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2014-04-05 12:45:06 PM  
Who needs a camera? That's just giving evidence.
 
2014-04-05 12:56:44 PM  
Eh, when you have a kid, you might be a little unhappy about some guy taking photos of them with a telephoto lens while they play in the park.

Someone should have just gone over and talked to him, but he could also have gone over and talked to the coach to explain what was what. He could have offered to share the photos with the team.
 
2014-04-05 01:05:19 PM  
Who DOESN'T have a camera these days?
 
2014-04-05 01:13:23 PM  

lostcat: taking photos of them with a telephoto lens while they play in the park.


NAKED? Because why else would a pedo bother? Considering what you can get online for free, especially.

Maybe he's not a pervert, just a hobbyist. And maybe the parents should pay him for prints.
 
2014-04-05 01:35:20 PM  
Only if you're male.
 
2014-04-05 01:35:56 PM  

The One True TheDavid: lostcat: taking photos of them with a telephoto lens while they play in the park.

NAKED? Because why else would a pedo bother? Considering what you can get online for free, especially.

Maybe he's not a pervert, just a hobbyist. And maybe the parents should pay him for prints.


Have a kid.

Watch a stranger shooting photos of your kid through a 3-foot long telephoto lens.

Tell me that doesn't bother you.
 
2014-04-05 01:55:50 PM  

propasaurus: Only if you're male.

 
2014-04-05 01:59:09 PM  
Parents are why I hate kids

/mostly
 
2014-04-05 02:13:16 PM  

lostcat: The One True TheDavid: lostcat: taking photos of them with a telephoto lens while they play in the park.

NAKED? Because why else would a pedo bother? Considering what you can get online for free, especially.

Maybe he's not a pervert, just a hobbyist. And maybe the parents should pay him for prints.

Have a kid.


From TFA:

Some parents we found Friday on Signal Mountain call the email chain an overreaction that could have cost Hohimer his reputation.
"I think if they would have just talked to him and seen that he was no problem. I think sometimes when people overreact, they hurt other people for no reason," says Jan Smith.


Watch a stranger shooting photos of your kid through a 3-foot long telephoto lens.

Openly? In broad daylight? In a public park?With both hands on his camera? At a Little League game? When everybody within 100 yards is fully dressed? "Whut a purvurt. Imma git mah shoot'n' arn."

Really?


Tell me that doesn't bother you.

Are you female? I've heard from other mothers that being pregnant and having kids really warps your brain.

If you're male, WTF is wrong with you? You don't even have that excuse.

When people raise their eyebrows at me because I say was never even truly tempted to have kids, it's nice to have people like you to point at as an example of "I won't let that happen to ME, no way."

You know there are these guys. Who use cameras. Who work at TV stations & newspapers & magazines. Who get paid to go to professional sports games and photograph what goes on. Including sometimes people in the crowd. Sometimes little kids. I can't wait till you're consistent enough to leap the guardrails and go charging with a knife at some shlub stringer for Sports Illustrated. "His camera was pointed near a CHILD! He must DIE DIE DIE!!!"

And may the batboy brain you.
 
2014-04-05 03:03:52 PM  

lostcat: Have a kid.

Watch a stranger shooting photos of your kid

a baseball game through a 3-foot long telephoto lens.

Tell me that doesn't bother you.


Nope.
 
2014-04-05 03:04:28 PM  
Dunno why that line broke, there, but.. whatev.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-05 03:46:59 PM  
I have walked past a little league field with a big lens so I'm getting a kick out of the pounding on my door and cries of "police! open up!" right now.
 
2014-04-05 03:48:33 PM  
The guy that sent the fearmongering email should be sued. No two ways about it.
 
2014-04-05 04:46:22 PM  

propasaurus: Only if you're male.


gifmansion.com

/never mind the fact that the majority of child molestation is perpetrated by a family member or a family friend. Stranger Danger? More like Parent Peril.
 
2014-04-05 04:55:34 PM  

ZAZ: I have walked past a little league field with a big lens so I'm getting a kick out of the pounding on my door and cries of "police! open up!" right now.


This isn't a penis thread.
 
