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2014-04-04 07:39:21 PM
Chief Dickhead reaches out to his fans.
 
2014-04-04 08:08:09 PM
Scalp that paleface.

Between them, the Braves and FSU, aren't they used to that shiat by now? Sure red face is just as offensive as black face but the white man never gave the blacks casinos.
 
2014-04-04 09:34:30 PM
He's shiatty
 
2014-04-04 10:14:04 PM
Man, that guy really gets my Irish up.  I would like to fight him.
 
2014-04-04 10:14:59 PM
Even though there are a couple of Farkers out there who try and say I get up on a soapbox if I bring up the historical smacking down Native Americans have gotten in general, or even being Choctaw/Arapaho/Kiowa/Comanche, I just gotta say, "Bwa-ha-ha-haaaa!"

He gets to be in the top half of my SARS Blanket list.
 
2014-04-04 10:16:23 PM
i291.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-04 10:17:05 PM
How many beads did he sell his tickets for?
 
2014-04-04 10:23:12 PM
The look on the guy's face is priceless.

/The tagged comments are good, too
 
2014-04-04 10:26:51 PM
himynameisawkward.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-04 10:33:54 PM

CygnusDarius: The look on the guy's face is priceless.


The Native American man's expression is better and looks like it can be summed up in one word.

"Really?"
 
2014-04-04 10:35:22 PM

Optimal_Illusion: Even though there are a couple of Farkers out there who try and say I get up on a soapbox if I bring up the historical smacking down Native Americans have gotten in general, or even being Choctaw/Arapaho/Kiowa/Comanche, I just gotta say, "Bwa-ha-ha-haaaa!"

He gets to be in the top half of my SARS Blanket list.


It's cool. As a whitey living in the heart of Muscogee Nation, I say:

There isn't a whole lot in this world that allows you to have an entitled attitude, but that counts.
 
2014-04-04 10:42:07 PM
i.kinja-img.com

"Hey bro...nothin' but respect...gimme some skin..."

- "Fark off paleface"
 
2014-04-04 10:54:24 PM
Who the fark cares? Mascots are the least of American Indian problems. Tackle them and then worry about this.
 
2014-04-04 10:56:49 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Who the fark cares? Mascots are the least of American Indian problems. Tackle them and then worry about this.



Are you saying we can't do both? How hard is it to change a stupid logo?
 
2014-04-04 10:56:53 PM

bentleypm: Man, that guy really gets my Irish up.  I would like to fight him.


Nobody ever says the Notre Dame mascot is racist, just that "Fightin' Irish" is redundant.

\Irish
\Got in fights with brothers coming out of church
 
2014-04-04 10:59:38 PM

Troy McClure: Mid_mo_mad_man: Who the fark cares? Mascots are the least of American Indian problems. Tackle them and then worry about this.


Are you saying we can't do both? How hard is it to change a stupid logo?


Why should they? It's thier property.
 
2014-04-04 11:07:11 PM

TheManofPA: He's shiatty


He's still shiatty.
 
2014-04-04 11:07:15 PM

jm105: Nobody ever says the Notre Dame mascot is racist, just that "Fightin' Irish" is redundant.


I do, but it's not as racist as that.
 
2014-04-04 11:09:14 PM

Troy McClure: Mid_mo_mad_man: Who the fark cares? Mascots are the least of American Indian problems. Tackle them and then worry about this.


Are you saying we can't do both? How hard is it to change a stupid logo?


THIS. Geesh.

I'm "Native American" (actually, it's fine to use the term "Indian" collectively for native Americans in the US, as some council f tribes decided this some years ago) and you wouldn't name another team after an ethnic group these days, would you? Would you have the New Jersey Italians? The Detroit Negroes? The San Diego Mexicans?

Of course not. If somebody dared, they wouldn't make it worse by using a kind-of racist caricature as their mascot.

The time has come to put this practice to rest.

On a side note, while "Indian" or "Redskin" (Which is far more offensive as names go) should probably be dropped, I think schools that use specific tribes  as team names, as long as they keep any sort of mascot respectful (or just don't have an actual mascot) is fine. I don't think tribal names should be used for professional teams, though.

