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(LA Weekly)   Obama administration seeks to move Marijuana from Schedule 1 classification. Fark: It will require Congressional cooperation   (laweekly.com) divider line 126
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2014-04-05 10:27:17 AM  
Why the AG needs anything from congress to reschedule marijuana other than an excuse to continue doing nothing is unclear. Treaties just require it remains a controlled substance. Holder could be going with the standard approach of appearing to want to do something or wanting to blame the house republicans for blocking him but the law does not seem to require it. A mid-terms run up stunt is the most likely answer. The link goes to the law on what only AG Holder has to do. A report and request to lower the schedule have been already submitted with accompanying report supporting the lowering and all they require is a signature from Holder.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/811
 
2014-04-05 11:06:33 AM  

eurotrader: Why the AG needs anything from congress to reschedule marijuana other than an excuse to continue doing nothing is unclear. Treaties just require it remains a controlled substance. Holder could be going with the standard approach of appearing to want to do something or wanting to blame the house republicans for blocking him but the law does not seem to require it. A mid-terms run up stunt is the most likely answer. The link goes to the law on what only AG Holder has to do. A report and request to lower the schedule have been already submitted with accompanying report supporting the lowering and all they require is a signature from Holder.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/811


Having congress come out against rescheduling it would be great for driving the youth vote to the polls in 2014.  frkkit- the GOP pioneered using the wedge issue to drive turnout.  This looks to be one of those goose/gander situations.
 
2014-04-05 11:12:15 AM  

unyon: eurotrader: Why the AG needs anything from congress to reschedule marijuana other than an excuse to continue doing nothing is unclear. Treaties just require it remains a controlled substance. Holder could be going with the standard approach of appearing to want to do something or wanting to blame the house republicans for blocking him but the law does not seem to require it. A mid-terms run up stunt is the most likely answer. The link goes to the law on what only AG Holder has to do. A report and request to lower the schedule have been already submitted with accompanying report supporting the lowering and all they require is a signature from Holder.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/811

Having congress come out against rescheduling it would be great for driving the youth vote to the polls in 2014.  frkkit- the GOP pioneered using the wedge issue to drive turnout.  This looks to be one of those goose/gander situations.


This. They don't care about substantive reform.
 
2014-04-05 11:19:34 AM  
The real fun from rescheduling would be the full faith and credit part. If rescheduled then medical marijuana patients could receive a prescription instead of a recommendation from a Doctor and states are supposed to recognize prescription from licensed providers from other states so having a red card would mean being able to travel anywhere in the US and  carry meds.
 
2014-04-05 12:21:43 PM  
Good. Should have been done a long while ago.

If it becomes a wedge issue, all the better to drive the Idiot Brigade out of the process.
 
2014-04-05 01:36:02 PM  
Requires Congress's help?
Never going to happen.
 
2014-04-05 01:41:24 PM  
Shifting a drug around requires consent of the Parliament? But I was informed that the ChairMAO was the Hitlerist Hitler that ever Hitlered a Worse than Hitler.

WORST EMPEROR EVER.
 
2014-04-05 01:47:46 PM  
Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.
 
2014-04-05 01:48:15 PM  
So, now I guess he's just Fartbong.

i595.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-05 02:08:54 PM  
FTFA: "...it would be hard for us to believe Republicans would support some medical legitimacy for pot in a Tea Party world. "
Hold on now, I thought the Tea Party were libertarian.  If they resist this, they are just like those guys who think the bible is against homosexuality, but eat pork, get divorced, touch women during that time of month...etc.  IF so, then hypocrites.
 
2014-04-05 02:09:55 PM  
Oh yes the Attorney General providing promotion of the drug addiction and overdosing is always the greatest of the ideas.
 
2014-04-05 02:10:00 PM  

Nabb1: This. They don't care about substantive reform.


Nobody in congress cares about that. Every move every politician makes, democrat or republican, is all about reelection and pandering to donors.
 
2014-04-05 02:10:25 PM  

BravadoGT: Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.


An excuse to use if something goes wrong after rescheduling?
 
2014-04-05 02:11:25 PM  
Fartbongo will have the support of the libertarians in this.
 
2014-04-05 02:12:19 PM  
If obama wanted to he could just issue a executive order to the fda since it falls under the executive branch.
 
2014-04-05 02:13:28 PM  

BravadoGT: Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.


Politics. If they reclassify then Republicans have to oppose it.  They can't let Obama do anything useful without opposing it on racist grounds.
 
2014-04-05 02:14:25 PM  

rev. dave: FTFA: "...it would be hard for us to believe Republicans would support some medical legitimacy for pot in a Tea Party world. "
Hold on now, I thought the Tea Party were libertarian.  If they resist this, they are just like those guys who think the bible is against homosexuality, but eat pork, get divorced, touch women during that time of month...etc.  IF so, then hypocrites.


Right, but a higher priority than personal freedom is never, ever, ever, admitting that a Democrat is doing the right thing.
 
2014-04-05 02:14:29 PM  

meow said the dog: Oh yes the Attorney General providing promotion of the drug addiction and overdosing is always the greatest of the ideas.


Wut?  Overdosing of what?  Hubris?
 
2014-04-05 02:15:13 PM  
This is little more than a trolling attempt to try and get the GOP to try and oppose it because fark it Obummer is for it.

The FDA does NOT need congressional approval to change a drug.

Anyone wanna shop trollface on the POTUS or AG?
 
2014-04-05 02:15:30 PM  

BravadoGT: Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.


He is probably hoping to use House GOP obstructionist objectives to swing the Libertarian vote towards Dems in the midterms. It's a smart move, from a political strategy standpoint.
 
2014-04-05 02:16:12 PM  

rev. dave: FTFA: "...it would be hard for us to believe Republicans would support some medical legitimacy for pot in a Tea Party world. "
Hold on now, I thought the Tea Party were libertarian.  If they resist this, they are just like those guys who think the bible is against homosexuality, but eat pork, get divorced, touch women during that time of month...etc.  IF so, then hypocrites.


I thought that was an unnecessarily snarky comment in what at first seemed like a news article. I was also under the impression that tea parties were more libertarian than Puritan
 
2014-04-05 02:16:55 PM  
If this happens, all those marijuana heads will start snorting heroin. Gateway drug & all that.
 
2014-04-05 02:17:28 PM  

BravadoGT: Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.


To nail down specific Congresscritters on their vote. It's called strategy. You get a vote that will cast these strong, freedom loving, Libertarian loving souls voting against something that they claim to support. I will not be surprised if the House tries to bury their turn on this.
 
2014-04-05 02:17:58 PM  

The Book Was Better: rev. dave: FTFA: "...it would be hard for us to believe Republicans would support some medical legitimacy for pot in a Tea Party world. "
Hold on now, I thought the Tea Party were libertarian.  If they resist this, they are just like those guys who think the bible is against homosexuality, but eat pork, get divorced, touch women during that time of month...etc.  IF so, then hypocrites.

I thought that was an unnecessarily snarky comment in what at first seemed like a news article. I was also under the impression that tea parties were more libertarian than Puritan


The tea party is about using religion to justify their control.  True libertarians don't want to control anything.  We're about leaving you the fark alone as long as you cause no harm to the life, liberty or property of others through fraud or force.
 
2014-04-05 02:20:52 PM  

Isitoveryet: If this happens, all those marijuana heads will start snorting heroin. Gateway drug & all that.


Exactly!
 
2014-04-05 02:22:32 PM  
Inhale to the Chief!
 
2014-04-05 02:23:07 PM  

hubiestubert: BravadoGT: Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.

To nail down specific Congresscritters on their vote. It's called strategy. You get a vote that will cast these strong, freedom loving, Libertarian loving souls voting against something that they claim to support. I will not be surprised if the House tries to bury their turn on this.


Yes, petty politics, awesome.

Requiring Congressional approval is the surest way to get nothing to happen.
 
2014-04-05 02:24:08 PM  
The recent and rapid mainstreaming and legitimization of marijuana is taking all the fun out of it.

