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(Chicago Trib)   Sensible Chicago Alderman put the brakes on a hippie-backed ban on plastic bags   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 39
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2014-04-05 01:31:04 PM  
We banned plastic bags in Seattle and so far there are only 17 related deaths, so really it's a pretty good trade-off for a cleaner city.
 
2014-04-05 01:41:08 PM  
Hmmm. He must own stock in a plastic company.
 
2014-04-05 01:41:41 PM  
Chicago can do no thing until there are no more murders.  That's right.  You cannot focus on more than one task at a time.  That's why I'm not showering until I lose some weight.
 
2014-04-05 01:42:09 PM  
SanFrancisco banned plastic bags with no problems other than that short 3 day riot.
 
2014-04-05 01:42:58 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Chicago can do no thing until there are no more murders.  That's right.  You cannot focus on more than one task at a time.  That's why I'm not showering until I lose some weight.


I can just image what's growing in the folds.
 
2014-04-05 01:44:05 PM  
What are we supposed to throw our dog and cat crap away in then?  Maybe we should just fling it at the aldermen.
 
2014-04-05 01:46:22 PM  
I don't really care about a plastic bag ban. IMO just charging a few cents extra for those bags and channeling that money to a recycling program would do more. However Chicago has a lot more things on its plate that are more pressing than how to deal with plastic shopping bags.
 
2014-04-05 01:50:37 PM  
Dear God.  Soon Chicago will know what it was like to live in the USSR under Stalin.

/amIdoingitright?
 
2014-04-05 01:50:58 PM  
I know Chicago. I know plastic. Six is one with two dozen having the other. Yes!
 
2014-04-05 01:51:31 PM  

redmid17: I don't really care about a plastic bag ban. IMO just charging a few cents extra for those bags and channeling that money to a recycling program would do more. However Chicago has a lot more things on its plate that are more pressing than how to deal with plastic shopping bags.


This seems to me the best option.  When I was in Norway about 8 or 9 years ago I think the cost for a plastic bag at the grocery store was a half-krone (about eight cents at the time).  We have a few cloth bags, but we tend to forget them a lot.  If I had to pay an extra dollar or two for all the plastic bags we get when we forget, I'd remember to bring them a lot more often.
 
2014-04-05 01:55:14 PM  
Maybe the bill was just poorly written. If it's worked for several cities on the west coast for several years now, I don't see how Chicago can't see their examples of how to do it right.
 
2014-04-05 01:56:49 PM  

GQueue: What are we supposed to throw our dog and cat crap away in then?


Man, how big are your pets?
 
2014-04-05 02:03:58 PM  
In Austin, TX, we banned stores using free plastic bags to bag your purchase. You know what the two net results of this have been?
1) Stores now charge a "$1 emergency bag fee" and load your groceries up in the same bags, causing the same exact pollution unless you happen to be the 5% of folks that actually brought their reusable bags.
2) When they don't, you find yourself running out of bags for cat litter / etc - SO YOU HAVE TO BUY BAGS.

While i'm sure it started with good intentions, they really didn't think some of these bag bans through on a practical day-to-day level...
 
2014-04-05 02:04:01 PM  

GQueue: What are we supposed to throw our dog and cat crap away in then?  Maybe we should just fling it at the aldermen.


C'mon, this schtick is getting old.  Look around you.  You save the bags from:

newspapers, bread, tortillas, sugar, potato chips, electronics, and other retail packaging.  It's all right in front of you already.  Get creative.  Ask your neighbors to save their newspaper bags.
 
2014-04-05 02:04:37 PM  

GQueue: What are we supposed to throw our dog and cat crap away in then?  Maybe we should just fling it at the aldermen.


QFT
 
2014-04-05 02:09:09 PM  

whatisaidwas: newspapers


whatisaidwas: Ask your neighbors to save their newspaper bags.


Do you keep them under the Victrola, grandpa?
 
2014-04-05 02:10:59 PM  
LAUGHTER OL newspapers are the worserness than the bags.
 
