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2014-04-05 01:27:23 PM
would rather see him as Bond.
 
2014-04-05 01:29:51 PM

PepperFreak: would rather see him as Bond.


A black person can not be Bond because reasons.
 
2014-04-05 01:31:41 PM

ActionJoe: PepperFreak: would rather see him as Bond.

A black person can not be Bond because reasons.


Well, weren't they considering a black Doctor Who for this latest change?  If Doctor Who could be black without generating too much outrage, James Bond could be be, too
 
2014-04-05 01:34:27 PM
This is a good death, Mr Bond.
 
2014-04-05 01:38:41 PM
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2014-04-05 01:42:39 PM

PepperFreak: would rather see him as Bond.


Man he'd be awesome.
 
2014-04-05 01:42:56 PM

the dizzle: [img.fark.net image 516x297]


Oh he's that guy? From Serenity? Great choice.

Has there been a black Bond villain outside of Live and Let Die?
 
2014-04-05 01:45:37 PM
Face it, he'd be awesome in both roles. Would love to see him as a villain though. He was great  in Serenity and Four Brothers playing the bad guy even though those characters were pretty much the direct opposites in temperament.
 
2014-04-05 01:52:05 PM

Mugato: the dizzle: [img.fark.net image 516x297]

Oh he's that guy? From Serenity? Great choice.

Has there been a black Bond villain outside of Live and Let Die?


What about a Central/South American outside of License to Kill(played by an Italian, of course)?
 
2014-04-05 01:59:46 PM

bhcompy: What about a Central/South American outside of License to Kill(played by an Italian, of course)?


Yeah, they've mostly been European or American. I'm not talking about Grace Jones in View to a Kill, I mean main villain. The Bond franchise is racist against whites.
 
2014-04-05 02:12:51 PM
Him as a Bond villian and Idris Elba as Bond. AKA Bondz in da Hood.
 
2014-04-05 02:13:00 PM

Mugato: bhcompy: What about a Central/South American outside of License to Kill(played by an Italian, of course)?

Yeah, they've mostly been European or American. I'm not talking about Grace Jones in View to a Kill, I mean main villain. The Bond franchise is racist against whites.


Considering almost every black character in "Live and Let Die" was portrayed as evil, I get their reluctance in having a black villain again.
 
2014-04-05 02:16:33 PM

PepperFreak: would rather see him as Bond.


And Daniel Craig can play Shaft.
 
2014-04-05 02:23:53 PM
ActionJoe: PepperFreak: would rather see him as Bond.

A black person can not be Bond because reasons.


I don't know who the person in TFA is or where he is from.

A black Brit could be Bond in my opinion, but a black American, Canadian, Aussie, African etc NO just NO.
 
2014-04-05 02:25:36 PM

Mugato: bhcompy: What about a Central/South American outside of License to Kill(played by an Italian, of course)?

Yeah, they've mostly been European or American. I'm not talking about Grace Jones in View to a Kill, I mean main villain. The Bond franchise is racist against whites.


That's mostly due to SPECTRE's own racist internal policies.

Also, please note that both the non-white villains mentioned were drug lords. Bond had some vacation time in those cases but he is used to bigger stakes i.e. someone vying for world domination or destruction. Very few minorities have achieved the money and power it takes to pull off schemes like that. Unless you're a wunderkind like Bardem it will probably take generations to amass the necessary resources to e.g. poison the entire Earth and escape in a rocket with a select few to create a new world where we shall be as Gods.
 
2014-04-05 02:27:40 PM
Robert Downey jr can play a black man, and do a british accent!
 
2014-04-05 02:29:41 PM

Bith Set Me Up: Mugato: bhcompy: What about a Central/South American outside of License to Kill(played by an Italian, of course)?

Yeah, they've mostly been European or American. I'm not talking about Grace Jones in View to a Kill, I mean main villain. The Bond franchise is racist against whites.

Considering almost every black character in "Live and Let Die" was portrayed as evil, I get their reluctance in having a black villain again.



What do you want, it was a black gang. That's like saying Goodfellas was racist against Italians. Or Lord of the Rings was racist against orcs.
 
2014-04-05 02:33:16 PM

Mugato: Bith Set Me Up: Mugato: bhcompy: What about a Central/South American outside of License to Kill(played by an Italian, of course)?

Yeah, they've mostly been European or American. I'm not talking about Grace Jones in View to a Kill, I mean main villain. The Bond franchise is racist against whites.