I might add that "Braves" probably shouldn't get a pass, either.
 
2014-04-04 11:15:46 PM

LesserEvil: Troy McClure: Mid_mo_mad_man: Who the fark cares? Mascots are the least of American Indian problems. Tackle them and then worry about this.


Are you saying we can't do both? How hard is it to change a stupid logo?

THIS. Geesh.

I'm "Native American" (actually, it's fine to use the term "Indian" collectively for native Americans in the US, as some council f tribes decided this some years ago) and you wouldn't name another team after an ethnic group these days, would you? Would you have the New Jersey Italians? The Detroit Negroes? The San Diego Mexicans?

Of course not. If somebody dared, they wouldn't make it worse by using a kind-of racist caricature as their mascot.

The time has come to put this practice to rest.

On a side note, while "Indian" or "Redskin" (Which is far more offensive as names go) should probably be dropped, I think schools that use specific tribes  as team names, as long as they keep any sort of mascot respectful (or just don't have an actual mascot) is fine. I don't think tribal names should be used for professional teams, though.

I might add that "Braves" probably shouldn't get a pass, either.


I'd find it a little sad to lose team names with the history they have, but changing them wouldn't be a bad thing, for the reasons you state.
 
2014-04-04 11:50:41 PM

LesserEvil: Troy McClure: Mid_mo_mad_man: Who the fark cares? Mascots are the least of American Indian problems. Tackle them and then worry about this.


Are you saying we can't do both? How hard is it to change a stupid logo?

THIS. Geesh.

I'm "Native American" (actually, it's fine to use the term "Indian" collectively for native Americans in the US, as some council f tribes decided this some years ago) and you wouldn't name another team after an ethnic group these days, would you? Would you have the New Jersey Italians? The Detroit Negroes? The San Diego Mexicans?

Of course not. If somebody dared, they wouldn't make it worse by using a kind-of racist caricature as their mascot.

The time has come to put this practice to rest.

On a side note, while "Indian" or "Redskin" (Which is far more offensive as names go) should probably be dropped, I think schools that use specific tribes  as team names, as long as they keep any sort of mascot respectful (or just don't have an actual mascot) is fine. I don't think tribal names should be used for professional teams, though.

I might add that "Braves" probably shouldn't get a pass, either.


Honest question. Why the difference?
 
2014-04-04 11:54:13 PM
Gotta love institutionalized racism.
 
2014-04-04 11:54:55 PM
its just the Apache Tracker, you know that guy who wears that huge and cartoonishly inaccurate, horribly offensive Native American headdress


/only slightly obscure
//but not on fark
 
2014-04-05 12:03:32 AM

hitmanric: Honest question. Why the difference?


Well, for starters, they aren't using a generic blanket (well, there's an unintentional loaded term here) term for an ethnic group - indeed, tribal names aren't ethnic in some ways - they are more about a clan. Many tribes are honored by place names, and respectful use of their specific tribal names, in my mind, at least, feels much more honorable. Note that I said "schools" - I'm a little iffy on NCAA colleges (which will probably be outright professional teams in 25 years), but high schools tend to celebrate the heritage of an area.
 
2014-04-05 12:12:07 AM

LesserEvil: I might add that "Braves" probably shouldn't get a pass, either.


Fun fact, 'Braves' was less a Native American thing than It was a tribute to Tammany Hall, which had an Indian chief as their symbol, as they were named after a leader of the Lenape tribe named Tamanend. In 1912, James Gaffney, a Tammany man, bought the team and changed the name and logo to suit.

So really it's both Native American and Tammany, but it's Tammany first.
 
2014-04-05 12:14:11 AM

LesserEvil: hitmanric: Honest question. Why the difference?

Well, for starters, they aren't using a generic blanket (well, there's an unintentional loaded term here) term for an ethnic group - indeed, tribal names aren't ethnic in some ways - they are more about a clan. Many tribes are honored by place names, and respectful use of their specific tribal names, in my mind, at least, feels much more honorable. Note that I said "schools" - I'm a little iffy on NCAA colleges (which will probably be outright professional teams in 25 years), but high schools tend to celebrate the heritage of an area.


