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(Townhall)   Pope Francis: "No, I am not a Communist. I believe that the poor are the center of the Gospel of Jesus." Of course, that's just what a dirty, sneaky, hippie Commie mole would say   ( townhall.com) divider line
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2014-04-05 09:49:00 PM  

jake_lex: I love how "conservatives" are rejecting both the President of the United States and the Pope and embracing the President of Russia.

We're through the derpy glass here, people.



How on earth do you get "conservatives are rejecting... the Pope" out of this article?
 
2014-04-05 10:01:54 PM  

Truther: jake_lex: I love how "conservatives" are rejecting both the President of the United States and the Pope and embracing the President of Russia.

We're through the derpy glass here, people.


How on earth do you get "conservatives are rejecting... the Pope" out of this article?


The last six months of Fox News and AM talk radio?
 
2014-04-05 10:19:58 PM  

Tellingthem: And Socialism is a dirty word to Americans.

Except as it's practiced by the NFL.

\revenue sharing
\\salary cap
\\\biggest loser rewarded with top draft picks
\\\\Winner punished for success with lowest draft picks

\I really don't know how to slashie

 
2014-04-05 10:20:09 PM  
I clicked a townhall link just to read the comments. Can't wait to dig into the derp.
 
2014-04-05 10:26:44 PM  

wax_on: I clicked a townhall link just to read the comments. Can't wait to dig into the derp.


You were warned.
 
2014-04-05 11:05:55 PM  

Frank N Stein: Are there any Marxists of fark? If so could you answer this question: being dialectical-materialist based theory, what materal basis do Marxist have in believing that's there's a "class conscious" that will spur a worker's revolution?


Not a Marxist, but I'd imagine it's 'the need for food'.

/The times when Marx is proven right are the times when that's what's happened
 
2014-04-05 11:06:08 PM  
Great comments by the Pope


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2014-04-05 11:16:06 PM  

anfrind: wax_on: I clicked a townhall link just to read the comments. Can't wait to dig into the derp.

You were warned.


Wow. It's like they speak another language. Kind of like how communities that are isolated tend to have tongues that splinter off from the main language, including their own syntax and vocabulary. It seems like that's happening. These people spend so much time in their conservative echo chamber that their minds have evolved to not include the language of rational thought. Anyone who interjects with a comment that reflects an opposing point of view, no matter how rational ("maybe the Pope isn't a communist, maybe he just believes that it's everyone's responsibility to care for the poor, regardless of whether the method is by government or personal support.") they are instantly shouted down in a hail of hateful comments.

Looking at the moderate/liberal echo chamber that is the Fark politics tab I don't think it's like that. It seems like we at least try to engage our right-tards and get them to answer meaningful questions (which of course they seldom do.) Of course I might be wrong and just a product of my own bubble.
 
2014-04-05 11:17:39 PM  

dantheman195: Communism is forced by the boot of the government. If a person decides to give to charity, volunteer at a soup kitchen or help the poor on their own accord. That is not communism, that is just being a good charitable being. Pope Francis seems to promote helping the poor any way his church can and he preaches this, that is not communism, that is just being a good Pope.

That is the way I see it.


Except it's not what he says at all. He supports government programs that help the poor. And others. Not likely a big fan of the Ryan budgets(s).

And it's part of what most people think makes him a good Pope. Along with being kind, decent, open hearted and caring about people.

Nice try.
 
2014-04-05 11:21:54 PM  

iaazathot: DrewCurtisJr: jonnya: Semi relevant pic that a friend posted on Facebook this morning. I gave it a hearty 'like'-

That assumes you believe giving tax dollars to the government is the best way to help the poor.

Find the data that shows any private endeavor in the US is better than the government at it.  We'll wait.


The data on the number of elderly living in poverty pre and post social security are rather convincing. Centuries of charity vs a few years of gov spending -
No contest.

Charity loses.
 
2014-04-05 11:23:50 PM  

Moopy Mac: Truther: jake_lex: I love how "conservatives" are rejecting both the President of the United States and the Pope and embracing the President of Russia.

We're through the derpy glass here, people.


How on earth do you get "conservatives are rejecting... the Pope" out of this article?

The last six months of Fox News and AM talk radio?


That's out of this article?
 