/ time to start smoking crack
 
2014-04-05 02:25:23 PM  

rev. dave: meow said the dog: Oh yes the Attorney General providing promotion of the drug addiction and overdosing is always the greatest of the ideas.

Wut?  Overdosing of what?  Hubris?


I just OD'd on stupidity just now...
 
2014-04-05 02:26:07 PM  
Well, President Obama has played political games with civil rights issues in the past, and managed to get a win. Maybe he'll go three for three on this, although it seems like more of an uphill battle.
As others have noted, he could just direct the FDA to change the classification. There would be screaming about abuse of executive power, but that is a legitimate use of it, to direct an executive agency.
 
2014-04-05 02:26:36 PM  
meow said the dog:

I know you were joking... : )
 
2014-04-05 02:26:42 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Fartbongo will have the support of the libertarians in this.


Yep. I'm a libertarian and I fully support this.
 
2014-04-05 02:29:20 PM  
Wait til it's legal all across the country, and we can see what good things drug money can buy.
 
2014-04-05 02:30:22 PM  

Isitoveryet: If this happens, all those marijuana heads will start snorting heroin. Gateway drug & all that.


I always "getaway drug"

/sorry
//meow said the infecting my brain
 
2014-04-05 02:34:14 PM  
Forked Tongues:

The Yakima tribe decided to ban pot on their lands including adjacent hunting areas recently.
Here's an insight as to why:
The issue is all Forked up.

Issue no 1 is the Forked communication and Legal policy;

Wa state says is ok, lets make money,

Wa DC says it aint ok, its a sch. 1 narcotic; and they wont let pot into the banking sys, it is still a class 1 drug felony by the books;

Listen Up!
use & possession bars a person from owning or carrying guns and ammo, possibly other weapons; & etc. This is Federal Law!

If anyone knows the dangers of Fork Tongue syndrome it would be The Tribal Elders, amirite?

Issue #2 is that if it is only a medicine [classification], then constant casual use degenerates it as a medicine. That is another Fork.

It is also a trap. by allowing pot in Wa & Col. & other with states medical pot, a list is being added to by the hour... all the invisible users are now [or will be soon] in the database. wink-wink

Legal means that it has the same status as a vegetable that you can pick roadside, grow in your garden or casually buy in the grocery store, like lettuce or cigarettes..

Another issue is that people aren't satisfied with legal pot, but now they want to concentrate it into a powerful narcotic, using poisons & dangerous chemicals. Yet another Fork

This is why we can't have nice things!

Folks, listen to your Elders! Their wisdom can save you a lot of money and grief!

The additional lands [where they want to enforce the ban] are to be used by the Tribe by treaty, therefore they have a right to govern any activity which would interfere with that useage right.

A young hothead or old sleeper wielding a gun, bow, vehicle while under the influence of pot or some powerful pot based concoction is extremely hazardous to wildlife and humans, and vastly increases fire danger.

Such as; halfway back on the 15 mile hike down the mountainside, just before sundown.., dude! did we put out the fire completely? i smell smoke!


as long as WDC says its illegal, then anyone using or possessing is at an unacceptable risk. The Elders are wise to steer clear of such a trap.

AaaaanD so are YOU!
 
2014-04-05 02:36:51 PM  

JSTACAT: Forked Tongues:

The Yakima tribe decided to ban pot on their lands including adjacent hunting areas recently.
Here's an insight as to why:
The issue is all Forked up.

Issue no 1 is the Forked communication and Legal policy;

Wa state says is ok, lets make money,

Wa DC says it aint ok, its a sch. 1 narcotic; and they wont let pot into the banking sys, it is still a class 1 drug felony by the books;

Listen Up!
use & possession bars a person from owning or carrying guns and ammo, possibly other weapons; & etc. This is Federal Law!

If anyone knows the dangers of Fork Tongue syndrome it would be The Tribal Elders, amirite?

Issue #2 is that if it is only a medicine [classification], then constant casual use degenerates it as a medicine. That is another Fork.

It is also a trap. by allowing pot in Wa & Col. & other with states medical pot, a list is being added to by the hour... all the invisible users are now [or will be soon] in the database. wink-wink

Legal means that it has the same status as a vegetable that you can pick roadside, grow in your garden or casually buy in the grocery store, like lettuce or cigarettes..

Another issue is that people aren't satisfied with legal pot, but now they want to concentrate it into a powerful narcotic, using poisons & dangerous chemicals. Yet another Fork

This is why we can't have nice things!

Folks, listen to your Elders! Their wisdom can save you a lot of money and grief!

The additional lands [where they want to enforce the ban] are to be used by the Tribe by treaty, therefore they have a right to govern any activity which would interfere with that useage right.

A young hothead or old sleeper wielding a gun, bow, vehicle while under the influence of pot or some powerful pot based concoction is extremely hazardous to wildlife and humans, and vastly increases fire danger.

Such as; halfway back on the 15 mile hike down the mountainside, just before sundown.., dude! did we put out the fire completely? i smell smoke!

...


You're high right now, aren't you?
 
2014-04-05 02:38:56 PM  

sendtodave: You're high right now, aren't you?


I think I got high reading that. . .


/Wheee!
 
2014-04-05 02:39:28 PM  
Reefer Madness!!!

I'm actually interested in seeing what congress does.  Should be interesting.
 
2014-04-05 02:39:47 PM  

LeroyBourne: Wait til it's legal all across the country, and we can see what good things drug money can buy.


The cops already know what drug money can buy. Big police stations, helicopters, UAVs, machine guns, all kinds of military toys, sports cars painted as police cars to cruise in, etc.

So, anything that punches them in the dick, repeatedly, until they pass out from the pain and die is a good thing.
 
2014-04-05 02:41:00 PM  
images.wikia.com
 
2014-04-05 02:42:13 PM  

neongoats: sports cars painted as police cars to cruise in


Heh. Years back, I had a state Trooper in a 5.0 Mustang challenge me and my Grand National to a race. He decided they needed faster pursuit cars.

/Friend of the family, so no he didn't jack me up afterwards, he was a graceful loser
 
2014-04-05 02:42:24 PM  
Getting marijuana on the ballot is the Democrats plan to get young voters to turn out in the mid-term elections, which is why George Soros has dropped $80 million in support and John Morgan is pushing it in Florida to get his boy Charlie Crist re-elected.
 
2014-04-05 02:46:28 PM  
Most of the Tea Party is in favor of legal pot.  It's the old-line conservatives led by Boner that are funded by the big drug companies and the prison industry that violently oppose legalization.
 
2014-04-05 02:47:39 PM  

Boojum2k: neongoats: sports cars painted as police cars to cruise in

Heh. Years back, I had a state Trooper in a 5.0 Mustang challenge me and my Grand National to a race. He decided they needed faster pursuit cars.

/Friend of the family, so no he didn't jack me up afterwards, he was a graceful loser


I think they should be stuck in smart cars, frankly. Pursuit is dangerous and unnecessary in 98% of situations. Stick em in those little things you see eastern European bobbys in.
 
2014-04-05 02:48:10 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: It's the old-line conservatives led by Boner that are funded by the big drug companies and the prison industry that violently oppose legalization.


Religious right. Basically, the guys who wrecked the GOP.
 
2014-04-05 02:49:55 PM  

Kevin Lomax: hubiestubert: BravadoGT: Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.

To nail down specific Congresscritters on their vote. It's called strategy. You get a vote that will cast these strong, freedom loving, Libertarian loving souls voting against something that they claim to support. I will not be surprised if the House tries to bury their turn on this.

Yes, petty politics, awesome.

Requiring Congressional approval is the surest way to get nothing to happen.


Don't hate the player.  Hate the game.
 
2014-04-05 02:50:26 PM  

StrikitRich: Getting marijuana on the ballot is the Democrats plan to get young voters to turn out in the mid-term elections, which is why George Soros has dropped $80 million in support and John Morgan is pushing it in Florida to get his boy Charlie Crist re-elected.


