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(Daily Mail)   Photographer spends a year in the underworld of Chicago's heroin epidemic, brings back harrowing images of potent Mexican drug that's been sweeping the city   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 87
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2014-04-04 07:47:41 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk

static.giantbomb.com
 
2014-04-04 07:56:09 PM
That brother must be sporting upwards of $40, easily.
 
2014-04-04 08:06:12 PM

Mugato: That brother must be sporting upwards of $40, easily.


Oh easily. See those bills right under the twenty?  Those ain't singles, baybee.

Hunnert fiddy.  At least.
 
2014-04-04 08:09:07 PM
That IS one hell of a drug.

/scary sh*t
 
2014-04-04 08:16:27 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: That IS one hell of a drug.

/scary sh*t


No doubt.  If you haven't seen it, check out Drugs Inc. on National Geographic sometime.  It's goddamn heartbreaking.  One addict took the cameras into the house where he was squatting and showed them around.  He picked up a Fisher Price toy and pointed to a mirror on it and said "See, this is really nice, because then you can see your neck when you're shooting up."
 
2014-04-04 08:53:47 PM
damnit I was looking for that second pic for aother thread......


Anyway.
Ummmm....Mexican drug?

go.sky.com
 
2014-04-04 09:12:12 PM

PainInTheASP: AlwaysRightBoy: That IS one hell of a drug.

/scary sh*t

No doubt.  If you haven't seen it, check out Drugs Inc. on National Geographic sometime.  It's goddamn heartbreaking.  One addict took the cameras into the house where he was squatting and showed them around.  He picked up a Fisher Price toy and pointed to a mirror on it and said "See, this is really nice, because then you can see your neck when you're shooting up."


The only person I knew personally in my youth that was a heroin addict died before he was 30. Looked 50 years old when he died.

/devastating drug.. and I lived right across from the Bronx for crack craze in the 80s.
 
2014-04-04 09:23:00 PM
Drug addiction is a horrible thing. But how in the world could a homeless person get access to heroin on a daily basis? Isn't it expensive? I would guess by begging for money or stealing items and fencing them. What a pitiful existence to be homeless and a needle freak. So very sad. Although, i can't really believe "poverty" is a valid excuse for being a junkie. Hell, i work more than 40 hours a week, and i can't afford to buy drugs, which i don't want to do anyway. I consider myself on the low bar of income vs. middle class, and i have never had the idea that shooting random drugs into my body for fun would be a good idea. Not hating on those that do, but just saying i can't understand why would someone wish to do that?
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-04-04 09:23:34 PM

cretinbob: .Mexican drug?


Yeah, man.  Heroin also comes from Mexico, in what is known as "black tar" heroin.
 
2014-04-04 09:26:44 PM
i190.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-04 09:26:54 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: That IS one hell of a drug.

/scary sh*t


I tried it a couple of times when I was stationed in Italy in the early 80s, where it was plentiful and cheap. I sawthe appeal right away and stayed away.

Still doesn't kill you as fast or miserably as meth, so there's that.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-04-04 09:27:05 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: i can't understand why would someone wish to do that?


It happens.  I can't explain how it happened to me.  I never thought I would be a heroin addict, but I worked my way there.  You are in a good position when you say that you cannot understand it.  This indicates that you lack the ability to understand the mindsets that evolve in a person that allows them to begin to use harder and harder drugs.  For you, it is unimaginable.  I'm not faulting you for it at all.  It's akin to being unable to understand a political position opposite your own.
 
2014-04-04 09:28:32 PM
The article said the average junky uses 20 bags a day. Where are these bums getting $200 a day? Even if they are all thieves, that still seems like a hefty price tag.
 
2014-04-04 09:30:53 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Drug addiction is a horrible thing. But how in the world could a homeless person get access to heroin on a daily basis? Isn't it expensive? I would guess by begging for money or stealing items and fencing them. What a pitiful existence to be homeless and a needle freak. So very sad. Although, i can't really believe "poverty" is a valid excuse for being a junkie. Hell, i work more than 40 hours a week, and i can't afford to buy drugs, which i don't want to do anyway. I consider myself on the low bar of income vs. middle class, and i have never had the idea that shooting random drugs into my body for fun would be a good idea. Not hating on those that do, but just saying i can't understand why would someone wish to do that?


Hint: they're not doing it for fun.
 
2014-04-04 09:31:35 PM

433: cretinbob: .Mexican drug?

Yeah, man.  Heroin also comes from Mexico, in what is known as "black tar" heroin.


