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(LA Weekly)   Obama administration seeks to move Marijuana from Schedule 1 classification. Fark: It will require Congressional cooperation   (laweekly.com) divider line 126
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2014-04-05 10:27:17 AM  
Why the AG needs anything from congress to reschedule marijuana other than an excuse to continue doing nothing is unclear. Treaties just require it remains a controlled substance. Holder could be going with the standard approach of appearing to want to do something or wanting to blame the house republicans for blocking him but the law does not seem to require it. A mid-terms run up stunt is the most likely answer. The link goes to the law on what only AG Holder has to do. A report and request to lower the schedule have been already submitted with accompanying report supporting the lowering and all they require is a signature from Holder.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/811
 
2014-04-05 11:06:33 AM  

eurotrader: Why the AG needs anything from congress to reschedule marijuana other than an excuse to continue doing nothing is unclear. Treaties just require it remains a controlled substance. Holder could be going with the standard approach of appearing to want to do something or wanting to blame the house republicans for blocking him but the law does not seem to require it. A mid-terms run up stunt is the most likely answer. The link goes to the law on what only AG Holder has to do. A report and request to lower the schedule have been already submitted with accompanying report supporting the lowering and all they require is a signature from Holder.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/811


Having congress come out against rescheduling it would be great for driving the youth vote to the polls in 2014.  frkkit- the GOP pioneered using the wedge issue to drive turnout.  This looks to be one of those goose/gander situations.
 
2014-04-05 11:12:15 AM  

unyon: eurotrader: Why the AG needs anything from congress to reschedule marijuana other than an excuse to continue doing nothing is unclear. Treaties just require it remains a controlled substance. Holder could be going with the standard approach of appearing to want to do something or wanting to blame the house republicans for blocking him but the law does not seem to require it. A mid-terms run up stunt is the most likely answer. The link goes to the law on what only AG Holder has to do. A report and request to lower the schedule have been already submitted with accompanying report supporting the lowering and all they require is a signature from Holder.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/811

Having congress come out against rescheduling it would be great for driving the youth vote to the polls in 2014.  frkkit- the GOP pioneered using the wedge issue to drive turnout.  This looks to be one of those goose/gander situations.


This. They don't care about substantive reform.
 
2014-04-05 11:19:34 AM  
The real fun from rescheduling would be the full faith and credit part. If rescheduled then medical marijuana patients could receive a prescription instead of a recommendation from a Doctor and states are supposed to recognize prescription from licensed providers from other states so having a red card would mean being able to travel anywhere in the US and  carry meds.
 
2014-04-05 12:21:43 PM  
Good. Should have been done a long while ago.

If it becomes a wedge issue, all the better to drive the Idiot Brigade out of the process.
 
2014-04-05 01:36:02 PM  
Requires Congress's help?
Never going to happen.
 
2014-04-05 01:41:24 PM  
Shifting a drug around requires consent of the Parliament? But I was informed that the ChairMAO was the Hitlerist Hitler that ever Hitlered a Worse than Hitler.

WORST EMPEROR EVER.
 
2014-04-05 01:47:46 PM  
Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.
 
2014-04-05 01:48:15 PM  
So, now I guess he's just Fartbong.

i595.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-05 02:08:54 PM  
FTFA: "...it would be hard for us to believe Republicans would support some medical legitimacy for pot in a Tea Party world. "
Hold on now, I thought the Tea Party were libertarian.  If they resist this, they are just like those guys who think the bible is against homosexuality, but eat pork, get divorced, touch women during that time of month...etc.  IF so, then hypocrites.
 
2014-04-05 02:09:55 PM  
Oh yes the Attorney General providing promotion of the drug addiction and overdosing is always the greatest of the ideas.
 
2014-04-05 02:10:00 PM  

Nabb1: This. They don't care about substantive reform.


Nobody in congress cares about that. Every move every politician makes, democrat or republican, is all about reelection and pandering to donors.
 
2014-04-05 02:10:25 PM  

BravadoGT: Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.


An excuse to use if something goes wrong after rescheduling?
 
2014-04-05 02:11:25 PM  
Fartbongo will have the support of the libertarians in this.
 
2014-04-05 02:12:19 PM  
If obama wanted to he could just issue a executive order to the fda since it falls under the executive branch.
 
2014-04-05 02:13:28 PM  

BravadoGT: Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.


Politics. If they reclassify then Republicans have to oppose it.  They can't let Obama do anything useful without opposing it on racist grounds.
 
