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(International Business Times)   DNA testing confirms Eva Bruan was Jewish. Letters and notes written to Adolph complaining how her diamond wasn't as large as the other girls in the 3rd Reich and how he never took her to Miami Beach was first clue   (ibtimes.co.uk) divider line 62
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2014-04-05 09:31:13 AM  
One of those "self hating Jews" I've heard about?
 
2014-04-05 09:45:13 AM  
Way to stereotype, Subby.
 
2014-04-05 10:07:14 AM  
You know who else stereotyped Jews?
 
2014-04-05 10:33:46 AM  
It must be a new type of DNA testing that with the power of wishful thinking and a bit of magic can produce a DNA strand with a small star of David embedded. I wonder if there is sort of DNA resetting required with converting.
 
2014-04-05 10:52:00 AM  
Indeed.  It reminds me of a story I heard from a prof many years ago - when he was a student at the University of Georgia, they ran an experiment and tested the university chapter of the Sons of the Confederacy for sickle-cell trait.  IIRC about half of the were carriers - which is conclusive proof that they had black ancestry.
 
2014-04-05 12:13:26 PM  
How does DNA testing check for religious belief?
 
2014-04-05 12:14:36 PM  
Jewish is a religion, not a genetic ethnicity
 
2014-04-05 12:31:27 PM  

SushiJoe: Jewish is a religion, not a genetic ethnicity


It's both, actually.  And there are many Jewish people who switch back and forth in their definition, depending on which one will get them what they want.
 
2014-04-05 01:26:11 PM  
What would be better than going back in time and killing Hitler? Going back in time and telling Hitler his girlfriend was Jewish right before you kill him.
 
2014-04-05 01:45:57 PM  

SushiJoe: Jewish is a religion, not a genetic ethnicity


Not entirely true. It's a term that encompasses both the Hebrew faith and an ethnic identity, such as Ashkanazi.
 
2014-04-05 01:50:32 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: SushiJoe: Jewish is a religion, not a genetic ethnicity

It's both, actually.  And there are many Jewish people who switch back and forth in their definition, depending on which one will get them what they want.


Like protection from ethnic or racial persecution type "wants"? I guess gays and lesbians come in and out of the closet for much the same reasons.
 
2014-04-05 02:05:21 PM  

violentsalvation: Benevolent Misanthrope: SushiJoe: Jewish is a religion, not a genetic ethnicity

It's both, actually.  And there are many Jewish people who switch back and forth in their definition, depending on which one will get them what they want.

Like protection from ethnic or racial persecution type "wants"? I guess gays and lesbians come in and out of the closet for much the same reasons.


Oh for fark's sake.  Grow up.
 
2014-04-05 02:09:05 PM  
I want to see what Jewish DNA is compared to atheist DNA.  Now if religion can change your DNA then atheists cannot be changed which makes them genetically enough to not be human so it's OK to slaughter them for food.  Our global food problem is solved!
 
2014-04-05 02:12:49 PM  
My favorite Jewish joke (it's ok because a Jew told it to me. Also I have lots of Jewish friends, etc.):

Four older Jewish women are having lunch at a restaurant. The waiter walks up and says "Hello ladies. Is anything okay over here?"
 
2014-04-05 02:17:54 PM  

Kome: SushiJoe: Jewish is a religion, not a genetic ethnicity

Not entirely true. It's a term that encompasses both the Hebrew faith and an ethnic identity, such as Ashkanazi.


Then why isn't there a Catholic Race?  Wasn't there a tribe of nomadic apostles that wandered after Jesus?
 
2014-04-05 02:26:45 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: violentsalvation: Benevolent Misanthrope: SushiJoe: Jewish is a religion, not a genetic ethnicity

It's both, actually.  And there are many Jewish people who switch back and forth in their definition, depending on which one will get them what they want.

Like protection from ethnic or racial persecution type "wants"? I guess gays and lesbians come in and out of the closet for much the same reasons.

Oh for fark's sake.  Grow up.


I don't wanna grow up, I'm a Goys 'Я' Us kid!

/Gays works too.
 
2014-04-05 02:33:11 PM  
Crazy genocidal megalomaniacal demagogue was an inconsistent crazy genocidal megalomaniacal demagogue.