Celebrating heritage isn't enough sometimes. Unless I've been misinformed by the locals, the Fighting Sioux would have had to change their name unless there was some sort of financial compensation made to the local tribes. Apparently scholarships and student sponsorships weren't enough.
 
2014-04-05 12:19:35 AM
Yeah it's time we stop naming teams after groups of people considered honorable or strong or interesting like Cowboys, Sooners, 49ers, Packers, Indians, Vikings, Texans, Raiders, etc... And it's especially time we stop laughing at stupidly funny caricatures of those folks.

Redskins is actually a racist term. Different discussion.
 
2014-04-05 12:20:55 AM

LesserEvil: Troy McClure: Mid_mo_mad_man: Who the fark cares? Mascots are the least of American Indian problems. Tackle them and then worry about this.


Are you saying we can't do both? How hard is it to change a stupid logo?

THIS. Geesh.

I'm "Native American" (actually, it's fine to use the term "Indian" collectively for native Americans in the US, as some council f tribes decided this some years ago) and you wouldn't name another team after an ethnic group these days, would you? Would you have the New Jersey Italians? The Detroit Negroes? The San Diego Mexicans?

Of course not. If somebody dared, they wouldn't make it worse by using a kind-of racist caricature as their mascot.

The time has come to put this practice to rest.

On a side note, while "Indian" or "Redskin" (Which is far more offensive as names go) should probably be dropped, I think schools that use specific tribes  as team names, as long as they keep any sort of mascot respectful (or just don't have an actual mascot) is fine. I don't think tribal names should be used for professional teams, though.

I might add that "Braves" probably shouldn't get a pass, either.


Redskins is not an offensive term. It's a football team. A hundred years ago you might have been right. Nowadays you hear the term and people think DC.
 
2014-04-05 12:35:24 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: LesserEvil: Troy McClure: Mid_mo_mad_man: Who the fark cares? Mascots are the least of American Indian problems. Tackle them and then worry about this.


Are you saying we can't do both? How hard is it to change a stupid logo?

THIS. Geesh.

I'm "Native American" (actually, it's fine to use the term "Indian" collectively for native Americans in the US, as some council f tribes decided this some years ago) and you wouldn't name another team after an ethnic group these days, would you? Would you have the New Jersey Italians? The Detroit Negroes? The San Diego Mexicans?

Of course not. If somebody dared, they wouldn't make it worse by using a kind-of racist caricature as their mascot.

The time has come to put this practice to rest.

On a side note, while "Indian" or "Redskin" (Which is far more offensive as names go) should probably be dropped, I think schools that use specific tribes  as team names, as long as they keep any sort of mascot respectful (or just don't have an actual mascot) is fine. I don't think tribal names should be used for professional teams, though.

I might add that "Braves" probably shouldn't get a pass, either.

Redskins is not an offensive term. It's a football team. A hundred years ago you might have been right. Nowadays you hear the term and people think DC.


Actually, I hear the term "redskin" and immediately think of potatoes.

They really need to just take on spuds as a mascot and be done with it.

<potatoes.gif>
 
2014-04-05 12:49:36 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: LesserEvil: Troy McClure: Mid_mo_mad_man: Who the fark cares? Mascots are the least of American Indian problems. Tackle them and then worry about this.


Are you saying we can't do both? How hard is it to change a stupid logo?

THIS. Geesh.

I'm "Native American" (actually, it's fine to use the term "Indian" collectively for native Americans in the US, as some council f tribes decided this some years ago) and you wouldn't name another team after an ethnic group these days, would you? Would you have the New Jersey Italians? The Detroit Negroes? The San Diego Mexicans?

Of course not. If somebody dared, they wouldn't make it worse by using a kind-of racist caricature as their mascot.

The time has come to put this practice to rest.

On a side note, while "Indian" or "Redskin" (Which is far more offensive as names go) should probably be dropped, I think schools that use specific tribes  as team names, as long as they keep any sort of mascot respectful (or just don't have an actual mascot) is fine. I don't think tribal names should be used for professional teams, though.

I might add that "Braves" probably shouldn't get a pass, either.