Considering the youth vote is usually 20% of the eligible young voters, and hasn't really trended above 30%, pinning a cause to the youth vote is usually the casual way to make it sound important while focusing few resources on it, and having an easy blame when it fails.
There's more than a few middle aged liberal Democrats, libertarians, and even moderate Repubs who support it, a better strategy would be pushing the issue with these larger voting blocks.

Or, you know, telling the FDA to change the classification.
 
2014-04-05 02:54:10 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-05 02:54:44 PM  

neongoats: Boojum2k: neongoats: sports cars painted as police cars to cruise in

Heh. Years back, I had a state Trooper in a 5.0 Mustang challenge me and my Grand National to a race. He decided they needed faster pursuit cars.

/Friend of the family, so no he didn't jack me up afterwards, he was a graceful loser

I think they should be stuck in smart cars, frankly. Pursuit is dangerous and unnecessary in 98% of situations. Stick em in those little things you see eastern European bobbys in.


Nah, I don't want legitimate response times and the occasional necessary pursuit hampered. But computer logging of all speeds and relation to a call, traffic stop, or pursuit, made publically available would work.
Suggested part of a new contract with the police union: We're going to be writing up officers for lighting up to run a traffic light outside of a call, speeding, and other offenses for six months, to get them used to the idea. After that, they will be terminated for those actions. Talk to your people if you don't want to lose them.
 
2014-04-05 02:55:46 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Most of the Tea Party is in favor of legal pot.  It's the old-line conservatives led by Boner that are funded by the big drug companies and the prison industry that violently oppose legalization.


Not to mention the last Libertarian Presidential nominee was Gary Johnson, the former governor of New Mexico, who admitted to using marijuana illegally for medical propose. He also help spearhead the NM medical marijuana program.
 
2014-04-05 02:57:06 PM  

tjsands1118: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Most of the Tea Party is in favor of legal pot.  It's the old-line conservatives led by Boner that are funded by the big drug companies and the prison industry that violently oppose legalization.

Not to mention the last Libertarian Presidential nominee was Gary Johnson, the former governor of New Mexico, who admitted to using marijuana illegally for medical propose. He also help spearhead the NM medical marijuana program.


We've had three Presidents in a row who admitted to using drugs, and it didn't ruin their lives. Maybe the same consideration can be shown to the rest of us, right?
 
2014-04-05 02:57:28 PM  

StrikitRich: Getting marijuana on the ballot is the Democrats plan to get young voters to turn out in the mid-term elections


But wouldn't all the stoners forget to vote and the old people would be more resolute about voting conservative? I think this line of thinking may back fire.
 
GBB
2014-04-05 02:57:35 PM  
It all comes down to marketing and presentation.

The reason why legalizing marijuana is so difficult is because of public perception.  It was never made illegal because it was harmful.  It was made illegal the same way alcohol was made illegal: because of the way people behaved while using it.  In the 20's, boozehounds were annoying as fark and the straights couldn't stand it.  Sure, you'll blame taxes as a financial motivation, and moonshine as a health concern.  But, it really comes down to flappers and drunks.  The only reason prohibition was repealed was because the behavior caused by prohibition was worse that before prohibition.  Look at how they regulated the shait out of it after repeal.

The stoners are basically causing the straights to freak out and the way they act override any health benefits that it actually provides.  Same with oxycontin.  It has legitimate uses, but once people start abusing it, selling it, and create a counter-culture around it, it gets shut down.

So, if anyone ever wants this "movement" to move along any faster, I would suggest finding a way to tone down the stoner attitude surrounding the issue.  Cheech & Chong, Harold & Kumar, and Jay & Silent Bob are not going to help anyone understand that marijuana helps chemo patients with their appetites.  And, no one is going to believe a legitimate drug comes in "flavors" like "Super Cush" and "Raspberry Delight" or requires a glass device in the shape of a naked dragon-woman hybrid to administer.

Sure, these things shouldn't matter, but they do.  You have the unfortunate task of convincing the squares that this stuff they hate and don't understand is harmless and has actual benefits.  Don't make your job harder.  Wise up a little.  Clean up the image, and I'll bet this would go a lot smoother and faster.
 
2014-04-05 02:59:52 PM  
www.lapthorn.org
 
2014-04-05 03:00:32 PM  

Boojum2k: We've had three Presidents in a row who admitted to using drugs, and it didn't ruin their lives. Maybe the same consideration can be shown to the rest of us, right?


We don't know that. If Bush Jr had laid off the junk he may have gone into applied sciences instead of politics and perfected cold fusion.
 
2014-04-05 03:01:40 PM  

sendtodave: JSTACAT: Forked Tongues:

Such as; halfway back on the 15 mile hike down the mountainside, just before sundown.., dude! did we put out the fire completely? i smell smoke!

--You're high right now, aren't you?


What you mean high?
I don't need drugs, my body makes far better ones than plants or chemists.
Right now i am tripping on a pleasant, exhilarating mix of Adrenaline, Testosterone, dopamine, and oxytocin;
all naturally produced from the large bird i just ate.
Yeah, i am 8 miles off the earth, but its just a side effect of clean living and hard work in the field.

 When the politicians and govt got involved with pot, it took the fun right out of it.
fortunately, i have long ago outgrown the desire for external crutches, it is no loss or gain to me.
Its just a weird kabuki dance that i am watching...

I'm waiting for the main dancer to appear..
in full regalia, as befits our Fearless CMDR in Chief

img.fark.net
Dance Bro, Lead the Dance for us!
 
2014-04-05 03:02:12 PM  

Boojum2k: We've had three Presidents in a row who admitted to using drugs, and it didn't ruin their lives. Maybe the same consideration can be shown to the rest of us, right?


Don't you get it? They're rich. That makes them better than the rest of us. Laws are for poor people.
 
2014-04-05 03:05:54 PM  

meow said the dog: [i.imgur.com image 850x1164]


They forgot to add the painful bowel movements after spending the day digesting nothing but cheetos, taco bell, and mountain dew.

/for some reason it always gives me a severe urge to eat an insane amount of chocolate. especially milkshakes
/trying to incorporate healthy munchies instead
 
2014-04-05 03:06:35 PM  

GBB: It all comes down to marketing and presentation.


That couldn't hurt, and it certainly seems sensible.

However, I'd like to see the topic turn more towards personal freedom. As a society, have we learned nothing? Must we throw people into prison--at great cost to society and also thereby destroying their lives--simply because they're smoking pot?

IMHO, those questions should easily suffice as incentive for legalization. This should be a legislative "no brainer"... It'll be interesting to see who the authoritarians are, and what their pathetic excuses will be.
 
2014-04-05 03:06:50 PM  

wyltoknow: meow said the dog: [i.imgur.com image 850x1164]

They forgot to add the painful bowel movements after spending the day digesting nothing but cheetos, taco bell, and mountain dew.

/for some reason it always gives me a severe urge to eat an insane amount of chocolate. especially milkshakes
/trying to incorporate healthy munchies instead


I like Mott's granny smith flavored apple sauce, myself. And key lime flavored yogurt.
 
2014-04-05 03:08:13 PM  
Anybody that reads or watches a story about "Charlotte's Web" and doesn't support this is 100% an asshole.
 
2014-04-05 03:09:17 PM  

GBB: The reason why legalizing marijuana is so difficult is because of public perception.  It was never made illegal because it was harmful.  It was made illegal the same way alcohol was made illegal: because of the way people behaved while using it


Except you only hear about the assholes. No one ever hears about the stoners who smoke after work but you would never know they were stoners, of which I know a few myself.
 
2014-04-05 03:10:48 PM  

BravadoGT: Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.



The "won't you think of the children, puppies, prison industry" lobby would impeach him over it.

Not that they have anything to impeach him with, but they'd go through the motions anyhow, just to waste time and money.
 
2014-04-05 03:11:49 PM  

Pimparoo: Anybody that reads or watches a story about "Charlotte's Web" and doesn't support this is 100% an asshole.


I want to get a hold of that stuff.  I hate the feeling of being high, can't concentrate, can't do anything right, but I love the way weed smells and taste.  Some good CO Farker told me the strain is awesome, zero psychedelic effects.
 
