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(Salon)   The rise in Americans who claim no religious affiliation coincides with the rise of the Internet, global warming, and pirates   (salon.com) divider line 170
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2014-04-04 04:48:55 PM
well, knowledge is an antidote to superstition. and the internet is the greatest doorway to knowledge ever created, so maybe yeah. also correlation ≠ causation, so who knows?
 
2014-04-04 07:53:26 PM
There's also a pretty good correlation between that and the amount of HFCS in the average person's diet.  I'm not saying the HFCS is the work of the devil and is driving the holy spirit out of our bodies, I'm just asking questions.
 
2014-04-04 08:00:41 PM

FlashHarry: well, knowledge is an antidote to superstition. and the internet is the greatest doorway to knowledge ever created, so maybe yeah. also correlation ≠ causation, so who knows?


Yeah. I'm sure all those kittens and anti-vax articles have really enlightened us all.
 
2014-04-04 08:30:14 PM

FlashHarry: well, knowledge is an antidote to superstition. and the internet is the greatest doorway to knowledge ever created, so maybe yeah. also correlation ≠ causation, so who knows?


Pretty much
 
2014-04-04 08:32:41 PM
And education.
 
2014-04-04 08:33:28 PM
I'm going to assume that " religious affiliation" and religious beliefs are two different things.
 
2014-04-04 08:34:15 PM
I think there is a certain type of Christianity that's being practiced in the US that has nothing to do with Christianity and may actually end up destroying it.

And that would actually be a bad thing.
 
2014-04-04 08:35:24 PM
Praise the FSM and pass the grated parmesano!

Let us now sing Hymn 363 from your hymnals. Verses one and two only.

Hymn 363, page 472
"On Top of Spaghetti"
Traditional:  "On Top of Old Smokey".
On Top of Spaghetti


On top of spaghetti,
All covered with cheese,
I lost my poor meatball,
When somebody sneezed.

It rolled off the table,
And on to the floor,
And then my poor meatball,
Rolled out of the door.

It rolled in the garden,
And under a bush,
And then my poor meatball,
Was nothing but mush.

The mush was as tasty
As tasty could be,
And then the next summer,
It grew into a tree.

The tree was all covered,
All covered with moss,
And on it grew meatballs,
And tomato sauce.

So if you eat spaghetti,
All covered with cheese,
Hold on to your meatball,
Whenever you sneeze.
 
2014-04-04 08:35:25 PM
atheism, open racism, acceptance of the gheys, cats, free pornography, and hp lovecraft have all seem to have had a field day since the internet really hit the ground running in the mid-90s

I'm okay with five out of six.
 
2014-04-04 08:35:30 PM

MFAWG: I think there is a certain type of Christianity that's being practiced in the US that has nothing to do with Christianity and may actually end up destroying it.

And that would actually be a bad thing.


I think in a limited way you may be right.
 
2014-04-04 08:35:31 PM
Also, ice cream sales increase/decrease at roughly the same time as murder
 
2014-04-04 08:35:39 PM
critical thinking was the real first sin.
 
2014-04-04 08:35:43 PM
You mean the US is catching up with the test of the modern world?
 
2014-04-04 08:36:26 PM

Omahawg: atheism, open racism, acceptance of the gheys, cats, free pornography, and hp lovecraft have all seem to have had a field day since the internet really hit the ground running in the mid-90s

I'm okay with five out of six.


I agree. The cats thing needs to stop.
 
2014-04-04 08:36:33 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-04 08:37:22 PM

shtychkn: You mean the US is catching up with the test of the modern world?


Will there be a rest?
 
2014-04-04 08:37:25 PM
It gives courage to those from religious families who have doubts to come out with their doubts. Access to knowledge scares the gate keepers.
 
2014-04-04 08:38:19 PM

shtychkn: Omahawg: atheism, open racism, acceptance of the gheys, cats, free pornography, and hp lovecraft have all seem to have had a field day since the internet really hit the ground running in the mid-90s

I'm okay with five out of six.

I agree. The cats thing needs to stop.


No, Lovecraft is insufferable, I can take or leave cats.
 
2014-04-04 08:39:44 PM
As always, the militants atheists are here to ugly up/hate up the conversation.

Bye
 
2014-04-04 08:39:53 PM
Lack of religious belief causes global warming. Got it.
 
2014-04-04 08:40:12 PM

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: There's also a pretty good correlation between that and the amount of HFCS in the average person's diet.  I'm not saying the HFCS is the work of the devil and is driving the holy spirit out of our bodies, I'm just asking questions.



I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.  Prior to the major soft drink companies using HFCS in their products the use of crack and meth were far lower than they are now.  Inquiring minds want to know
 
2014-04-04 08:40:47 PM

CruJones: Lovecraft is insufferable


img.fark.net

Cthulhu frowns on your shenanigans.
 
2014-04-04 08:42:29 PM

vonster: As always, the militants atheists are here to ugly up/hate up the conversation.

Bye


We won't miss you.
 
2014-04-04 08:43:13 PM
As a gen-x'er I remember back in the 80's and early 90's when I had to think twice before admitting to someone I was an atheist. usually there was a gasp of disbelief but sometimes people would get visibly upset.
 
