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2014-04-04 07:43:05 PM  
follow the money?
 
2014-04-04 08:04:13 PM  
iPhones aren't inherently more expensive. New Yorkers are just trendy douchebags, that's all.
 
2014-04-04 08:31:43 PM  
Spending money on iPhones does not a fiscal genius make.
 
2014-04-04 08:33:45 PM  

Mugato: iPhones aren't inherently more expensive. New Yorkers are just trendy douchebags, that's all.


Actually as a New Yorker with an iPhone, this is not entirely wrong.

/it's a 4 on Virgin for chrissakes, I got no money.
//Good phone though
 
2014-04-04 08:35:24 PM  

Mugato: iPhones aren't inherently more expensive. New Yorkers are just trendy douchebags, that's all.


* I'll amend that. If you buy every iteration of the iPhone that comes with a new hat, that could get pricey. But that doesn't necessarily make you rich, it just makes you a moron.
 
2014-04-04 08:46:42 PM  

Mugato: iPhones aren't inherently more expensive. New Yorkers are just trendy douchebags, that's all.


electronics and clothing are relativity cheap when you start factoring in the increased incomes that NYC brings... not that new yorkers aren't douchebags it just explains why you'd find iPhones  deeper down the wage scale.
 
2014-04-04 08:48:10 PM  
I like how this tech pundit apparently has no idea what Whatsapp does, but is perfectly okay with talking about it.
 
2014-04-04 08:49:41 PM  

Mugato: iPhones aren't inherently more expensive. New Yorkers are just trendy douchebags, that's all.


IPhones aren't that trendy nowadays. It's the phone your mom gets if she doesn't know how to work technology.
 
2014-04-04 09:26:52 PM  

Mugato: iPhones aren't inherently more expensive. New Yorkers, San Franciscans, Los Angelenos, and Miamians are just trendy douchebags, that's all.


FTFY
 
2014-04-04 09:29:34 PM  

Bucky Katt: follow the money?


Yep. I had a friend who paid 9k for a bike ask me why he can't find quality cycling apps on android. I changed the subject.
 
2014-04-04 09:37:04 PM  

FriarReb98: Spending money on iPhones does not a fiscal genius make.


Depends on your situation. If you have friends and family all over, a landline plus long distance service will get expensive, where cell service has no long distance fees when calling in country. Add in the fact that it can be used to replace items like a GPS device, portable music player, point and shoot digital camera, PDA, and other devices, and you could actually come out ahead financially with a cell phone.
 
2014-04-04 09:37:33 PM  

gingerjet: Bucky Katt: follow the money?

Yep. I had a friend who paid 9k for a bike ask me why he can't find quality cycling apps on android. I changed the subject.


I would have changed friends at "paid 9k for a bike".
 
2014-04-04 09:42:39 PM  

Bucky Katt: follow the money?


Software adoption, like defacto standards, are all chicken/egg problems.

iPhone gets more apps made because more apps were purchased with iPhones, because previously more apps were purchased with iPhones, ad nauseum.

iPhone hasn't been anything to write home about for years, but I wouldn't consider everything Android does to be the cutting edge of geekery.  It's also the OS you get with your free contract phone.

Anyways.  I don't know why I wrote anything when Bucky Katt so perfectly ended the thread in one post.
 
2014-04-04 09:44:21 PM  

Mad_Radhu: FriarReb98: Spending money on iPhones does not a fiscal genius make.

Depends on your situation. If you have friends and family all over, a landline plus long distance service will get expensive, where cell service has no long distance fees when calling in country. Add in the fact that it can be used to replace items like a GPS device, portable music player, point and shoot digital camera, PDA, and other devices, and you could actually come out ahead financially with a cell phone.


I have all that on my Huawei. The camera on the newest iPhone probably has better resolution though.
 
2014-04-04 09:44:46 PM  
I didn't get rich by spending my money on stupid shiat like overpriced phones.
 
2014-04-04 09:51:20 PM  
Apple iphone owners would like to believe they're rich (and hope that others think so too) because they spent an entire paycheque on a POS phone. Android users know better than to give a flying fark.