2014-04-05 02:14:25 PM  

rev. dave: FTFA: "...it would be hard for us to believe Republicans would support some medical legitimacy for pot in a Tea Party world. "
Hold on now, I thought the Tea Party were libertarian.  If they resist this, they are just like those guys who think the bible is against homosexuality, but eat pork, get divorced, touch women during that time of month...etc.  IF so, then hypocrites.


Right, but a higher priority than personal freedom is never, ever, ever, admitting that a Democrat is doing the right thing.
 
2014-04-05 02:14:29 PM  

meow said the dog: Oh yes the Attorney General providing promotion of the drug addiction and overdosing is always the greatest of the ideas.


Wut?  Overdosing of what?  Hubris?
 
2014-04-05 02:15:13 PM  
This is little more than a trolling attempt to try and get the GOP to try and oppose it because fark it Obummer is for it.

The FDA does NOT need congressional approval to change a drug.

Anyone wanna shop trollface on the POTUS or AG?
 
2014-04-05 02:15:30 PM  

BravadoGT: Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.


He is probably hoping to use House GOP obstructionist objectives to swing the Libertarian vote towards Dems in the midterms. It's a smart move, from a political strategy standpoint.
 
2014-04-05 02:16:12 PM  

rev. dave: FTFA: "...it would be hard for us to believe Republicans would support some medical legitimacy for pot in a Tea Party world. "
Hold on now, I thought the Tea Party were libertarian.  If they resist this, they are just like those guys who think the bible is against homosexuality, but eat pork, get divorced, touch women during that time of month...etc.  IF so, then hypocrites.


I thought that was an unnecessarily snarky comment in what at first seemed like a news article. I was also under the impression that tea parties were more libertarian than Puritan
 
2014-04-05 02:16:55 PM  
If this happens, all those marijuana heads will start snorting heroin. Gateway drug & all that.
 
2014-04-05 02:17:28 PM  

BravadoGT: Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.


To nail down specific Congresscritters on their vote. It's called strategy. You get a vote that will cast these strong, freedom loving, Libertarian loving souls voting against something that they claim to support. I will not be surprised if the House tries to bury their turn on this.
 
2014-04-05 02:17:58 PM  

The Book Was Better: rev. dave: FTFA: "...it would be hard for us to believe Republicans would support some medical legitimacy for pot in a Tea Party world. "
Hold on now, I thought the Tea Party were libertarian.  If they resist this, they are just like those guys who think the bible is against homosexuality, but eat pork, get divorced, touch women during that time of month...etc.  IF so, then hypocrites.

I thought that was an unnecessarily snarky comment in what at first seemed like a news article. I was also under the impression that tea parties were more libertarian than Puritan


The tea party is about using religion to justify their control.  True libertarians don't want to control anything.  We're about leaving you the fark alone as long as you cause no harm to the life, liberty or property of others through fraud or force.
 
2014-04-05 02:20:52 PM  

Isitoveryet: If this happens, all those marijuana heads will start snorting heroin. Gateway drug & all that.


Exactly!
 
2014-04-05 02:22:32 PM  
Inhale to the Chief!
 
2014-04-05 02:23:07 PM  

hubiestubert: BravadoGT: Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.

To nail down specific Congresscritters on their vote. It's called strategy. You get a vote that will cast these strong, freedom loving, Libertarian loving souls voting against something that they claim to support. I will not be surprised if the House tries to bury their turn on this.


Yes, petty politics, awesome.

Requiring Congressional approval is the surest way to get nothing to happen.
 
2014-04-05 02:24:08 PM  
The recent and rapid mainstreaming and legitimization of marijuana is taking all the fun out of it.

/ time to start smoking crack
 
2014-04-05 02:25:23 PM  

rev. dave: meow said the dog: Oh yes the Attorney General providing promotion of the drug addiction and overdosing is always the greatest of the ideas.

Wut?  Overdosing of what?  Hubris?


I just OD'd on stupidity just now...
 
2014-04-05 02:26:07 PM  
Well, President Obama has played political games with civil rights issues in the past, and managed to get a win. Maybe he'll go three for three on this, although it seems like more of an uphill battle.
As others have noted, he could just direct the FDA to change the classification. There would be screaming about abuse of executive power, but that is a legitimate use of it, to direct an executive agency.
 
2014-04-05 02:26:36 PM  
meow said the dog:

I know you were joking... : )
 
2014-04-05 02:26:42 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Fartbongo will have the support of the libertarians in this.


Yep. I'm a libertarian and I fully support this.
 
2014-04-05 02:29:20 PM  
Wait til it's legal all across the country, and we can see what good things drug money can buy.
 
