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(Townhall)   Pope Francis: "No, I am not a Communist. I believe that the poor are the center of the Gospel of Jesus." Of course, that's just what a dirty, sneaky, hippie Commie mole would say   (townhall.com) divider line 138
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2014-04-05 04:00:02 PM
I love how "conservatives" are rejecting both the President of the United States and the Pope and embracing the President of Russia.

We're through the derpy glass here, people.
 
2014-04-05 04:19:26 PM
It's ridiculous that anyone that comes out to say that "Hey, umm maybe there are a bunch of flaws in capitalism that we need to shore up so it works better" that the instantaneous response is to call them a commie socialist totalitarian.

The Pope's continued message should be, capitalism is a tool to use in the economy to increase the quality of life for all, however by itself it's not a perfect system. We can do better.
 
2014-04-05 04:57:02 PM

jake_lex: I love how "conservatives" are rejecting both the President of the United States and the Pope and embracing the President of Russia.

We're through the derpy glass here, people.




Not at all. Today's republicans are fascist. Today's democrats are conservatives. There are no liberals.
 
2014-04-05 04:57:20 PM

MayoSlather: The Pope's continued message should be, capitalism is a tool to use in the economy to increase the quality of life for all, however by itself it's not a perfect system. We can do better.


"Does not compute. Capitalism is a tool to control the proletariat while the rich get richer."
-- GOP
 
2014-04-05 04:59:43 PM
I love the Pope.
 
2014-04-05 05:04:55 PM
Communism consists way more than just a focus on the poor

The pope is no Communist. If he were he would be calling struggle against capitalists.
 
2014-04-05 05:09:14 PM
Sad that he actually has to say that. That people's hearts are so hardened to the actual words of the Bible is dissappointing to see.
 
2014-04-05 05:19:04 PM
Sounds like something a long-haired Middle Easterner who's gives away free healthcare would say
 
2014-04-05 05:22:48 PM
FTFA: One need not be a communist to care passionately for the poor. In the same way that one need not be a communist to criticize certain elements of an economic system that can at times lead to inequities and social exclusion.

While certainly Pope Francis has been the target of reactionary economic criticism, the actual linked article is hardly critical of him. In fact, this is probably by far the most nuanced article I've seen on Townhall since...well forever. The author certainly accepts the role of the Gospel in uplifting the poor. You know, that whole 'Sermon On The Mount/Gospel of Matthew' thing.
 
2014-04-05 05:24:42 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Sounds like something a long-haired Middle Easterner who's gives away free healthcare would say


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2014-04-05 05:34:36 PM

Somacandra: FTFA: One need not be a communist to care passionately for the poor. In the same way that one need not be a communist to criticize certain elements of an economic system that can at times lead to inequities and social exclusion.

While certainly Pope Francis has been the target of reactionary economic criticism, the actual linked article is hardly critical of him. In fact, this is probably by far the most nuanced article I've seen on Townhall since...well forever. The author certainly accepts the role of the Gospel in uplifting the poor. You know, that whole 'Sermon On The Mount/Gospel of Matthew' thing.


Dammit. I'm going to have to give TownHall a click now. *sigh*
 
2014-04-05 05:39:13 PM
critics of his pontificate have seized upon remarks he made regarding trickledown economics. In his view, he wrote, the successful implementation of such theories "have never been confirmed by the facts." Of course, many conservatives scoffed at this assertion, some of whom accused him outright of being a socialist or a communist

Pointing out that supply-side economics doesn't work (well, except for the already-rich that it was designed to make richer) makes you a communist? Please point to the people who claimed this so that I might punch them in the nuts.
 
2014-04-05 05:41:19 PM
"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a Communist."

- Hélder Câmara
 
2014-04-05 05:43:37 PM
It's the meek who are the problem!
 
2014-04-05 05:46:17 PM
Today's republicans would literally have their minds explode if they knew what "republican" meant 100 years ago.
agentpothead.com
 
2014-04-05 05:46:29 PM

jake_lex: I love how "conservatives" are rejecting both the President of the United States and the Pope and embracing the President of Russia.

We're through the derpy glass here, people.


Any tyrant will serve as an excuse.
 
2014-04-05 05:50:14 PM

MayoSlather: .....capitalism is a tool to use in the economy to increase the quality of life for all, however by itself it's not a perfect system. We can do better.


This, also corportations are a tool and not a person.
 
2014-04-05 05:50:17 PM
"One need not be a communist to care passionately for the poor. In the same way that one need not be a communist to criticize certain elements of an economic system that can at times lead to inequities and social exclusion."