Not that I want to defend the cartels or anything (quite the opposite, fark 'em, I actually root for the autodefensas), but the are no good drugs flowing from Mexico, huh?.

Slightly related, a friend of mine had a hypothetical idea of buying seeds of Amsterdam pot and sell it here, locally, with a legend strapped to the bags that said 'This is blood-free marijuana. This product was grown in a loving home, and does not support the drug cartels'.

We all thought it was a good idea, until two dudes in cowboy attire and sporting AKs came to your house and killed you/burn your house with everything in it.
 
2014-04-04 09:32:18 PM

433: cretinbob: .Mexican drug?

Yeah, man.  Heroin also comes from Mexico, in what is known as "black tar" heroin.


I know it also comes from Mexico now, but the vast majority still comes from Afghanistan.
 
2014-04-04 09:32:33 PM

a particular individual:


AWESOME Pic!

The Mexican drug is handmade tamales, and it's NOT a problem.
 
2014-04-04 09:32:34 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Isn't it expensive?


Not really, like $10-20 a bag and when you figure out how much money you save not eating
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_efSUJ5UQOY&list=PLF82452FA29BF0729 nsfw language
 
2014-04-04 09:33:36 PM
i174.photobucket.com

Let them use
 
2014-04-04 09:33:39 PM
If they want a sequel they can film in Baltimore next. We even have our own blog about it: thatguysonheroin.com
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-04-04 09:34:06 PM

kmt11: Where are these bums getting $200 a day?


Where I live in Texas, 1/10 of a gram is 10 dollars, what is known as "point for point."  I understand this price is very common throughout the US.  Assuming this is the price in Chicago, they are saying that the average addict is using 2 grams of heroin a day.  2 grams of heroin is a lot of heroin to be using daily.  That being said, if that is the point a user has reached, it is the amount a user will need to avoid withdrawal symptoms.
 
2014-04-04 09:35:18 PM

cretinbob: damnit I was looking for that second pic for aother thread......


Anyway.
Ummmm....Mexican drug?

[go.sky.com image 450x250]


Well, if you people have a better way of funding CIA black ops, I'd like to hear it.
 
2014-04-04 09:35:47 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Drug addiction is a horrible thing. But how in the world could a homeless person get access to heroin on a daily basis? Isn't it expensive? I would guess by begging for money or stealing items and fencing them. What a pitiful existence to be homeless and a needle freak. So very sad. Although, i can't really believe "poverty" is a valid excuse for being a junkie. Hell, i work more than 40 hours a week, and i can't afford to buy drugs, which i don't want to do anyway. I consider myself on the low bar of income vs. middle class, and i have never had the idea that shooting random drugs into my body for fun would be a good idea. Not hating on those that do, but just saying i can't understand why would someone wish to do that?


Most homeless smack addicts were addicts before they were homeless.  In fact, it's often what leads to them becoming homeless.
 
2014-04-04 09:35:48 PM
They pixelated inserted needles?  THAT'S their line?
 
2014-04-04 09:36:21 PM

alcoholwasinvolved: Let them use


Darwin approves 90 compassion. It's an evolutionary advantage.

Standing erect won't get you even with the rest of us but it's a start.
 
2014-04-04 09:36:27 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: But how in the world could a homeless person get access to heroin on a daily basis? Isn't it expensive? I would guess by begging for money or stealing items and fencing them.


Amsterdam finally learned their lesson and began giving out needles and heroin to registered users.  Most held down 9-5 jobs; they were addicts, but they were productive, functional addicts.  Crime is way down, disease is way down, deaths are way down.

In the US, we throw people in jail for just having the paraphernalia!  They have to hunt for a dealer, so can't hold a job.  No job, no money, so they rob, steal or prostitute.  Crime is up (don't forget about those "for profit" prisons!), disease is up, deaths from OD or bad junk are up.

Will the US ever adopt the Amsterdam Model?  Not as long as there are "small government", zero-tolerance, boot-strappy people who were born on 3rd base and think they hit a triple to get there.

JUST SAY NO, MORANS.
 
2014-04-04 09:37:16 PM

brimed03: Hint: they're not doing it for fun.


Sure they are. Didn't you see Pulp Fiction? You can shoot up, win a twist contest and almost score with Uma Thurman. And when she ODs you can still have the presence of mind to drive to a friend's house and perform a medical procedure on her and drive her home. Good times.
 
2014-04-04 09:37:19 PM

433: Bit'O'Gristle: i can't understand why would someone wish to do that?