/Happy with my $99 Moto G. Best phone on the market right now.
 
2014-04-04 09:59:42 PM  
Meh, I like my Android... it can open a bash terminal and do useful things... the iphone is a neat toy, but not effective for tasks beyond the simplest levels.
 
2014-04-04 10:01:08 PM  

RexTalionis: Mugato: iPhones aren't inherently more expensive. New Yorkers are just trendy douchebags, that's all.

IPhones aren't that trendy nowadays. It's the phone your mom gets if she doesn't know how to work technology.


Apple: for the simple people...
 
2014-04-04 10:05:21 PM  
I didn't get rich by spending my money on stupid shiat like overpriced phones.


Your problem is that you think it's a phone.

Having a smartphone has been the greatest impact a technology has had on my day-to-day life. I'm no longer tied to a desk or a physical location to stay on top of what's going on with my business. I remember when I would wait at home for an email reply from someone about a critical issue. Nope; my email now just lives in my pocket. I can also manage my supply chain with a custom web app, see how customer service is going (ZenDesk), see what orders are coming in (Shopify), show 3D models to suppliers (SolidWorks), use forecast spreadsheets to make on-the-fly decisions (Excel), sketch out new ideas (Paper), manage my company's social media crap (Twitter, Facebook)... Oh, and it's got a web browser for when I am waiting around, streaming music to keep my ears happy, iMessages to stay in touch with my family and a camera that takes 90% of my pictures now.

Total cost for all this? $102.50 a month. That includes my $85 a month Verizon contract, a subsidized phone every 2 years and selling that phone 12 months later and rolling it into the newest model.

In my mind, that's almost literally the bargain of the century right there. If you're gonna call all that a "luxury," than I guess you classify everyone with HBO as the 1%. People routinely blow way more money on way less valuable crap constantly.
 
2014-04-04 10:07:30 PM  
I thought it might be because rich people are lazy and don't the knowledge or ability to use a phone without training wheels.
 
2014-04-04 10:10:42 PM  

RexTalionis: It's the phone your mom gets if she doesn't know how to work technology.


I honestly thought that's been Apple's target demo for like 10 years: People who were too lazy/old/dangerously stupid to learn to use a fully-featured PC and were willing to pay twice the price for something with a fifth of the functionality as long as it was shiny and easy to use and the marketing people told them they were attractive and intelligent.
 
2014-04-04 10:16:17 PM  
The article notices that iPhone users spend more. That's one big reason... if you'll make more with an iOS app than an Android app, that's a no-brainer.

The article doesn't mention that Android is nowhere near as monolithic as iOS. For the most part, an app that runs on a new iPhone 5s will work on a 3GS and 4... both relatively ancient devices. Moreover, even an "ancient" iPhone 4 can run iOS 7 (or is at least running a relatively recent version of iOS 6). That is not necessarily the case with Android... you can have fairly new Android phones that are 2-3 OS revisions back and won't ever see anything newer. That may be improving, but the increased variation in skins and devices means it's more work to support an Android app.

So they can make one app and make more money or deal with quality testing on a bunch of devices and make less. Let me think about that one...
 
2014-04-04 10:16:40 PM  

dr-shotgun: Having a smartphone has been the greatest impact a technology has had on my day-to-day life...


I actually googled that to see if you were trolling by copypasting from an ad somewhere.
 
2014-04-04 10:16:54 PM  
I switched to iPhone when my HTC Diamond 2 died. Android at that time didn't know what a Bluetooth Keyboard was. For business reasons I had to have an iPhone.

Now the iPhone 5 is the compact option. If I didn't need to hold the phone and a barcode scanner in on hand I'd probably have one of those overgrown Samsungs.
 
2014-04-04 10:17:24 PM  
Sits back with popcorn and my WP8
/Update to WP8.1 in 10 days(free dev preview account)
 
2014-04-04 10:18:41 PM  

blacksharpiemarker: Apple iphone owners would like to believe they're rich (and hope that others think so too) because they spent an entire paycheque on a POS phone. Android users know better than to give a flying fark.

