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2014-04-04 09:13:13 PM  

MFAWG: Lenny_da_Hog: MFAWG: And that's kind of my point. In the 60s and 70s you had mainstream Christians very involved in civil rights, nuclear proliferation, and economic issues in the US. And that was really true going back 100 years at least.

You've also had mainstream Christians opposing every change.

The word "Christian" tells you nothing without a long string of modifiers and brand affiliations. There are literally thousands of different belief sets that all call themselves "Christian."

True enough, and I think what we have isa very loud minority that really make the majority look bad. The problem is that the majority don't seem willing or even able to do anything about it.


Yeah its all Fred Phelps fault! Modern Christian's would never have done anything scummy if it weren't for those bastards at Westboro Baptist.
 
2014-04-04 09:15:19 PM  
18%?

The atheists have won.

Guess I'll give up my belief in God now.

/since they are a majority and all
 
2014-04-04 09:17:01 PM  

Truther: 18%?

The atheists have won.

Guess I'll give up my belief in God now.

/since they are a majority and all


No, you keep right on truthing. The world needs people who truth.
 
2014-04-04 09:17:02 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Boojum2k: talkertopc: I'm an Atheist but I think people are jumping the gun in equating no religious affiliation with atheism. I don't know any other Atheists but I do know people who believe there is a God but claim not to believe in any religion, those people still practice some religious rituals (baptism, wedding) for cultural reasons.

I'm an agnostic atheist and Christmas is still my favorite holiday, for the "getting together with friends and family" aspect along with trying to surprise someone with a cool gift. Also, shopping is easy when you're a big guy in a leather jacket.

/or Amazon

You cannot be an agnostic atheist. You are either an Agnostic or an Atheist.


Noooo! It's trendy! It's on the internet and *everything*!

It's funnier to point out that when the word "agnostic" was coined in the late 1800s, it meant exactly the same thing as "atheist". The words were interchangeable. After a few decades, it evolved to be adopted by people who questioned religion, but were uncommitted -- they didn't know if they themselves believed.

Now, Interwebbies have gone back to the root word as if it were an ancient concept, and now apply it as an adjective to "theism" and "atheism" on that silly 4-square chart, as if that's the way people actually think about themselves.
 
2014-04-04 09:17:08 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Boojum2k: talkertopc: I'm an Atheist but I think people are jumping the gun in equating no religious affiliation with atheism. I don't know any other Atheists but I do know people who believe there is a God but claim not to believe in any religion, those people still practice some religious rituals (baptism, wedding) for cultural reasons.

I'm an agnostic atheist and Christmas is still my favorite holiday, for the "getting together with friends and family" aspect along with trying to surprise someone with a cool gift. Also, shopping is easy when you're a big guy in a leather jacket.

/or Amazon

You cannot be an agnostic atheist. You are either an Agnostic or an Atheist.


1/10. Overdone to the point of absurdity by now. One free point for posting before letrole comes in with the atheism is a religion line.
 
2014-04-04 09:17:24 PM  
My biggest reason for turning over to the dark side.

img.fark.net

/ Thank you internet!
 
2014-04-04 09:17:34 PM  

Truther: 18%?

The atheists have won.

Guess I'll give up my belief in God now.

/since they are a majority and all


0-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2014-04-04 09:17:45 PM  

ScaryBottles: MFAWG: Lenny_da_Hog: MFAWG: And that's kind of my point. In the 60s and 70s you had mainstream Christians very involved in civil rights, nuclear proliferation, and economic issues in the US. And that was really true going back 100 years at least.

You've also had mainstream Christians opposing every change.

The word "Christian" tells you nothing without a long string of modifiers and brand affiliations. There are literally thousands of different belief sets that all call themselves "Christian."

True enough, and I think what we have isa very loud minority that really make the majority look bad. The problem is that the majority don't seem willing or even able to do anything about it.

Yeah its all Fred Phelps fault! Modern Christian's would never have done anything scummy if it weren't for those bastards at Westboro Baptist.


That's exactly what I said, yes.

FWIW, I personally find the OMGCHRITUNSARETEHSTUPIDZ crowd at least as annoying and way more inflexible than most.

