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(Eugene Weekly)   Woman on maternity leave fired for checking and deleting email from home, "which the company considered destruction of company property"   (eugeneweekly.com ) divider line
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2014-04-04 08:44:11 PM  
3 votes:
FTFA: "It felt like getting punched in the stomach," Markstrom Nugent says.

Just way too late, amirite?
2014-04-04 11:03:36 PM  
2 votes:

MyRandomName: First" Markstrom Nugent, whose degree is in magazine writing, "

She should be fired for making up a degree.

Second there were also bad write-ups on her performance. My guess is she became pregnant in conjunction with downsizing as the article infers.

Third. Check with HR on what you can and can not do while on leave. I know I cant check email on leave at my company, written policy.

Who takes FLA 3 weeks into a pregnancy btw?


Expecting mothers, that is who. Now shut your cock holster.
2014-04-04 09:01:18 PM  
2 votes:
This is why I always print out my email.
2014-04-05 01:48:24 AM  
1 vote:

Rozotorical: shtychkn: Rozotorical: shtychkn: Rozotorical: Boojum2k: shtychkn: Yes, what you're talking about is government intervention in free enterprise akin to fascism IE Mussolini's Italy

Not really, it's socialist to an extent but not fascist. Fascism is when government directs the ends of corporate policies, not the means.

Yeah I believe in social works as a responsibility of economic gain. Or socialism. I would prefer in a progressive fashion. It is compatible with the belief in capitalism and widely accepted in most of the world.

What you are suggesting is a watered down version of communism where the state is a strong central governing body that directly controls industry and also means of the people to make a living.

Nope not what I suggested.  I suggested a central government controlling social benefits like healthcare and maternity leave, etc.  Thus freeing businesses up to pay taxes, good wages, and focus on doing what companies should be doing: providing a product or service for the purpose of making money.

You suggested a series of laws that require companies to provide benefits that would put undue hardship directly on companies, specifically start up companies that often do not have much working capitol that would stifle innovation and growth.

See start ups don't make much profit early on.  So under my system taxes on Coke or Apple employee income, etc. would cover starts up that don't pay much taxes the first few years due to poor profits.  But employees would still receive full benefits regardless of whichever company they worked for.

Yeah with your system you are also removing the direct social responsibility a company should have for it's employee.

Full time employees well being should be the number 1 responsibility for a company that operates in a public market place.

I should also point out that there has never in the history of our country, a "start-up" that was controlled by a budget solely acquired from first year profits. You are using a weak ...


Mostly because then Starbuck would only have drinking left :(
2014-04-04 11:59:54 PM  
1 vote:

Rozotorical: shtychkn: Rozotorical: shtychkn: Rozotorical: shtychkn: Rozotorical: shtychkn: gadian: DarthBart: I took 2 weeks when my daughter was born. I'd have taken more because my wife had a hard pregnancy and a c-section, but there was that whole "unpaid" part of the FMLA. I'd gotten rather used being able to pay bills and buy food.

This is why I'm in favor of a paid stipend to any new parents similar to what they (combined) would have earned while working.  Have it last 3-6 months and then unpaid leave kicks in for another 6 months.

And those that don't choose to have kids? Should we not get these vacations too?

Take a medical leave then. If you think of that as a vacation you must have an extremely sad life however.

I think 3 to 6 months paid leave like the op said it paid leave. Just because you choose to spend it with an infant is your life choice. Not how I'd choose to spend the time.

Yes you are choosing to spend it at work. Reality check life is not a tit for tat situation. Raising the next generation of humans is a reality of our race. If you choose not to procreate your added bonuses are a clean house, an active sex life and more money in your bank account. Get the fark over yourself and enjoy the good parts and for fark sake find a cure for your horrible case of the whines.

I believe you were whining about not getting enough paid time off for your life choices.

Nope, now stop being defensive. You didn't get a raw deal. Pull your head out of your ass and stop thinking only of yourself. Leave to care for a child is a necessity for a parent. Leave for you to not be at work just to not be at work is a privileged. If you can't understand that, frankly your simple.

Did you blank out on how this conversation started, or are you intentionally ignorant?

No I'm drinking, I don't have to follow a conversation. I get to rant endlessly about any and everything.  Also after 5 beers my opinion is always right and the only one that matters. Duh


Can't argue with that
2014-04-04 11:55:29 PM  
1 vote:

shtychkn: Rozotorical: shtychkn: Rozotorical: shtychkn: Rozotorical: shtychkn: gadian: DarthBart: I took 2 weeks when my daughter was born. I'd have taken more because my wife had a hard pregnancy and a c-section, but there was that whole "unpaid" part of the FMLA. I'd gotten rather used being able to pay bills and buy food.

This is why I'm in favor of a paid stipend to any new parents similar to what they (combined) would have earned while working.  Have it last 3-6 months and then unpaid leave kicks in for another 6 months.

And those that don't choose to have kids? Should we not get these vacations too?

Take a medical leave then. If you think of that as a vacation you must have an extremely sad life however.

I think 3 to 6 months paid leave like the op said it paid leave. Just because you choose to spend it with an infant is your life choice. Not how I'd choose to spend the time.

Yes you are choosing to spend it at work. Reality check life is not a tit for tat situation. Raising the next generation of humans is a reality of our race. If you choose not to procreate your added bonuses are a clean house, an active sex life and more money in your bank account. Get the fark over yourself and enjoy the good parts and for fark sake find a cure for your horrible case of the whines.

I believe you were whining about not getting enough paid time off for your life choices.

Nope, now stop being defensive. You didn't get a raw deal. Pull your head out of your ass and stop thinking only of yourself. Leave to care for a child is a necessity for a parent. Leave for you to not be at work just to not be at work is a privileged. If you can't understand that, frankly your simple.