/Happy with my $99 Moto G. Best phone on the market right now.


Android users like to tell you that they don't give a flying fark, but they can't shut up about how their phone is better than an iPhone, even though nobody asked.
 
2014-04-04 10:19:37 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Sits back with popcorn and my WP8
/Update to WP8.1 in 10 days(free dev preview account)


Cortana is looking pretty sweet. Not sure if I'll exercise the dev preview option or not.
 
2014-04-04 10:23:08 PM  
I was just thinking about the iphone popularity in NYC the other day.  Almost everyone I know has an iphone over an Android and I think it's more about habit than having money.  Many people in NYC were early adopters of smartphones similar to San Francisco and LA.  Back then the iphone was clearly superior.  Then when they upgraded, they just bought the next model of the iphone because they were used to it and remembered Android sucking when they were first looking.

The other factor is probably the fact that many in NYC were once glued to their Blackberrys and when they finally decided to get a real smartphone saw everyone around them with iphones and followed the crowd.

/loves my droid maxx
/laughs at everyone with an iphone having to plug it in the second they get into work
 
2014-04-04 10:31:56 PM  
Wow, that "article" has some serious logic flaws. Tracking who has what phone based on twitter posts from those locations? And then as examples using areas likely to be visited by tourists. Gee, no way those results could get skewed. And all of this relying purely on publicly available data from people that allow their location data, and device type to be shown using default apps posting on public profiles. In short any user changing settings can screw up the results.

Apple device users spend visit more shopping sites and spend more at them? How about the fact that there are tons of browsers on Android that don't identify it as an Android device but instead send a desktop browser ID so that you don't get fed a lame content stripped "mobile" version of a site. Or the simple fact that lots of stores have ipads in the stores for customer ordering from the stores websites. Or how about the fact that I have a tablet right next to me but why would I do my online shopping on it when I have a real computer I can sit at with a large monitor and quick comparison shop instead of paying the first inflated price I see for an item.

Essentially there is no way to have accurate data without violating users privacy. You would have to get the carriers to release their customer data and then data mine the customer address vs the devices registered to the account vs the towers those devices connect too (Family plans can end up with several devices registered at an address where they are never/rarely used). Then you have to get tax records and compare those. Do all that without having hordes of villagers with pitchforks turn out to lynch you and you will have some viable data on economic status vs preferred device ownership.
 
2014-04-04 10:32:07 PM  
Most people with android phones got them because they were the cheapest. I'll
put my nexus 5 up agains an iPhone 5s any day. I however am the exception. I root, tweek and enjoy having full control of my phone. Most people with android phones are not like that. Most people with android phones would trade them for iphones if they weren't on prepaid plans. Today iphones are for the most part the coolest. How long that's lasts is anyones guess.
 
2014-04-04 10:34:05 PM  

Marine1: drjekel_mrhyde: Sits back with popcorn and my WP8
/Update to WP8.1 in 10 days(free dev preview account)

Cortana is looking pretty sweet. Not sure if I'll exercise the dev preview option or not.


I might wait a couple days watching the forums to see if anyone is having problems then do it
 
2014-04-04 10:38:53 PM  
How many apps in whichever phone's app market do you need? There's a lot of crap on the Google market, BUT I have all the apps I need anyways. I got my bank's app, Zipcar, my credit card app, Maps, GMail and Email, Drive, Music and PowerAmp, Photoshop, Amazon Kindle and Google Books, Roku Remote, and a few others. Plus Google Now voice command kicks all kinds of butt. If you have an Android running version 4.2 and above, you really should be talking to your phone.

Plus I have a Nexus 5 which looks great. Or would still look great if I took better care of it but then I just care that it works well, and it does. Not saying the iPhone is bad, just that Android works for me like the iPhone works for others.
 
2014-04-04 10:39:06 PM  
Price wasn't the biggest deciding factor in my decision to purchase an Android tablet (although it was certainly a favorable consideration). I use my tablet as a productivity extension for my PC, in particular, as an illustration and music tool. With full sized SD card slot and USB my android tablet offered me much more flexibility working in tandem with my PC than an iPad did.