2014-04-04 08:44:14 PM

vonster: MFAWG: I think there is a certain type of Christianity that's being practiced in the US that has nothing to do with Christianity and may actually end up destroying it.

And that would actually be a bad thing.

I think in a limited way you may be right.


There was a time (in my lifetime, in fact) when Christians were a real force for positive social change. Them days seem to be in the past.
 
2014-04-04 08:44:15 PM
Free access to open debate and information exposes people to varying viewpoints and gives them an enhanced ability to deal with large volumes of information (eventually).  This isn't a new problem for religion, the printing press put more than its share of nails in the coffin of magical thinking too.  By the late 1700s/early 1800s religions as actual moral guiding forces were verging on extinct, it was only the Red Scare in the 1950s that brought it back at all (temporarily, apparently, but well enough that they're back to their usual sociological-malignant-cancer status).

Sure, it's not an antidote for racism, but racism is a general attitude of dislike for something, it's not really possible to 'argue that away' in the short term.  Religions have  doctrine, though, which can be directly met and countered by logic and argument-- any situation where you actually let people argue, study, and think things over poisons it pretty fast.

// Rooting for the kill to be permanent this time.
 
2014-04-04 08:45:45 PM
The rise of Americans who claim no religious affiliation coincides with (medisbullshait) The Rise Of Satan.

just here to help.
 
2014-04-04 08:46:49 PM

doosh: As a gen-x'er I remember back in the 80's and early 90's when I had to think twice before admitting to someone I was an atheist. usually there was a gasp of disbelief but sometimes people would get visibly upset.


yup. you should have tried it in a hick town in iowa
 
2014-04-04 08:47:36 PM

MFAWG: vonster: MFAWG: I think there is a certain type of Christianity that's being practiced in the US that has nothing to do with Christianity and may actually end up destroying it.

And that would actually be a bad thing.

I think in a limited way you may be right.

There was a time (in my lifetime, in fact) when Christians were a real force for positive social change. Them days seem to be in the past.


How old ARE you? Because I'm closing in on 40 and that's literally never been the case in my lifetime. Also, the troops have never once defended my freedoms.(except maybe the coast guard and NORAD)
 
2014-04-04 08:49:55 PM

vonster: As always, the militants atheists are here to ugly up/hate up the conversation.

Bye


As always, a self-righteous Christian drops by for the sole reason of letting us know how superior he is.

Seeya!
 
2014-04-04 08:51:45 PM

neongoats: MFAWG: vonster: MFAWG: I think there is a certain type of Christianity that's being practiced in the US that has nothing to do with Christianity and may actually end up destroying it.

And that would actually be a bad thing.

I think in a limited way you may be right.

There was a time (in my lifetime, in fact) when Christians were a real force for positive social change. Them days seem to be in the past.

How old ARE you? Because I'm closing in on 40 and that's literally never been the case in my lifetime. Also, the troops have never once defended my freedoms.(except maybe the coast guard and NORAD)


I'm 50, and I don't think you were paying enough attention to the 70s.
 
2014-04-04 08:52:31 PM

doosh: As a gen-x'er I remember back in the 80's and early 90's when I had to think twice before admitting to someone I was an atheist. usually there was a gasp of disbelief but sometimes people would get visibly upset.


I hear you.  I'm not really a atheist, I guess.  I don't believe it(if anything) went down like any of the holy books say.  I think some of them would kill themselves if they ever realized how foolish they act.  Thanks to their permanent suspension of disbelief on the subject, most are safe.
 
2014-04-04 08:52:34 PM

MFAWG: neongoats: MFAWG: vonster: MFAWG: I think there is a certain type of Christianity that's being practiced in the US that has nothing to do with Christianity and may actually end up destroying it.

And that would actually be a bad thing.

I think in a limited way you may be right.

There was a time (in my lifetime, in fact) when Christians were a real force for positive social change. Them days seem to be in the past.

How old ARE you? Because I'm closing in on 40 and that's literally never been the case in my lifetime. Also, the troops have never once defended my freedoms.(except maybe the coast guard and NORAD)

I'm 50, and I don't think you were paying enough attention to the 70s.


Well I was ages 0 through 3 in the 70s, So yeah.
 
2014-04-04 08:52:52 PM
"what this remarkable bile suggests to me is that there is something rotten in the Internet culture that can vent it."
openparachute.files.wordpress.com

/right before he shut down his own forums
//no idea what he thinks about pirates
 
2014-04-04 08:53:36 PM
It could be that a lot more people are seeing how violent and destructive the world actually is, and are starting to lose hope in a higher power.

It used to be that people rarely knew what happened outside of their towns, which made it easy to believe in a higher power, because we were ignorant of some of the particularly bad things happening.

Now we have instant access to any positive or negative news in the world.
 
2014-04-04 08:57:13 PM

neongoats: MFAWG: neongoats: MFAWG: vonster: MFAWG: I think there is a certain type of Christianity that's being practiced in the US that has nothing to do with Christianity and may actually end up destroying it.

And that would actually be a bad thing.

I think in a limited way you may be right.