2014-04-05 03:12:21 PM  

GBB: It was never made illegal because it was harmful.  It was made illegal the same way alcohol was made illegal: because of the way people behaved while using it.


Yeah, people became all Mexican when they smoked weed, and congress was looking for a way to deport all those mexicans.

Ever wonder where the "lazy mexican" stereotype came from?  The war on drugs.
 
2014-04-05 03:13:23 PM  

Destructor: Must we throw people into prison--at great cost to society and also thereby destroying their lives--simply because they're smoking pot?


It's amazing that you can get sent up and as you said, depending on your job, have your life destroyed for smoking weed in one state, cross a line on a map within our same country and you're cool. It's really rather insane.
 
2014-04-05 03:14:10 PM  

meow said the dog: [i.imgur.com image 850x1164]


That chart is interesting, and partially correct;
When i inhaled, i felt like a big pillow was stuffed into my head, instantaneously, i resisted and used a different part of my mind to assert control; medically described as aggression.
It is a form of emergency enlightenment, so that viability and self control is not lost.
Good exercise, it develops a certain mental muscle;
but, sadly too many people succumb to the narcotic, get fat, dumb, lazy, and learn nothing.

The whole idea in this exercise is to subjugate the drug, using the WILL.
Well for me;
its all about ME y' understand?
Subjugationimg.fark.net
That's my Thing
 
2014-04-05 03:16:15 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Most of the Tea Party is in favor of legal pot.  It's the old-line conservatives led by Boner that are funded by the big drug companies and the prison industry that violently oppose legalization.


Wrong. 38% of tea partiers support legal mmj. Which is higher than the 27% support amongst mainstream Republicans. But not "most"
 
2014-04-05 03:17:14 PM  
If they legalize pot, some businesses will lose customers.
www.afsc.org
 
2014-04-05 03:18:17 PM  
Might as well say that Obama seeks to travel faster than light. he jsut needed the laws of physics to alter themselves to make it possible using only a Ford Pinto.
 
2014-04-05 03:22:51 PM  

efgeise: BravadoGT: Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.

He is probably hoping to use House GOP obstructionist objectives to swing the Libertarian vote towards Dems in the midterms. It's a smart move, from a political strategy standpoint.


ahh...the "politics of old" he was going to lead us away from.....
 
2014-04-05 03:27:41 PM  

LeroyBourne: Pimparoo: Anybody that reads or watches a story about "Charlotte's Web" and doesn't support this is 100% an asshole.

I want to get a hold of that stuff.  I hate the feeling of being high, can't concentrate, can't do anything right, but I love the way weed smells and taste.  Some good CO Farker told me the strain is awesome, zero psychedelic effects.


You should probably just chew stems for the taste without getting high, and leave the medicine supplies for the kids with epilepsy.
 
2014-04-05 03:32:46 PM  

LeroyBourne: Pimparoo: Anybody that reads or watches a story about "Charlotte's Web" and doesn't support this is 100% an asshole.

I want to get a hold of that stuff.  I hate the feeling of being high, can't concentrate, can't do anything right, but I love the way weed smells and taste.  Some good CO Farker told me the strain is awesome, zero psychedelic effects.


Back in the eighties a local entrepreneur went north to Kansas and came back with Hefty bags full of the most beautiful, skunky, albeit worthless, ditch weed buds. A few buddies and I pitched in and bought an ounce. What a disappointment that was.
 
2014-04-05 03:36:52 PM  

GBB: It all comes down to marketing and presentation.

The reason why legalizing marijuana is so difficult is because of public perception.  It was never made illegal because it was harmful.  It was made illegal the same way alcohol was made illegal: because of the way people behaved while using it.  In the 20's, boozehounds were annoying as fark and the straights couldn't stand it.  Sure, you'll blame taxes as a financial motivation, and moonshine as a health concern.  But, it really comes down to flappers and drunks.  The only reason prohibition was repealed was because the behavior caused by prohibition was worse that before prohibition.  Look at how they regulated the shait out of it after repeal.

The stoners are basically causing the straights to freak out and the way they act override any health benefits that it actually provides.  Same with oxycontin.  It has legitimate uses, but once people start abusing it, selling it, and create a counter-culture around it, it gets shut down.

So, if anyone ever wants this "movement" to move along any faster, I would suggest finding a way to tone down the stoner attitude surrounding the issue.  Cheech & Chong, Harold & Kumar, and Jay & Silent Bob are not going to help anyone understand that marijuana helps chemo patients with their appetites.  And, no one is going to believe a legitimate drug comes in "flavors" like "Super Cush" and "Raspberry Delight" or requires a glass device in the shape of a naked dragon-woman hybrid to administer.

Sure, these things shouldn't matter, but they do.  You have the unfortunate task of convincing the squares that this stuff they hate and don't understand is harmless and has actual benefits.  Don't make your job harder.  Wise up a little.  Clean up the image, and I'll bet this would go a lot smoother and faster.


It won't matter how it's marketed and presented when the people against it fall back ok those stereotypes regardless.

Marijuana eases the pain of chemo. "Haha stupid stoners!"

Marijuana helps epileptic seizures. "Got the munchies stoner?"

It doesn't matter how you market the legalization movement, the anti-legalization people are going to argue against it based on their preconceived notions concerning "stoners".
 
2014-04-05 03:37:17 PM  
FTA:
"Strangely, DEA chief Michele Leonhart has been making bizarre statements about weed this week.
First she said that voters in Colorado and Washington were essentially coerced into voting to legalize recreational pot. She also said that Mexican drug cartels were infiltrating those states to prepare to sell marijuana at prices cheaper than one could find at a legal retailer.

Then she stated that people should be concerned about legalization because dogs were getting stoned and sick in Colorado as a result of that state's new recreational-pot sales.
One has to wonder, after the president has said he believes alcohol is more dangerous that weed, how long Leonhart is going to last in this Obama administration."

Looks like she has been testing it herself...
She needs to USE HER WILL, and dominate her toker high, so she can figger it out.

When it is completely legal, and the govt totally Ignores it.
Pretty much everyone else will do the same.

did our leaders smoke their way thru college?
Reverse psychology [i thought everyone over age 15 knew about that]
how does it werk?
 
2014-04-05 03:40:46 PM  

Pimparoo: LeroyBourne: Pimparoo: Anybody that reads or watches a story about "Charlotte's Web" and doesn't support this is 100% an asshole.

I want to get a hold of that stuff.  I hate the feeling of being high, can't concentrate, can't do anything right, but I love the way weed smells and taste.  Some good CO Farker told me the strain is awesome, zero psychedelic effects.

You should probably just chew stems for the taste without getting high, and leave the medicine supplies for the kids with epilepsy.


My goodness, the CO Farker that told me about the strain didn't indicate he had epilepsy, just that he was an aficionado of weed.  Lil bistid smoking all the medicine supplies.  Seriously, chill.  That's the great thing about all strains of weed, just grow more and more.  Enough for all.
 
2014-04-05 03:42:14 PM  

JSTACAT: Strangely, DEA chief Michele Leonhart has been making bizarre statements about weed this week.
First she said that voters in Colorado and Washington were essentially coerced into voting to legalize recreational pot. She also said that Mexican drug cartels were infiltrating those states to prepare to sell marijuana at prices cheaper than one could find at a legal retailer.


It's not that hard to understand. Put yourself in her shoes. Here you are, doing your job. It's a hard and thankless job... And then, without warning, CO and WA literally flip you the bird... And now there's talk that all the "good" you've done is actually "evil". How could that possibly be?

The loss of public support against marijuana has got to be driving the anti-drug people insane. If only there was some way they could take the edge off...
 
2014-04-05 03:43:41 PM  
Basically, the executive branch is sitting on its hands and not doing something purely out of politics.

Is this part of 'hope and change' or 'change we can believe in'?
 
2014-04-05 03:50:27 PM  
I'm high right now, so I'm getting a kick out of this awesome wax I just made.
 