2014-04-05 02:30:22 PM  

Isitoveryet: If this happens, all those marijuana heads will start snorting heroin. Gateway drug & all that.


I always "getaway drug"

/sorry
//meow said the infecting my brain
 
2014-04-05 02:34:14 PM  
Forked Tongues:

The Yakima tribe decided to ban pot on their lands including adjacent hunting areas recently.
Here's an insight as to why:
The issue is all Forked up.

Issue no 1 is the Forked communication and Legal policy;

Wa state says is ok, lets make money,

Wa DC says it aint ok, its a sch. 1 narcotic; and they wont let pot into the banking sys, it is still a class 1 drug felony by the books;

Listen Up!
use & possession bars a person from owning or carrying guns and ammo, possibly other weapons; & etc. This is Federal Law!

If anyone knows the dangers of Fork Tongue syndrome it would be The Tribal Elders, amirite?

Issue #2 is that if it is only a medicine [classification], then constant casual use degenerates it as a medicine. That is another Fork.

It is also a trap. by allowing pot in Wa & Col. & other with states medical pot, a list is being added to by the hour... all the invisible users are now [or will be soon] in the database. wink-wink

Legal means that it has the same status as a vegetable that you can pick roadside, grow in your garden or casually buy in the grocery store, like lettuce or cigarettes..

Another issue is that people aren't satisfied with legal pot, but now they want to concentrate it into a powerful narcotic, using poisons & dangerous chemicals. Yet another Fork

This is why we can't have nice things!

Folks, listen to your Elders! Their wisdom can save you a lot of money and grief!

The additional lands [where they want to enforce the ban] are to be used by the Tribe by treaty, therefore they have a right to govern any activity which would interfere with that useage right.

A young hothead or old sleeper wielding a gun, bow, vehicle while under the influence of pot or some powerful pot based concoction is extremely hazardous to wildlife and humans, and vastly increases fire danger.

Such as; halfway back on the 15 mile hike down the mountainside, just before sundown.., dude! did we put out the fire completely? i smell smoke!


as long as WDC says its illegal, then anyone using or possessing is at an unacceptable risk. The Elders are wise to steer clear of such a trap.

AaaaanD so are YOU!
 
2014-04-05 02:36:51 PM  

JSTACAT: Forked Tongues:

The Yakima tribe decided to ban pot on their lands including adjacent hunting areas recently.
Here's an insight as to why:
The issue is all Forked up.

Issue no 1 is the Forked communication and Legal policy;

Wa state says is ok, lets make money,

Wa DC says it aint ok, its a sch. 1 narcotic; and they wont let pot into the banking sys, it is still a class 1 drug felony by the books;

Listen Up!
use & possession bars a person from owning or carrying guns and ammo, possibly other weapons; & etc. This is Federal Law!

If anyone knows the dangers of Fork Tongue syndrome it would be The Tribal Elders, amirite?

Issue #2 is that if it is only a medicine [classification], then constant casual use degenerates it as a medicine. That is another Fork.

It is also a trap. by allowing pot in Wa & Col. & other with states medical pot, a list is being added to by the hour... all the invisible users are now [or will be soon] in the database. wink-wink

Legal means that it has the same status as a vegetable that you can pick roadside, grow in your garden or casually buy in the grocery store, like lettuce or cigarettes..

Another issue is that people aren't satisfied with legal pot, but now they want to concentrate it into a powerful narcotic, using poisons & dangerous chemicals. Yet another Fork

This is why we can't have nice things!

Folks, listen to your Elders! Their wisdom can save you a lot of money and grief!

The additional lands [where they want to enforce the ban] are to be used by the Tribe by treaty, therefore they have a right to govern any activity which would interfere with that useage right.

A young hothead or old sleeper wielding a gun, bow, vehicle while under the influence of pot or some powerful pot based concoction is extremely hazardous to wildlife and humans, and vastly increases fire danger.

Such as; halfway back on the 15 mile hike down the mountainside, just before sundown.., dude! did we put out the fire completely? i smell smoke!

...


You're high right now, aren't you?
 
2014-04-05 02:38:56 PM  

sendtodave: You're high right now, aren't you?


I think I got high reading that. . .


/Wheee!
 
2014-04-05 02:39:28 PM  
Reefer Madness!!!

I'm actually interested in seeing what congress does.  Should be interesting.
 
2014-04-05 02:39:47 PM  

LeroyBourne: Wait til it's legal all across the country, and we can see what good things drug money can buy.