2014-04-05 05:00:04 PM  
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"Ha!  Mind if I use that one?  Eh, I'm just kidding with you.  I ain't saying shiat."
 
2014-04-05 05:20:47 PM  
So how do the libel laws work in the US? I would have thought our friend Chicken Little had just made a big mistake.
 
2014-04-05 05:22:31 PM  
Photographer was just an asshole, taking pictures of people without asking permission. Assholes shouldn't be surprised when being an asshole has consequences.

/not generally illegal
/very much assholic
/underage target doesn't help either
 
2014-04-05 05:22:39 PM  
All girls are whores, never forgive, never forget.
 
2014-04-05 05:23:03 PM  

lostcat: The One True TheDavid: lostcat: taking photos of them with a telephoto lens while they play in the park.

NAKED? Because why else would a pedo bother? Considering what you can get online for free, especially.

Maybe he's not a pervert, just a hobbyist. And maybe the parents should pay him for prints.

Have a kid.

Watch a stranger shooting photos of your kid through a 3-foot long telephoto lens.

Tell me that doesn't bother you.


You sound very afraid and paranoid
 
2014-04-05 05:24:17 PM  
FTFA "We didn't find any prior criminal history, any registry, on any kind of predator list or anything like that," says Captain Scott Ogrodowczyk from the Signal Mountain Police Department.

Or actual evidence of any wrong doing that would of led you to do a criminal background check on the guy.

/idiots
 
2014-04-05 05:25:29 PM  
This is Murca... any man not attractive and not accompanied by a chaperon female is considered a suspect, creepy, probably child molesting criminal. Where have you been, subby?
 
2014-04-05 05:25:37 PM  
It's true, you want a woman who is a whore on Saturday night, but a nun in church the next morning.
 
2014-04-05 05:26:32 PM  

lostcat: Have a kid.

Watch a stranger shooting photos of your kid through a 3-foot long telephoto lens.

Tell me that doesn't bother you.


You know what bothers me?  Being asked what my relation to my nephew is by some moron while taking him to see a play at the childrens theatre.
 
2014-04-05 05:27:51 PM  
...Why do I have Girls on Film playing in my head after reading that headline?
 
2014-04-05 05:29:09 PM  
Nowhere in that article does it say that he had a telephoto lens.

I point that out because the last time I got a new lens it was a fast lens.  These are particularly fun to use at sporting events because you can catch people running, batting, pitching, sliding, etc. without a blur.

Y'all who are obsessed with lens length -- you sound kind perverted to me.
 
2014-04-05 05:29:31 PM  

lostcat: The One True TheDavid: lostcat: taking photos of them with a telephoto lens while they play in the park.

NAKED? Because why else would a pedo bother? Considering what you can get online for free, especially.

Maybe he's not a pervert, just a hobbyist. And maybe the parents should pay him for prints.

Have a kid.

Watch a stranger shooting photos of your kid through a 3-foot long telephoto lens.

Tell me that doesn't bother you.


Didn't something like that happen in Dexter?

On another, note:

Sky News did this "experiment" a week or 2 ago (or maybe they just reported on it).  They sent a young girl into a shopping mall and had her look "lost".  I don't remember how young, but under 10 for sure.  Almost no one stopped to try to help her.  A number of people actively tried to avoid her, especially the males.

As a male, I definitely don't want to be seen approaching a young kid in public even if they look like they need help for fear of being suspected of being a pedo.
 
2014-04-05 05:34:54 PM  

gingerjet: lostcat: Have a kid.

Watch a stranger shooting photos of your kid through a 3-foot long telephoto lens.

Tell me that doesn't bother you.

You know what bothers me?  Being asked what my relation to my nephew is by some moron while taking him to see a play at the childrens theatre.



The only answer to that is "none of your goddamn business.  Fark off"
 
2014-04-05 05:36:20 PM  

gfid: lostcat: The One True TheDavid: lostcat: taking photos of them with a telephoto lens while they play in the park.

NAKED? Because why else would a pedo bother? Considering what you can get online for free, especially.

Maybe he's not a pervert, just a hobbyist. And maybe the parents should pay him for prints.

