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(Re/code)   Mozilla CEO resigns after about:donations prop8.enable yes comes to light   (recode.net) divider line 440
    More: Followup, Mozilla CEO, Mozilla Corporation, Brendan Eich, CEO, CTO, donations, Firefox  
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2014-04-03 04:15:24 PM  
They'll have an updated statement in an hour saying that he's back on as CEO but not on the board. Then, tomorrow, there'll be another revised statement saying he's only co-CEO but still not on the board. Revision 3.0, announced later that afternoon, will clarify that he's actually not a co-CEO at all and only serves on the board in an advisory capacity. That'll be slightly amended with 3.5, about 30 minutes later, clarifying that his advisory capacity is purely non-advisory. Statement 4.0 will come out later that night to reiterate that he's not actually on the board at all anymore, advisory or otherwise.
 
2014-04-03 04:17:40 PM  

Pocket Ninja: They'll have an updated statement in an hour saying that he's back on as CEO but not on the board. Then, tomorrow, there'll be another revised statement saying he's only co-CEO but still not on the board. Revision 3.0, announced later that afternoon, will clarify that he's actually not a co-CEO at all and only serves on the board in an advisory capacity. That'll be slightly amended with 3.5, about 30 minutes later, clarifying that his advisory capacity is purely non-advisory. Statement 4.0 will come out later that night to reiterate that he's not actually on the board at all anymore, advisory or otherwise.


then jump to version 17 to compete with Google Chrome's modified SVN system and cause bigger numbers look cooler
 
2014-04-03 04:25:07 PM  
I was going to say it's wrong to lead a crusade against a guy who made one mistake 5 years ago, but it seems like he still holds those beliefs and doubled down on them when questioned about it.

Good riddance.
 
2014-04-03 04:44:19 PM  
This is why Eich can't have nice things.
 
2014-04-03 04:47:24 PM  
Mozilla really didn't have any options they're not going to fight their user base to keep a bigot.

It's not like they can attract bigoted users since most of them are on IE since that's what came with the computer their grandson set up for them.
 
2014-04-03 04:57:37 PM  
Man, all the articles about this I've read had commentators wailing about freedom of speech and the First Amendment, despite the fact that this has nothing to do with freedom of speech and First Amendment.
 
2014-04-03 05:00:54 PM  

RexTalionis: Man, all the articles about this I've read had commentators wailing about freedom of speech and the First Amendment, despite the fact that this has nothing to do with freedom of speech and First Amendment.


Motherfarkers don't know shiat about the constitution.

What motherfarkers think the consitution says.

Amendment 1: I get to say whatever I want and you can't say shiat about it.
Amendment 2: ALL THE GUNS.
Amendment 3: Uh...?
Amendment 4: Something about property.
Amendment 5: I don't have to say anything to the cops.
Amendments 6-9: Uh...?
Amendment 10: The federal government is illegal.
 
2014-04-03 05:14:41 PM  
Most people's understanding of "free speech" is limited to what a screaming 14 year old girl thinks it means. And you can't yell "fire!" in a crowded theater.
 
2014-04-03 05:26:33 PM  

RexTalionis: Man, all the articles about this I've read had commentators wailing about freedom of speech and the First Amendment, despite the fact that this has nothing to do with freedom of speech and First Amendment.


To those people it's only free speech if you hate teh gays. Otherwise keep your goddamn mouth shut.

See: Martin Bashir, Stephen Colbert, etc.
 
2014-04-03 05:31:47 PM  

James!: RexTalionis: Man, all the articles about this I've read had commentators wailing about freedom of speech and the First Amendment, despite the fact that this has nothing to do with freedom of speech and First Amendment.

Motherfarkers don't know shiat about the constitution.

What motherfarkers think the consitution says.

Amendment 1: I get to say whatever I want and you can't say shiat about it.
Amendment 2: ALL THE GUNS.
Amendment 3: Uh...?
Amendment 4: Something about property.
Amendment 5: I don't have to say anything to the cops.
Amendments 6-9: Uh...?
Amendment 10: The federal government is illegal.


Classic.
 
2014-04-03 05:45:19 PM  
I suppose he was upset when he found out that his employees and customers expected him to practice the policy of openness and acceptance that his company preaches.
 
