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2014-04-04 11:17:26 AM  
Texas uses lethal injection? Pansies.
 
2014-04-04 11:20:27 AM  
to replace an expired supply of the powerful sedative.

Yeah, you wouldn't want to use expired medicine.  He could die!
 
2014-04-04 11:24:49 AM  

nekom: to replace an expired supply of the powerful sedative.

Yeah, you wouldn't want to use expired medicine.  He could die!


They did want him to go into a deep, peaceful sleep, unlike the end he provided to his victims.

Let's see, a self-confessed murderer of 70.  Perhaps staking him out nude and spread eagled over a fire ant anthill would have been a more appropriate end.
 
2014-04-04 12:17:01 PM  

Mugato: Texas uses lethal injection? Pansies.


Seriously, can't they just pay Chuck Norris to roundhouse kick him or something?
 
2014-04-04 12:17:54 PM  

nekom: to replace an expired supply of the powerful sedative.

Yeah, you wouldn't want to use expired medicine.  He could die!


Or it might be less effective, and instead of a quick death, it amounts to cruel and unusual.

/You know, like what he did to his victims.
 
2014-04-04 12:21:25 PM  

RedPhoenix122: nekom: to replace an expired supply of the powerful sedative.

Yeah, you wouldn't want to use expired medicine.  He could die!

Or it might be less effective, and instead of a quick death, it amounts to cruel and unusual.

/You know, like what he did to his victims.


I happen to oppose the death penalty, but the method doesn't really bother me a whole lot.  A few moments of discomfort, even agonizing pain will be over quickly.  Suffering for the rest of one's natural life in a miserable cage seems worse to me.  Not that I'm going to lose any sleep that this asshole is no longer among us.
 
2014-04-04 02:08:26 PM  
Oh hello we will show to you why killing is the bad thing by doing the killing of you. Makes the sensing.
 
2014-04-04 02:50:18 PM  
Revenge porn. Nothing less, nothing more.
 
2014-04-04 02:59:30 PM  
Not a fan of executions, but if they are going to be done they need a lot more spectacle. Like shoving a stick of dynamite in the anus, lighting it and then throwing them off a cliff.

I'd pay to see that. Then again, I'm kind of an asshole.
 
2014-04-04 03:11:13 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Mugato: Texas uses lethal injection? Pansies.

Seriously, can't they just pay Chuck Norris to roundhouse kick him or something?


I dunno, Texas, I thought dragged around by a bull or something.


Prey4reign: They did want him to go into a deep, peaceful sleep, unlike the end he provided to his victims.

Let's see, a self-confessed murderer of 70.  Perhaps staking him out nude and spread eagled over a fire ant anthill would have been a more appropriate end.


Or maybe The State, if they're going to murder someone, should pretend to be more humane than the condemned. It's called a civilization.
 
2014-04-04 03:24:18 PM  

Mugato: RedPhoenix122: Mugato: Texas uses lethal injection? Pansies.

Seriously, can't they just pay Chuck Norris to roundhouse kick him or something?

I dunno, Texas, I thought dragged around by a bull or something.


Prey4reign: They did want him to go into a deep, peaceful sleep, unlike the end he provided to his victims.

Let's see, a self-confessed murderer of 70.  Perhaps staking him out nude and spread eagled over a fire ant anthill would have been a more appropriate end.

Or maybe The State, if they're going to murder someone, should pretend to be more humane than the condemned. It's called a civilization.


Actually, the worse thing that we could do to these people is let them live.  Dying is easy. Living is hard.
 
2014-04-04 03:30:38 PM  
I saw this guy on 48 Hours, he snuck into a house, killed one girl stabbing her 16 times, and cut her sister's throat.

i.cdn.turner.com

She somehow survived, made it to the neighbor's and got help. They caught Tommy Lynn Sells based on her description.
Of course all this was after he killed a couple dozen other people across the U.S.

Fark Tommy Lynn Sells, I hope it hurt.
 
2014-04-04 03:50:19 PM  
Make no mistake, I think scum like the ones described above should be killed. If someone killed a friend or family of mine, I'd find a way to blow him away. However, I'm against the death penalty because there are too many people on death row who were found innocent and by implication, there were most likely many people executed who were innocent. And I don't think the State should murder its own citizens under any circumstances.
 
2014-04-04 04:16:14 PM  

Mugato: Make no mistake, I think scum like the ones described above should be killed. If someone killed a friend or family of mine, I'd find a way to blow him away. However, I'm against the death penalty because there are too many people on death row who were found innocent and by implication, there were most likely many people executed who were innocent. And I don't think the State should murder its own citizens under any circumstances.