2014-04-05 04:01:15 PM  

Destructor: JSTACAT: Strangely, DEA chief Michele Leonhart has been making bizarre statements about weed this week.
First she said that voters in Colorado and Washington were essentially coerced into voting to legalize recreational pot. She also said that Mexican drug cartels were infiltrating those states to prepare to sell marijuana at prices cheaper than one could find at a legal retailer.

It's not that hard to understand. Put yourself in her shoes. Here you are, doing your job. It's a hard and thankless job... And then, without warning, CO and WA literally flip you the bird... And now there's talk that all the "good" you've done is actually "evil". How could that possibly be?

The loss of public support against marijuana has got to be driving the anti-drug people insane. If only there was some way they could take the edge off...


It is very hard to believe that she & others are really that confused about the issue. Sociology 101 should have shown them the right way to deal with this.
 It isn't a surprise to them, this pot has been cooking for a long time, years...

I personally oppose drug dependence,
so how do we pull the pacifier away from the infant's mouth in society?
Violence wont work.
Psychology works better,
Natural instincts are superior

when the noise and pressure from govt is taken away,
other signals and logic can be detected by the infantile brains.
They will soon become tired of infancy, impotence, laziness, lack of accomplishment, etc.
 The pacifier will be abandoned without fuss, for better toys, and finally, the toys abandoned for the real stuff of life.

Managing society is a lot like managing a child whom you want to grow up, think and do for themselves.

Could it be that we are governed by infantile brains?
I really wonder.
 
2014-04-05 04:18:45 PM  

Kevin Lomax: hubiestubert: BravadoGT: Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.

To nail down specific Congresscritters on their vote. It's called strategy. You get a vote that will cast these strong, freedom loving, Libertarian loving souls voting against something that they claim to support. I will not be surprised if the House tries to bury their turn on this.

Yes, petty politics, awesome.

Requiring Congressional approval is the surest way to get nothing to happen.


...and to nail down folks who keep making noises about how Libertarian they are. Well except for this. Or that. Or privacy issues. Or a dozen other things. It's about making folks actually vote, as opposed to talking around the issue.
 
2014-04-05 04:23:48 PM  
Believe it or not, fascistmitter, the President cannot simply do whatever he wants.
 
2014-04-05 04:30:51 PM  

meow said the dog: [i.imgur.com image 850x1164]


Bad dog!  Go outside to vomit.
 
2014-04-05 04:31:13 PM  
Smeggy Smurf,
Fartbongo will have the support of the libertarians in this.


You may find that some of the core beliefs of people that associate themselves with the libertarian party have shifted since about 2008.

Link
Many fewer briefly tempting and left wing, lots more consistent, too smart for science.
 
2014-04-05 04:31:27 PM  

Destructor: The loss of public support against marijuana has got to be driving the anti-drug people insane. If only there was some way they could take the edge off...


There are still plenty of drugs to fight, still plenty of money to be made in the drug war. They just have to get off the silly slippery slope notion that legalizing weed will somehow lead to meth being sold next to the Tylenol at the Circle K.
 
2014-04-05 04:32:38 PM  
Funny, it didn't require Congressional approval to reschedule Hydrocodone from Schedule III to Schedule II. Certain groups will call it a refreshing Spring shower when Obama micturates on their dorsal side and informs them it is precipitation. Never mind that Number two is a Drug Warrior since 1972 and responsible for an entire generation of black men being imprisoned for a ridiculous "difference" between crack and cocaine sentencing. Thanks partisan myrmidons and lickspittles. You're the problem.
 
2014-04-05 04:38:02 PM  
They should be moving to do the will of the people and legalize it instead of reclassifying how illegal it is.
 
2014-04-05 04:43:25 PM  
Really? I'm the Weeners this?

cryandhowl.files.wordpress.com

Fark I am disappoint.
 
2014-04-05 04:44:12 PM  

Mugato: There are still plenty of drugs to fight, still plenty of money to be made in the drug war. They just have to get off the silly slippery slope notion that legalizing weed will somehow lead to meth being sold next to the Tylenol at the Circle K.


I think they're worried that once the gate is opened, other drugs will follow suit. Do they have a right to be worried? I suppose.

The problem is, they have absolutely no credibility. For the last 80 years, they've been telling the public that pot is as bad as heroin. And now? Oops, I guess not. Their lie is now fully exposed. Basically, if the gateways to other drugs do open, it's in part their own damned fault.

Now, personally, and in the interest of full disclosure, I am for legalizing pretty much all drugs (a few exceptions, like, the ones that actually do permanently lobotomize you or cause you to be a genuine menace to society). Oh, it'll be horrible--at first--I'm sure. But it beats what we have going on now. And in the end, I think we'll be better off for it.
 
2014-04-05 04:48:39 PM  

Destructor: I think they're worried that once the gate is opened, other drugs will follow suit. Do they have a right to be worried? I suppose.


Well has that happened in places in Europe where it has been somewhat legal for some time now? I don't think there are legal crack bars in Amsterdam yet.
 
2014-04-05 05:08:11 PM  

Mugato: Destructor: I think they're worried that once the gate is opened, other drugs will follow suit. Do they have a right to be worried? I suppose.

Well has that happened in places in Europe where it has been somewhat legal for some time now? I don't think there are legal crack bars in Amsterdam yet.



Portugal is a better example, going on now for over 13 year with a change in laws that views all drug possession for personal use as a civil matter with no criminal charges. The result has been a reduction in use and reduction in additional problems with heroin and cocaine related diseases and crime.
 
2014-04-05 05:10:56 PM  

hubiestubert: BravadoGT: Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.

To nail down specific Congresscritters on their vote. It's called strategy. You get a vote that will cast these strong, freedom loving, Libertarian loving souls voting against something that they claim to support. I will not be surprised if the House tries to bury their turn on this.


In other words, Obama doesn't give two shiats about actually moving MJ out of schedule 1 he just wants to use it as a political weapon.
He's hoping that he can gain a few libertarian and hippie votes by lying about what it would take to move MJ off schedule 1 and try and catch a few Republicans voting against it so the DNC and can run endless ads and the MSM can crow about the GOP relentlessly this fall.
Even though I am totally against the criminalization of MJ if I was a GOP Congressman I would refuse to vote on it based on the fact that Obama doesn't need a single Congressional vote to move MJ off schedule 1.

I guess you're perfectly fine with the political posturing instead of any real action.
 
2014-04-05 05:13:27 PM  
 "I've got a pen, and I've got a phone" ---President Obama
---Ok tough guy, make this happen
 
2014-04-05 05:16:59 PM  
This runs counter to conventional wisdom, but here's a quote from an article I just read today:

Marijuana cases can be hard to prosecute and are not cost-effective, so police often prefer to focus attention on drugs like heroin and methamphetamine, [Lt. Mark Comte of the Colorado Springs police vice and narcotics unit] said.

http://www.coloradoan.com/viewart/20140404/NEWS11/304040095/Legal-ma ri juana-in-Colorado-hasn-t-stopped-black-market

I've seen a lot of people say that cops prefer to go after the pot users and dealers because they're easier to catch and easier to deal with.

BTW, I'm not surprised at all that there's still a black market for pot.  It's a combination of taxes, lack of stores and that pesky age limit.
 
2014-04-05 05:26:52 PM  

GBB: It was never made illegal because it was harmful.  It was made illegal the same way alcohol was made illegal: because of the way people behaved while using it.  In the 20's, boozehounds were annoying as fark and the straights couldn't stand it.  Sure, you'll blame taxes as a financial motivation, and moonshine as a health concern.  But, it really comes down to flappers and drunks.  The only reason prohibition was repealed was because the behavior caused by prohibition was worse that before prohibition.  Look at how they regulated the shait out of it after repeal.


Alcohol was made illegal because of the religious right, who insisted that using it *at all* was sinful and responsible for the decay of our society. Never mind that, whenever alcohol is condemned in the Bible, it's because someone made an ass of themselves, fell out of their pants, and their son walked in and was all "LOL HEY FAMILY CHECK THIS shiat".