2014-04-06 12:48:12 AM  

jake_lex: I love how "conservatives" are rejecting both the President of the United States and the Pope and embracing the President of Russia.

We're through the derpy glass here, people.


Saint Malachy
 
2014-04-06 12:54:35 AM  

MemeSlave: It's the meek who are the problem!


That's what happens when you've got people living off their inheritance.
 
2014-04-06 02:31:36 AM  
Hiall, is this the thread were several people claim China and various other Eastern bloc countries are communist? That's great, we haven't seen that for a while.
 
2014-04-06 04:32:15 AM  

hinten: Hiall, is this the thread were several people claim China and various other Eastern bloc countries are communist? That's great, we haven't seen that for a while.


Well, considering Communism didnt work, its good that they abandoned it
 
2014-04-06 04:36:06 AM  
How did this guy get to be pope again? Is he really just saying all this stuff so the hardliners can disappear all the left-leaning Catholics? It's a trap.
 
2014-04-06 04:52:08 AM  

CruJones: My grandparents are uber-catholic, and very conservative, and they love this pope.


I'm related to some übercatholics, they generally groove on every pope.  It's the marginal catholics that get picky.
 
2014-04-06 05:57:40 AM  
If American christians and evangelicals weren't just a hodge podge collection of classical heresies they'd be less shocked by this sort of thing.

Donatism to the Prosperity Gospel, and everything in between. Heck, you want understand their world view - just wiki list of catholic heresies and boom. Pretty much a list of what the current right wing believes.
 
2014-04-06 08:03:19 AM  

jake_lex: I love how "conservatives" are rejecting both the President of the United States and the Pope and embracing the President of Russia.

We're through the derpy glass here, people.


From a historical perspective, it really is astonishing that the American right was able to seize the mantle of patriotism in the latter 20th century. In this country, it has always been the political right which has seethed with hatred for America, its Constitution, and its core values. From the beginning, the anti-constitution doctrines of nullification and secession were advanced by those  infuriated that the Constitution created an effective central government with the power to govern a nation.

These early anti-American doctrines culminated in the War of Southern Treason, when the proto-conservative movement embodied in the CSA's push for an intercontinental slave empire declared with a resounding voice, "you're not the boss of me! You can' make me do anything. Lalalalalalala!" These puerile Traitor-Slavers were quickly and correctly quashed; the only mistake of the era being America's failure to exact severe punitive measures against those who rose in treason to destroy the republic.

American southerners are, when you strip away all the congenialities, barbarians. They understand only strength; and they interpret all efforts to compromise and grant mercy as weakness. So when, for example, the United States failed to hang en masse every scum Confederate legislator who voted to destroy the republic because he was mad about the outcome of an election, the southern barbarian said to himself "Well, we gotz ta keep tellin' ar yunginz 'bout da War o' Northern Greshun. I don't care what that we started it n'all. We kin take theze yankees down--see how weak they iz?"

As a consequence, instead of being quashed with the CSA's dreams of Evil Empire, this sentiment of "America is evil" has lingered among the far-right wing of our population. Just something to keep in mind when it comes time to decide how punitively we should act against the "New Confederacy."
 
2014-04-06 09:07:02 AM  

cman: hinten: Hiall, is this the thread were several people claim China and various other Eastern bloc countries are communist? That's great, we haven't seen that for a while.

Well, considering Communism didnt work, its good that they abandoned it


Only a Republican would call the Chinese system communist.
 
2014-04-06 10:31:31 AM  

Frank N Stein: FunkOut: Frank N Stein: FunkOut: Sgt Otter: "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a Communist."

- Hélder Câmara

Without poor people around, how will we get that warm fuzzy feeling in our heart about doing the right thing as we toss that dented outdated generic can of cream of lima bean soup into the food bank donation bin?

Yeah fark charity, right?

The point, she is flying over your head like an albatross.

No I totally get it. According to this thread, the Right systematically ignores the plight of the poor. And according to you, they also enjoy donating food to the poor. Air tight logic

/also, the albatross is suppose to hang around the neck. Get your literary devices right.


Because if you're really, really rich, there's tax incentives to donate.  For example, if you owe $250,000 in taxes, you can either pay it or donate 250K to a charity and get that back in the form of a 250K tax break.  While either way the money is paid, the latter way allows the rich person to say "I donated to the poor.  I'm a good person."  Just watch "The Apprentice", that's basically Trump's way of making money while lowering the tax bill at the same time.