It happens.  I can't explain how it happened to me.  I never thought I would be a heroin addict, but I worked my way there.  You are in a good position when you say that you cannot understand it.  This indicates that you lack the ability to understand the mindsets that evolve in a person that allows them to begin to use harder and harder drugs.  For you, it is unimaginable.  I'm not faulting you for it at all.  It's akin to being unable to understand a political position opposite your own.



/Well, im sorry to hear that you had / have that addiction. As to your political reference, i agree with some on both sides of the fence. I don't know what that makes me, but i see retardation on both sides, and some good.  My sister is such as yourself.  She started with pot (and no, im not saying that pot made her go to bigger things) but she did anyway. Name it, she tried it.  It pretty much destroyed her mind, and now she's on SSI and unable to have a job due to her mental state that has put her in a mental hospital against her will.  If anything good came out of that, it was that it flushed her system of all that crap that she was putting in herself.  And i have had a few operations where they gave me a pre op shot of morphine. Good stuff, but i can't imagine myself wanting to feel that as a habit.  Felt too "out of control" of myself.  Much like being drunk. I hope you have kicked the habit, or are working on it.

/Good luck mate...cheers
 
2014-04-04 09:37:29 PM

433: kmt11: Where are these bums getting $200 a day?

Where I live in Texas, 1/10 of a gram is 10 dollars, what is known as "point for point."  I understand this price is very common throughout the US.  Assuming this is the price in Chicago, they are saying that the average addict is using 2 grams of heroin a day.  2 grams of heroin is a lot of heroin to be using daily.  That being said, if that is the point a user has reached, it is the amount a user will need to avoid withdrawal symptoms.


So the question remains - where do they get $200 a day?  I assume stealing and panhandling?  Whoring?
 
2014-04-04 09:37:40 PM

fusillade762: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x566]


shiat, he's got 36 bucks.

I think I spent that much on Chinese today.

/not counting the bourbon.  Knob Creek FTW
/Knob Creek supplies already dangerously low :(
 
2014-04-04 09:37:50 PM

brimed03: alcoholwasinvolved: Let them use

Darwin approves 90 compassion. It's an evolutionary advantage.

Standing erect won't get you even with the rest of us but it's a start.


*of. Not "90." F*cking mobile auto-correct will be the cause when I finally snap.
 
2014-04-04 09:41:54 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Not hating on those that do, but just saying i can't understand why would someone wish to do that?


I can think of some reasons:

1) Trying to blot out memories of chronic sexual abuse
2) Intractable pain that has resisted every other drug out there
3) Forced by your pimp

Why would someone want to gamble?  Jump out of an airplane?  SCUBA dive to dangerous depths?  Lots of risky, addictive behaviors out there besides drugs.
 
2014-04-04 09:43:16 PM

PainInTheASP: AlwaysRightBoy: That IS one hell of a drug.

/scary sh*t

No doubt.  If you haven't seen it, check out Drugs Inc. on National Geographic sometime.  It's goddamn heartbreaking.  One addict took the cameras into the house where he was squatting and showed them around.  He picked up a Fisher Price toy and pointed to a mirror on it and said "See, this is really nice, because then you can see your neck when you're shooting up."


It's funny you mention that.  I was addicted to snorting heroin, almost got addicted to injecting it (it's actually really freaking hard to inject when you're teaching yourself).  I remember as I was getting ready to cut up some more lines, I looked at a picture of me and my girlfriend of the time.  It was in a fancy silver frame that she had bought me one year, with thick glass and everything.  Literally, my first thought was "man, that glass would make a really good surface to cut up some lines on".  And that's exactly what I proceeded to use it for.
 
2014-04-04 09:43:51 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Drug addiction is a horrible thing. But how in the world could a homeless person get access to heroin on a daily basis? Isn't it expensive? I would guess by begging for money or stealing items and fencing them. What a pitiful existence to be homeless and a needle freak. So very sad. Although, i can't really believe "poverty" is a valid excuse for being a junkie. Hell, i work more than 40 hours a week, and i can't afford to buy drugs, which i don't want to do anyway. I consider myself on the low bar of income vs. middle class, and i have never had the idea that shooting random drugs into my body for fun would be a good idea. Not hating on those that do, but just saying i can't understand why would someone wish to do that?