Pot was made illegal for two reasons, both of which are fairly well-documented, and both of which are garbage.
1) Pot makes your daughter sleep with black men, and black men are scary. Just like how jazz was scary black music that got your blood all hot and unChristian.
2) Hemp was a threat to the paper industry, being cheaper and able to grow just about anywhere.
 
2014-04-05 05:28:15 PM  

gfid: This runs counter to conventional wisdom, but here's a quote from an article I just read today:

Marijuana cases can be hard to prosecute and are not cost-effective, so police often prefer to focus attention on drugs like heroin and methamphetamine, [Lt. Mark Comte of the Colorado Springs police vice and narcotics unit] said.

http://www.coloradoan.com/viewart/20140404/NEWS11/304040095/Legal-ma ri juana-in-Colorado-hasn-t-stopped-black-market

I've seen a lot of people say that cops prefer to go after the pot users and dealers because they're easier to catch and easier to deal with.

BTW, I'm not surprised at all that there's still a black market for pot.  It's a combination of taxes, lack of stores and that pesky age limit.


Absolutely:  The people passed a tolerably liberal amendment but it was far from specific.  The prohibitionist pants-wetters got their mitts on this and made it a real soup-sandwich.  The tax rate was set stupidly high in both states, which is something you would have thought the brains in the legislature would have figured out, but they really want to keep people from having a good time.

That being said, the primary customers for legal retail are the tourists, who are glad to pay overpriced for weed at all.  I do expect that in a couple more years when the growing capacity catches up somewhat, that retail prices will have dropped to be more competitive with the untaxed marketplace - at which point the two will have to compete on convenience.

Hopefully, they will just move along and legalize soon and let's be done with the bullcrap - $7.7 Billion a year for cannabis alone without reducing use at all is the epitome of wasted tax dollars.
 
2014-04-05 05:28:33 PM  

zepher: He's hoping that he can gain a few libertarian and hippie votes


Yeah, have to score that enormous voting block.
 
2014-04-05 05:31:00 PM  
As much as this is NOT likely to happen, I think the vast majority of Farkers are in agreement: Legalize it and tax it = revenue stream from sin tax. Take away some money from the DEA and local cops from enforcement (federal matching funds for drug enforcement proportional to marijuana arrests) = tax money saved. Get the non-violent petty possession folks out of jail = massive savings.

It makes TOO much sense = it will never happen. Sad.

Regan's war on Drugs failed. Get over it.
 
2014-04-05 05:36:03 PM  

bmwericus: $7.7 Billion a year for cannabis alone without reducing use at all is the epitome of wasted tax dollars.


You misspelled "food stamps".
 
2014-04-05 05:46:40 PM  

Mugato: bmwericus: $7.7 Billion a year for cannabis alone without reducing use at all is the epitome of wasted tax dollars.

You misspelled "food stamps".


Well, basically:  It's paychecks for DEA and their minions, Turnkeys, Lawyers, Judges and other bottom feeders, of course it's more than food, it's housing and cars and gasoline and clothes for their kids too.

Which is why I support a rehab and retraining program for all of those displaced by the end of the war.  We need to show these weary drug warriors a lot of compassion and help them with what has to be a lot of cases of PTSD when they realize their lives up to now were functionally wasted.  Then we can get them into productive jobs, maybe with the TSA.
 
2014-04-05 05:55:36 PM  

Lokasenna: GBB: It was never made illegal because it was harmful.  It was made illegal the same way alcohol was made illegal: because of the way people behaved while using it.  In the 20's, boozehounds were annoying as fark and the straights couldn't stand it.  Sure, you'll blame taxes as a financial motivation, and moonshine as a health concern.  But, it really comes down to flappers and drunks.  The only reason prohibition was repealed was because the behavior caused by prohibition was worse that before prohibition.  Look at how they regulated the shait out of it after repeal.

Alcohol was made illegal because of the religious right, who insisted that using it *at all* was sinful and responsible for the decay of our society. Never mind that, whenever alcohol is condemned in the Bible, it's because someone made an ass of themselves, fell out of their pants, and their son walked in and was all "LOL HEY FAMILY CHECK THIS shiat".

Pot was made illegal for two reasons, both of which are fairly well-documented, and both of which are garbage.
1) Pot makes your daughter sleep with black men, and black men are scary. Just like how jazz was scary black music that got your blood all hot and unChristian.
2) Hemp was a threat to the paper industry, being cheaper and able to grow just about anywhere.


There were a whole hell of a lot more people than the religious right involved in getting prohibition started.
 
2014-04-05 05:58:54 PM  

Isitoveryet: If this happens, all those marijuana heads will start snorting heroin. Gateway drug & all that.


The majority of hardcore drug users used pot before crack, so it must be a gateway.

Just like candy bars, which most drug users ate in life prior to giving handjibbers for crack.
 
2014-04-05 06:01:32 PM  

leevis: Lokasenna: GBB: It was never made illegal because it was harmful.  It was made illegal the same way alcohol was made illegal: because of the way people behaved while using it.  In the 20's, boozehounds were annoying as fark and the straights couldn't stand it.  Sure, you'll blame taxes as a financial motivation, and moonshine as a health concern.  But, it really comes down to flappers and drunks.  The only reason prohibition was repealed was because the behavior caused by prohibition was worse that before prohibition.  Look at how they regulated the shait out of it after repeal.

Alcohol was made illegal because of the religious right, who insisted that using it *at all* was sinful and responsible for the decay of our society. Never mind that, whenever alcohol is condemned in the Bible, it's because someone made an ass of themselves, fell out of their pants, and their son walked in and was all "LOL HEY FAMILY CHECK THIS shiat".

Pot was made illegal for two reasons, both of which are fairly well-documented, and both of which are garbage.
1) Pot makes your daughter sleep with black men, and black men are scary. Just like how jazz was scary black music that got your blood all hot and unChristian.
2) Hemp was a threat to the paper industry, being cheaper and able to grow just about anywhere.

There were a whole hell of a lot more people than the religious right involved in getting prohibition started.


They gave women the vote that was the biggest cause of alcohol prohibition.
 
2014-04-05 06:35:12 PM  
Obamaphones, Obamadrones, Obamarijuana... Is there anything Magic-Barack can't do?
 
2014-04-05 06:44:08 PM  

Lokasenna:

Alcohol was made illegal because of the religious right



rro



Sorry, princess. Prohibition was passed by Progressive busybodies from the Left and the Right. What is charmingly referred to as the Congo church (Congregationalists) could never be referred to as the "Religious Right" even in the worst viper's fevered dope dream. Busybodyism doesn't know a left/right axis.
 
2014-04-05 06:51:15 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-05 06:56:59 PM  

zepher: hubiestubert: BravadoGT: Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.

To nail down specific Congresscritters on their vote. It's called strategy. You get a vote that will cast these strong, freedom loving, Libertarian loving souls voting against something that they claim to support. I will not be surprised if the House tries to bury their turn on this.

In other words, Obama doesn't give two shiats about actually moving MJ out of schedule 1 he just wants to use it as a political weapon.
He's hoping that he can gain a few libertarian and hippie votes by lying about what it would take to move MJ off schedule 1 and try and catch a few Republicans voting against it so the DNC and can run endless ads and the MSM can crow about the GOP relentlessly this fall.
Even though I am totally against the criminalization of MJ if I was a GOP Congressman I would refuse to vote on it based on the fact that Obama doesn't need a single Congressional vote to move MJ off schedule 1.

I guess you're perfectly fine with the political posturing instead of any real action.


I think you raise some interesting points, but let me play devil's advocate...

Assume for a moment that Obama does want to get MJ off of schedule 1, maybe just so medical research can start happening.

If he just moves it using his executive powers, the right will, once again, start screaming about abuse of powers and bullying his agenda onto the American people etc., etc., etc. They'll be able to frame the criticisms the way they want by pointing out that Obama didn't attempt to work with Congress, which represents the people. They'll be able to say that no framework for this specific drug (in terms of research, etc.) was established by Congress.

Rather than making a grab for a few libertarian votes, he might be trying to shield his fellow Democrats from the shiat-storm that would follow them into the mid-terms if he were to act unilaterally. He'd have nothing to lose since he can't run again, but his fellow Democrats would suffer any backlash.