So there's that.
 
2014-04-04 09:17:49 PM  

doosh: As a gen-x'er I remember back in the 80's and early 90's when I had to think twice before admitting to someone I was an atheist. usually there was a gasp of disbelief but sometimes people would get visibly upset.


Where did you live?

Alabama?
 
2014-04-04 09:22:10 PM  

Truther: doosh: As a gen-x'er I remember back in the 80's and early 90's when I had to think twice before admitting to someone I was an atheist. usually there was a gasp of disbelief but sometimes people would get visibly upset.

Where did you live?

Alabama?


Rural anywhere.
 
2014-04-04 09:23:09 PM  

talkertopc: I'm an Atheist but I think people are jumping the gun in equating no religious affiliation with atheism. I don't know any other Atheists but I do know people who believe there is a God but claim not to believe in any religion, those people still practice some religious rituals (baptism, wedding) for cultural reasons.


Beyond that, there are a lot of people who self-identify as atheist but that doesn't mean they don't believe in stupid bullshiat. There are healthy interests among younger demographics in vampires and the paranormal, Ouija boards and the Bermuda Triangle, chakras and energy auras, yoga and meditation, indigo children, palm readings, soothsaying, tarot cards, mindreaders and people with special powers (David Blaine, Chris Angel), homeopathy, ancient aliens, reincarnation, the Illuminati, etc...

Atheism does not make one insusceptible to pseudo-science, pseudo-philosophy and pseudo-spirituality, and thanks to the internet they can entertain those niches with greater fervor than before.
 
2014-04-04 09:23:12 PM  

Truther: doosh: As a gen-x'er I remember back in the 80's and early 90's when I had to think twice before admitting to someone I was an atheist. usually there was a gasp of disbelief but sometimes people would get visibly upset.

Where did you live?

Alabama?


If only. This was in Rhode Island, bastion of free thinking as it were.
 
IP
2014-04-04 09:23:24 PM  

SlothB77: [static.flickr.com image 500x350]

has it been that long?


Came for this.  Leaving satisfied.

/it has...
 
2014-04-04 09:23:54 PM  

efgeise: It could be that a lot more people are seeing how violent and destructive the world actually is, and are starting to lose hope in a higher power.

It used to be that people rarely knew what happened outside of their towns, which made it easy to believe in a higher power, because we were ignorant of some of the particularly bad things happening.

Now we have instant access to any positive or negative news in the world.


Eh no, mostly. I agree the rapid spreas of information makes it seem like bad shiats always happening. But people weren't ignorant most of history, bad news traveled fast. Not to mention life was always chaotic in general...economic stability, social upheavel, power struggles, the occasional devastating plague. I think there's more to it than people questioning religion based on bad events.
 
2014-04-04 09:26:48 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Noooo! It's trendy! It's on the internet and *everything*!


It's specific. I feel there is no evidence in a God or any other supernatural beings, and therefore do not believe in any such. And while I also will argue against people using their superstitions to make public policy in science and education (like the ID crowd) or other similar areas, I know their beliefs or icons of those beliefs hold no supernatural power to harm me, either.

So no, getting butthurt over me being precise doesn't harm me either. I'm in no danger of being tossed out of a group I'm not a member of, so:
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-04 09:27:25 PM  

Ishkur: Beyond that, there are a lot of people who self-identify as atheist but that doesn't mean they don't believe in stupid bullshiat. There are healthy interests among younger demographics in vampires and the paranormal, Ouija boards and the Bermuda Triangle, chakras and energy auras, yoga and meditation, indigo children, palm readings, soothsaying, tarot cards, mindreaders and people with special powers (David Blaine, Chris Angel), homeopathy, ancient aliens, reincarnation, the Illuminati, etc...

Atheism does not make one insusceptible to pseudo-science, pseudo-philosophy and pseudo-spirituality, and thanks to the internet they can entertain those niches with greater fervor than before.


I would be very curious to see a breakdown of the number of Christians that believe all that crap vs. the number of Atheists who do.
 