Not really surprised there.
 
2014-04-05 02:37:14 PM  
Bruan?
 
2014-04-05 02:39:16 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: SushiJoe: Jewish is a religion, not a genetic ethnicity

It's both, actually.  And there are many Jewish people who switch back and forth in their definition, depending on which one will get them what they want.


Jewish is religion. Hebrew is Genetic. Facts. Get them straight.
 
2014-04-05 02:43:05 PM  
Ashkenazi just means Jews of German descent, and  Jews have been in Germany since shortly  after the destruction of the Temple. That's +1900 years. It is unimaginable that there were Germans of that era -- prior to Germany becoming a province of Turkey -- who didn't have Jewish antecedents.

My DNA test from ancestry.com revealed an Ashkenazi Jewish ancestor for my family from around 1700. (7 generations back).  Oddly, it also revealed a South Asian (India, Pakistan, Sri Lanla) ancestor at the same remove.

Back to the genealogy mines!
 
2014-04-05 02:44:14 PM  

vharshyde: Benevolent Misanthrope: SushiJoe: Jewish is a religion, not a genetic ethnicity

It's both, actually.  And there are many Jewish people who switch back and forth in their definition, depending on which one will get them what they want.

Jewish is religion. Hebrew is Genetic. Facts. Get them straight.


Huh.  I buy it, just never heard it put that way.  Not even from Jewish/Hebrew friends who have explained it to me.
 
2014-04-05 02:45:30 PM  

vharshyde: Benevolent Misanthrope: SushiJoe: Jewish is a religion, not a genetic ethnicity

It's both, actually.  And there are many Jewish people who switch back and forth in their definition, depending on which one will get them what they want.

Jewish is religion. Hebrew is Genetic. Facts. Get them straight.


How does the DNA of an Israelite (Hebrew) differ from any other group of people from the same geographic area?
 
2014-04-05 02:53:01 PM  

violentsalvation: Benevolent Misanthrope: SushiJoe: Jewish is a religion, not a genetic ethnicity

It's both, actually.  And there are many Jewish people who switch back and forth in their definition, depending on which one will get them what they want.

Like protection from ethnic or racial persecution type "wants"? I guess gays and lesbians come in and out of the closet for much the same reasons.


The Jews have become master of playing the victim card when its they who are the bigoted aggressors these days.
 
2014-04-05 02:59:56 PM  
May have been =/= Confirmed, subtard.

And once again, nobody reads the article before commenting.

Yeah.  Welcome to Fark.  I know.
 
2014-04-05 03:04:51 PM  

ginandbacon: Way to stereotype, Subby.


Says the guy with bacon in his handle.

/honeyyyyyyyyy
//i wanna go to miamiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
 
2014-04-05 03:07:46 PM  
Jewish - religion and nationality. Jews have been a nation before Islam and Christianity  plagiariz came into existence. The Jewish religion itself is also  plagiariz borrows a lot from older religions. Confusing since nations with distinct religions are rare nowadays. You can be a Jew and not a follower of the Jewish faith and Vice versa.

Ashkenazi - used to mean 'Jews of Germany', today it's more of 'Jews of Europe'.  Genetically they are traced to ancient Middle East origins.

Israeli - citizenship. You can be an Israeli but not a Jew and Vice versa.
 
2014-04-05 03:10:38 PM  

lilbjorn: You know who else stereotyped Jews?


Every Jewish comedian in the history of stand-up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aJ63JhvpTA

/Caddyshack 2 was an awful movie.
 
2014-04-05 03:11:02 PM  
Jewish genetics?  National Geographic's Geno 2.0 says most recent paternal line ancestor is U52:

"Today, this line has its highest frequencies in Belgium (11 percent), Liechtenstein (33 percent), and Switzerland (11 percent). It is 6 to 7 percent of male lineages in France and about 6 percent of male lineages in Germany. Geneticists have found it at trace frequencies of less than 1 percent across West Asia, including in Iraq and Lebanon. Multiple lineages in Jewish Diaspora populations descend from this line."