Considering almost every black character in "Live and Let Die" was portrayed as evil, I get their reluctance in having a black villain again.


What do you want, it was a black gang. That's like saying Goodfellas was racist against Italians. Or Lord of the Rings was racist against orcs.


It wasn't just the gang. It was every single person from Harlem, New Orleans and San Monique in that movie.
 
2014-04-05 02:35:47 PM

Bith Set Me Up: Mugato: Bith Set Me Up: Mugato: bhcompy: What about a Central/South American outside of License to Kill(played by an Italian, of course)?

Yeah, they've mostly been European or American. I'm not talking about Grace Jones in View to a Kill, I mean main villain. The Bond franchise is racist against whites.

Considering almost every black character in "Live and Let Die" was portrayed as evil, I get their reluctance in having a black villain again.


What do you want, it was a black gang. That's like saying Goodfellas was racist against Italians. Or Lord of the Rings was racist against orcs.

It wasn't just the gang. It was every single person from Harlem, New Orleans and San Monique in that movie.


Because there are plenty of white Voodoo,Santeria practicing peoples in those places that are predominately black.
 
2014-04-05 02:38:28 PM

Oldiron_79: A black Brit could be Bond in my opinion, but a black American, Canadian, Aussie, African etc NO just NO.


A black Scotsman?
 
2014-04-05 02:38:44 PM

Bith Set Me Up: It wasn't just the gang. It was every single person from Harlem, New Orleans and San Monique in that movie.


To be fair, I don't remember that movie much. Yaphet Koto (sp) blowing up like a balloon and flying around the room was sort of a turn off. And wasn't that the one with the ridiculous redneck sheriff? I think he balanced out all the evil black guys.
 
2014-04-05 02:54:19 PM

Mugato: Bith Set Me Up: It wasn't just the gang. It was every single person from Harlem, New Orleans and San Monique in that movie.

To be fair, I don't remember that movie much. Yaphet Koto (sp) blowing up like a balloon and flying around the room was sort of a turn off. And wasn't that the one with the ridiculous redneck sheriff? I think he balanced out all the evil black guys.


Hey now

Thats my favorite bond movie youre talking about.

/seymour was also my favorite bond girl
 
2014-04-05 03:05:31 PM
He was a great villain in this, so this is going to be awesome :)

i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-05 03:18:19 PM

coolxterior: He was a great villain in this, so this is going to be awesome :)

[i.imgur.com image 259x194]


That title's more misleading than The Never Ending Story.
 
2014-04-05 03:19:42 PM

ActionJoe: PepperFreak: would rather see him as Bond.

A black person can not be Bond because reasons.


Julian Bond would disagree, march on you.
 
2014-04-05 04:54:55 PM
And so we'll pick the goofiest picture of Ejiofor we can find.
 
2014-04-05 05:08:50 PM
bhcompy: Oldiron_79: A black Brit could be Bond in my opinion, but a black American, Canadian, Aussie, African etc NO just NO.

A black Scotsman?


Sure. So Chef is gonna be Bond?
 
2014-04-05 05:16:57 PM

Bith Set Me Up: Mugato: bhcompy: What about a Central/South American outside of License to Kill(played by an Italian, of course)?

Yeah, they've mostly been European or American. I'm not talking about Grace Jones in View to a Kill, I mean main villain. The Bond franchise is racist against whites.

Considering almost every black character in "Live and Let Die" was portrayed as evil, I get their reluctance in having a black villain again.


There's the machete-loving warlord in Casino Royale, but he was the second-tier villain.
 
2014-04-05 05:28:08 PM
The 24th EON-produced Bond film is referred to as Bond 24 while the untitled 13th feature film of another long-running franchise is currently referred to as Star Trek 3.  This is inconsistent.

Casino Royale completely rebooted Bond into a new narrative universe in which earlier Bond films cannot be accounted for, and so only the most recent 3 films share continuity. Star Trekactually accounted for its "reboot" in science fiction terms that technically keep the whole franchise in the same narrative universe.

In the new Star Treks, Leonard Nimoy's Spock is present and remembers his original universe. This is unlike Judi Dench playing M in both the Brosnan and Craig eras because her Craig-era M is a new character who can't remember Brosnan-era events because they never happened.
 
2014-04-05 05:29:15 PM

Son of Thunder: Bith Set Me Up: Mugato: bhcompy: What about a Central/South American outside of License to Kill(played by an Italian, of course)?