2014-04-04 09:27:37 PM  
Places where you tend to interact with a greater variety of people, like large cities, tend to lean more liberal, while places where you only tend to interact with like-minded people tend to lean more conservative.  With the internet giving even the most remote locations the full spectrum of humanity, this doesn't seem particularly shocking.
 
2014-04-04 09:27:41 PM  
what, invisible sky wizard does n'''''t exist
 
2014-04-04 09:29:29 PM  

MFAWG: ScaryBottles: MFAWG: Lenny_da_Hog: MFAWG: And that's kind of my point. In the 60s and 70s you had mainstream Christians very involved in civil rights, nuclear proliferation, and economic issues in the US. And that was really true going back 100 years at least.

You've also had mainstream Christians opposing every change.

The word "Christian" tells you nothing without a long string of modifiers and brand affiliations. There are literally thousands of different belief sets that all call themselves "Christian."

True enough, and I think what we have isa very loud minority that really make the majority look bad. The problem is that the majority don't seem willing or even able to do anything about it.

Yeah its all Fred Phelps fault! Modern Christian's would never have done anything scummy if it weren't for those bastards at Westboro Baptist.

That's exactly what I said, yes.

FWIW, I personally find the OMGCHRITUNSARETEHSTUPIDZ crowd at least as annoying and way more inflexible than most.

So there's that.

http://www.ibtimes.com/tim-tebow-cancels-sermons-texas-megachurch-ov er -pastors-anti-gay-remarks-1100223

http://www.advocate.com/news/daily-news/2011/09/06/gay-friendly-port la nd-gets-antigay-megachurch

http://www.charismamag.com/spirit/devotionals/loving-god?view=articl e& id=14321:illinois-megachurch-denies-anti-gay-stance-after-starbucks-ce o-cancels&catid=570

http://www.christianpost.com/news/anglican-church-of-uganda-may-brea k- away-over-anti-gay-law-controversy-115516/

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128491183

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2013/07/evangelicals-gay-rights-iho p- god-loves-uganda-sundance

http://www.alan.com/2014/02/19/megachurch-pastor-michael-sam-paving- wa y-for-gay-antichrist/

http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2013/11/cas-anti-trans-coalitio n- brags-about-tax-exempt-megachurchs-ability-to-shape-public-policy.html

And that is one issue, one and there literally hundreds more. Do I need to get into all the reproductive rights issues too, or maybe we can examine their attacks on our educational system or we can discuss their treatment of Muslims? Your choice.
 
2014-04-04 09:32:46 PM  

Dragonflew: I would be very curious to see a breakdown of the number of Christians that believe all that crap vs. the number of Atheists who do.


I have a Wiccan friend who got angry and almost dumped another friend for becoming sorta Christian (she's a Unitarian), basically squealing about "the bible says you have to try to kill me!" and then ranted to me about it.

I told her she believed in magic, crystal and pyramid power in an age of computers and quantum mechanics, she wasn't in a good position to question another's choice of superstitions. We're all still friends. Sometimes you just have to put up with people's quirks, sometimes you don't.
 
2014-04-04 09:32:49 PM  
The rise of women who believe in God rise with my cock

/keeping this place classy
 
2014-04-04 09:33:04 PM  

doosh: Truther: doosh: As a gen-x'er I remember back in the 80's and early 90's when I had to think twice before admitting to someone I was an atheist. usually there was a gasp of disbelief but sometimes people would get visibly upset.

Where did you live?

Alabama?

If only. This was in Rhode Island, bastion of free thinking as it were.


Sorry man...
 
2014-04-04 09:33:46 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: FlashHarry: well, knowledge is an antidote to superstition. and the internet is the greatest doorway to knowledge ever created, so maybe yeah. also correlation ≠ causation, so who knows?

Yeah. I'm sure all those kittens and anti-vax articles have really enlightened us all.


Don't forget the porn.

/The internet is what you make of it
 
2014-04-04 09:33:48 PM  

ScaryBottles: MFAWG: ScaryBottles: MFAWG: Lenny_da_Hog: MFAWG: And that's kind of my point. In the 60s and 70s you had mainstream Christians very involved in civil rights, nuclear proliferation, and economic issues in the US. And that was really true going back 100 years at least.

You've also had mainstream Christians opposing every change.