The fact that the same apps just happen to cost less than half as much as they do on the iPad is just a bonus.
 
2014-04-04 10:41:45 PM  
Part of my job is testing mobile apps on iOS and Android. I'm exposed to many iterations of both every day. I think I prefer the overall look and functionality of Android devices, especially the Moto X, but the iPhone 5 feels more solid and it has the better on screen keyboard.

Ultimately a smartphone is a smartphone. Use whatever you like or can afford.

/I have a couple year old Motorola Droid Razr Maxx HD with a big ol' crack in the screen because it was cheap.
//Do wish Verizon/Motorola would push KitKat to it though. Jelly Bean just isn't as good at battery management.
 
2014-04-04 10:47:25 PM  

Android OS: For the financially savvy.

 
2014-04-04 10:50:31 PM  

rikkards: RexTalionis: Mugato: iPhones aren't inherently more expensive. New Yorkers are just trendy douchebags, that's all.

IPhones aren't that trendy nowadays. It's the phone your mom gets if she doesn't know how to work technology.

Apple: for the simple people...


cdn.ttgtmedia.com

In your White House, using Mac and Blackberry.

/suck it, Android!
 
2014-04-04 10:55:22 PM  

LucklessWonder: Part of my job is testing mobile apps on iOS and Android. I'm exposed to many iterations of both every day. I think I prefer the overall look and functionality of Android devices, especially the Moto X, but the iPhone 5 feels more solid and it has the better on screen keyboard.

Ultimately a smartphone is a smartphone. Use whatever you like or can afford.

/I have a couple year old Motorola Droid Razr Maxx HD with a big ol' crack in the screen because it was cheap.
//Do wish Verizon/Motorola would push KitKat to it though. Jelly Bean just isn't as good at battery management.


About the keyboard...

With android you can change it.
 
2014-04-04 11:00:44 PM  
Apple products have always been obscenely overpriced boutique items for people who want to be seen using them. Android phones and tablets are practical and sensible.
 
2014-04-04 11:05:24 PM  

rustypouch: LucklessWonder: Part of my job is testing mobile apps on iOS and Android. I'm exposed to many iterations of both every day. I think I prefer the overall look and functionality of Android devices, especially the Moto X, but the iPhone 5 feels more solid and it has the better on screen keyboard.

Ultimately a smartphone is a smartphone. Use whatever you like or can afford.

/I have a couple year old Motorola Droid Razr Maxx HD with a big ol' crack in the screen because it was cheap.
//Do wish Verizon/Motorola would push KitKat to it though. Jelly Bean just isn't as good at battery management.

About the keyboard...

With android you can change it.


Yes, I know, but I like iOs 7's better than the ones I've used on Android.
 
2014-04-04 11:05:45 PM  

akula: The article notices that iPhone users spend more. That's one big reason... if you'll make more with an iOS app than an Android app, that's a no-brainer.

The article doesn't mention that Android is nowhere near as monolithic as iOS. For the most part, an app that runs on a new iPhone 5s will work on a 3GS and 4... both relatively ancient devices. Moreover, even an "ancient" iPhone 4 can run iOS 7 (or is at least running a relatively recent version of iOS 6). That is not necessarily the case with Android... you can have fairly new Android phones that are 2-3 OS revisions back and won't ever see anything newer. That may be improving, but the increased variation in skins and devices means it's more work to support an Android app.

So they can make one app and make more money or deal with quality testing on a bunch of devices and make less. Let me think about that one...


This

Android apps cost more to develop due to Android's fragmentation.

Android users don't pay for apps, preferring to steal *ahem* sideload them instead.

About the only way to make money on Android apps is to plaster them over with ads.

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-04-04 11:14:24 PM  

Mantour: In your White House, using Mac and Blackberry.

/suck it, Android!