That's where you have to detach yourself when it comes to public policy.  One of the things many pro-capital punishment people will ask is "Well, what if god forbid one of your loved ones is murdered?"  Well, I'd want to cut their leg off and use it to beat them to death, duh.  But I wouldn't consider myself in a good position to dictate public policy in that state of mind.
 
2014-04-04 04:30:23 PM  
fta State attorneys argued the new pentobarbital stock falls within the acceptable ranges of potency. Sells' attorneys said they had no way of confirming that.

They do now
 
2014-04-04 04:36:08 PM  

Somacandra: Not a fan of executions, but if they are going to be done they need a lot more spectacle. Like shoving a stick of dynamite in the anus, lighting it and then throwing them off a cliff.

I'd pay to see that. Then again, I'm kind of an asshole.


So, you're suggesting Texas should switch from lethal injection drugs to something they could purchase from ACME?

blog.phiredup.com
 
2014-04-04 04:39:47 PM  
I'm normally notionally opposed to the death penalty. Y'all know the reasons, this isn't the first time it's been mentioned here.

Having said that, I have absolutely zero problem with this sack of crap getting dead by the state. I kinda hope it hurt, but I really don't care. He's gone, bury him (or cremate, or whatever) and move on. The world is a better place with him not in it.

And, as was stated, they've now confirmed the potency of the drug.
 
2014-04-04 04:42:28 PM  
Sells, who claims to have committed as many as 70 killings across the U.S., was sentenced to death for fatally stabbing a 13-year-old South Texas girl in 1999.

Buh-bye!
 
2014-04-04 04:49:20 PM  
I don't understand why they don't just change the drugs, change the system.  Right now, there are a lot of arguments about how it's too painful, it's inhumane, it's cruel and unusual because they say the guy can feel it.

We can put someone under deep enough that we can do brain or heart surgery, then bring them back out.  While they are under, they don't feel a damn thing.

I can't see any reason why you couldn't put a condemned murderer under the same way, and then once he's under, it doesn't really matter how you kill him, he won't feel a thing.

That takes the "it's too cruel, it's too painful" stuff out of the picture.  People that are opposed to the death penalty regardless will still be opposed, but it lets the arguments be about real issues.  It also gets rid of the "We can't find a company to make the drug we need" thing.  There are so many surgeries where they put people under that it's easy to get the drugs needed to do that.
 
2014-04-04 04:55:51 PM  
This is not a good example to use if your point is anti death penalty.  There's not even the usual "are you sure he did it?" rationale.
 
2014-04-04 04:59:52 PM  
it's just April, and Texas has managed to execute five inmates so far this year... wow...

now, don't get me wrong, I belive that some people need to be removed from society, and I am a Virginian... but ohmagawd
 
gja
2014-04-04 05:01:24 PM  

JuggleGeek: I don't understand why they don't just change the drugs, change the system.  Right now, there are a lot of arguments about how it's too painful, it's inhumane, it's cruel and unusual because they say the guy can feel it.

We can put someone under deep enough that we can do brain or heart surgery, then bring them back out.  While they are under, they don't feel a damn thing.

I can't see any reason why you couldn't put a condemned murderer under the same way, and then once he's under, it doesn't really matter how you kill him, he won't feel a thing.

That takes the "it's too cruel, it's too painful" stuff out of the picture.  People that are opposed to the death penalty regardless will still be opposed, but it lets the arguments be about real issues.  It also gets rid of the "We can't find a company to make the drug we need" thing.  There are so many surgeries where they put people under that it's easy to get the drugs needed to do that.


All they need to do is run an increasingly O2 lowering mix of inhaled anesthetic leading to fatal hypoxia.
Wouldn't take long, and to be double-sure they could run concurrent stream of CO2 or nitrogen to ensure they keep O2 displaced for about 10 minutes. NIghty-nite.
 
2014-04-04 05:02:35 PM  

JuggleGeek: I can't see any reason why you couldn't put a condemned murderer under the same way, and then once he's under, it doesn't really matter how you kill him, he won't feel a thing.


I've seen two ideas that I think are intriguing. One is stunningly simple, and that's the return of the guillotine. It's about as quick as possible, and it's damned effective. The blood is an issue, but we can deal with biological waste. Stainless steel facilities would go a long way here.

The other is a chamber that uses something akin to a fuel-air explosive. You're there... and then you're incinerated in a matter of milliseconds. That's quick, and probably painless, but if something goes wrong it could get messy.
 