The word "Christian" tells you nothing without a long string of modifiers and brand affiliations. There are literally thousands of different belief sets that all call themselves "Christian."

True enough, and I think what we have isa very loud minority that really make the majority look bad. The problem is that the majority don't seem willing or even able to do anything about it.

Yeah its all Fred Phelps fault! Modern Christian's would never have done anything scummy if it weren't for those bastards at Westboro Baptist.

That's exactly what I said, yes.

FWIW, I personally find the OMGCHRITUNSARETEHSTUPIDZ crowd at least as annoying and way more inflexible than most.

So there's that.
http://www.ibtimes.com/tim-tebow-cancels-sermons-texas-megachurch-ov er -pastors-anti-gay-remarks-1100223

http://www.advocate.com/news/daily-news/2011/09/06/gay-friendly-port la nd-gets-antigay-megachurch

http://www.charismamag.com/spirit/devotionals/loving-god?view=articl e& id=14321:illinois-megachurch-denies-anti-gay-stance-after-starbucks-ce o-cancels&catid=570

http://www.christianpost.com/news/anglican-church-of-uganda-may-brea k- away-over-anti-gay-law-controversy-115516/

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128491183

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2013/07/evangelicals-gay-rights-iho p- god-loves-uganda-sundance

http://www.alan.com/2014/02/19/megachurch-pastor-michael-sam-paving- wa y-for-gay-antichrist/

http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2013/11/cas-anti-trans-coalitio n- brags-about-tax-exempt-megachurchs-ability-to-shape-public-policy.html

And that is one issue, one and there literally hundreds more. Do I need to get into all the reproductive rights issues too, or maybe we can examine their attacks on our educational system or we can discuss their treatment of Muslims? Your choice.


No, don't bother. You've decided to be part of the problem, and you don't see it.

Have a nice day.
 
2014-04-04 09:34:22 PM  

Boojum2k: Lenny_da_Hog: Noooo! It's trendy! It's on the internet and *everything*!

It's specific. I feel there is no evidence in a God or any other supernatural beings, and therefore do not believe in any such. And while I also will argue against people using their superstitions to make public policy in science and education (like the ID crowd) or other similar areas, I know their beliefs or icons of those beliefs hold no supernatural power to harm me, either.

So no, getting butthurt over me being precise doesn't harm me either. I'm in no danger of being tossed out of a group I'm not a member of, so:
[img.fark.net image 500x375]


The problem with the newfangled 4-square descriptions is that it doesn't include "Agnostic Agnostics". Everyone is either atheist or theist, and there's no room for people who don't know what they believe. There's no, "I'd like to believe there's a god, but I'm not sure... there's so much to consider...." -- which is how most people who call themselves "agnostic" nowadays describe themselves.

Very, very few atheists will say "THERE IS DEFINITELY NO GOD!" except as shorthand for, "There's no evidence for this concept so I'm not going to incorporate it into my mental model of the universe, and if evidence arises, that makes it part of the universe and so it's not supernatural."

"Is there a god, yes or no?" is most quickly answered "no." It's more precisely answered by rephrasing the question and answering it with a few paragraphs. The whole "gnostic/agnostic theist/atheist" just muddies the waters.
 
2014-04-04 09:35:06 PM  

ScaryBottles: Truther: 18%?

The atheists have won.

Guess I'll give up my belief in God now.

/since they are a majority and all


Huey Lewis was vastly underrated...
 
2014-04-04 09:35:13 PM  
See, zombo.com does have a purpose.
 
2014-04-04 09:36:34 PM  

Truther: ScaryBottles: Truther: 18%?

The atheists have won.

Guess I'll give up my belief in God now.

/since they are a majority and all

Huey Lewis was vastly underrated...


that depends on your definition of underrated
 
2014-04-04 09:37:28 PM  

MFAWG: ScaryBottles: MFAWG: ScaryBottles: MFAWG: Lenny_da_Hog: MFAWG: And that's kind of my point. In the 60s and 70s you had mainstream Christians very involved in civil rights, nuclear proliferation, and economic issues in the US. And that was really true going back 100 years at least.

You've also had mainstream Christians opposing every change.