Most recent maternal line ancestor is K1A1B1A:

"Though the origin of this lineage is not clear, it is a founding population among some Jewish Diaspora groups. Among Ashkenazi Jews, it is about 19 percent of maternal lineages. Interestingly, it is also present in some Romani populations."
 
2014-04-05 03:28:56 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: vharshyde: Benevolent Misanthrope: SushiJoe: Jewish is a religion, not a genetic ethnicity

It's both, actually.  And there are many Jewish people who switch back and forth in their definition, depending on which one will get them what they want.

Jewish is religion. Hebrew is Genetic. Facts. Get them straight.

How does the DNA of an Israelite (Hebrew) differ from any other group of people from the same geographic area?


Most likely a different frequency of a particular marker or set of markers. Religion creates different pools of potential mating partners: You can't date/marry/fark just "anybody" in most cultures, so you get differentiation based on who produces children with whom. There's lots of genetic differences in populations with cultural barriers to mating such as castes or political divisions.
 
2014-04-05 03:32:31 PM  

DNA testing confirms Eva Bruan was Jewish. Letters and notes written to Adolph complaining how her diamond wasn't as large as the other girls in the 3rd Reich and how he never took her to Miami Beach was first clue


1) Braun, not Bruan.

2) Adolf, not Adolph.

3) girls', not girls.

4) [this] and [that] was first clue - really? Two things was?


Nice job, tardmitter.
 
2014-04-05 03:50:42 PM  
Flarida is nice, but....

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-04-05 04:02:13 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: 3) girls', not girls.


No. She demanded to be given a diamond the size of an average adult German woman.
 
2014-04-05 04:17:28 PM  

Therion: What would be better than going back in time and killing Hitler? Going back in time and telling Hitler his girlfriend was Jewish right before you kill him.


Going back and preventing Chamberlain from being born. Let the Nazi infection start and get snuffed early, inoculating Germany against further episodes.
 
2014-04-05 04:23:19 PM  
archive.ksdk.com

RIP Brauny

 
2014-04-05 04:29:14 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: I want to see what Jewish DNA is compared to atheist DNA.  Now if religion can change your DNA then atheists cannot be changed which makes them genetically enough to not be human so it's OK to slaughter them for food.  Our global food problem is solved!


Everything you says sound coonty.
 
2014-04-05 04:35:53 PM  

4tehsnowflakes: Jewish genetics?  National Geographic's Geno 2.0 says most recent paternal line ancestor is U52:

"Today, this line has its highest frequencies in Belgium (11 percent), Liechtenstein (33 percent), and Switzerland (11 percent). It is 6 to 7 percent of male lineages in France and about 6 percent of male lineages in Germany. Geneticists have found it at trace frequencies of less than 1 percent across West Asia, including in Iraq and Lebanon. Multiple lineages in Jewish Diaspora populations descend from this line."

Most recent maternal line ancestor is K1A1B1A:

"Though the origin of this lineage is not clear, it is a founding population among some Jewish Diaspora groups. Among Ashkenazi Jews, it is about 19 percent of maternal lineages. Interestingly, it is also present in some Romani populations."


Reminds me of a report on Hitler's haplogroup: E1b1b1, "Haplogroup E1b1b1, which accounts for approximately 18 to 20 per cent of Ashkenazi and 8.6 per cent to 30 per cent of Sephardic Y-chromosomes, appears to be one of the major founding lineages of the Jewish population." Again, this study, though scientific by nature, is inconclusive."

Hitler was so concerned about folks raising the issue of his rumored Jewish paternal grandfather that he had German laws defining Jewishness altered to exclude himself.
 
2014-04-05 05:00:56 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: SushiJoe: Jewish is a religion, not a genetic ethnicity

It's botheither, actually.  And there are many Jewish people who switch back and forth in their definition, depending on which one will get them what they want.


FTFY.

You can be an ethnic jew without practicing the religion, and vice versa.
 
2014-04-05 05:11:19 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: vharshyde: Benevolent Misanthrope: SushiJoe: Jewish is a religion, not a genetic ethnicity

It's both, actually.  And there are many Jewish people who switch back and forth in their definition, depending on which one will get them what they want.

Jewish is religion. Hebrew is Genetic. Facts. Get them straight.

How does the DNA of an Israelite (Hebrew) differ from any other group of people from the same geographic area?