2014-04-04 05:03:47 PM  
I'm in favor of public drownings. Just tie a big piece of metal to their legs and push them in
 
2014-04-04 05:04:03 PM  

JuggleGeek: I don't understand why they don't just change the drugs, change the system.  Right now, there are a lot of arguments about how it's too painful, it's inhumane, it's cruel and unusual because they say the guy can feel it.

We can put someone under deep enough that we can do brain or heart surgery, then bring them back out.  While they are under, they don't feel a damn thing.

I can't see any reason why you couldn't put a condemned murderer under the same way, and then once he's under, it doesn't really matter how you kill him, he won't feel a thing.

That takes the "it's too cruel, it's too painful" stuff out of the picture.  People that are opposed to the death penalty regardless will still be opposed, but it lets the arguments be about real issues.  It also gets rid of the "We can't find a company to make the drug we need" thing.  There are so many surgeries where they put people under that it's easy to get the drugs needed to do that.


that's how leathal injection is supposed to work, the first set of drugs puts you to sleep, then the next round does the killing.

the fear was that since the drugs were out of date, they woild not be effective in either the putting to sleep or the killing...
 
2014-04-04 05:05:23 PM  

Mugato: Make no mistake, I think scum like the ones described above should be killed. If someone killed a friend or family of mine, I'd find a way to blow him away. However, I'm against the death penalty because there are too many people on death row who were found innocent and by implication, there were most likely many people executed who were innocent. And I don't think the State should murder its own citizens under any circumstances.


How many? I have heard this statement any times and I always wonder how many innocent people have been executed.
 
2014-04-04 05:05:54 PM  

Gonz: It's about as quick as possible, and it's damned effective.


The brain can survive without oxygen for about five minutes.
 
gja
2014-04-04 05:07:36 PM  

Mugato: Texas uses lethal injection? Pansies.


"Hurry up, I ain't got all day"
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-04 05:08:34 PM  
5 YTD?  That's all?  I thought that was a slow week here.  The best was when the woman ax-murderer was executed and someone outside the prison had a sign that said, "Ax, and you shall receive".
 
2014-04-04 05:08:56 PM  
There is no being against the death penalty "but". Sometimes your principles will be tested by good and honest people, people you like... but for the most part, they're tested by assholes and shiatheels. You're not supposed to like it -- indeed, if you like everything your principles make you do, you don't actually have any.

So I'm against the death penalty, and that has to be the end of the tale.
 
gja
2014-04-04 05:08:57 PM  

Boojum2k: Gonz: It's about as quick as possible, and it's damned effective.

The brain can survive without oxygen for about five minutes.


Precisely why I said 10 minutes......
 
2014-04-04 05:12:34 PM  

gja: Boojum2k: Gonz: It's about as quick as possible, and it's damned effective.

The brain can survive without oxygen for about five minutes.

Precisely why I said 10 minutes......


Yeah, I like your way better than the head-chopping one.
 
2014-04-04 05:15:25 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-04 05:16:05 PM  

Active introvert: Mugato: Make no mistake, I think scum like the ones described above should be killed. If someone killed a friend or family of mine, I'd find a way to blow him away. However, I'm against the death penalty because there are too many people on death row who were found innocent and by implication, there were most likely many people executed who were innocent. And I don't think the State should murder its own citizens under any circumstances.

How many? I have heard this statement any times and I always wonder how many innocent people have been executed.


How many is too many?  Do you believe that number is greater than zero?  Since 1973 144 people have been exonerated from death row.  That's about the only solid number anyone can give you.
 
gja
2014-04-04 05:16:09 PM  

Boojum2k: gja: Boojum2k: Gonz: It's about as quick as possible, and it's damned effective.

The brain can survive without oxygen for about five minutes.

Precisely why I said 10 minutes......

Yeah, I like your way better than the head-chopping one.


Very clean, very simple. No arguing "meany meany, you shot him in the weeny" either.
 
2014-04-04 05:19:30 PM  

nekom: How many is too many? Do you believe that number is greater than zero? Since 1973 144 people have been exonerated from death row. That's about the only solid number anyone can give you.


I'm fairly pro-death penalty for the worst crimes, but I would support a moratorium until very solid procedures for the evidence can be established to be sure it is handled down only beyond even the shadow of a reasonable doubt.

Like the guy in TFA.
 
2014-04-04 05:25:04 PM  
Somebody should design some sort of device, maybe a chair, that the condemned could be strapped to, and have electricity passed through their body until they're dead. An 'electric chair', if you will.
 