Yeah...that's a selling point
 
2014-04-04 11:16:20 PM  

bingethinker: blacksharpiemarker: Apple iphone owners would like to believe they're rich (and hope that others think so too) because they spent an entire paycheque on a POS phone. Android users know better than to give a flying fark.

/Happy with my $99 Moto G. Best phone on the market right now.

Android users like to tell you that they don't give a flying fark, but they can't shut up about how their phone is better than an iPhone, even though nobody asked.


You sound stupid enough to spend too much money on a phone.

/If you don't have an iPhone, you must be one of the poors.
//Snooki uses iPhone
 
2014-04-04 11:18:13 PM  
Job creators you say?
I think I know where your going with this...

farm2.static.flickr.com
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-04-04 11:21:20 PM  
$67,000 in Manhattan is not rich.  $67,000 in North Dakota is rich.
 
2014-04-04 11:24:25 PM  
 
2014-04-04 11:27:01 PM  

frozenhotchocolate: Most people with android phones got them because they were the cheapest. I'll
put my nexus 5 up agains an iPhone 5s any day. I however am the exception. I root, tweek and enjoy having full control of my phone. Most people with android phones are not like that. Most people with android phones would trade them for iphones if they weren't on prepaid plans. Today iphones are for the most part the coolest. How long that's lasts is anyones guess.


I'm surprised you didn't get any bites with that.
 
2014-04-04 11:27:32 PM  

syrynxx: $67,000 in Manhattan is not rich.  $67,000 in North Dakota is rich.

I don't know about now since they have their oil thing going. I would say 67k in Mississippi is rich
 
2014-04-04 11:27:44 PM  

syrynxx: $67,000 in Manhattan is not rich.  $67,000 in North Dakota is rich.


Hm... really? 

I mean, $67,000 is decent haul in my part of the Midwest (KC/Columbia, MO), but not "rich".

/honestly curious
 
2014-04-04 11:32:54 PM  

dookdookdook: RexTalionis: It's the phone your mom gets if she doesn't know how to work technology.

I honestly thought that's been Apple's target demo for like 10 years: People who were too lazy/old/dangerously stupid to learn to use a fully-featured PC and were willing to pay twice the price for something with a fifth of the functionality as long as it was shiny and easy to use and the marketing people told them they were attractive and intelligent.


The early versions of Android we're pretty rough.  Android has caught up since then in terms of smoothness, but you still have issues with carrier and manufacturer forced crapware as well as slow (or nonexistent) OS upgrades unless you're willing to root your device.

Apple's system may be more restrictive and less flexible, but Apple has been able to strong-arm the carriers into not loading the phones with a bunch of unwanted junk in a way that Google has failed to do, and has kept their OS upgrade path independent of the carriers since day one.

Plus, the build quality of the iPhone is still superior to anything I've found on an Android device.

That being said, I've been shopping for an Android phone because Apple just doesn't make one large enough. If somebody made a phone that was identical in terms of materials and construction to the iPhone 5S, but scaled up to 5"-6", I'd buy it in an instant.
 
2014-04-04 11:33:13 PM  

BullBearMS: Another nice thing you get from Apple is a much more advanced and powerful CPU codenamed "Cyclone" that they developed in house.

Anandtech:
Cyclone is big. As I mentioned before, it's bigger than anything else that goes in a phone. Apple didn't build a Krait/Silvermont competitor, it built something much closer to Intel's big cores. At the launch of the iPhone 5s, Apple referred to the A7 as being "desktop class" - it turns out that wasn't an exaggeration.

The Android phones coming out this year can only perform three instructions per cycle. Apple's Cyclone performs twice that.

As I mentioned in the iPad Air review, Cyclone is a wide machine. It can decode, issue, execute and retire up to 6 instructions/micro-ops per clock. I verified this during my iPad Air review by executing four integer adds and two FP adds in parallel...

Looking at Cyclone makes one thing very clear: the rest of the players in the ultra mobile CPU space didn't aim high enough. I wonder what happens next round.

Of course, you can always stick with the shiatty hardware like the rest of the poors. [dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 15x15]


What's funny is that iOS don't need all that power to run great while Android do
 
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