I ordered this a couple months ago for a Jewish couple (one "actively" Jewish and the other probably had some Jewishness in his family tree) that wanted to have a baby.   http://www.questdiagnostics.com/testcenter/testguide.action?dc=TH_Ash J Pnl

Ashkenazi Jews have distinctive genetics that are well known, and well studied, in medicine.
 
2014-04-05 05:39:38 PM  
A Jewish Princess, no doubt.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yDarQW7UZc
 
2014-04-05 05:42:23 PM  
DNA testing confirms Eva Bruan was Jewish.

Ah, no. FTFA:

The team discovered the hair contained a sequence within the DNA which had been passed down the maternal line - the haplogroup N1b1 - which is said to have an strain association with the Ashkenazi Jews...

Assuming they meant to say "said to have a strain associated with," that's all they're saying. N1b1 isn't Hebrew. You can find it from Syria to Ireland, Sicily to Finland. It's true that one of the female "founders" of the Ashkenazic population in the Rhineland is speculated to be N1b, but having a polymorphism transition from G to A at nucleotide position 16167 doesn't make you a daughter of Abraham. The mt-DNA haplogroup N is one of the two main branches that arose after we left Africa. It's a mega-family. You can find it amongst Australian aborigines, if that helps make the point. It's daughter clade, N1, can be found all the way into Siberia. N1b is all over Eurasia.

This is actually incredibly similar to the "Hitler was a Jew because he was E1b1b!" story. It makes for better print, because it's supposedly shocking. These articles never explain that they're just picking at the most interesting possibility. Other non-Jews of E1b1b patrilineage: Napoleon Bonaparte, the Wright brothers and Lyndon Johnson. Most Ashkenazim aren't part of the E Y-DNA haplogroup at all...they predominantly belong to clades of J.
 
2014-04-05 06:02:48 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: This is actually incredibly similar to the "Hitler was a Jew because he was E1b1b!" story. It makes for better print, because it's supposedly shocking. These articles never explain that they're just picking at the most interesting possibility. Other non-Jews of E1b1b patrilineage: Napoleon Bonaparte, the Wright brothers and Lyndon Johnson. Most Ashkenazim aren't part of the E Y-DNA haplogroup at all...they predominantly belong to clades of J.


Hitler's haplogroup Is just one piece of the puzzle. More immediate is that Hitler's paternal grandfather was widely rumored to be the result of a tryst between his mother and the young scion of the Jewish family she worked for as a maid at the time. She refused to name the father at his birth, adding yet more fuel to the fire. And while Hitler was in power it quickly became a one-way ticket to a "camp" for even inquiring publically about his possible Jewishness. Where there's smoke there's fire.
 
2014-04-05 06:06:03 PM  

lilbjorn [TotalFark]
2014-04-05 10:07:14 AM


You know who else stereotyped Jews?


A disturbingly large percentage of Total Farkers.
 
2014-04-05 06:13:08 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: sickle-cell trait. IIRC about half of the were carriers - which is conclusive proof suggestive that they had black ancestry.


It's also a Mediterranean thing. And both Meds (from the Spanish Empire) and black were mixed in with the South from the start.
 
2014-04-05 06:14:48 PM  

violentsalvation: Benevolent Misanthrope: SushiJoe: Jewish is a religion, not a genetic ethnicity

It's both, actually.  And there are many Jewish people who switch back and forth in their definition, depending on which one will get them what they want.

Like protection from ethnic or racial persecution type "wants"? I guess gays and lesbians come in and out of the closet for much the same reasons.


Well said.
 
2014-04-05 06:16:58 PM  

vharshyde: Benevolent Misanthrope: SushiJoe: Jewish is a religion, not a genetic ethnicity

It's both, actually.  And there are many Jewish people who switch back and forth in their definition, depending on which one will get them what they want.

Jewish is religion. Hebrew is Genetic. Facts. Get them straight.


Hebrew is a recently resurrected language. And a shiatty micro brew.
 
2014-04-05 06:35:29 PM  
Stone Meadow

More immediate is that Hitler's paternal grandfather was widely rumored to be the result of a tryst between his mother and the young scion of the Jewish family she worked for as a maid at the time.