Go one step further and assume that Obama does want to move MJ towards legalization. What he's doing can allow for a government discussion on the merits of the idea rather and one that can't be shouted down based on him rescheduling it without engaging Congress.

So, it may be that rather than typical political posturing, Obama is trying to raise the issue in a way that doesn't enrage conservatives or galvanize opposition to his fellow Democrats. Watching Republicans squirm as they try to juggle personal liberty vs. restriction while balancing on lobbyists vs. tax revenues would just be a bonus, I suppose.

/not trying to white-knight for Obama, just offering an alternative idea
 
2014-04-05 07:18:50 PM  

GBB: It all comes down to marketing and presentation.

The reason why legalizing marijuana is so difficult is because of public perception.  It was never made illegal because it was harmful.  It was made illegal the same way alcohol was made illegal: because of the way people behaved while using it.  In the 20's, boozehounds were annoying as fark and the straights couldn't stand it.  Sure, you'll blame taxes as a financial motivation, and moonshine as a health concern.  But, it really comes down to flappers and drunks.  The only reason prohibition was repealed was because the behavior caused by prohibition was worse that before prohibition.  Look at how they regulated the shait out of it after repeal.

The stoners are basically causing the straights to freak out and the way they act override any health benefits that it actually provides.  Same with oxycontin.  It has legitimate uses, but once people start abusing it, selling it, and create a counter-culture around it, it gets shut down.

So, if anyone ever wants this "movement" to move along any faster, I would suggest finding a way to tone down the stoner attitude surrounding the issue.  Cheech & Chong, Harold & Kumar, and Jay & Silent Bob are not going to help anyone understand that marijuana helps chemo patients with their appetites.  And, no one is going to believe a legitimate drug comes in "flavors" like "Super Cush" and "Raspberry Delight" or requires a glass device in the shape of a naked dragon-woman hybrid to administer.

Sure, these things shouldn't matter, but they do.  You have the unfortunate task of convincing the squares that this stuff they hate and don't understand is harmless and has actual benefits.  Don't make your job harder.  Wise up a little.  Clean up the image, and I'll bet this would go a lot smoother and faster.


Actually, it was made illegal because some guy at an assembly of plutocrats who had no personal or scientific knowledge of cannabis piped up at the last minute and said " Hey, shouldn't we ban that Marihuana stuff?  I heard it makes the darkies think they're as good as white men. " And many huzzahs were had by all.

It's still illegal because of the cash it makes for the few and general momentum / propaganda.  Most 'stoners' are responsible, hard working folk.

/true story
 
2014-04-05 07:31:31 PM  

skinink: Inhale to the Chief!


That made me snort coffee. Luckily I have a tablet now. Damn you fark for forcing me to buy one.
 
2014-04-05 08:02:48 PM  
I think it was around 1970 that marijuana was classified with the hard drugs.  The guy who did it said that they didn't know much about it, so they needed to classify it with the bad stuff until they could do some research.  Then of course the classification prevented any research from being done.
 
2014-04-05 08:05:38 PM  

Mugato: zepher: He's hoping that he can gain a few libertarian and hippie votes

Yeah, have to score that enormous voting block.


The Democrats are so desperate to not lose the majority they're going after every last vote they can.
They're willing to lie and cheat to keep their power, like every other politician.
 
2014-04-05 08:12:07 PM  

geek_mars: zepher: hubiestubert: BravadoGT: Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.

To nail down specific Congresscritters on their vote. It's called strategy. You get a vote that will cast these strong, freedom loving, Libertarian loving souls voting against something that they claim to support. I will not be surprised if the House tries to bury their turn on this.

In other words, Obama doesn't give two shiats about actually moving MJ out of schedule 1 he just wants to use it as a political weapon.
He's hoping that he can gain a few libertarian and hippie votes by lying about what it would take to move MJ off schedule 1 and try and catch a few Republicans voting against it so the DNC and can run endless ads and the MSM can crow about the GOP relentlessly this fall.
Even though I am totally against the criminalization of MJ if I was a GOP Congressman I would refuse to vote on it based on the fact that Obama doesn't need a single Congressional vote to move MJ off schedule 1.

I guess you're perfectly fine with the political posturing instead of any real action.

I think you raise some interesting points, but let me play devil's advocate...

Assume for a moment that Obama does want to get MJ off of schedule 1, maybe just so medical research can start happening.

If he just moves it using his executive powers, the right will, once again, start screaming about abuse of powers and bullying his agenda onto the American people etc., etc., etc. They'll be able to frame the criticisms the way they want by pointing out that Obama didn't attempt to work with Congress, which represents the people. They'll be able to say that no framework for this specific drug (in terms of research, etc.) was established by Congress.

Rather than maki ...


With the over 32 times Obama has unilaterally changed Obamacare and after his 'I got a pen and a phone' comment I seriously doubt he's worried about being seen as abusing his power.
Never forget that every last move Obama makes is based on political motive.
He makes the most of the Chicago style political machine.
 
2014-04-05 08:16:50 PM  

Nabb1: unyon: eurotrader: Why the AG needs anything from congress to reschedule marijuana other than an excuse to continue doing nothing is unclear. Treaties just require it remains a controlled substance. Holder could be going with the standard approach of appearing to want to do something or wanting to blame the house republicans for blocking him but the law does not seem to require it. A mid-terms run up stunt is the most likely answer. The link goes to the law on what only AG Holder has to do. A report and request to lower the schedule have been already submitted with accompanying report supporting the lowering and all they require is a signature from Holder.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/811

Having congress come out against rescheduling it would be great for driving the youth vote to the polls in 2014.  frkkit- the GOP pioneered using the wedge issue to drive turnout.  This looks to be one of those goose/gander situations.

This. They don't care about substantive reform.


Au contraire. They care very much about substantive reform. How do you get substantive reform? You kick the motherfarking obstructionist Republicans and TeaTards out of Congress.

How do you kick them out in a midterm year? You get people to "WAKE THE FARK UP!" (thanks, Sam) and get the vote the Fark out.

Seems like excellent strategy to me, actually.
 
2014-04-05 08:19:03 PM  
zepher:

The Democrats are so desperate to not lose the majority they're going after every last vote they can.
They're willing to lie and cheat to keep their power, like every other politician.


Good. Let's hope they succeed.
 
2014-04-05 09:17:59 PM  
Sheeit...

If a 10% voter block wanted bestiality legalized, the Democrats would make it an election issue just to get the votes....then kick it to whatever portion of the government at the time is run by Republicans for a NO....so they can run back to that 10% and say "we tried but those mean old wepubwicans just wont give you equal rights.....you pig-farkers"
 
2014-04-05 09:20:50 PM  
So.... not one of you has noticed that Obama never said anything and this is a subby fail? This was a short excerpt from Eric Holder's recent grilling in front of Congress, because Republicans aren't wasting taxpayer dollars by endlessly demanding answers until they get the ones they want. They're trying to trap him into saying he won't enforce all Federal laws, and use that as a wedge issue to play on "Democrat hypocrisy and dereliction" etc, as is clear if you watch more of the interview. This is only going to get worse as election fever heats up.

Obama's actual stance is still a big f-you to MJ users.
 
2014-04-06 12:18:26 AM  

archichris: Sheeit...

If a 10% voter block wanted bestiality legalized, the Democrats would make it an election issue just to get the votes....then kick it to whatever portion of the government at the time is run by Republicans for a NO....so they can run back to that 10% and say "we tried but those mean old wepubwicans just wont give you equal rights.....you pig-farkers"


Hm, not so much, the thing about pig-farking is that there's a little thing called consent - that's why we disapprove per-se.

OTOH, with cannabis legalization, no one is LOSING any rights and no one is being harmed by the law, rights are being restored in fact.
 
2014-04-06 01:22:08 AM  

Enemabag Jones: Smeggy Smurf,
Fartbongo will have the support of the libertarians in this.

You may find that some of the core beliefs of people that associate themselves with the libertarian party have shifted since about 2008.