The word "Christian" tells you nothing without a long string of modifiers and brand affiliations. There are literally thousands of different belief sets that all call themselves "Christian."

True enough, and I think what we have isa very loud minority that really make the majority look bad. The problem is that the majority don't seem willing or even able to do anything about it.

Yeah its all Fred Phelps fault! Modern Christian's would never have done anything scummy if it weren't for those bastards at Westboro Baptist.

That's exactly what I said, yes.

FWIW, I personally find the OMGCHRITUNSARETEHSTUPIDZ crowd at least as annoying and way more inflexible than most.

So there's that.
http://www.ibtimes.com/tim-tebow-cancels-sermons-texas-megachurch-ov er -pastors-anti-gay-remarks-1100223

http://www.advocate.com/news/daily-news/2011/09/06/gay-friendly-port la nd-gets-antigay-megachurch

http://www.charismamag.com/spirit/devotionals/loving-god?view=articl e& id=14321:illinois-megachurch-denies-anti-gay-stance-after-starbucks-ce o-cancels&catid=570

http://www.christianpost.com/news/anglican-church-of-uganda-may-brea k- away-over-anti-gay-law-controversy-115516/

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128491183

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2013/07/evangelicals-gay-rights-iho p- god-loves-uganda-sundance

http://www.alan.com/2014/02/19/megachurch-pastor-michael-sam-paving- wa y-for-gay-antichrist/

http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2013/11/cas-anti-trans-coalitio n- brags-about-tax-exempt-megachurchs-ability-to-shape-public-policy.html

And that is one issue, one and there literally hundreds more. Do I need ...


So of course anyone who doesn't agree with you is part of the problem.

This from a guy claiming Christians are being unjustly maligned for clannishness and being intolerant. Do you have any idea how stupid you look right now?
 
2014-04-04 09:39:18 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: The problem with the newfangled 4-square descriptions is that it doesn't include "Agnostic Agnostics". Everyone is either atheist or theist, and there's no room for people who don't know what they believe.


That's actually a good point. I can see how that becomes an issue, sorry if my use may have seemed confusing or trendy, I've actually used it for years as shorthand for "Í have no idea if there's any kind of supreme power, but I'm fairly certain there isn't, there's no evidence for any, and if there is it's nothing like a magic man in a golden palace with his magic sheep."
 
2014-04-04 09:40:28 PM  

Boojum2k: Dragonflew: I would be very curious to see a breakdown of the number of Christians that believe all that crap vs. the number of Atheists who do.

I have a Wiccan friend who got angry and almost dumped another friend for becoming sorta Christian (she's a Unitarian), basically squealing about "the bible says you have to try to kill me!"


Well, you have to admit, she is correct. :)  Exodus 22:18, among many others.

The bible says love thy brother... unless of course he is gay, grows two crops in the same field, practices witchcraft, works on Sunday, curses their mother or father, cheats with someone's wife, is a victim of rape, etc.  Then they should be put to death.

 
2014-04-04 09:46:59 PM  

Dragonflew: Well, you have to admit, she is correct. :)


Heh, true, but I doubt she had to worry about a Unitarian dragging her to a bonfire. Although I'm fairly certain the original meaning was "poisoner" which isn't actually a bad type to avoid, whether you believe in a deity or not.

I've certainly played the "pick apart the bible" game with several Christian friends. The deal is I don't do it unless they give me grief first, then they better try and keep up.
 
2014-04-04 09:49:14 PM  
Most of thhe world's atheists can be described as "Someone who doesn't give a sh*t about religion".
I you're agonizing about whether you qualify, you probably don't.
 
2014-04-04 09:49:43 PM  

Boojum2k: Dragonflew: Well, you have to admit, she is correct. :)

Heh, true, but I doubt she had to worry about a Unitarian dragging her to a bonfire. Although I'm fairly certain the original meaning was "poisoner" which isn't actually a bad type to avoid, whether you believe in a deity or not.

I've certainly played the "pick apart the bible" game with several Christian friends. The deal is I don't do it unless they give me grief first, then they better try and keep up.