Have a kid.

Watch a stranger shooting photos of your kid through a 3-foot long telephoto lens.

Tell me that doesn't bother you.

Didn't something like that happen in Dexter?

On another, note:

Sky News did this "experiment" a week or 2 ago (or maybe they just reported on it).  They sent a young girl into a shopping mall and had her look "lost".  I don't remember how young, but under 10 for sure.  Almost no one stopped to try to help her.  A number of people actively tried to avoid her, especially the males.

As a male, I definitely don't want to be seen approaching a young kid in public even if they look like they need help for fear of being suspected of being a pedo.


No shiat.

If there's a puppy and a child in the road, a truck is barreling toward them, and you only have time to save one, you save the puppy because no one will try to get you arrested for running away suspiciously with a puppy.

If you're male, you are always guilty if in the vicinity of a child. Stay away from them. The true stranger danger is if you're a man and are seen anywhere near a child that you don't have a birth certificate for with your name signed on it as the father, and 5,000 photos chronicling your involvement with them from the time they popped out of the womb until five minutes ago.
 
2014-04-05 05:37:24 PM  

Tillmaster: So how do the libel laws work in the US? I would have thought our friend Chicken Little had just made a big mistake.


I'm pretty sure telling the police that you find someone suspicious usually just counts as "an honest statement," even if the suspicion is ill-founded.
 
2014-04-05 05:39:43 PM  

oukewldave: gingerjet: lostcat: Have a kid.

Watch a stranger shooting photos of your kid through a 3-foot long telephoto lens.

Tell me that doesn't bother you.

You know what bothers me?  Being asked what my relation to my nephew is by some moron while taking him to see a play at the childrens theatre.


The only answer to that is "none of your goddamn business.  Fark off"


Too much effort and angst. No response is required.

In that mall experiment did no one try to find a uniformed guard or cop? That's what I would have done.
 
2014-04-05 05:40:00 PM  

lostcat: Eh, when you have a kid, you might be a little unhappy about some guy taking photos of them with a telephoto lens while they play in the park.

Someone should have just gone over and talked to him, but he could also have gone over and talked to the coach to explain what was what. He could have offered to share the photos with the team.


Yep, he might have, but I would have deleted the files and told 'em to fark off.  Unbelievable.

Best policy with kids is to simply pretend they don't exist, don't even look at 'em unless it's to avoid running 'em over or something.  If I'm alone, as a male, I would never approach a child for any reason, even one in obvious distress.  Not without at least ONE witness, not even worth the risk with all the video cameras out there today, and the way kids are told to report touching.
 
2014-04-05 05:40:19 PM  
One day soon one one will be able to do or say shiat.

Speak your mind and you're called a bully, help a kid who has skinned their knee and you're a perv.
 
2014-04-05 05:41:54 PM  

office_despot: Nowhere in that article does it say that he had a telephoto lens.

I point that out because the last time I got a new lens it was a fast lens.  These are particularly fun to use at sporting events because you can catch people running, batting, pitching, sliding, etc. without a blur.

Y'all who are obsessed with lens length -- you sound kind perverted to me.


Fast autofocus?  Otherwise I can't see how a lens can be "fast."
 
2014-04-05 05:43:19 PM  
Let's be honest, I'm a child predator even without a camera.
 
2014-04-05 05:44:53 PM  

Far Cough: Photographer was just an asshole, taking pictures of people without asking permission. Assholes shouldn't be surprised when being an asshole has consequences.

/not generally illegal
/very much assholic
/underage target doesn't help either


there is no expectation of privacy in public places... you're an asshole if you demand that others refrain from taking pictures of a public event.
 
2014-04-05 05:45:39 PM  
Oh boo farking hoo people. This is a completely understandable reaction to millennia of children getting abused by family, friends, and strangers. A balance can be reached, but I think a little more awareness of how easily kids can be hurt isn't a bad thing. The eggshells won't hurt your feet I promise.
 
2014-04-05 05:47:08 PM  

gfid: lostcat: The One True TheDavid: lostcat: taking photos of them with a telephoto lens while they play in the park.