Redskins is not an offensive term. It's a football team. A hundred years ago you might have been right. Nowadays you hear the term and people think DC.

Please stop. Please stop being so dense, disingenuous, and willfully argumentative. In other words, stop trolling. The history of this great country is stained with the blood of Native Americans. The least we can do is respect the few remaining that are still here.

 
2014-04-05 12:50:56 AM
Then it's a good thing I have some injun in me.  I'm not sure which tribe or how much but I know it's from Canada.

Thanks ancestors for letting me tan easy!  You're awesome
 
2014-04-05 12:53:21 AM
The Washington Bullets called.
Just to ask what all the fuss is about.
 
2014-04-05 01:16:10 AM
I'm 1/32 Cherokee and am okay with Redskins, Braves, and Indians.

I'm offended by the Mariners though.
 
2014-04-05 01:33:03 AM
Irish is a race?
 
2014-04-05 01:36:30 AM

Keith Moon: Mid_mo_mad_man: LesserEvil: Troy McClure: Mid_mo_mad_man: Who the fark cares? Mascots are the least of American Indian problems. Tackle them and then worry about this.


Are you saying we can't do both? How hard is it to change a stupid logo?

THIS. Geesh.

I'm "Native American" (actually, it's fine to use the term "Indian" collectively for native Americans in the US, as some council f tribes decided this some years ago) and you wouldn't name another team after an ethnic group these days, would you? Would you have the New Jersey Italians? The Detroit Negroes? The San Diego Mexicans?

Of course not. If somebody dared, they wouldn't make it worse by using a kind-of racist caricature as their mascot.

The time has come to put this practice to rest.

On a side note, while "Indian" or "Redskin" (Which is far more offensive as names go) should probably be dropped, I think schools that use specific tribes  as team names, as long as they keep any sort of mascot respectful (or just don't have an actual mascot) is fine. I don't think tribal names should be used for professional teams, though.

I might add that "Braves" probably shouldn't get a pass, either.

Redskins is not an offensive term. It's a football team. A hundred years ago you might have been right. Nowadays you hear the term and people think DC.

Please stop. Please stop being so dense, disingenuous, and willfully argumentative. In other words, stop trolling. The history of this great country is stained with the blood of Native Americans. The least we can do is respect the few remaining that are still here.


We came we conquered. We have no reason to feel the least bit gulity about it. It's the past. No group of people has the right to not be offended. Don't like a team? Don't buy thier items or tickets.
 
2014-04-05 01:36:42 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Troy McClure: Mid_mo_mad_man: Who the fark cares? Mascots are the least of American Indian problems. Tackle them and then worry about this.


Are you saying we can't do both? How hard is it to change a stupid logo?

Why should they? It's thier property.


Huh. I would have guessed that if Dan Snyder had a Fark account, he would at least be able to spell. But no.
 
2014-04-05 01:37:39 AM

jm105: bentleypm: Man, that guy really gets my Irish up.  I would like to fight him.

Nobody ever says the Notre Dame mascot is racist, just that "Fightin' Irish" is redundant.

\Irish
\Got in fights with brothers coming out of church


Irish is the correct preferred name. Indian how ever is just idiotic in this day and age. I say if they change their names to Ojibwe  everyone wins then.
 
2014-04-05 01:39:42 AM

Rozotorical: jm105: bentleypm: Man, that guy really gets my Irish up.  I would like to fight him.

Nobody ever says the Notre Dame mascot is racist, just that "Fightin' Irish" is redundant.

\Irish
\Got in fights with brothers coming out of church

Irish is the correct preferred name. Indian how ever is just idiotic in this day and age. I say if they change their names to Ojibwe  everyone wins then.


American Indian is the correct term.
 
2014-04-05 01:40:19 AM
"For all the shiat we give wrong idiot Dan Snyder"

No. You are wrong idiot writer, You also  snot nose booger face!
 
2014-04-05 01:40:34 AM

DrBenway: Huh. I would have guessed that if Dan Snyder had a Fark account, he would at least be able to spell. But no.


Can we lock Dan Snyder and Suey Park in a box together?