2014-04-05 02:12:21 PM  
They're waiting for the required envelopes to be passed to the responsible parties. Then there will be some winks and some nods, and everything will be taken care of based on who paid who.  It seems that an average of one Chicago alderman has to go to Club Fed a year.  Thank the FSM they're all good Democrats, we wouldn't want any Republicans around.
 
2014-04-05 02:14:16 PM  

meow said the dog: LAUGHTER OL newspapers are the worserness than the bags.


Yeah, but can you smother someone to death with a newspaper?
 
2014-04-05 02:16:40 PM  
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2014-04-05 02:17:00 PM  

logic523: GQueue: What are we supposed to throw our dog and cat crap away in then?  Maybe we should just fling it at the aldermen.

QFT


I go to the local dog park and take a few handfuls of the taxpayer-funded compostable dog poo bags.
 
2014-04-05 02:24:16 PM  
Plastic bags are illegal here in Bellingham, so I make grocery sacks out of dolphin skin instead.
 
2014-04-05 02:25:08 PM  
Um, paper bags do more harm to the environment than plastic grocery bags.  We all know about the cornstarch they've been putting into plastic grocery bags to kick-start the decomposition, don't we?
 
2014-04-05 02:29:46 PM  
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2014-04-05 02:30:35 PM  
This frequent scene has gotten pretty old. Surely there is a better type of bag to use. Unless you're super cheap. Then this is the best.

www.majestyoftrees.com
 
2014-04-05 02:32:01 PM  
They've been banned in San Francisco. At first I was against it, thought it was stupid. But there's a lot less plastic bags filled with people's burrito scraps on the streets now. Just in general it seems like the city is a lot cleaner since the bag ban. So my mind has been changed.
 
2014-04-05 02:40:58 PM  
I'm kind of mixed on this issue. On one hand it seems silly to ban them, but they do make up  large portion of the litter you see around town. Everywhere you look they're stuck in trees, fences and if you drive past an empty lot you're sure to see dozens of them stuck in the weeds.
 
2014-04-05 02:41:04 PM  
Dear Chicago,

Why don't you worry first about making recycling mandatory in Illinois and stop sending us your garbage?

Love,
Wisconsin
 
2014-04-05 02:47:40 PM  

whatisaidwas: GQueue: What are we supposed to throw our dog and cat crap away in then?  Maybe we should just fling it at the aldermen.

C'mon, this schtick is getting old.  Look around you.  You save the bags from:

newspapers, bread, tortillas, sugar, potato chips, electronics, and other retail packaging.  It's all right in front of you already.  Get creative.  Ask your neighbors to save their newspaper bags.


Haha, I'm already a pathetic loser, I don't need people seeing me pick up dog shiat with an old potato chip bag, thanks.
 
905
2014-04-05 03:07:10 PM  

Somaticasual: In Austin, TX, we banned stores using free plastic bags to bag your purchase. You know what the two net results of this have been?
1) Stores now charge a "$1 emergency bag fee" and load your groceries up in the same bags, causing the same exact pollution unless you happen to be the 5% of folks that actually brought their reusable bags.
2) When they don't, you find yourself running out of bags for cat litter / etc - SO YOU HAVE TO BUY BAGS.

While i'm sure it started with good intentions, they really didn't think some of these bag bans through on a practical day-to-day level...


I'd also like to add another level to this.

Not everyone bothers washing these precious reusable bags on a regular basis either.  Been to the grocery store plenty of times and seen folks hand the clerk a stack of grungy, smelly reusable cloth bags that apparently get washed as often as the inside of a dumpster.

I'm not a germophobe by any stretch, but I can't imagine that factored into to Austin's magic bag ban plan either.  It may save on litter but it still doesn't trump laziness.

I wouldn't mind paying the $1 bag fee if it is directed solely to recycling efforts, I default to disposable bags over the reusable cloth bags just about every time.
 
2014-04-05 03:47:50 PM  

905: Not everyone bothers washing these precious reusable bags on a regular basis either.  Been to the grocery store plenty of times and seen folks hand the clerk a stack of grungy, smelly reusable cloth bags that apparently get washed as often as the inside of a dumpster.


