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(STLToday)   High school students under investigation for spreading nude selfies. Clearly, they do not understand the rules of BIE   (stltoday.com) divider line 24
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2014-04-05 10:57:27 AM  
6 votes:
Nudity is not pornography.
2014-04-05 10:43:39 AM  
3 votes:
This is inappropriate and all that, but really, these are all a bunch of horned up teenagers being dumbasses.
Giving them criminal records, especially for things like 'child pornography' is not going to help them be productive members of society. In fact, it will pretty much guarantee that they'll not amount to much because when an employer sees 'child pron' they are not going to think 'nude selfie at 17 years of age'.
2014-04-05 11:49:11 AM  
2 votes:
I always get a kick out of the guys on FARK who ask women here to send them pictures of their tits.  I don't know if that signals desperation or an inability to use Google, but damn it....it's funny.

As to the subject of the article however, my sister has had issues with students in her class sending one another inappropriate photos, and she's at her wit's end on what to do about it.  Did I mention she teaches the 7th grade?  High schoolers are obviously different than middle schoolers, but you can't help but question not just the intelligence of the students doing this, but the parenting they're getting at home.
2014-04-05 11:37:44 AM  
2 votes:

Contrabulous Flabtraption: mongbiohazard: So farking stupid. Charging kids with criminal offenses for pictures of each other... I wonder how long before we grow up enough as a society to acknowledge how stupid this is. It is depressing how much we still are terrified of the perfectly normal human body and sexuality. Farking religious conservatives.

I know this may be hard to believe but there are millions of adults who are not religious conservatives who don't want their children sending naked pictures of themselves to other people


Yes, but those religious conservatives have successfully spread their own irrational fear of the normal human body and healthy sexuality throughout our society. They've been at this since pretty much the beginning of our country.

Every single human being ever has had a naked body. Making such a big deal about them is stupid and counter-productive. And teenagers having sex has happened since a little time called ALWAYS. Getting bent out of shape about it is also stupid and counter-productive.

So what, you think your daughter getting criminal charges for doing what's going to come natural to her in our repressed society is going to help her? You're nuts if you do. There are plenty of first world nations with access to electronic communication who don't give their teenagers criminal records for acting like teenagers and they are just fine... hell, better than us by many metrics.
2014-04-05 10:54:28 AM  
2 votes:
Why can't we, as a nation, deal with things like child pornography without completely going off the deep end?
2014-04-05 10:53:39 AM  
2 votes:
So farking stupid. Charging kids with criminal offenses for pictures of each other... I wonder how long before we grow up enough as a society to acknowledge how stupid this is. It is depressing how much we still are terrified of the perfectly normal human body and sexuality. Farking religious conservatives.
2014-04-05 02:21:14 PM  
1 votes:
Well if they charge these kids I hope they include the girls who sent the pictures to begin with.
2014-04-05 01:39:25 PM  
1 votes:

GreenSun: I wish I were a teenager in today's world. Girls seem to be more sexual and giving towards boys. Back in my day, the only time you'd see a girl's cleavage was when you've graduated and they're allowed to wear "adult" clothes.


Great-Great-Grandpa, is that you?
2014-04-05 12:37:57 PM  
1 votes:

Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: vygramul: mongbiohazard: So farking stupid. Charging kids with criminal offenses for pictures of each other... I wonder how long before we grow up enough as a society to acknowledge how stupid this is. It is depressing how much we still are terrified of the perfectly normal human body and sexuality. Farking religious conservatives.

markfara: Why can't we, as a nation, deal with things like child pornography without completely going off the deep end?

The problem is that if this isn't a crime, then kids will be able to freely share the CP, and if they can freely share the CP, the server can have the CP, and if the server can legitimately have CP, the administrator can view the CP and no one can do anything about it, and next thing you know, perverts and predators will be viewing the CP.

Inroads against predators have only been made with aggressive attempts at controlling the sources of CP. That is incompatible with allowing minors that much leeway.

I dont see a problem if a pervert finds these selfies. Is there a problem other than its icky?


There's the legal theory that every time someone shares CP, it re-victimizes the victim.  Which I've always thought was a shaky argument at best, since the same theory is never applied to any other crime.  Even in the case of revenge porn, I'm not aware of any law that criminalizes simple possession (although the laws are changing some states due to an increasing number of publicized cases).

There's also the argument that it would encourage the pervert to abuse a child he has access to, but as far as I'm aware there is no clear evidence for this.  Some have also argued that a pervert might seek out and abuse the child depicted in a pornographic image, but I'm not aware of any case where that actually happened.

Finally, there's the legal theory that allowing possession or distribution creates a market for child porn.  Which kind of makes sense, but I've also heard that a market for child porn still exists today even though it's totally illegal, so in that context I'm not sure that the laws are working correctly.
2014-04-05 11:58:28 AM  
1 votes:

Secret Agent X23: SpdrJay: Nudity is not pornography.

Well, the two are not synonymous.