Nothing more after that, just put them in a box.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2GVel4Hxd8&list=PLxfJCRdAzYrXXwMT98h lb MNhP6QCwxldq
 
2014-04-05 01:43:15 AM

LesserEvil: Troy McClure: Mid_mo_mad_man: Who the fark cares? Mascots are the least of American Indian problems. Tackle them and then worry about this.


Are you saying we can't do both? How hard is it to change a stupid logo?

THIS. Geesh.

I'm "Native American" (actually, it's fine to use the term "Indian" collectively for native Americans in the US, as some council f tribes decided this some years ago) and you wouldn't name another team after an ethnic group these days, would you? Would you have the New Jersey Italians? The Detroit Negroes? The San Diego Mexicans?

Of course not. If somebody dared, they wouldn't make it worse by using a kind-of racist caricature as their mascot.

The time has come to put this practice to rest.

On a side note, while "Indian" or "Redskin" (Which is far more offensive as names go) should probably be dropped, I think schools that use specific tribes  as team names, as long as they keep any sort of mascot respectful (or just don't have an actual mascot) is fine. I don't think tribal names should be used for professional teams, though.

I might add that "Braves" probably shouldn't get a pass, either.


What's wrong with a team called the Mexicans? Remind me again what I should find offensive about being called a Mexican?
 
2014-04-05 01:45:13 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Rozotorical: jm105: bentleypm: Man, that guy really gets my Irish up.  I would like to fight him.

Nobody ever says the Notre Dame mascot is racist, just that "Fightin' Irish" is redundant.

\Irish
\Got in fights with brothers coming out of church

Irish is the correct preferred name. Indian how ever is just idiotic in this day and age. I say if they change their names to Ojibwe  everyone wins then.

American Indian is the correct term.


So then call the team the American Indians.....


//no no not Indian American.
 
2014-04-05 02:01:47 AM
He needs a baggie full of spray paint to complete the costume.
 
2014-04-05 02:28:15 AM
Oh, come on.  People keep overreacting.  When it's done out of respect, it's not racist to dress up as a nat... oh.  Nevermind.
 
2014-04-05 02:34:57 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Redskins is not an offensive term.


Not trying to get into a fight here, but I'd just ask... would you go onto an Indian reservation and engage a bunch of residents with "hey redskins, how are you all doing?!"

I do think its seen as an offensive term, unless I'm wrong.  But I certainty wouldn't call a native American "redskin" to their face.  That's my litmus test.

Also for the Dan Snyders of the world (a known idiot when it comes to running a football team and everything else)... you know you're too close to the line.  Are you on the right side of the line?  If you are... its by inches.  re-name the team.  (Oh and when you do re-name the team, you have millions and millions of dollars coming to you... if that's what interests you.)
 
2014-04-05 02:50:22 AM

Boojum2k: I'd find it a little sad to lose team names with the history they have, but changing them wouldn't be a bad thing, for the reasons you state.


a little sad: losing team names with the history they have

more sad: actual history

www.nps.gov
 
2014-04-05 02:53:03 AM

Dr. Steve Brule: a little sad: losing team names with the history they have more sad: actual history


Um, yeah. That's pretty much what I said.
 
2014-04-05 03:04:37 AM
So what's the story on this?

Who set it up?

Because I don't believe it's just a random picture someone just happened to take.
 
2014-04-05 03:30:53 AM

downstairs: Mid_mo_mad_man: Redskins is not an offensive term.

Not trying to get into a fight here, but I'd just ask... would you go onto an Indian reservation and engage a bunch of residents with "hey redskins, how are you all doing?!"

I do think its seen as an offensive term, unless I'm wrong.  But I certainty wouldn't call a native American "redskin" to their face.  That's my litmus test.

Also for the Dan Snyders of the world (a known idiot when it comes to running a football team and everything else)... you know you're too close to the line.  Are you on the right side of the line?  If you are... its by inches.  re-name the team.  (Oh and when you do re-name the team, you have millions and millions of dollars coming to you... if that's what interests you.)


Do you know anyone who's used it as a slur? I doubt anybody on Fark has. No one uses it anymore.
 
2014-04-05 08:05:10 AM
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