Link
Many fewer briefly tempting and left wing, lots more consistent, too smart for science.


Your link is drunk and went home.  Try that one again.

I'm not concerned with the johnny come lately libertarians.  I myself made the switch only a few years ago back in 2007.  As long as their focus is only on protecting life, liberty and property then any differences can be reconciled.  Even the gap between those that espouse the non aggression principal and those like me that believe in the judicious use extreme violence early to avoid a larger conflict later.
 
2014-04-06 01:45:34 AM  
You know they're running out of reasons to support their side when people's dogs getting sick as a result of eating edibles is one of the concerns...I'm of the school of thought that you probably shouldn't leave food out that your dog might eat if that's going to cause problems but then again, I don't own a dog.
I'm just glad that after 80 years of propaganda, lies, and destroyed lives we're even having this discussion instead of the "Drugs are illegal because they're bad and they're bad because they're illegal" mentality of thinking.
I'm also liking the idea that people will have to take a vote on this because it'll give people a chance to actually have to take a position and defend it and it'll expose the "FREEDOM!" that they don't trust individuals to make their own choices and don't actually deserve freedom.
 
2014-04-06 02:21:27 AM  

foxyshadis: So.... not one of you has noticed that Obama never said anything and this is a subby fail? This was a short excerpt from Eric Holder's recent grilling in front of Congress, because Republicans aren't wasting taxpayer dollars by endlessly demanding answers until they get the ones they want. They're trying to trap him into saying he won't enforce all Federal laws, and use that as a wedge issue to play on "Democrat hypocrisy and dereliction" etc, as is clear if you watch more of the interview. This is only going to get worse as election fever heats up.

Obama's actual stance is still a big f-you to MJ users.


A fark you, or maybe just a political reality?

Obama did drugs and admitted why. I highly doubt he is for the drug war on a personal level.

So he has two choices:
1. Earn his party zero future votes and reschedule pot himself, and cost them votes from the prohibitionists.
2. Put a pin in it until the population comes around enough that legislators come around or lose their seats.

It sucks that with a two party system in a country with 300 million people there isn't a president who does exactly what I personally want, so I understand the frustration.
 
2014-04-06 03:17:50 AM  

rbuzby: I think it was around 1970 that marijuana was classified with the hard drugs.  The guy who did it said that they didn't know much about it, so they needed to classify it with the bad stuff until they could do some research.  Then of course the classification prevented any research from being done.


Feds started their own grow at the U.of Miss and had ID'ed 300+ `activities'.  They then pushed cash out the door for research into what mix & match of said chemicals would kill the most monkeys and rats.  This period extended for no more than 5yrs.  The sponsor wan't buying any `good news' and  as the scientists couldn't provide the corpses and enough `man boobs', the `war' was turned over to the propagandists.

Nixon's own handpicked Shafer Commission (Shafer was a Federal Prosecutor out of PA & the `Scientists' were chosen for their `conservative' approach) recommended Federal Decriminalization in 1972 (read it - it's Yogi Berra approved).  Nixon was P*ssed, Operation Intercept was initiated and the FBNDD morphed into the DEA.

Marinol/Dronabinol (synthetic Delta Nine THC) has been Schedule III since 2009 (read the package insert - `don't drive until you know how it affects you' - not unlike the warning on a bottle of Benadryl).  Anyone can petition to change a drug's Schedule (big pharma/prez get more traction).  Yeah, Marinol has an LD50, so, stick to the easy to titrate inhaled preps of the plant.

Read up on the guy that has been getting 9oz (300 cigs) from the Fed Pot farm, since 1982 (over 300,000 `joints'), he's still gainfully employed as a stockbroker.  The Feds have refused his, and the other patients in the Compassionate Use cohort, repeated requests to be examined/tested for long term effects of use (feds don't want to know - the patients had their own diagnostics performed - other than acute bronchitis from the smoking - NADA, nothing, nothing other than improved ability to lead normal lives).

I find it amusing to think that some employee of the National Institute of Drug Abuse has to crank out 300 cigs a month from that 3.5% THC Umiss shake for this guy:   http://irvinrosenfeld.com/
 
2014-04-06 09:33:13 AM  
I am curious as to how long it will take for the more conservative counties in CO that banned the sale, and therefore collection the tax revenue of recreational sales to pass a "LOL J/K, you can buy weed in our county now" referendum.

Personally, I think that come mid-2015 is when surrounding counties suddenly have school, library, and other municipal projects being funded fully by weed taxes, when the local cops all get brand new cruisers, when the fire department gets to fire engines...a lot of those counties will rush legal sales permits through...
 
2014-04-06 10:26:04 AM  

CRAZY LEE:
 300 cigs at 3.5% THC?  I hope he makes brownies out of it. Smoking it would be a net negative.
Stupid feds dont want to study MJ because basically "they can't handle the truth."

Endive Wombat: I am curious as to how long it will take for the more conservative counties in CO that banned the sale, and therefore collection the tax revenue of recreational sales to pass a "LOL J/K, you can buy weed in our county now" referendum.



Here in the magnificent Evergreen state, at least one of the cities that has refused to allow any legal MJ stores has said they want the state to give them some of the tax revenue from legal MJ, to offset all the horrible expenses they will have to deal with when the legal reefer madness starts.  Even though there wont be any MJ stores there. Fark you, Yakima.
 
2014-04-06 11:32:06 AM  

GBB: It all comes down to marketing and presentation.

The reason why legalizing marijuana is so difficult is because of public perception.  It was never made illegal because it was harmful.  It was made illegal the same way alcohol was made illegal: because of the way people behaved while using it.  In the 20's, boozehounds were annoying as fark and the straights couldn't stand it.  Sure, you'll blame taxes as a financial motivation, and moonshine as a health concern.  But, it really comes down to flappers and drunks.  The only reason prohibition was repealed was because the behavior caused by prohibition was worse that before prohibition.  Look at how they regulated the shait out of it after repeal.

The stoners are basically causing the straights to freak out and the way they act override any health benefits that it actually provides.  Same with oxycontin.  It has legitimate uses, but once people start abusing it, selling it, and create a counter-culture around it, it gets shut down.

So, if anyone ever wants this "movement" to move along any faster, I would suggest finding a way to tone down the stoner attitude surrounding the issue.  Cheech & Chong, Harold & Kumar, and Jay & Silent Bob are not going to help anyone understand that marijuana helps chemo patients with their appetites.  And, no one is going to believe a legitimate drug comes in "flavors" like "Super Cush" and "Raspberry Delight" or requires a glass device in the shape of a naked dragon-woman hybrid to administer.

Sure, these things shouldn't matter, but they do.  You have the unfortunate task of convincing the squares that this stuff they hate and don't understand is harmless and has actual benefits.  Don't make your job harder.  Wise up a little.  Clean up the image, and I'll bet this would go a lot smoother and faster.


Nah. I believe we are close to a tipping point. It isn't me that will need to "get over" Cheech & Chong. It's the prohibitionists.

Essentially what you're saying is that we should ask really, really nicely. That might have made sense 20 years ago. What we did instead was pass Medical MJ laws in about half the states. Many states and cities now have decriminalization for weed as well. Rational people live in those states, and have noticed that their society didn't fall apart. So, it broke down barriers.
 
2014-04-06 11:32:09 AM  

archichris: If a 10% voter block wanted bestiality legalized, the Democrats would make it an election issue just to get the votes....then kick it to whatever portion of the government at the time is run by Republicans for a NO....so they can run back to that 10% and say "we tried but those mean old wepubwicans just wont give you equal rights.....you pig-farkers"


farking chickens is a Republican thing, not a democratic thing.


/Our national pig farker
//Largest economic expansion of the past 30 years.
 
2014-04-06 11:39:52 AM  

stewbert: That might have made sense 20 years ago.


Asking nicely would be a fine solution if the other side weren't busy trying to lock as many people up as possible for as long as possible.  By other side I mean people who support and push the drug war, not every single person who sold on making it illegal.  Even Nixon thought the government's efforts on drug use should be focused on prevention and treatment iirc.
 
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