But the problem is, Guy A is going to look at a picture and consider how the girl is posed, the lighting, the contrast and whatnot. Meanwhile, next door, Guy B happens by coincidence to look at the same picture, and he immediately yanks his pants down and goes to work on himself like one of those machines at the hardware store that shake up paint cans.


You could also say that that isn't the problem of the picture, but of the second guy.
2014-04-05 11:45:20 AM  
1 votes:
My favorite part of TFA was:

"DuBray said Fort Zumwalt had invited a former family court judge to conduct seminars two years ago at all the middle schools, discussing how dangerous sexting can be and the legal implications of being charged with a crime for sending or forwarding an inappropriate picture."

Uhh, dude, it's a school. Kids usually move up grades and out to high school or transfer in and out.

/I'm sure he thinks that one visit was supposed to have lasted forever.
2014-04-05 11:44:47 AM  
1 votes:

RodneyToady: SpdrJay: Nudity is not pornography.
 Drawings of nudity can be child pornography.  (Link is SFW)


The government is possibly lying (shocking, I know):

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition

"Ferber expressly allowed virtual child pornography as an alternative that could preserve whatever literary value child pornography might arguably have while at the same time mitigating the harm caused by making it."
2014-04-05 11:31:37 AM  
1 votes:

RodneyToady: SpdrJay: Nudity is not pornography.
 Drawings of nudity can be child pornography.  (Link is SFW)


Every fan of anime just felt a chill down their spine
2014-04-05 11:27:13 AM  
1 votes:
Is there a particular reason why we never care to distinguish between the teen that initially takes and sends the selfie to someone with an expectation of privacy (however practically "stupid" that may be) and then the countless little shiats that circulate the picture? Even if they shouldn't necessarily be charged with separate types of crimes (if one gets all hot and bothered about equal application of the law above all else), why should they be treated the same for purposes of discussion?
2014-04-05 11:08:00 AM  
1 votes:

SpdrJay: Nudity is not pornography.


Well, the two are not synonymous.

But the problem is, Guy A is going to look at a picture and consider how the girl is posed, the lighting, the contrast and whatnot. Meanwhile, next door, Guy B happens by coincidence to look at the same picture, and he immediately yanks his pants down and goes to work on himself like one of those machines at the hardware store that shake up paint cans.
2014-04-05 11:01:14 AM  
1 votes:

Contrabulous Flabtraption: mongbiohazard: So farking stupid. Charging kids with criminal offenses for pictures of each other... I wonder how long before we grow up enough as a society to acknowledge how stupid this is. It is depressing how much we still are terrified of the perfectly normal human body and sexuality. Farking religious conservatives.

I know this may be hard to believe but there are millions of adults who are not religious conservatives who don't want their children sending naked pictures of themselves to other people


Good luck with that. It's so prevalent that even what little off-hand comments I hear as a teacher are frightening.
2014-04-05 10:58:55 AM  
1 votes:

mongbiohazard: So farking stupid. Charging kids with criminal offenses for pictures of each other... I wonder how long before we grow up enough as a society to acknowledge how stupid this is. It is depressing how much we still are terrified of the perfectly normal human body and sexuality. Farking religious conservatives.


markfara: Why can't we, as a nation, deal with things like child pornography without completely going off the deep end?


The problem is that if this isn't a crime, then kids will be able to freely share the CP, and if they can freely share the CP, the server can have the CP, and if the server can legitimately have CP, the administrator can view the CP and no one can do anything about it, and next thing you know, perverts and predators will be viewing the CP.

Inroads against predators have only been made with aggressive attempts at controlling the sources of CP. That is incompatible with allowing minors that much leeway.
2014-04-05 10:51:48 AM  
1 votes:
What is sexting? I need tips.

www.graveandmostglorious.com
2014-04-05 10:49:55 AM  
1 votes:
I just want to go on record stating that I strictly adhere to the rules of BIE.

However, when accompanied by a "wishlist", I consider it as classless as a spam email.

/amiright?
//amiwrong?
2014-04-05 10:45:11 AM  
1 votes:

buzzcut73: This is inappropriate and all that, but really, these are all a bunch of horned up teenagers being dumbasses.
Giving them criminal records, especially for things like 'child pornography' is not going to help them be productive members of society. In fact, it will pretty much guarantee that they'll not amount to much because when an employer sees 'child pron' they are not going to think 'nude selfie at 17 years of age'.


This is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to how mainstream this is in high school.
2014-04-05 10:42:32 AM  
1 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: BIE? I don't believe they exist.


They are real.
And they're spectacular.
2014-04-05 09:54:01 AM  
1 votes:

Speaker2Animals: I was born too soon.


The flip side is that all the stupid stuff you did as a teenager and in your twenties (often while drunk) didn't end up filmed on someones phone and uploaded to YouTube and beyond.
2014-04-05 09:42:36 AM  
1 votes:
It's pronounced Doo-mahs
2014-04-05 09:05:22 AM  
1 votes:
These young girls seem to be under the illusion that they own their bodies.
 
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