I had a friend who was going to go into the priesthood until he took World Religions in university, and came out an atheist after his education. He was incredible at the pick-apart-the-bible game because of his vast knowledge about it and other religious texts.
 
2014-04-04 09:50:53 PM  

vonster: As always, the militants atheists are here to ugly up/hate up the conversation.

Bye


ZOMG, wait, NO!  I just got to this thread and you are already gone!?  NOOOOOOOOO!

/Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
//Or do, nobody cares.
 
2014-04-04 09:51:58 PM  

vonster: As always, the militants atheists are here to ugly up/hate up the conversation.

Bye


People like you are why those people think religion is stupid.

Because really, who'd want to believe anything you believe?
 
2014-04-04 09:53:38 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: The problem with the newfangled 4-square descriptions is that it doesn't include "Agnostic Agnostics". Everyone is either atheist or theist, and there's no room for people who don't know what they believe. There's no, "I'd like to believe there's a god, but I'm not sure... there's so much to consider...." -- which is how most people who call themselve "agnostic" nowadays describe themselves.

Very, very few atheists will say "THERE IS DEFINITELY NO GOD!" except as shorthand for, "There's no evidence for this concept so I'm not going to incorporate it into my mental model of the universe, and if evidence arises, that makes it part of the universe and so it's not supernatural."

"Is there a god, yes or no?" is most quickly answered "no." It's more precisely answered by rephrasing the question and answering it with a few paragraphs. The whole "gnostic/agnostic theist/atheist" just muddies the waters.


The actual, measurable problem with that 4 square is that the God question as that framework incorporates it is only meaningful for certain values of the word 'God'.  Those values are fine in the framework of the modern major religions, which are generally Monotheist.  So the framework is useful as far as it goes, just like Cartesian geometry is useful as far as it goes and Newtonian physics is useful as far as it goes.

It's not the only framework. There are some alternate ones that work better for, say, people who think that a true god must be unimaginable (and thus cannot actually be believed in) by humans.
 
2014-04-04 09:54:34 PM  

Dragonflew: Boojum2k: Dragonflew: Well, you have to admit, she is correct. :)

Heh, true, but I doubt she had to worry about a Unitarian dragging her to a bonfire. Although I'm fairly certain the original meaning was "poisoner" which isn't actually a bad type to avoid, whether you believe in a deity or not.

I've certainly played the "pick apart the bible" game with several Christian friends. The deal is I don't do it unless they give me grief first, then they better try and keep up.

I had a friend who was going to go into the priesthood until he took World Religions in university, and came out an atheist after his education. He was incredible at the pick-apart-the-bible game because of his vast knowledge about it and other religious texts.


I didn't exactly go to seminary, but when I started running into things in church that didn't make sense in the face of known facts, I spent around a year obsessed with learning the Bible, criticisms, and support theology.

Freshman sociology in college put the final nail in the coffin, as it clearly explained how such a complex set of baseless assertions could become embedded in a culture and accepted as truth.
 
2014-04-04 09:55:56 PM  

Dragonflew: I had a friend who was going to go into the priesthood until he took World Religions in university, and came out an atheist after his education. He was incredible at the pick-apart-the-bible game because of his vast knowledge about it and other religious texts.


Studying World Religions probably produces a lot of atheists.
 
2014-04-04 09:58:52 PM  
 
2014-04-04 09:59:35 PM  
I think a lot of people have found being in a cult is just too much work.
 
2014-04-04 10:02:23 PM  

Ishkur: talkertopc: I'm an Atheist but I think people are jumping the gun in equating no religious affiliation with atheism. I don't know any other Atheists but I do know people who believe there is a God but claim not to believe in any religion, those people still practice some religious rituals (baptism, wedding) for cultural reasons.

Beyond that, there are a lot of people who self-identify as atheist but that doesn't mean they don't believe in stupid bullshiat. There are healthy interests among younger demographics in vampires and the paranormal, Ouija boards and the Bermuda Triangle, chakras and energy auras, yoga and meditation, indigo children, palm readings, soothsaying, tarot cards, mindreaders and people with special powers (David Blaine, Chris Angel), homeopathy, ancient aliens, reincarnation, the Illuminati, etc...