2014-04-03 05:52:59 PM  

Pocket Ninja: They'll have an updated statement in an hour saying that he's back on as CEO but not on the board. Then, tomorrow, there'll be another revised statement saying he's only co-CEO but still not on the board. Revision 3.0, announced later that afternoon, will clarify that he's actually not a co-CEO at all and only serves on the board in an advisory capacity. That'll be slightly amended with 3.5, about 30 minutes later, clarifying that his advisory capacity is purely non-advisory. Statement 4.0 will come out later that night to reiterate that he's not actually on the board at all anymore, advisory or otherwise.


And Statement 4.0.1 will accidentally break LGBT extensions, sparking more outrage.
 
2014-04-03 05:59:30 PM  

RexTalionis: Man, all the articles about this I've read had commentators wailing about freedom of speech and the First Amendment, despite the fact that this has nothing to do with freedom of speech and First Amendment.


It's because Freedom of Speech is only for conservatives, libertarians, and other people who hate societal minorities. DUH
 
2014-04-03 06:01:57 PM  
Huh.

I would not have expected the uproar to end like this. I'd have figured it would just ebb over time and then people would forget all about him. Again.
 
2014-04-03 06:03:20 PM  

scottydoesntknow: I was going to say it's wrong to lead a crusade against a guy who made one mistake 5 years ago, but it seems like he still holds those beliefs and doubled down on them when questioned about it.

Good riddance.


I support gay marriage, but sorry, i will never claim that another man's opinion or how he votes is a "mistake".    He doesn't believe the institution of marriage was created with gays in mind, and that his right.
 
2014-04-03 06:03:46 PM  
And thus begins the slow march of free speech and free exercise to the ovens of censorship and oppression. Think people. Stand fast in your bigotry against this bigotry, or it will be too late when they come for you.
 
2014-04-03 06:06:24 PM  

T.rex: I support gay marriage, but sorry, i will never claim that another man's opinion or how he votes is a "mistake". He doesn't believe the institution of marriage was created with gays in mind, and that his right.


Know what isn't his right?

His entitlement to a job.
 
2014-04-03 06:06:57 PM  

Pocket Ninja: They'll have an updated statement in an hour saying that he's back on as CEO but not on the board. Then, tomorrow, there'll be another revised statement saying he's only co-CEO but still not on the board. Revision 3.0, announced later that afternoon, will clarify that he's actually not a co-CEO at all and only serves on the board in an advisory capacity. That'll be slightly amended with 3.5, about 30 minutes later, clarifying that his advisory capacity is purely non-advisory. Statement 4.0 will come out later that night to reiterate that he's not actually on the board at all anymore, advisory or otherwise.


And after each update, you'll find that a quarter of the staff (IE, plugins) will have just stopped working. So you'll have to go to your HR department and request upgrades. One or two may just have to be fired...
 
2014-04-03 06:09:46 PM  
I'm not sure which is worse, hating the gays or having invented Javascript.
 
2014-04-03 06:10:23 PM  
I guess it's somewhat Karmic - a guy who should not have lost his job over something that is no one's farking business lost his job for his strongly held belief about something that is not his farking business.
 
2014-04-03 06:12:21 PM  
Maybe. Just maybe he will reexamine is worldview. ...

Yeah, and maybe I'm a Chinese jet pilot.

/Speech has consequences
 
2014-04-03 06:12:58 PM  

RexTalionis: T.rex: I support gay marriage, but sorry, i will never claim that another man's opinion or how he votes is a "mistake". He doesn't believe the institution of marriage was created with gays in mind, and that his right.

Know what isn't his right?

His entitlement to a job.


Of course not... Its just unfortunate that the criteria by which he lost his employment was based on how he felt about an issue on a ballot.  Do you not agree?   Sounds like retaliation, which is illegal.
 
2014-04-03 06:15:26 PM  

T.rex: RexTalionis: T.rex: I support gay marriage, but sorry, i will never claim that another man's opinion or how he votes is a "mistake". He doesn't believe the institution of marriage was created with gays in mind, and that his right.

Know what isn't his right?

His entitlement to a job.

Of course not... Its just unfortunate that the criteria by which he lost his employment was based on how he felt about an issue on a ballot.  Do you not agree?   Sounds like retaliation, which is illegal.