Here's a better solution: reusable PLASTIC bags. They don't get grungy and smelly so fast (I've been using the same ones for years now), and when they do you can return them for new ones, free. Socialism, you know.

/wouldn't be surprised if they made them from plastic recycled from regular shopping bags
 
2014-04-05 04:02:05 PM  
An outright ban seems silly. Around here stores charge 5¢ per bag, so most people bring reusable ones, but it's no great financial burden if you forget them. Most places have switched to larger sturdier bags as well so you don't need as many of them. The difference in the cleanliness of the city is noticeable.
 
2014-04-05 04:13:26 PM  
How about plastic bags for some, and tiny American flags for others?
 
2014-04-05 04:38:59 PM  
If they pass the ban, I will simply do my shopping in Niles (a neighboring suburb).  I reuse the bags for dog doo and soiled diapers.
 
2014-04-05 05:52:58 PM  

Somaticasual: 1) Stores now charge a "$1 emergency bag fee" and load your groceries up in the same bags, causing the same exact pollution unless you happen to be the 5% of folks that actually brought their reusable bags.


So, are Austinites wealthy enough that they don't mind paying an extra dollar per grocery trip? Or just so dimwitted that they go through this scene once a week for months on end:

Cashier: That'll be $1

Person: RATS! I keep forgetting. I'll remember this time, for SURE.
/forgets

If that $1 goes into a fund for cleaning up the bags, then it sounds as if everything is working exactly as planned. People who want to carry bags, carry bags. People who want to get new bags help pay for the cleanup. People get a job cleaning up grocery bags, a nice new job. Not perfect, since some bags still escape, but it sounds kinda win-win to me.
 
2014-04-05 07:30:09 PM  

Uncle Tractor: Here's a better solution: reusable PLASTIC bags. They don't get grungy and smelly so fast (I've been using the same ones for years now), and when they do you can return them for new ones, free. Socialism, you know.

/wouldn't be surprised if they made them from plastic recycled from regular shopping bags


Nearly all the "green bags" you see for sale are made from some sort of virgin nylon and I've seen some that contain at least 6 types of plastic.  The cheap bags are mostly made from a waste product of oil refining and are recyclable into more cheap bags.  I figure the local store branded green bags have to last 200 times before they use less plastic than the disposable bags.  The reusable bags are now being found in the waterway traps at a level exceeding the one time use bags by weight.
 
2014-04-05 07:36:10 PM  

905: I'd also like to add another level to this.

Not everyone bothers washing these precious reusable bags on a regular basis either.  Been to the grocery store plenty of times and seen folks hand the clerk a stack of grungy, smelly reusable cloth bags that apparently get washed as often as the inside of a dumpster.

I'm not a germophobe by any stretch, but I can't imagine that factored into to Austin's magic bag ban plan either.  It may save on litter but it still doesn't trump laziness.


I haven't seen anything sane about the germs and bags.  I do know that in store can recycling has been linked to an increase in communicable skin disease.  One of the local grocery stores has had more problems with their conveyor since they started encouraging people to bring their own bags.  It seems the cloth bags bring in rocks that cut the belts and the cloth bags sometimes hit the end and start to unravel and get caught in the motor below.
 
2014-04-06 12:04:33 AM  

SumoJeb: logic523: GQueue: What are we supposed to throw our dog and cat crap away in then?  Maybe we should just fling it at the aldermen.

QFT

I go to the local dog park and take a few handfuls of the taxpayer-funded compostable dog poo bags.


I haz cats. Used litter removal is a plastic bag activity.
 
2014-04-06 12:29:10 AM  

wax_on: They've been banned in San Francisco. At first I was against it, thought it was stupid. But there's a lot less plastic bags filled with people's burrito scraps on the streets now. Just in general it seems like the city is a lot cleaner since the bag ban. So my mind has been changed.


It's not just littering that's a problem. If the bags wash into storm drains, which they do, they can wind up in the bay or in the ocean. Then they can break into smaller pieces, which get ingested by fish and other marine life, so the plastic can work its way into the food chain.
 
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