Now you should understand that air tight logic.  It make's perfect sense if you know how the system actually works.

/knows rich people that do this
//their taxes would be lower if the employees made more and them less
///would rather make more than the employees have a better way of life
//and that's the dark side of capitalism
/fark you, I'm getting mine
 
2014-04-06 10:35:21 AM  

hinten: Hiall, is this the thread were several people claim China and various other Eastern bloc countries are communist? That's great, we haven't seen that for a while.


They were until the fall of the wall in the Warsaw Pact and China was until the 90s as well. Currently, it's a strict communist political overlay with state control over a market economy, so a fascistic economy.

/That was also the direction that Lenin started pushing the USSR in his last years. Trotsky and Stalin did not like that.
//State Capitalism is not a thing.
 
2014-04-06 10:40:31 AM  

skeevy420: Frank N Stein: FunkOut: Frank N Stein: FunkOut: Sgt Otter: "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a Communist."

- Hélder Câmara

Without poor people around, how will we get that warm fuzzy feeling in our heart about doing the right thing as we toss that dented outdated generic can of cream of lima bean soup into the food bank donation bin?

Yeah fark charity, right?

The point, she is flying over your head like an albatross.

No I totally get it. According to this thread, the Right systematically ignores the plight of the poor. And according to you, they also enjoy donating food to the poor. Air tight logic

/also, the albatross is suppose to hang around the neck. Get your literary devices right.

Because if you're really, really rich, there's tax incentives to donate.  For example, if you owe $250,000 in taxes, you can either pay it or donate 250K to a charity and get that back in the form of a 250K tax break.  While either way the money is paid, the latter way allows the rich person to say "I donated to the poor.  I'm a good person."  Just watch "The Apprentice", that's basically Trump's way of making money while lowering the tax bill at the same time.


That just means that they aren't taxed on that $250k. Donating to charity doesn't reduce your tax burden except by the amount you would be taxed for that same amount if you hadn't donated. In fact, that hasn't been the case since the 80s.

For example, if I'm taxed at 30% and I make $10,000 (not a real thing, $10,000 means you get money from the government, not pay it), I pay $3000. If I donate $1000, my taxes are $2700, not $2000.

So the benefit to me, financially, is none.
 
2014-04-06 10:58:54 AM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: AgentPothead: Today's republicans would literally have their minds explode if they knew what "republican" meant 100 years ago.
[agentpothead.com image 400x295]

Hell, their heads would explode if they actually had a clue what communism and socialism actually meant.

But that would take education and education is taboo unless it's Jesus approved.


That.
One of the guys I work for was a Vietnam Air Force Vet, his Dad an Army Air Corps Vet from WWII, and he hated socialism.  When I explained that socialism was paying for aspects of the society with tax money, like police, firemen, buses, park services, mediacre/medicade, and that the military is socialist."

 "I've always believed that socialism would be like living under NAZI rule.  But how is the military socialist?"

"It could be if the government is corrupt, but look at countries like Sweden & Switzerland, they're socialist, they have a much higher quality of life than us because, unlike America, they're social programs are much better because they're not ruled by greedy capitalists only focused on pure profits,  I know I'm sounding a bit anti-America, but I just believe that the big businesses should be regulated differently so that we don't have companies like Walmart that pay employees so little that they require government subsidies to pay bills and eat; and that someone working a 40 hour week shouldn't need government assistance.  For that matter, I find it sad that they're not going full out socialism with Obambacare.  It's a good idea in principle, but it just doesn't go far enough because the government is too busy biatching about semantics and ideals than actually doing the right thing."
:Now the military, just like police and firemen, they're socialist because it's an organization funded by American tax payers to protect the greater good of America.  That's pure socialism in it's finest, going by the simplest definition of socialism."

"I see what you mean there."

After we talked for a bit longer, he actually agreed with quite a bit of my beliefs about socialism, better business regulations, extending healthcare, better and more enforced environmental policies,  It's not his fault that entire generations of American's were brainwashed into thinking that socialism and communism are evil and bad.  They can be, but it depends on the government/ruling elite and how they act, just like capitalism.
 