Daniel Doherty is was Townhall's Deputy News Editor.
 
2014-04-05 05:51:04 PM
How long will the writer have their job, I wonder.
 
2014-04-05 05:53:30 PM
"I love how "conservatives" are rejecting both the President of the United States and the Pope and embracing the President of Russia.

We're through the derpy glass here, people."

Can you send your newsletter to the Ukraine? Or has the LSD kicked in?


/bluebell doesn't taste like home made....
 
2014-04-05 05:53:39 PM

jake_lex: I love how "conservatives" are rejecting both the President of the United States and the Pope and embracing the President of Russia.

We're through the derpy glass here, people.


Because "conservatives" are "oligarch-supporting fascists", not "patriots", "Christians", "the moral majority", or any other self-applied tag they choose. Most of them follow God because they believe that everyone who doesn't think like they do will be smited by the Almighty Ruler - and, of course, that's why they support anyone willing to demonstrate similar behavior here on Earth, too.

The poor? The poor clearly don't think like they do - otherwise, God would've rewarded them for their righteousness. The rich are, clearly, God's anointed, and so should be emulated, no matter how selfish, banal, or just plain evil their actions.
 
2014-04-05 05:53:54 PM
Communism is forced by the boot of the government. If a person decides to give to charity, volunteer at a soup kitchen or help the poor on their own accord. That is not communism, that is just being a good charitable being. Pope Francis seems to promote helping the poor any way his church can and he preaches this, that is not communism, that is just being a good Pope.

That is the way I see it.
 
2014-04-05 05:53:55 PM

AgentPothead: Today's republicans would literally have their minds explode if they knew what "republican" meant 100 years ago.
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Don't worry. The Southern Strategy Never happened in the minds of modern conservatives.
 
2014-04-05 05:54:41 PM

Sgt Otter: "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a Communist."

- Hélder Câmara


Except that today if you give food to the poor they call you a Communist. If you starve the poor they call you a hero.
 
2014-04-05 05:55:44 PM
Semi relevant pic that a friend posted on Facebook this morning. I gave it a hearty 'like'-
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-05 05:56:02 PM
Free Joel Osteen!
 
2014-04-05 05:58:07 PM
Warning: Reading the townhall comment will make you loose at least 10 iq points. Those is some serious teabagging delusions.
 
2014-04-05 05:59:13 PM

jonnya: Semi relevant pic that a friend posted on Facebook this morning. I gave it a hearty 'like'-


That assumes you believe giving tax dollars to the government is the best way to help the poor.
 
2014-04-05 06:01:47 PM
Yeah but hurr durr I give to charity. Lots of durr rich people do. Hurr durr socializms durr.
 
2014-04-05 06:02:19 PM

MayoSlather: It's ridiculous that anyone that comes out to say that "Hey, umm maybe there are a bunch of flaws in capitalism that we need to shore up so it works better" that the instantaneous response is to call them a commie socialist totalitarian.

The Pope's continued message should be, capitalism is a tool to use in the economy to increase the quality of life for all, however by itself it's not a perfect system. We can do better.


The only way Capitalism is sustainable is if you immediately shut up anyone with other ideas.  There's a lot of propaganda dedicated to making sure everyone supports it, even though capitalism only benefits a small percentage of the population.

The instant "commie!!!!" response comes from the cold war, when people were brainwashed into hating and fearing communism and communists (and anything even remotely socialist, for that matter).  Most of the knee-jerk reactionists were either brought up then, or taught to believe the same things as their parents.
 
2014-04-05 06:02:30 PM
Are there any Marxists of fark? If so could you answer this question: being dialectical-materialist based theory, what materal basis do Marxist have in believing that's there's a "class conscious" that will spur a worker's revolution?
 
2014-04-05 06:02:59 PM
My grandmother was very, very Catholic. She remembered when being Catholic was juuust a step above being from another race in her home town. She was devout, going to mass as often as possible (sometimes twice in a day). Yet, she was never as big a fan of some of the evils taking place in the church, nor the grandiose expenditures.

It's too bad she died a few years ago, because this likely would have been her favorite Pope.
 
2014-04-05 06:03:35 PM

DrewCurtisJr: jonnya: Semi relevant pic that a friend posted on Facebook this morning. I gave it a hearty 'like'-

That assumes you believe giving tax dollars to the government is the best way to help the poor.


Well insisting that they should be "bootstrappy" sure as hell isn't working.
 