NAKED? Because why else would a pedo bother? Considering what you can get online for free, especially.

Maybe he's not a pervert, just a hobbyist. And maybe the parents should pay him for prints.

Have a kid.

Watch a stranger shooting photos of your kid through a 3-foot long telephoto lens.

Tell me that doesn't bother you.

Didn't something like that happen in Dexter?

On another, note:

Sky News did this "experiment" a week or 2 ago (or maybe they just reported on it).  They sent a young girl into a shopping mall and had her look "lost".  I don't remember how young, but under 10 for sure.  Almost no one stopped to try to help her.  A number of people actively tried to avoid her, especially the males.

As a male, I definitely don't want to be seen approaching a young kid in public even if they look like they need help for fear of being suspected of being a pedo.


That. Heart-wrenchingly, that.

A fairly prominent fear of mine is that I'm going to not regard someone, especially a child, that actually needs help and either be regarded as an asshole (which is exactly what my self-esteem needs right now) or worse, be "that guy" that did nothing when bad crap happened. All because I didn't want to be wrong and get called a pervert or pedo or whatever.
 
2014-04-05 05:47:19 PM  
d.yimg.com
 
2014-04-05 05:48:39 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: Far Cough: Photographer was just an asshole, taking pictures of people without asking permission. Assholes shouldn't be surprised when being an asshole has consequences.

/not generally illegal
/very much assholic
/underage target doesn't help either

there is no expectation of privacy in public places... you're an asshole if you demand that others refrain from taking pictures of a public event.


Really Mr. Douche? I said it was legal. You wouldn't appreciate that a stranger ask permission before training their camera at your family picnic or outdoor wedding? Lots of us normals would appreciate the courtesy.
 
2014-04-05 05:49:18 PM  

Lsherm: Otherwise I can't see how a lens can be "fast."


Read.
 
2014-04-05 05:49:46 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Who needs a camera? That's just giving evidence.


He should identify the people who accused him with out provocation.  Taking photos isn't provocation or every paparazzi on the planet would have been doing 40 long, years ago.  These people all need to be accused of some ludicrous crime for picking their noses.  Nothing educates like experience.
 
2014-04-05 05:50:05 PM  

Lsherm: office_despot: Nowhere in that article does it say that he had a telephoto lens.

I point that out because the last time I got a new lens it was a fast lens.  These are particularly fun to use at sporting events because you can catch people running, batting, pitching, sliding, etc. without a blur.

Y'all who are obsessed with lens length -- you sound kind perverted to me.

Fast autofocus?  Otherwise I can't see how a lens can be "fast."


Maybe you're joking, but the array of Internet search engines are your friend.
 
2014-04-05 05:51:53 PM  

lostcat: Eh, when you have a kid, you might be a little unhappy about some guy taking photos of them with a telephoto lens while they play in the park.


Uh no. It's a public place. Take all the photos you like.
 
2014-04-05 05:54:03 PM  
While I believe men are more likely to be accused of this sort of thing by a large margin, I will say that people are over-protective of children in general.  Sometimes to an insane degree.  When I was a 15 year old girl in high school, one day we were given disposable cameras and told to go out into the neighborhood and take pictures.  I took various pictures of buildings, trash, graffiti, etc. and then I came across a playground with young children playing in it.  I started to take pictures of them just thinking this will capture the spirit of the neighborhood or whatever the assignment was and next thing I know I have some woman running towards me yelling at me to stop.  She was screaming at the top of her lungs that I had NO RIGHT to take pictures of these kids and I needed to get the hell out of there.  It was the weirdest experience and I didn't really  understand it at the time, I barely understand it now.  I have no idea what she thought I was doing or why she thought some 15 year old girl was acting maliciously or if she thought I was a pervert or what, but it's one of those distinct memories I have that I think about from time to time in confusion.

Sometimes people just need to get a grip and stop seeing potential demons in everyone else.  On the other hand, I do understand wanting to protect children from predators, but there needs to be some common sense used as well.
 
2014-04-05 05:57:57 PM  
Yeah. These are the same tight-ass yuppie parents that have the megaphone or soccer ball along with their kid's name on the back window of their Yukon. Nothing like advertising your child's name to complete strangers.
 