2014-04-06 11:05:28 AM  

luidprand: skeevy420: Frank N Stein: FunkOut: Frank N Stein: FunkOut: Sgt Otter: "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a Communist."

- Hélder Câmara

Without poor people around, how will we get that warm fuzzy feeling in our heart about doing the right thing as we toss that dented outdated generic can of cream of lima bean soup into the food bank donation bin?

Yeah fark charity, right?

The point, she is flying over your head like an albatross.

No I totally get it. According to this thread, the Right systematically ignores the plight of the poor. And according to you, they also enjoy donating food to the poor. Air tight logic

/also, the albatross is suppose to hang around the neck. Get your literary devices right.

Because if you're really, really rich, there's tax incentives to donate.  For example, if you owe $250,000 in taxes, you can either pay it or donate 250K to a charity and get that back in the form of a 250K tax break.  While either way the money is paid, the latter way allows the rich person to say "I donated to the poor.  I'm a good person."  Just watch "The Apprentice", that's basically Trump's way of making money while lowering the tax bill at the same time.

That just means that they aren't taxed on that $250k. Donating to charity doesn't reduce your tax burden except by the amount you would be taxed for that same amount if you hadn't donated. In fact, that hasn't been the case since the 80s.

For example, if I'm taxed at 30% and I make $10,000 (not a real thing, $10,000 means you get money from the government, not pay it), I pay $3000. If I donate $1000, my taxes are $2700, not $2000.

So the benefit to me, financially, is none.


Perhaps I understood the guy wrong 6 months ago, but his exact words were "I'm donating a 100K to not pay a 100K in taxes."  I'm never going to pretend to be an expert in tax law...perhaps he knows of a loophole we're unaware of, or just wrong.  IDK, but that's what I was told from a guy with over 10M in the bank.
 
2014-04-06 11:19:41 AM  

skeevy420: luidprand: skeevy420: Frank N Stein: FunkOut: Frank N Stein: FunkOut: Sgt Otter: "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a Communist."

- Hélder Câmara

Without poor people around, how will we get that warm fuzzy feeling in our heart about doing the right thing as we toss that dented outdated generic can of cream of lima bean soup into the food bank donation bin?

Yeah fark charity, right?

The point, she is flying over your head like an albatross.

No I totally get it. According to this thread, the Right systematically ignores the plight of the poor. And according to you, they also enjoy donating food to the poor. Air tight logic

/also, the albatross is suppose to hang around the neck. Get your literary devices right.

Because if you're really, really rich, there's tax incentives to donate.  For example, if you owe $250,000 in taxes, you can either pay it or donate 250K to a charity and get that back in the form of a 250K tax break.  While either way the money is paid, the latter way allows the rich person to say "I donated to the poor.  I'm a good person."  Just watch "The Apprentice", that's basically Trump's way of making money while lowering the tax bill at the same time.

That just means that they aren't taxed on that $250k. Donating to charity doesn't reduce your tax burden except by the amount you would be taxed for that same amount if you hadn't donated. In fact, that hasn't been the case since the 80s.

For example, if I'm taxed at 30% and I make $10,000 (not a real thing, $10,000 means you get money from the government, not pay it), I pay $3000. If I donate $1000, my taxes are $2700, not $2000.

So the benefit to me, financially, is none.

Perhaps I understood the guy wrong 6 months ago, but his exact words were "I'm donating a 100K to not pay a 100K in taxes."  I'm never going to pretend to be an expert in tax law...perhaps he knows of a loophole we're unaware of, or just wrong.  IDK, but that's wh ...


Not an accountant, but you can (legally) shelter your money through retirement accounts, some trusts, and some long-term capital expenditures. Charities are not shelters, although many people still think they are, both because of popular culture and a grossly outdated misunderstanding of how charity donations work. Charitable donations are taken off at taxable income, not taxes to be paid.

A good, quick summary, can be found here.
 
2014-04-06 11:39:11 AM  
Thanks.  Interesting, but damn boring read.

After you replied the first time I just assumed the either him or his accountant* haven't kept of with the tax code all that much.  He became rich in the 70's and 80's and possibly still thought some of those laws were still in effect.  Like I said, I'm no tax expert, only paying what I have to, if I have to.