From what I understand almost nobody just goes and shoots up without a pretty serious drug problem already. Maybe they got started on prescription opiates and can't get them anymore, maybe they wind up buying it because it's cheap and they can't afford the drug they started with, or maybe they just work their way up to smoking it and eventually that doesn't cut it. There's really not much decision making involved.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-04-04 09:44:38 PM
Bit'O'Gristle:

It was definitely a problem I had, thank you!  I'm sorry to hear about what developed with your sister.  It took a long time before I was willing to give life without drugs the chance it deserves, and even still, most days of the week, tests of the will are thrown.  Using drugs to feel better is an attractive option, even in light of the detriments.
 
2014-04-04 09:45:42 PM
And what the fark is up with the 4th picture of the guy shooting through his shirt into his bicep?  Even the caption says he's intentionally shooting into his muscle.  Just how good is this heroin that you can shoot it intramuscularly?  From my brief experience with injecting (and this was similar northeast pure white powder heroin, not that black tar sludge), if you miss your vein and hit your muscle, that's called a wasted shot.  It's less effective than snorting it, and you end up with a sore itchy rash for a day.
 
2014-04-04 09:50:49 PM
$200 a day!?
Man, if they quit that crap they'd make more than the rest of us.
 
2014-04-04 09:53:06 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: I consider myself on the low bar of income vs. middle class, and i have never had the idea that shooting random drugs into my body for fun would be a good idea. Not hating on those that do, but just saying i can't understand why would someone wish to do that?


Well I can tell you why I did.  Combination of many reasons.  The first being a long-standing curiosity - I had always told myself that I would never ever go near the stuff, but yet the fact that it was so addictive made me wonder what it felt like.  Combined with all the songs, musicians, artists, authors who have wrote about it, I was always just a little curious.  Also a feeling of invulnerability - I was at a pretty good point in my life at the time, good job, good education, loving friends and girlfriend, loving life in general - nothing could possibly take me down!  I'm stronger than that!  I'm smarter than the average bear!  Those other people were just weak!  School always taught me that weed would make me homeless and begging on the street, and they lied, so maybe they lied about other drugs too (a surprisingly common thought pattern amongst my peers).  And finally, a trigger to set me over the edge into trying it for the first time - could be anything, but for me it was just a brief fight with my girlfriend that I wanted to stop thinking about for a little while.  

And then its "Heeeey, this is really nice, and I don't feel addicted the day after.  What's the worst that could happen if I do it every weekend?  Heeeey, every weekend is nice, what's the worst that could happen if I do it every 2-3 days?  Heeeey, I'm starting to feel a little sick on the days that I don't do it now, maybe I should stop?  Then again, I'm only feeling a  littlesick, I know I could get over it just fine if I really tried, so what's another few more days weeks months?

That's how it happens.
 
2014-04-04 09:53:59 PM

eyemarten: The Mexican drug is handmade tamales, and it's NOT a problem.


It is when I eat too damed many
 
2014-04-04 09:54:51 PM

alcoholwasinvolved: Let them use


Just like the methy white trash across the way, it doesn't guarantee they don't breed before they get one last fix.
 
2014-04-04 09:56:52 PM

433: Bit'O'Gristle:

It was definitely a problem I had, thank you!  I'm sorry to hear about what developed with your sister.  It took a long time before I was willing to give life without drugs the chance it deserves, and even still, most days of the week, tests of the will are thrown.  Using drugs to feel better is an attractive option, even in light of the detriments.


/smiles..good to hear that youre off that shiat.  Smoking is my only vice, i don't drink really, but smoking is bad enough. Not comparing it to heroin use of course, but still a nasty habit.  Have gone to a e-cig to try to wean myself off, and seems to be working.  But great news about you being off it.  Good luck on the bad days.
 
2014-04-04 09:57:50 PM

wildcardjack: alcoholwasinvolved: Let them use

Just like the methy white trash across the way, it doesn't guarantee they don't breed before they get one last fix.


No, but it guarantees they don't breed more users.  Just look at Netherlands, or Portugal.  You can't get heroin on the streets, because it's already sold by the government.  But you can't get heroin from the government unless you test positive for heroin, meaning you're already an addict.  End result is that the addicts are dying off and disappearing.  They're all 40+ years old now.
 
2014-04-04 10:00:03 PM
I've never understood the allure of smack. you don't get nothing done nodding off and opiates constipate me anyway
 
2014-04-04 10:04:05 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Drug addiction is a horrible thing. But how in the world could a homeless person get access to heroin on a daily basis? Isn't it expensive? I would guess by begging for money or stealing items and fencing them. What a pitiful existence to be homeless and a needle freak. So very sad. Although, i can't really believe "poverty" is a valid excuse for being a junkie. Hell, i work more than 40 hours a week, and i can't afford to buy drugs, which i don't want to do anyway. I consider myself on the low bar of income vs. middle class, and i have never had the idea that shooting random drugs into my body for fun would be a good idea. Not hating on those that do, but just saying i can't understand why would someone wish to do that?