2014-04-05 05:59:30 PM  

PillsHere: While I believe men are more likely to be accused of this sort of thing by a large margin, I will say that people are over-protective of children in general.  Sometimes to an insane degree.  When I was a 15 year old girl in high school, one day we were given disposable cameras and told to go out into the neighborhood and take pictures.  I took various pictures of buildings, trash, graffiti, etc. and then I came across a playground with young children playing in it.  I started to take pictures of them just thinking this will capture the spirit of the neighborhood or whatever the assignment was and next thing I know I have some woman running towards me yelling at me to stop.  She was screaming at the top of her lungs that I had NO RIGHT to take pictures of these kids and I needed to get the hell out of there.  It was the weirdest experience and I didn't really  understand it at the time, I barely understand it now.  I have no idea what she thought I was doing or why she thought some 15 year old girl was acting maliciously or if she thought I was a pervert or what, but it's one of those distinct memories I have that I think about from time to time in confusion.

Sometimes people just need to get a grip and stop seeing potential demons in everyone else.  On the other hand, I do understand wanting to protect children from predators, but there needs to be some common sense used as well.


Because you were discourteous to the children. You asked neither their permission nor their guardians. Is that truly so hard to grasp?

Many of history's great "candid" photographers asked permission of their subjects. This whole "fark you you're in public" attitude is somewhat new I think.
 
2014-04-05 05:59:53 PM  
I was documenting the destruction of an old historic building. Short lens and a park was just beyond it. I didn't notice if any kids were there. I was there for the building. Maybe 50 yards but probably less. I was using the wide angle part of the lens to get as much as I could in the shot. 18-55mm lens.

As I was walking home a cop pulls up. Pretty fast, IIRC. It turns out someone had called them and said I was taking pics of kids in the park. Even though I did not have to I showed the cop the pics.

Him: I don't see any kids.
Me: I don't either.

I did have a brick I picked up at the site for a keepsake. He didn't say anything about it though technically it was petty theft of a brick from public property.

Later on on my computer I saw I had indeed taken pics of kids in the park. They looked like dust spots on the sensor.

Some people are just paranoid.
 
2014-04-05 06:01:36 PM  

99.998er: Yeah. These are the same tight-ass yuppie parents that have the megaphone or soccer ball along with their kid's name on the back window of their Yukon. Nothing like advertising your child's name to complete strangers.


it would be great to start one of those stupid FW: FW: FW: FW ZOMG e-mail chains convincing people that predators are now targeting their victims thanks to those little stick figure families on the backs of SUVs.

If nothing else, it would get rid of those stupid things.
 
2014-04-05 06:01:55 PM  

Far Cough: Oh boo farking hoo people. This is a completely understandable reaction to millennia of children getting abused by family, friends, and strangers. A balance can be reached, but I think a little more awareness of how easily kids can be hurt isn't a bad thing. The eggshells won't hurt your feet I promise.


No, but the numerous death threats I've received for taking pictures of migratory birds might.

I've been in this guy's shoes. I track bird nesting with a 300mm lens. I walk every day and take a camera bag with me, and if I see something non-human that looks interesting, I take a shot of it.

One of the neighbors stood on the street corner for days and days pointing at my house and telling everyone I was a pedophile for taking pictures of children. I called the police after the death threats began, showed them all of my shots for the dates for which I was accused, pointed out that there were no deletions from the serial numbering, and that it's pretty much impossible to hack the serial numbers on Canon's proprietary system.

The police ran a wants/warrants check and informed the slanderer that I'd never had any problems with the law, and no humans at all, much less children, were in any of my photographs.

I still continue to get threats. Nobody will say anything to the original asshole because he's a veteran with PTSD.

Marcus Aurelius: Who DOESN'T have a camera these days?


It's not that they all have cameras. It's that they don't all have DSLRs.

If you have a relatively large 2-handed appliance that's designed solely to take high-quality photographs, you're instantly a pervert or a spy.

If you walk around with a tiny handheld device that allows you to take photos surreptitiously, you're just like everyone else.
 
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