The cops already know what drug money can buy. Big police stations, helicopters, UAVs, machine guns, all kinds of military toys, sports cars painted as police cars to cruise in, etc.

So, anything that punches them in the dick, repeatedly, until they pass out from the pain and die is a good thing.
 
2014-04-05 02:41:00 PM  
images.wikia.com
 
2014-04-05 02:42:13 PM  

neongoats: sports cars painted as police cars to cruise in


Heh. Years back, I had a state Trooper in a 5.0 Mustang challenge me and my Grand National to a race. He decided they needed faster pursuit cars.

/Friend of the family, so no he didn't jack me up afterwards, he was a graceful loser
 
2014-04-05 02:42:24 PM  
Getting marijuana on the ballot is the Democrats plan to get young voters to turn out in the mid-term elections, which is why George Soros has dropped $80 million in support and John Morgan is pushing it in Florida to get his boy Charlie Crist re-elected.
 
2014-04-05 02:46:28 PM  
Most of the Tea Party is in favor of legal pot.  It's the old-line conservatives led by Boner that are funded by the big drug companies and the prison industry that violently oppose legalization.
 
2014-04-05 02:47:39 PM  

Boojum2k: neongoats: sports cars painted as police cars to cruise in

Heh. Years back, I had a state Trooper in a 5.0 Mustang challenge me and my Grand National to a race. He decided they needed faster pursuit cars.

/Friend of the family, so no he didn't jack me up afterwards, he was a graceful loser


I think they should be stuck in smart cars, frankly. Pursuit is dangerous and unnecessary in 98% of situations. Stick em in those little things you see eastern European bobbys in.
 
2014-04-05 02:48:10 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: It's the old-line conservatives led by Boner that are funded by the big drug companies and the prison industry that violently oppose legalization.


Religious right. Basically, the guys who wrecked the GOP.
 
2014-04-05 02:49:55 PM  

Kevin Lomax: hubiestubert: BravadoGT: Obama's wrong about this.  The law allows the AG to reclassify it to another category without Congressional approval.

So why is he dragging Congress into it?  He has more legal authority to re-schedule pot than, say, extending the deadline for Obamacare or arbitrarily granting exemptions to it.

To nail down specific Congresscritters on their vote. It's called strategy. You get a vote that will cast these strong, freedom loving, Libertarian loving souls voting against something that they claim to support. I will not be surprised if the House tries to bury their turn on this.

Yes, petty politics, awesome.

Requiring Congressional approval is the surest way to get nothing to happen.


Don't hate the player.  Hate the game.
 
2014-04-05 02:50:26 PM  

StrikitRich: Getting marijuana on the ballot is the Democrats plan to get young voters to turn out in the mid-term elections, which is why George Soros has dropped $80 million in support and John Morgan is pushing it in Florida to get his boy Charlie Crist re-elected.


Considering the youth vote is usually 20% of the eligible young voters, and hasn't really trended above 30%, pinning a cause to the youth vote is usually the casual way to make it sound important while focusing few resources on it, and having an easy blame when it fails.
There's more than a few middle aged liberal Democrats, libertarians, and even moderate Repubs who support it, a better strategy would be pushing the issue with these larger voting blocks.

Or, you know, telling the FDA to change the classification.
 
2014-04-05 02:54:10 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-05 02:54:44 PM  

neongoats: Boojum2k: neongoats: sports cars painted as police cars to cruise in

Heh. Years back, I had a state Trooper in a 5.0 Mustang challenge me and my Grand National to a race. He decided they needed faster pursuit cars.

/Friend of the family, so no he didn't jack me up afterwards, he was a graceful loser

I think they should be stuck in smart cars, frankly. Pursuit is dangerous and unnecessary in 98% of situations. Stick em in those little things you see eastern European bobbys in.


Nah, I don't want legitimate response times and the occasional necessary pursuit hampered. But computer logging of all speeds and relation to a call, traffic stop, or pursuit, made publically available would work.
Suggested part of a new contract with the police union: We're going to be writing up officers for lighting up to run a traffic light outside of a call, speeding, and other offenses for six months, to get them used to the idea. After that, they will be terminated for those actions. Talk to your people if you don't want to lose them.
 
2014-04-05 02:55:46 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Most of the Tea Party is in favor of legal pot.  It's the old-line conservatives led by Boner that are funded by the big drug companies and the prison industry that violently oppose legalization.


Not to mention the last Libertarian Presidential nominee was Gary Johnson, the former governor of New Mexico, who admitted to using marijuana illegally for medical propose. He also help spearhead the NM medical marijuana program.
 
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