2014-04-05 06:04:53 PM

Pattuq: The only way  Capitalism Communism is sustainable is if you immediately shut up anyone with other ideas.  There's a lot of propaganda dedicated to making sure everyone supports it, even though capitalism only benefits a small percentage of the population.


Even more true and practiced a lot more frequently..
 
2014-04-05 06:04:55 PM

Pattuq: The only way Capitalism is sustainable is if you immediately shut up anyone with other ideas.  There's a lot of propaganda dedicated to making sure everyone supports it, even though capitalism only benefits a small percentage of the population.


Both capitalism and communism are unsustainable in a modern information age, where the majority of the population can be easily educated to the abuses and fallacies of both pure systems.

The real solution lies in the middle, namely with regulated freedom of business, and social democratic policies which provide support structures for the poor, needy, and ill to prevent from creating a continual lower poverty-ridden class.
 
2014-04-05 06:07:29 PM

DrewCurtisJr: jonnya: Semi relevant pic that a friend posted on Facebook this morning. I gave it a hearty 'like'-

That assumes you believe giving tax dollars to the government is the best way to help the poor.


Got any better ideas?
 
2014-04-05 06:09:35 PM

Sgt Otter: "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a Communist."

- Hélder Câmara


Without poor people around, how will we get that warm fuzzy feeling in our heart about doing the right thing as we toss that dented outdated generic can of cream of lima bean soup into the food bank donation bin?
 
2014-04-05 06:10:34 PM

hardinparamedic: Pattuq: The only way Capitalism is sustainable is if you immediately shut up anyone with other ideas.  There's a lot of propaganda dedicated to making sure everyone supports it, even though capitalism only benefits a small percentage of the population.

Both capitalism and communism are unsustainable in a modern information age, where the majority of the population can be easily educated to the abuses and fallacies of both pure systems.

The real solution lies in the middle, namely with regulated freedom of business, and social democratic policies which provide support structures for the poor, needy, and ill to prevent from creating a continual lower poverty-ridden class.


Thanks to the internet many many many people have woken up that fact - we are getting screwed - and what's worse, on purpose. "The Man" is currently working very hard to make sure nothing changes or at least gets worse before it gets better, and boy is it working in the US.
 
2014-04-05 06:10:59 PM

jake_lex: I love how "conservatives" are rejecting both the President of the United States and the Pope and embracing the President of Russia.

We're through the derpy glass here, people.


No. These republicans have always been in favor of oppressing human rights and tormenting the poor. It's that sadism & cowardice that's buried deep into their very DNA that makes them republicans.

Just watch what happens if Putin ever does something nice for poor people. The rightards will turn on him in a nanosecond.
 
2014-04-05 06:11:14 PM

SilentStrider: Sad that he actually has to say that. That people's hearts are so hardened to the actual words of the Bible is dissappointing to see.


I doubt if many Christians have actually read the Bible, and of those that have few of them have tried to actually think about the contents.  Most Christians are so because their parents and communities said "you are a Christian," and they replied "ok!"  Their belief comes from years of older, wiser-seeming people telling them that this thing must be.  The only information they receive about the Bible and God is tenth-generation hand-me-down knowledge from their parents and sermons from a minister (if they even go to church at all).  The sermons have no context for them because they are unfamiliar with the source material.  The end result is people who claim they are Christian, believe strongly they are better than those who don't say the same, but have no idea what a Christian actually is.

Anyone who breaks the commandments and commits sins but insists they are still a Christian has no idea what they're talking about.  The religion doesn't work that way - you can't selectively follow the parts that sound nice.  It's all or nothing.
 
2014-04-05 06:11:53 PM

FunkOut: Sgt Otter: "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a Communist."

- Hélder Câmara

Without poor people around, how will we get that warm fuzzy feeling in our heart about doing the right thing as we toss that dented outdated generic can of cream of lima bean soup into the food bank donation bin?


Yeah fark charity, right?
 
2014-04-05 06:14:54 PM

TV's Vinnie: jake_lex: I love how "conservatives" are rejecting both the President of the United States and the Pope and embracing the President of Russia.

We're through the derpy glass here, people.

No. These republicans have always been in favor of oppressing human rights and tormenting the poor. It's that sadism & cowardice that's buried deep into their very DNA that makes them republicans.

Just watch what happens if Putin ever does something nice for poor people. The rightards will turn on him in a nanosecond.