Did you blank out on how this conversation started, or are you intentionally ignorant?


No I'm drinking, I don't have to follow a conversation. I get to rant endlessly about any and everything.  Also after 5 beers my opinion is always right and the only one that matters. Duh
2014-04-04 11:43:22 PM  
1 vote:

shtychkn: Rozotorical: shtychkn: gadian: DarthBart: I took 2 weeks when my daughter was born. I'd have taken more because my wife had a hard pregnancy and a c-section, but there was that whole "unpaid" part of the FMLA. I'd gotten rather used being able to pay bills and buy food.

This is why I'm in favor of a paid stipend to any new parents similar to what they (combined) would have earned while working.  Have it last 3-6 months and then unpaid leave kicks in for another 6 months.

And those that don't choose to have kids? Should we not get these vacations too?

Take a medical leave then. If you think of that as a vacation you must have an extremely sad life however.

I think 3 to 6 months paid leave like the op said it paid leave. Just because you choose to spend it with an infant is your life choice. Not how I'd choose to spend the time.


Yes you are choosing to spend it at work. Reality check life is not a tit for tat situation. Raising the next generation of humans is a reality of our race. If you choose not to procreate your added bonuses are a clean house, an active sex life and more money in your bank account. Get the fark over yourself and enjoy the good parts and for fark sake find a cure for your horrible case of the whines.
2014-04-04 11:39:07 PM  
1 vote:
Rozotorical:
I am glad you got blamed for it.  I bet you are surprised so often how you get blamed for so many things that are not even your own fault.

Let me get this clear.  If you were in charge, and have an employee that has a work restriction.  You have no problem with that restriction and facilitate their ability to remain employed by covering all the work that they're restricted from doing.  You're in one area, they're in another, and they choose violate that restriction, that's your fault?

I bet you're the kind of person that blames others for walking into your fist all the time too.
2014-04-04 11:30:42 PM  
1 vote:

wildcardjack: My mom the HR director would call this "creative dismissal". And if she's out on Family Leave Act, she litterally has a federal case.


"litterally"

I see what you did there.
2014-04-04 11:22:58 PM  
1 vote:

Rozotorical: shtychkn: gadian: shtychkn: And those that don't choose to have kids? Should we not get these vacations too?

A newborn or an adoption isn't a vacation by any stretch of the imagination.  Even if it were, no, you don't, just because you like to whine about workers with children.

I just don't see why others need to subsidize your life choices.

And paid leave is money that could be used for raises or general leave for all employees.

Move to Somalia then, it is your kind of place. Good luck



No don't! Even in Somalia, those filthy commies,they have paid maternity leave.  14 weeks of it (at 50% of what you were making)! The United States is one of five countries that doesn't have a federally mandated paid parental leave law.The other four - Liberia, Swaziland, and Papua New Guinea,and most likely Best Korea but we don't really know.  Looks like we're in some good company huh?

U-S-A!
2014-04-04 10:58:31 PM  
1 vote:

shtychkn: gadian: shtychkn: And those that don't choose to have kids? Should we not get these vacations too?

A newborn or an adoption isn't a vacation by any stretch of the imagination.  Even if it were, no, you don't, just because you like to whine about workers with children.

I just don't see why others need to subsidize your life choices.

And paid leave is money that could be used for raises or general leave for all employees.


Companies that provide childcare, they're really the worst, aren't they? Right there, another sweet, sweet benefit that you're not getting a piece of.
2014-04-04 10:37:16 PM  
1 vote:

shtychkn: And those that don't choose to have kids? Should we not get these vacations too?


A newborn or an adoption isn't a vacation by any stretch of the imagination.  Even if it were, no, you don't, just because you like to whine about workers with children.
2014-04-04 10:21:52 PM  
1 vote:

Mr. Eugenides: I suspect there's another side to this story.  The company tried to put her on a Performance Improvement Program.  That's a sign that there are issues of some sort.  The bit about the union having no knowledge of said issues is a canard, in general, the company doesn't contact the union with that sort of stuff so there's no reason that the union would know she was having difficulties.


Huh. Someone who actually believes "Performance Improvement Programs" are totally legitimate.

shtychkn: CruJones: Sounds to me like there's a lot more to this story.  A sample of her writing would be helpful, considering she was covering "entertainment" it may well be horrific.

My thought too.


I bet the quotes in the article citing her good rep as an entertainment writer were most likely bogus. Right?
2014-04-04 09:03:27 PM  
1 vote:
They might as well fire someone for destroying company property by flushing toilet paper. Even Lionel Hutz could make a slam dunk out of her case.
2014-04-04 08:57:14 PM  
1 vote:

MyRandomName: The Gentleman Caller: Oh good, I was wondering what the usual defenders were going to say.

Yes. So much simpler to live in ignorance and think every corporate action is an immoral act designed to inflict maximum pain on the innocent.


Not like anyone could easily switch that around the other way to cast aspersions on someone else in this thread, right? Heaven forbid that such a thing might be happening.
2014-04-04 08:48:33 PM  
1 vote:

ReverendJasen: scottydoesntknow: Wouldn't that basically be a catch-all reason for termination then? My company gives me a paltry 250MB limit,

I work for an automotive manufacturer in the Fortune 500--and we still only get 100MB for our inboxes, including Outlook calendar bullshiat.

This is a very very obvious example of "we want to fire you, woman. for being pregnant, so we're going to make some shiat up."


I work for a larger, more evil company with the same mailbox size. We're encouraged to delete paper trails emails to foil courts save hard drive space.
2014-04-04 08:46:17 PM  
1 vote:
Oh good, I was wondering what the usual defenders were going to say.
 
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