I'm aware of the story, I was just addressing the genetic aspects of assigning ethnicity based on misunderstandings regarding haplogroups.

That aside, "widely rumored?" A single Nazi wrote it in a book before he was executed, and it's generally dismissed by historians due to a number of irreconcilable differences with reality, such as the lack of any documentation whatsoever regarding the Jews in question ever existing, and the fact that during the time period such a tryst would have occurred, Jews were banned from that part of the country. The likelihood of a well-off Jewish family that no one can find evidence of ever existing employing a young woman in a state Jews weren't allowed to live in is...low. The likelihood of no one but Hans Frank ever hearing about any aspect of the story if it had any basis in reality is even lower.
 
2014-04-05 06:45:35 PM  

BigLuca: Benjimin_Dover: vharshyde: Benevolent Misanthrope: SushiJoe: Jewish is a religion, not a genetic ethnicity

It's both, actually.  And there are many Jewish people who switch back and forth in their definition, depending on which one will get them what they want.

Jewish is religion. Hebrew is Genetic. Facts. Get them straight.

How does the DNA of an Israelite (Hebrew) differ from any other group of people from the same geographic area?

I ordered this a couple months ago for a Jewish couple (one "actively" Jewish and the other probably had some Jewishness in his family tree) that wanted to have a baby.   http://www.questdiagnostics.com/testcenter/testguide.action?dc=TH_Ash J Pnl

Ashkenazi Jews have distinctive genetics that are well known, and well studied, in medicine.


Lethal_logic above answered my question pretty decently. I failed at posing it properly, but he seemed to know what I was asking for.

Basically, I was trying to understand how you have what are essentially a bunch of middle eastern people all developing in the same area ending up with different DNA just because some worship one FSM and others a different FSM. I had not taken into consideration that one group would only allow the sauce from their own FSM on their noodles.
 
2014-04-05 07:01:05 PM  
Benjimin_Dover

Basically, I was trying to understand how you have what are essentially a bunch of middle eastern people all developing in the same area ending up with different DNA just because some worship one FSM and others a different FSM. I had not taken into consideration that one group would only allow the sauce from their own FSM on their noodles.

Not to complicate the issue, but Jews have both taken and given plenty of sauce from and to their various neighbors.

Patrilineally, Ashkenazim (as a topical example) are predominantly (40%) members of haplogroup J (J1 and J2), which is pretty Middle Eastern in origin. 20% are E1b (African in origin, but it's been in the Middle East and Europe longer than Jews have existed), 20% are R (R1a and R1b-M269, Indo-European), 10% are G (Caucasian), 5% are I (old pre-Indo-European)...so at least a third of Ashkenazim men descend ultimately from non-Hebrews.

Matrilineally, well...considering the orthodox Jewish views on mothers, Jewishness and the like, that may be a bit more sensitive.
 
2014-04-05 07:37:05 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Indeed.  It reminds me of a story I heard from a prof many years ago - when he was a student at the University of Georgia, they ran an experiment and tested the university chapter of the Sons of the Confederacy for sickle-cell trait.  IIRC about half of the were carriers - which is conclusive proof that they had black ancestry.


Not at all conclusive, for the record. Sickle-cell anemia occurs in non-African populations as well. It is nearly as common in central India as it is in Africa, and also has some presence in the Middle East, the Balkans and southern Italy. It is likely but not certain that the people in question had some sub-Saharan African ancestry.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-05 07:45:30 PM  

Verrai: Benevolent Misanthrope: Indeed.  It reminds me of a story I heard from a prof many years ago - when he was a student at the University of Georgia, they ran an experiment and tested the university chapter of the Sons of the Confederacy for sickle-cell trait.  IIRC about half of the were carriers - which is conclusive proof that they had black ancestry.

Not at all conclusive, for the record. Sickle-cell anemia occurs in non-African populations as well. It is nearly as common in central India as it is in Africa, and also has some presence in the Middle East, the Balkans and southern Italy. It is likely but not certain that the people in question had some sub-Saharan African ancestry.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 351x240]


In the Southern United States, it's pretty darn conclusive that these guys were the descendants of slaves.  But prof could have been wrong.  Or blowing smoke altogether.
 
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