Yeah, they've mostly been European or American. I'm not talking about Grace Jones in View to a Kill, I mean main villain. The Bond franchise is racist against whites.

Considering almost every black character in "Live and Let Die" was portrayed as evil, I get their reluctance in having a black villain again.

There's the machete-loving warlord in Casino Royale, but he was the second-tier villain.


But Felix Leiter is now black (again) so it sorta balances there.
 
2014-04-05 05:50:01 PM

Nem Wan: Star Trekactually accounted for its "reboot" in science fiction terms that technically keep the whole franchise in the same narrative universe.


Eh, JJ's Trek is a reboot in every way that matters. I don't see how Nero showing up could have made that many changes to the universe. Everything looking completely different, the Enterprise being built on the ground in Kirk's back yard in Iowa instead of in a space station on Mars (I don't even see how that's physically possible given the structure of the ship), Klingons being different, etc. The only reason they gave a half assed sci-fi explanation for it not being a true reboot is because they wanted Nimoy in it.

As for Bond, I'll take the original continuity. At least Q was a man Bond respected instead of a teenage hacker with no gadgetry skills.
 
2014-04-05 06:00:08 PM
Y'all need to see Ejiofor in Dirty Pretty Things as well (Audrey Tatou is also really good in it).  Really, really good performance.
 
2014-04-05 06:21:50 PM

Mugato: coolxterior: He was a great villain in this, so this is going to be awesome :)

[i.imgur.com image 259x194]

That title's more misleading than The Never Ending Story.


lh3.ggpht.com
 
2014-04-05 06:32:11 PM

Rand's lacy underwear: Mugato: coolxterior: He was a great villain in this, so this is going to be awesome :)

[i.imgur.com image 259x194]

That title's more misleading than The Never Ending Story.

[lh3.ggpht.com image 410x615]


To the Sun Sphere!
 
2014-04-05 08:28:09 PM

Nem Wan: n the new Star Treks, Leonard Nimoy's Spock is present and remembers his original universe. This is unlike Judi Dench playing M in both the Brosnan and Craig eras because her Craig-era M is a new character who can't remember Brosnan-era events because they never happened.


To be fair, I'd like to forget the Brosnan-era Bonds as well.

I think there's an argument to be made that Dench's M in the Craig Bonds is not the same character she played in the Brosnan era.  They just happen to have he same name and the same job.
 
2014-04-05 08:32:45 PM

Dwight_Yeast: To be fair, I'd like to forget the Brosnan-era Bonds as well.


I liked them, except Die Another Day. GoldenEye was one of my favorites. The Daniel Craig Bonds are just Bourne movies.
 
2014-04-05 09:03:45 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Nem Wan: n the new Star Treks, Leonard Nimoy's Spock is present and remembers his original universe. This is unlike Judi Dench playing M in both the Brosnan and Craig eras because her Craig-era M is a new character who can't remember Brosnan-era events because they never happened.

To be fair, I'd like to forget the Brosnan-era Bonds as well.

I think there's an argument to be made that Dench's M in the Craig Bonds is not the same character she played in the Brosnan era.  They just happen to have he same name and the same job.


Goldeneye was Brosnan's best. For all the shiat Craig gets about his Bond being Bourne, people seem to forget about Bond vs. Trevelyan in this, which is extremely well-crafted and just as frenetic as Craig's stuff. The villains were awesome, and Eric Serra (who needs to do a hell of a lot more work) had an awesome score.

Second best? An EA Bond game called Everything or Nothing. Says a lot about how stupid things would become. TND was paper-thin in story (but redeemed by Brosnan and Yeoh), TWINE was middling at best, and Die Another Day...yeesh. I like Halle Berry, and the first half of that movie was decent, but she plays a large hand in making the second half suck ass, and that gets more obvious with each rewatch.
 
2014-04-05 09:08:03 PM

Clutch2013: An EA Bond game called Everything or Nothing


That was good. And a pretty cool opening song. Could have been a film.
 
2014-04-05 11:05:36 PM

Mugato: Clutch2013: An EA Bond game called Everything or Nothing

That was good. And a pretty cool opening song. Could have been a film.


Yep. I liked it because it was made during one of EA's rising periods, when they actually give enough of a shiat to let their developers farking develop. Because of that, it not only kicks Bond into that third-person gear that it should be in more often, but actually does it right, too.