Atheism does not make one insusceptible to pseudo-science, pseudo-philosophy and pseudo-spirituality, and thanks to the internet they can entertain those niches with greater fervor than before.


I see I'm not needed here.

/Empirics Unite?
 
2014-04-04 10:04:07 PM  
I love how the morons in the article try to explain how they "realize correlation does not equal causation, but math, and so it kinda does."  Guess what? If you don't understand what contributes to variability, you can't properly assess what factors account for what percentage of a "decline in religious affiliation".  They even state that if their numbers work out, they're still not sure what's responsible for the other 50% of this decline.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-04 10:05:44 PM  
I think it also has to do with Ancient Aliens being mistaken for gods.
 
2014-04-04 10:05:48 PM  

wildcardjack: Ishkur: talkertopc: I'm an Atheist but I think people are jumping the gun in equating no religious affiliation with atheism. I don't know any other Atheists but I do know people who believe there is a God but claim not to believe in any religion, those people still practice some religious rituals (baptism, wedding) for cultural reasons.

Beyond that, there are a lot of people who self-identify as atheist but that doesn't mean they don't believe in stupid bullshiat. There are healthy interests among younger demographics in vampires and the paranormal, Ouija boards and the Bermuda Triangle, chakras and energy auras, yoga and meditation, indigo children, palm readings, soothsaying, tarot cards, mindreaders and people with special powers (David Blaine, Chris Angel), homeopathy, ancient aliens, reincarnation, the Illuminati, etc...

Atheism does not make one insusceptible to pseudo-science, pseudo-philosophy and pseudo-spirituality, and thanks to the internet they can entertain those niches with greater fervor than before.

I see I'm not needed here.

/Empirics Unite?

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2014-04-04 10:07:07 PM  
Bloody Pirates.
 
2014-04-04 10:08:16 PM  

Deep Contact: I think it also has to do with Ancient Aliens being mistaken for gods.


I never know if you're serious or not. I'm gonna hug you and squeeze you and name you Poe.
 
2014-04-04 10:10:29 PM  
had98c:  1/10. Overdone to the point of absurdity by now. One free point for posting before letrole comes in with the atheism is a religion line.

I'm curious at how my two lines are over doing it.

Since Agnostic and Atheism are two different things.


Lenny_da_Hog:
It's funnier to point out that when the word "agnostic" was coined in the late 1800s, it meant exactly the same thing as "atheist". The words were interchangeable. After a few decades, it evolved to be adopted by people who questioned religion, but were uncommitted -- they didn't know if they themselves believed.


No. It was coined EXACTLY what it means now

Wordstory
The word agnostic was coined by the English biologist T.H. Huxley in the late 1860s as a member of the now defunct Metaphysical Society, in response to what he perceived as an abundance there of strongly held beliefs. The original usage of the term was confined to philosophy and religion, and referred to Huxley's assertion that anything beyond the material world, including the existence and nature of God,was unknowable. Today the word can be seen applied to questions of politics, culture, and science, as when someone claims to be a "political agnostic." 
 In a more recent trend, one can be agnostic  simply by not taking a stand on something. In 2010,President Obama called himself "agnostic" on tax cuts until he had seen all available options. At a forum on sustainable energy in 2008, GE CEO Jeff Immelt said he was "fuel agnostic fundamentally." In technology, software or hardware can be said to be agnostic  as well. Computer code that can run on any operating system is called "platform agnostic," and such services as phone and electric may be considered "agnostic" if not dedicated to a particular carrier, device, or user interface.
 
2014-04-04 10:13:19 PM  

thrasherrr: It's not the only framework. There are some alternate ones that work better for, say, people who think that a true god must be unimaginable (and thus cannot actually be believed in) by humans


Look, either you believe in the supernatural or you don't. It's not rocket science.  It's basic logic.
 
2014-04-04 10:18:45 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: thrasherrr: It's not the only framework. There are some alternate ones that work better for, say, people who think that a true god must be unimaginable (and thus cannot actually be believed in) by humans

Look, either you believe in the supernatural or you don't. It's not rocket science.  It's basic logic.


And there are people who believe in the supernatural who don't believe in God. Beliefs are shades of grey.
 
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