*not sure if he has one; my Mom's boss; don't know him that well

Another rich guy I know won't even talk about finances so he can pretend to be poor.  For example, he wanted some "spending money" and din't want to touch his bank account, so he went to a cash for gold type place or a gold exchange with some gold he had laying around.  The gold place had to go to the bank and get a loan to pay him the $180,000 in gold he brought in.  That gold was nothing to him, he has individual coins from shipwrecks worth hundreds of thousands a piece as well as lots of other valuable stuff.
 
2014-04-06 11:39:53 AM  
that very first the should have been that......sigh
 
2014-04-06 12:10:54 PM  

jonnya: Semi relevant pic that a friend posted on Facebook this morning. I gave it a hearty 'like'-
[img.fark.net image 526x526]


So the Christian thing to do is threaten people with jail if they don't "donate" to the general fund, some of which will be used to help the poor and most of which will be used to enrich cronies and kill foreigners.
 
2014-04-06 12:34:14 PM  

skeevy420: Perhaps I understood the guy wrong 6 months ago, but his exact words were "I'm donating a 100K to not pay a 100K in taxes."  I'm never going to pretend to be an expert in tax law...perhaps he knows of a loophole we're unaware of, or just wrong.  IDK, but that's what I was told from a guy with over 10M in the bank.


He may get out of paying $100K in taxes, but he's dong so by donating $100K to charity, so in the end he's still paying $100K.  The only thing that changes is who gets his money.

I can think of two reasons for someone like him to donate to charity:

1. He thinks the charity would make better use of that money than the government.
2. He has a pathological aversion to paying taxes.

/could be both
 
2014-04-06 12:50:13 PM  
Wow, so much ignorance in this thread... allow me to clarify some things based on, you know, what the Bible actually says.

The Gospel, in essence, is this: because of the Original Sin, mankind became separated from God.  God incarnated in human form (Jesus) to take upon himself the penalty for that sin (death), allowing those who accept his act to be reconciled back to him.  That's it, plain and simple.  Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to get something from you.

Jesus didn't come to be a social reformer, a rules lawyer, a political antagonist, or anything else so petty.  His mission had two objectives: pay mankind's sin debt with his own blood and start an organization that would carry his message down through the ages.  Unfortunately that organization has been split and corrupted so many times that the original message is nearly lost.  And those who do still follow it are overshadowed by all the bad press surrounding the others.

Now, Jesus did advocate a lifestyle of love and generosity, because we have received such things from him and ought to pay it forward, so to speak.  He also tended to hang around with the poor and sick because they were generally more receptive to his message than the elites who think they already have things figured out for themselves.  But that was only tangential to his message, not the core.
 
2014-04-06 12:56:57 PM  

jigger: jonnya: Semi relevant pic that a friend posted on Facebook this morning. I gave it a hearty 'like'-
[img.fark.net image 526x526]

So the Christian thing to do is threaten people with jail if they don't "donate" to the general fund, some of which will be used to help the poor and most of which will be used to enrich cronies and kill foreigners.


I couldn't really say - I'm no Christian. Regardless, to me the point of the quote seems to be that if you believe in true Christian values, tax money should  not largely be spent to enrich cronies and kill foreigners. Much more of it should be spent on enriching our own disadvantaged citizens. The subtex would be that a lot of vocal supporters who claim to represent Christian/family values  are in support of funding corporations/wars, but not so much social programs.

Having said that-  In this country, I don't think seeking penalties for tax evasion is a Christian thing per se- but more so a Gov't/IRS thing. I don't know of anybody who's been audited by a Bishop.
 
2014-04-06 01:00:53 PM  

jigger: jonnya: Semi relevant pic that a friend posted on Facebook this morning. I gave it a hearty 'like'-
[img.fark.net image 526x526]

So the Christian thing to do is threaten people with jail if they don't "donate" to the general fund, some of which will be used to help the poor and most of which will be used to enrich cronies and kill foreigners.


I couldn't really say - I'm no Christian. Regardless, to me the point of the quote seems to be that if you believe in true Christian values, tax money should  not largely be spent to enrich cronies and kill foreigners. Much more of it should be spent on enriching our own disadvantaged citizens. The subtext would be that a lot of vocal supporters who claim to represent Christian/family values  are in support of funding corporations/wars, but not so much social programs.