There was a time (in my lifetime, in fact) when Christians were a real force for positive social change. Them days seem to be in the past.

How old ARE you? Because I'm closing in on 40 and that's literally never been the case in my lifetime. Also, the troops have never once defended my freedoms.(except maybe the coast guard and NORAD)

I'm 50, and I don't think you were paying enough attention to the 70s.

Well I was ages 0 through 3 in the 70s, So yeah.


And that's kind of my point. In the 60s and 70s you had mainstream Christians very involved in civil rights, nuclear proliferation, and economic issues in the US. And that was really true going back 100 years at least.

And it's all changed, or seems to have. And it's a bad thing.
 
2014-04-04 08:59:29 PM

vonster: As always, the militants atheists are here to ugly up/hate up the conversation.

Bye


As opposed to the "really militant because we actually pick up guns and shoot people" gospel grinders
 
2014-04-04 09:01:47 PM
I'm an Atheist but I think people are jumping the gun in equating no religious affiliation with atheism. I don't know any other Atheists but I do know people who believe there is a God but claim not to believe in any religion, those people still practice some religious rituals (baptism, wedding) for cultural reasons.
 
2014-04-04 09:02:07 PM

vonster: As always, the militants atheists are here to ugly up/hate up the conversation.

Bye


img.pandawhale.com
 
2014-04-04 09:02:23 PM
Makes sense, since religion is largely a made up pastime by and for bored humans. The interwebs can alleviate boredom!
 
2014-04-04 09:03:02 PM
Nowadays, it seems you are either an agnostic (50% of the time), atheistic (10% of the time), or a religious fanatic (20% of the time). The other 20% of the time you can't be bothered to give an answer.
 
2014-04-04 09:03:07 PM

MFAWG: And that's kind of my point. In the 60s and 70s you had mainstream Christians very involved in civil rights, nuclear proliferation, and economic issues in the US. And that was really true going back 100 years at least.


You've also had mainstream Christians opposing every change.

The word "Christian" tells you nothing without a long string of modifiers and brand affiliations. There are literally thousands of different belief sets that all call themselves "Christian."
 
2014-04-04 09:04:17 PM

talkertopc: I'm an Atheist but I think people are jumping the gun in equating no religious affiliation with atheism. I don't know any other Atheists but I do know people who believe there is a God but claim not to believe in any religion, those people still practice some religious rituals (baptism, wedding) for cultural reasons.


www.yourprops.com
 
2014-04-04 09:06:16 PM

talkertopc: I'm an Atheist but I think people are jumping the gun in equating no religious affiliation with atheism. I don't know any other Atheists but I do know people who believe there is a God but claim not to believe in any religion, those people still practice some religious rituals (baptism, wedding) for cultural reasons.


I'm an agnostic atheist and Christmas is still my favorite holiday, for the "getting together with friends and family" aspect along with trying to surprise someone with a cool gift. Also, shopping is easy when you're a big guy in a leather jacket.

/or Amazon
 
2014-04-04 09:08:06 PM
static.flickr.com

has it been that long?
 
2014-04-04 09:08:36 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: MFAWG: And that's kind of my point. In the 60s and 70s you had mainstream Christians very involved in civil rights, nuclear proliferation, and economic issues in the US. And that was really true going back 100 years at least.

You've also had mainstream Christians opposing every change.

The word "Christian" tells you nothing without a long string of modifiers and brand affiliations. There are literally thousands of different belief sets that all call themselves "Christian."


True enough, and I think what we have isa very loud minority that really make the majority look bad. The problem is that the majority don't seem willing or even able to do anything about it.
 
2014-04-04 09:09:42 PM
Ebola is up too.
 
2014-04-04 09:10:34 PM

Boojum2k: talkertopc: I'm an Atheist but I think people are jumping the gun in equating no religious affiliation with atheism. I don't know any other Atheists but I do know people who believe there is a God but claim not to believe in any religion, those people still practice some religious rituals (baptism, wedding) for cultural reasons.

I'm an agnostic atheist and Christmas is still my favorite holiday, for the "getting together with friends and family" aspect along with trying to surprise someone with a cool gift. Also, shopping is easy when you're a big guy in a leather jacket.

/or Amazon


You cannot be an agnostic atheist. You are either an Agnostic or an Atheist.
 
2014-04-04 09:11:15 PM

CruJones: shtychkn: Omahawg: atheism, open racism, acceptance of the gheys, cats, free pornography, and hp lovecraft have all seem to have had a field day since the internet really hit the ground running in the mid-90s

I'm okay with five out of six.

I agree. The cats thing needs to stop.

No, Lovecraft is insufferable, I can take or leave cats.


You can both shut your whore mouths!

You can't take my cats OR my Lovecraft!
 
2014-04-04 09:12:01 PM

anuran: vonster: As always, the militants atheists are here to ugly up/hate up the conversation.

Bye

As opposed to the "really militant because we actually pick up guns and shoot people" gospel grinders


That's why I like that cartoon that always gets posted. Any other time the word militant gets used it refers to seriously dangerous people. With atheists it's used for, "people who are condescending on the internet"
 
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