Activison tried to mimic this with Blood Stone. The results were...mixed, the dev behind it folded, and they subsequently went back down the FPS route with 007: Legends, a game that was so awful it killed that developer, too. Come to think of it, the best Activison 007 game was a CoD cut-and-paste cash-in for Quantum of Solace made by Treyarch before they pulled their heads out of their asses.
 
2014-04-05 11:11:18 PM
So this is Daniel Craig's Live and Let Die?
 
2014-04-05 11:11:52 PM

Clutch2013: Goldeneye was Brosnan's best. For all the shiat Craig gets about his Bond being Bourne, people seem to forget about Bond vs. Trevelyan in this, which is extremely well-crafted and just as frenetic as Craig's stuff.


I need to re-watch Goldeneye, but there's something interesting about it: the opening credits were done from the original script. The Bond credits have always taken forever to do, so they start them when they start filming.  When they got done with Goldeneye, they'd made so many changes that the finished film and the credits had little to do with each other.  I really wish they'd made the film that went with the credits, as that's the one I want to watch!
 
2014-04-05 11:25:44 PM

Dwight_Yeast: I really wish they'd made the film that went with the credits, as that's the one I want to watch!


Actually the opening credits were fitting to the movie. It was the first Bond film after the Cold War so it had these girls smashing statues of Stalin and other Russian guys with hammers and hammers and sickles floating around, The Brosnan films were the first to have truly artistic opening credits. Before then it was just generic silhouettes of girls with guns or whatever.
 
2014-04-06 12:33:56 AM
Connery--Yeah, he's the Man. Never a fan of FRWL or NSNA though. I'll stick with Goldfinger or Thunderball
Lazenby--Meh. He was better in his I minute scene in Gettysburg
Moore--I grew up with him so it's hard to dislike that era
Dalton---I like him; could've been so much better with better material
Brosnan--Miss him. Thought he was a great Bond
Craig---I'm happy with him. Don't blame him for the Bourne comparisons; he's not the screenwriter/director.
 
2014-04-06 12:43:21 AM

John Buck 41: Brosnan--Miss him. Thought he was a great Bond


Thank you. No one usually agrees with me on that.

I grew up with Moore too but those movies with a couple exceptions were terrible.
 
2014-04-06 12:52:46 AM

Mugato: John Buck 41: Brosnan--Miss him. Thought he was a great Bond

Thank you. No one usually agrees with me on that.

I grew up with Moore too but those movies with a couple exceptions were terrible.


I have you faved as '007 fan'. As for the Moore era, I was an impressionable teenager. Other than TMWTGG and LALD, yeah they sucked.
 
2014-04-06 12:57:37 AM

John Buck 41: have you faved as '007 fan'. As for the Moore era, I was an impressionable teenager. Other than TMWTGG and LALD, yeah they sucked.


The two Moore films I thought were okay were For Your Eyes Only and The Spy Who Loved Me. A View to a Kill should have been good because of Walken but it was just sort of boring. And Moore was like 80 by then. Good theme song though.
 
2014-04-06 01:08:58 AM

Mugato: John Buck 41: have you faved as '007 fan'. As for the Moore era, I was an impressionable teenager. Other than TMWTGG and LALD, yeah they sucked.

The two Moore films I thought were okay were For Your Eyes Only and The Spy Who Loved Me. A View to a Kill should have been good because of Walken but it was just sort of boring. And Moore was like 80 by then. Good theme song though.


Oh, wow, I forgot about FYEO. TSWLM isn't bad either.

Too much bourbon tonite, perhaps. Yeah, I'm going with that angle.

Have you read Moore's bio My Word Is My Bond?
 
2014-04-06 01:14:55 AM

John Buck 41: Have you read Moore's bio My Word Is My Bond?


No, I never learned to read.
 
2014-04-06 01:29:30 AM

Mugato: John Buck 41: Have you read Moore's bio My Word Is My Bond?

No, I never learned to read.


Well there's something to look forward to. Or not.
 
2014-04-06 02:19:08 AM

Mugato: The two Moore films I thought were okay were For Your Eyes Only and The Spy Who Loved Me. A View to a Kill should have been good because of Walken but it was just sort of boring. And Moore was like 80 by then. Good theme song though.


There's a moment in A View to a Kill, in the fight sequence on the "Golden Gate Bridge" (actually in front of a front-projection screen) where Moore looks at the camera and you can see that he's done with the Bond series.  He's made the decision that he's not going to do another.

I love the movie for that moment of honesty.  I also love the original poster, as it's laughably naff.
 
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