People not giving you business as they find your politics isn't retaliation, it's living in a civil society. "But... but people aren't supporting my side! Let's try to say not using Firefox is a crime" Go to 4chan with this garbage
 
2014-04-03 06:15:47 PM  

James!: RexTalionis: Man, all the articles about this I've read had commentators wailing about freedom of speech and the First Amendment, despite the fact that this has nothing to do with freedom of speech and First Amendment.

Motherfarkers don't know shiat about the constitution.

What motherfarkers think the consitution says.

Amendment 1: I get to say whatever I want and you can't say shiat about it.
Amendment 2: ALL THE GUNS.
Amendment 3: Uh...?
Amendment 4: Something about property.
Amendment 5: I don't have to say anything to the cops.
Amendments 6-9: Uh...?
Amendment 10: The federal government is illegal.


Damn dude that's nice. You got both smarted and funnied for that.
 
2014-04-03 06:16:52 PM  
I go back and forth about this.  Yes, he donated to Prop 8.  He probably also still is against gay marriage.  The vitriol, though, seems extreme.  I know that pissing off one's base is a big problem, and why he resigned... but he was good at what he did.
 
2014-04-03 06:19:36 PM  

AcademGreen: I go back and forth about this.  Yes, he donated to Prop 8.  He probably also still is against gay marriage.  The vitriol, though, seems extreme.  I know that pissing off one's base is a big problem, and why he resigned... but he was good at what he did.


Would his gay employees agree?
 
2014-04-03 06:19:50 PM  

T.rex: Sounds like retaliation, which is illegal.


1) He was the one who resigned.

2) Even if he was fired, a company's board of directors can dismiss the CEO for whatever reason they choose short of ones that violate his contract.
 
2014-04-03 06:20:30 PM  
Where was the bigot wave of support that the chicken sandwich place received?
If everyone who is against marriage equality chnaged the
 
2014-04-03 06:21:35 PM  

James!: RexTalionis: Man, all the articles about this I've read had commentators wailing about freedom of speech and the First Amendment, despite the fact that this has nothing to do with freedom of speech and First Amendment.

Motherfarkers don't know shiat about the constitution.

What motherfarkers think the consitution says.

Amendment 1: I get to say whatever I want and you can't say shiat about it.
Amendment 2: ALL THE GUNS.
Amendment 3: Uh...?
Amendment 4: Something about property.
Amendment 5: I don't have to say anything to the cops.
Amendments 6-9: Uh...?
Amendment 10: The federal government is illegal.


this guy? He's alright.
 
2014-04-03 06:22:27 PM  

Kittypie070: Damn dude that's nice. You got both smarted and funnied for that.


At least twice each, then, between us.
 
2014-04-03 06:23:36 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: And thus begins the slow march of free speech and free exercise to the ovens of censorship and oppression. Think people. Stand fast in your bigotry against this bigotry, or it will be too late when they come for you.


"...and when they came for the trolls, there was no one left to speak out for me."
 
2014-04-03 06:23:51 PM  

jfarkinB: Kittypie070: Damn dude that's nice. You got both smarted and funnied for that.

At least twice each, then, between us.


3.
 
2014-04-03 06:26:19 PM  
Do you know who else was against gay marriage in 2008?
cdn.frontpagemag.com
 
2014-04-03 06:27:23 PM  

CodeMonkey4Life: Where was the bigot wave of support that the chicken sandwich place received?
If everyone who is against marriage equality chnaged the


Oh, look - one of those million monkeys with typewriters is trying to say something.
 
2014-04-03 06:28:57 PM  
The board picks a CEO, presumably because they think he is the best candidate to lead the company forward, and he gets forced out after a matter of weeks because the Internet throws a hissy fit?  Makes Mozilla look weak and clueless.
 
2014-04-03 06:29:24 PM  

James!: Mozilla really didn't have any options they're not going to fight their user base to keep a known bigot.


I'm sure they have lots of bigots on board; this one just had the unfortunate circumstance of being outed.
 
2014-04-03 06:29:59 PM  
Oops. Forgot the obligatory "ftfy" or whatever.
 
2014-04-03 06:31:05 PM  

CodeMonkey4Life: here was the bigot wave of support that the chicken sandwich place received?


I still go there but I only go on Sundays. I want to shop on my own terms but they are always closed so we're in sort of a stalemate.
 