A lot of people living in poverty end up drug addicts simply because when you start out, it's a quick, easy, and somewhat cheap means of escaping your boring, sad life.  When you have more money and the ability to fill your time with other pursuits, you are actually less likely to get hooked or even want to experiment.

Obviously this isn't 100%, and there are a lot of reasons either way.  But demographically speaking...
 
2014-04-04 10:13:26 PM

kmt11: The article said the average junky uses 20 bags a day. Where are these bums getting $200 a day? Even if they are all thieves, that still seems like a hefty price tag.


toothless blowjobs@$5 per
 
2014-04-04 10:15:22 PM
Shadowknight:

A lot of people living in poverty end up drug addicts simply because when you start out, it's a quick, easy, and somewhat cheap means of escaping your boring, sad life.  When you have more money and the ability to fill your time with other pursuits, you are actually less likely to get hooked or even want to experiment.

Obviously this isn't 100%, and there are a lot of reasons either way.  But demographically speaking...


I've definitely heard that to be true of homeless people.  They say that you don't become a drug addict and then end up homeless, you become homeless and end up a drug addict.  In between searching for jobs, peeing, sleeping, and eating, there's only so much brick walls you can stare at until you get bored.
 
2014-04-04 10:25:25 PM

indy_kid: Bit'O'Gristle: But how in the world could a homeless person get access to heroin on a daily basis? Isn't it expensive? I would guess by begging for money or stealing items and fencing them.

Amsterdam finally learned their lesson and began giving out needles and heroin to registered users.  Most held down 9-5 jobs; they were addicts, but they were productive, functional addicts.  Crime is way down, disease is way down, deaths are way down.

In the US, we throw people in jail for just having the paraphernalia!  They have to hunt for a dealer, so can't hold a job.  No job, no money, so they rob, steal or prostitute.  Crime is up (don't forget about those "for profit" prisons!), disease is up, deaths from OD or bad junk are up.

Will the US ever adopt the Amsterdam Model?  Not as long as there are "small government", zero-tolerance, boot-strappy people who were born on 3rd base and think they hit a triple to get there.

JUST SAY NO, MORANS.


Why does it matter?
 
2014-04-04 10:26:22 PM
Back in the '90s, "heroin chic" was a thing.  I remember one of my friends introducing his new girlfriend and I almost remarked on emaciated she looked, literally skin and bones.   Eventually she did get him hooked on snorting it.

moeburn: Just look at Netherlands, or Portugal. You can't get heroin on the streets, because it's already sold by the government. But you can't get heroin from the government unless you test positive for heroin, meaning you're already an addict. End result is that the addicts are dying off and disappearing. They're all 40+ years old now.


Interesting plan.   Seems like having open borders is a fatal flaw, isn't gov't heroin a serious draw for addicts to immigrate?
 
2014-04-04 10:28:23 PM

moeburn: wildcardjack: alcoholwasinvolved: Let them use

Just like the methy white trash across the way, it doesn't guarantee they don't breed before they get one last fix.

No, but it guarantees they don't breed more users.  Just look at Netherlands, or Portugal.  You can't get heroin on the streets, because it's already sold by the government.  But you can't get heroin from the government unless you test positive for heroin, meaning you're already an addict.  End result is that the addicts are dying off and disappearing.  They're all 40+ years old now.


Ah, yes. My favorite bit of addressing a problem in a manner to eliminate a market. There was a clever lateral thinker involved.
 
2014-04-04 10:34:40 PM

ChicagoKev: Back in the '90s, "heroin chic" was a thing.  I remember one of my friends introducing his new girlfriend and I almost remarked on emaciated she looked, literally skin and bones.   Eventually she did get him hooked on snorting it.

moeburn: Just look at Netherlands, or Portugal. You can't get heroin on the streets, because it's already sold by the government. But you can't get heroin from the government unless you test positive for heroin, meaning you're already an addict. End result is that the addicts are dying off and disappearing. They're all 40+ years old now.

Interesting plan.   Seems like having open borders is a fatal flaw, isn't gov't heroin a serious draw for addicts to immigrate?


Yes. And the Netherlands are struggling with it.
 
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