2014-04-04 05:29:23 PM  

imapirate: Revenge porn. Nothing less, nothing more.


It gets votes for the pandering politicians from those who lack critical-thinking skills and who think that having a death row saves money.,
 
2014-04-04 05:33:33 PM  
Boojum2k:
I'm fairly pro-death penalty for the worst crimes, but I would support a moratorium until very solid procedures for the evidence can be established to be sure it is handled down only beyond even the shadow of a reasonable doubt.

Like the guy in TFA.


Well, I will certainly concede that if we MUST have the death penalty, this asshole is a prime candidate.  No argument there.
 
2014-04-04 05:42:29 PM  

nekom: to replace an expired supply of the powerful sedative.

Yeah, you wouldn't want to use expired medicine.  He could die!


I've never understood this, to be honest. Phenobarb is going to work whether its expired or not. Are they afraid of being sued for not killing him?
 
2014-04-04 05:46:40 PM  
I find it amusing when someone from the Jesus crowd gets all revengey and pro-death penalty. I want to tell them to go back and read those stories about the man, because they clearly did not get it the first time around.
 
2014-04-04 05:50:31 PM  

imapirate: I find it amusing when someone from the Jesus crowd gets all revengey and pro-death penalty. I want to tell them to go back and read those stories about the man, because they clearly did not get it the first time around.


Is this your expression when it's an agnostic or an atheist?
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2014-04-04 05:57:30 PM  

Boojum2k: imapirate: I find it amusing when someone from the Jesus crowd gets all revengey and pro-death penalty. I want to tell them to go back and read those stories about the man, because they clearly did not get it the first time around.

Is this your expression when it's an agnostic or an atheist?
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Last I checked agnostics and atheists don't worship a man named Jesus. They could live according to his teachings, but they wouldn't worship him.
 
2014-04-04 05:58:30 PM  

Mugato: RedPhoenix122: Mugato: Texas uses lethal injection? Pansies.

Seriously, can't they just pay Chuck Norris to roundhouse kick him or something?

I dunno, Texas, I thought dragged around by a bull or something.



Pickup truck.
 
2014-04-04 06:01:23 PM  
The best way to reduce the number of people executed is to make the process so gruesome that (1) juries won't send a man to death row unless they are absolutely sure and (2) killers will think twice.  I don't mean a little bit of gore, I mean explicit brutality... using something like this:
www.sausagemaker.com
 
2014-04-04 06:03:54 PM  

triplenickel03: 5 YTD?  That's all?  I thought that was a slow week here.  The best was when the woman ax-murderer was executed and someone outside the prison had a sign that said, "Ax, and you shall receive".


pro or con, it don't matter, that's funny shiat right there.
 
2014-04-04 06:10:12 PM  

Prof. Frink: Mugato: RedPhoenix122: Mugato: Texas uses lethal injection? Pansies.

Seriously, can't they just pay Chuck Norris to roundhouse kick him or something?

I dunno, Texas, I thought dragged around by a bull or something.


Pickup truck.


Or as we call it, Drag Races.
 
2014-04-04 06:12:51 PM  

Prey4reign: nekom: to replace an expired supply of the powerful sedative.

Yeah, you wouldn't want to use expired medicine.  He could die!

They did want him to go into a deep, peaceful sleep, unlike the end he provided to his victims.

Let's see, a self-confessed murderer of 70.  Perhaps staking him out nude and spread eagled over a fire ant anthill would have been a more appropriate end.


You sound civilized.
 
2014-04-04 06:32:27 PM  

Boojum2k: Sells, who claims to have committed as many as 70 killings across the U.S., was sentenced to death for fatally stabbing a 13-year-old South Texas girl in 1999.

Buh-bye!


I'm always skeptical of such claims.  It is a trite and true tactic of murderers awaiting execution to claim that they have murdered a whole bunch of people so that this and that police department will come interview them; people have spent years, and have dodged execution dates, by dangling in front of detectives the prospect of clearing up some of their unsolved homicide cases.

From Sells' Wikipedia article:  "...law enforcement authorities gradually came to suspect him of 'working the system' by confessing to murders he had not committed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Lynn_Sells
 
2014-04-04 07:23:28 PM  

gja: Very clean, very simple. No arguing "meany meany, you shot him in the weeny" either.


There's an even cheaper way: sealed chamber, and just vacuum out the air.  The Air Force has done testing, to see what could happen to guinea pigs pilots at high-altitude.  Unlike what Hollywood would like you to believe, they just pass out.  Restore oxygen, and they come to.  Don't and ...
 
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