huskadoodle: I'n my time of education many fellow students died. Never was a class canceled, a moment of silence observed, a grief councelor employed or even an offer of prayer observed.


This. A school of 2,000 kids, one dies, suddenly he was EVERYONE'S best friend.

Child deaths suck. But it's one thing to teach your kids to grieve, and another to teach them to be incapacitated by it.
 
2014-04-05 06:31:51 PM

puffy999: Also, the ONLY idiot who could "perceive" this sit-in being a PROMOTION of suicide is this Principal.

Perhaps he should go through with it, and make the world a better place.


Actually, coming from the theoretical mindset they're using, I can understand. Which of us can honestly say that, at some point as a teen, we didn't do the whole melodramatic "and I'll be dead and *that'll* show them" kind of thing? And if you want to lie (to us or to yourself) and say you never did, well, it's common enough to be a part of tons of literature, all the way down to Tom Sawyer hiding in the rafters watching his own funeral.

That idea gets magnified for the kid who is isolated, invisible, ignored. The idea that they could have everybody they know *weeping* for them, having school-wide moments of silence, a memorial page in the yearbook... they'd be remembered forever.

The theory here is that this is the principle behind suicide clusters. The public reaction to one suicide encourages others.

I don't know what the literature says in support or against the theory. Nor do I have an opinion, because frankly it's too important a matter for uninformed, or under informed, opinion.

But I *am* of the opinion that, this situation having happened, this principal behaved like an ass. It having happened, he could have worked with the student leaders to defuse it, to turn it into something good. Instead he turned it into a personal attack on his Aw-thori-tay, and reacted accordingly.

He looks like a vainglorious meathead and he sure acted like one. I'd bet a small amount of money that he was a gym teacher before becoming principal, and that he takes any opportunity he can to show off how strong he is to the young, single teachers.
 
2014-04-05 06:36:52 PM

shtychkn: The Southern Dandy: Kids, in this situation, do like the slaves of the Romans did.

Principle: I'm disappointed in you.
Student1: We're disappointed in you too
Principle: Officer, will you remove him please?
Student2: I'm disappointed in you too.
Student3: I'm disappointed in you too.
Student4: I'm disappointed in you too. 
Student5: I'm disappointed in you too. 
Student6: I'm disappointed in you too. 
Student7: I'm disappointed in you too. 
Student8: I'm disappointed in you too.

The issue wasn't that the student said he was disappointed in the principal.  He could do that no problem.  The Problem was he was staging a "sit-in" in the principal's office.  The student refused to leave he office, so the principal had an officer remove the student - which was the proper and legal thing for him to do.


Everyone in this article behaved properly.


Office? Looks like a large hallway.
 
2014-04-05 06:37:41 PM

meow said the dog: Perhaps the principal is the right person however as the second of the students did the commission of the suicide on the night after the sitting in. Yes really.

http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/dyer/lake-central-students-c op ing-with-two-suicides/article_00f468a9-2790-52aa-ba00-8d6b4ca0b5c6.htm l


And there you go. Doesn't prove the theory right, but it does validate the concerns behind it.

And I will still say that, the sit-in *having* happened despite all efforts, this outcome could perhaps have been avoided if the principal had better handled it.
 
2014-04-05 06:39:36 PM
evergreenterrace.com.au

I guess theirs summon the cops.
 
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