Having said that-  In this country, I don't think seeking penalties for tax evasion is a Christian thing per se- but more so a Gov't/IRS thing. I don't know of anybody who's been audited by a Bishop.
 
2014-04-06 01:17:45 PM  

jonnya: I live in a crappy neighborhood in Jersey City/NYC. I have direct access to quite a few poor folk. I give a buck or two here and there to those who ask- but I'm not thinking that it's an alternative to gov't funded programs. Why not both?


Because people who oppose government help for the poor (especially FEDERAL government help) have issue not with their tax dollars being spent as much as their tax dollars being spent on "those people". "Charity" gives them an easy out, as their giving is targeted toward a group or groups of people they like, or who are local to them and not "those people over there". They get to feel all warm and fuzzy, write it off on their taxes, and give the middle finger to people who "aren't like them" all at the same time. Government assistance makes no such distinctions, and is therefore evil cause reasons.

It's exactly what Jesus would have wanted. Really.
 
2014-04-06 01:23:07 PM  

jonnya: jigger: jonnya: Semi relevant pic that a friend posted on Facebook this morning. I gave it a hearty 'like'-
[img.fark.net image 526x526]

So the Christian thing to do is threaten people with jail if they don't "donate" to the general fund, some of which will be used to help the poor and most of which will be used to enrich cronies and kill foreigners.

I couldn't really say - I'm no Christian. Regardless, to me the point of the quote seems to be that if you believe in true Christian values, tax money should  not largely be spent to enrich cronies and kill foreigners. Much more of it should be spent on enriching our own disadvantaged citizens. The subtex would be that a lot of vocal supporters who claim to represent Christian/family values  are in support of funding corporations/wars, but not so much social programs.

Having said that-  In this country, I don't think seeking penalties for tax evasion is a Christian thing per se- but more so a Gov't/IRS thing. I don't know of anybody who's been audited by a Bishop.


If you believe in Christian values, donate when you can, butt out when you can't, and either way follow the Golden Rule.

Of course, the problem with a term like "Christian values" is that there are a dozen major forms of Christianity with handful of sects in the lead, just like Jewish and Muslim religions, and we know that all of those sects have different interpretations of the source material, some of them major
 
2014-04-06 01:49:24 PM  

rewind2846: jonnya: I live in a crappy neighborhood in Jersey City/NYC. I have direct access to quite a few poor folk. I give a buck or two here and there to those who ask- but I'm not thinking that it's an alternative to gov't funded programs. Why not both?

Because people who oppose government help for the poor (especially FEDERAL government help) have issue not with their tax dollars being spent as much as their tax dollars being spent on "those people". "Charity" gives them an easy out, as their giving is targeted toward a group or groups of people they like, or who are local to them and not "those people over there". They get to feel all warm and fuzzy, write it off on their taxes, and give the middle finger to people who "aren't like them" all at the same time. Government assistance makes no such distinctions, and is therefore evil cause reasons.

It's exactly what Jesus would have wanted. Really.


Not exactly.  It's more targeted to people who meet certain economic conditions, but government assistance doesn't have to be monetary(see affirmative action).

Anyways, is Bill Gates, the world's foremost active philanthropist, a bad person because he only donates to specific causes(causes his foundation identifies as the who can make the most positive change with an equal donation)?  Or should he just give that money to the government to let them spend down war debt?
 
2014-04-06 04:16:44 PM  

bhcompy: Anyways, is Bill Gates, the world's foremost active philanthropist, a bad person because he only donates to specific causes(causes his foundation identifies as the who can make the most positive change with an equal donation)?


No, he is not. But he's also not insisting that those causes and the private giving he and others do should be the only way to help the poor. In other words, he's not campaigning for reductions or elimination of WIC, EBT, welfare, Social Security disability, or any other federal, state or county assistance for the poor paid for with tax dollars.

He gives what he gives, and that's it.

It's the people who would like targeted charities to be used INSTEAD of government assistance that I have issue with, because of their issues with helping "other people" with their taxes and only want them to be spent on those things (and people) which directly affect them. This is also why most of their vitriol is focused on the federal government, with less bile projected as the governmental bodies get more and more local.

After all, before the feds started to do their thing during the Great Depression charities really did a bang up job of helping the poor, didn't they?

/the last part was what is known as a "rhetorical question"
 
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