I remember back in the 80s how Thatcher and Reagan thought those sick farks down in Argentina and Chile were just A-Okay for fighting communism by jailing, torturing, and murdering all those people suspected of being communists.
 
2014-04-05 06:15:07 PM

Pattuq: SilentStrider: Sad that he actually has to say that. That people's hearts are so hardened to the actual words of the Bible is dissappointing to see.

I doubt if many Christians have actually read the Bible, and of those that have few of them have tried to actually think about the contents.  Most Christians are so because their parents and communities said "you are a Christian," and they replied "ok!"  Their belief comes from years of older, wiser-seeming people telling them that this thing must be.  The only information they receive about the Bible and God is tenth-generation hand-me-down knowledge from their parents and sermons from a minister (if they even go to church at all).  The sermons have no context for them because they are unfamiliar with the source material.  The end result is people who claim they are Christian, believe strongly they are better than those who don't say the same, but have no idea what a Christian actually is.

Anyone who breaks the commandments and commits sins but insists they are still a Christian has no idea what they're talking about.  The religion doesn't work that way - you can't selectively follow the parts that sound nice.  It's all or nothing.


St Augustine thinks you're full of shiat
 
2014-04-05 06:15:22 PM

SilentStrider: Sad that he actually has to say that. That people's hearts are so hardened to the actual words of the Bible is dissappointing to see.


The average rightard has serious doubts about scriptures that speak about things like caring for those in poverty, or that the rich man has as much chance in getting into Heaven as a camel does getting through the eye of a needle. That's why they're just chucking King James out and starting work on their own Bible, which will have none of that kindness or compassion crap that rightards hate so much.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible

"And the Lord Thy GAWD sayeth, "Torment thine poor with great glee, for they are not of my Kingdom. To give them kindness is to invoke my wrath!" -- Limbaugh 3:16

www.spoonyexperiment.com
 
2014-04-05 06:15:28 PM

jonnya: Semi relevant pic that a friend posted on Facebook this morning. I gave it a hearty 'like'-
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Not Carter. Someone named John Fugelsang, apparently.
 
2014-04-05 06:15:40 PM

DrewCurtisJr: jonnya: Semi relevant pic that a friend posted on Facebook this morning. I gave it a hearty 'like'-

That assumes you believe giving tax dollars to the government is the best way to help the poor.


Well it doesn't really qualify the notion with a better/best concept, but government tax dollars are a fine way to do it (food stamps, public schools, medi-care. section 8, etc, etc.), no? In my mind that's a prefered use of tax dollars over mega-wars and corporate subsidies. It also assumes that one pays taxes.

 I live in a crappy neighborhood in Jersey City/NYC. I have direct access to quite a few poor folk. I give a buck or two here and there to those who ask- but I'm not thinking that it's an alternative to gov't funded programs. Why not both?
 
2014-04-05 06:16:23 PM
Communism and capitalism are divided on the issue of ownership of property: essentially, capitalism goes with sole ownership that can only be transferred by consent, and communism goes with whoever is  using the property in a productive capacity sharing equal partial ownership.

Taking care of the poor is not an issue of property ownership, there are communist nations that haven't really given a flying fark about the poor (notably China) and capitalist countries that invest quite heavily into social safety nets (the UK and the US, despite the protests of right-wingers).   Most modern nations of both types of economy invest pretty heavily into poverty assistance, either because a large healthy pool of workers is vital or from genuine philosophical conviction (or some mix of the two).

Hell, outright dictatorships where neither kind of economy apply, like the demesne of the Sauds, invest pretty heavily in the old bread 'n circuses too.
 
2014-04-05 06:16:27 PM
Jesus is a communist. We read karl marx in catholic high school.
 
2014-04-05 06:16:36 PM

Frank N Stein: FunkOut: Sgt Otter: "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a Communist."

- Hélder Câmara

Without poor people around, how will we get that warm fuzzy feeling in our heart about doing the right thing as we toss that dented outdated generic can of cream of lima bean soup into the food bank donation bin?

Yeah fark charity, right?


The point, she is flying over your head like an albatross.
 
2014-04-05 06:18:18 PM

MayoSlather: It's ridiculous that anyone that comes out to say that "Hey, umm maybe there are a bunch of flaws in capitalism that we need to shore up so it works better" that the instantaneous response is to call them a commie socialist totalitarian.

The Pope's continued message should be, capitalism is a tool to use in the economy to increase the quality of life for all, however by itself it's not a perfect system. We can do better.


And the rich right don't want true capitalism. They want state to fund the risk while they reap the rewards.
 
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