2014-04-03 06:31:58 PM  
First Amendment: The Good Parts
 
2014-04-03 06:32:22 PM  

AcademGreen: I go back and forth about this.  Yes, he donated to Prop 8.  He probably also still is against gay marriage.  The vitriol, though, seems extreme.  I know that pissing off one's base is a big problem, and why he resigned... but he was good at what he did.


How does being good at what he did relate to the issue? Are you suggesting the better at your job you are, the more bigoted you can be without people being able to complain about your bigotry? Because otherwise I can't see any relevancy.
 
2014-04-03 06:35:08 PM  

jso2897: CodeMonkey4Life: Where was the bigot wave of support that the chicken sandwich place received?
If everyone who is against marriage equality chnaged the

Oh, look - one of those million monkeys with typewriters is trying to say something.


I clicked add comment out of some kind of muscle memory habit when I actually intended to give up on a poorly thought out post and click refresh, It is drivel and I apologize for wasting your time.
 
2014-04-03 06:36:35 PM  
Doesn't seem like he brought his politics into work. Everybody who tied them together (I'm looking at you OKCupid) are jerks. How would we all feel if the internet bullied a CEO to step down for being gay?
 
2014-04-03 06:39:02 PM  

xria: AcademGreen: I go back and forth about this.  Yes, he donated to Prop 8.  He probably also still is against gay marriage.  The vitriol, though, seems extreme.  I know that pissing off one's base is a big problem, and why he resigned... but he was good at what he did.

How does being good at what he did relate to the issue? Are you suggesting the better at your job you are, the more bigoted you can be without people being able to complain about your bigotry? Because otherwise I can't see any relevancy.


I'd stand behind that argument, kinda? I mean people can complain and gnash teeth all they like. But the better job you do, the harder it'd probably be to get fired over personal problems, or beliefs.

Fact of the matter is, I'm never paying to use Tumblr again after this.
 
2014-04-03 06:39:46 PM  

xria: How does being good at what he did relate to the issue? Are you suggesting the better at your job you are, the more bigoted you can be without people being able to complain about your bigotry? Because otherwise I can't see any relevancy.


The same kind of thinking that "success" is morally superior and "failure" indicate moral deficiency.
He was a CEO, a job creator, and what he thinks is better, smarter, and more worthy than thought rattling around the empty heads of those damn poors who can't even afford to buy a browser.
 
2014-04-03 06:40:14 PM  

serial_crusher: How would we all feel if the internet bullied a CEO to step down for being gay?


Irrelevant. He wasn't pressured to step down for being straight... he was pressured to step down for financially supporting bigotry.

Also... the board of directors for Mozilla didn't feel that his financial support of bigotry reflected well upon the company and therefore THEY wanted him to resign.
 
2014-04-03 06:43:21 PM  

CodeMonkey4Life: jso2897: CodeMonkey4Life: Where was the bigot wave of support that the chicken sandwich place received?
If everyone who is against marriage equality chnaged the

Oh, look - one of those million monkeys with typewriters is trying to say something.

I clicked add comment out of some kind of muscle memory habit when I actually intended to give up on a poorly thought out post and click refresh, It is drivel and I apologize for wasting your time.


Don't mistake friendly Fark ridicule for annoyance, buddy. It's a pleasure.
 
2014-04-03 06:43:28 PM  

Triumph: Do you know who else was against gay marriage in 2008?
[cdn.frontpagemag.com image 640x459]


Who cares? Heroes are for suckers.

Progress has been made and that is a good thing.
 
2014-04-03 06:44:56 PM  

scottydoesntknow: I was going to say it's wrong to lead a crusade against a guy who made one mistake 5 years ago, but it seems like he still holds those beliefs and doubled down on them when questioned about it.

Good riddance.


Yes we should outcast anyone who doesnt agree with the populace. Shun the outsiders. How dare someone speak differently.

If he was using his position or company to espouse his views, it would make sense to have him step down. He wasn't. This is just irrational anger. It is the same soft bigotry that allowed companies to fire gay employees 20 years ago because of their private actions. Ironic that.
 
2014-04-03 06:45:56 PM  
Now that they've got this guy, expect activists to start going after public companies who employ anyone who donated in this way. Now that they've got the taste of blood, we're going to start seeing payback campaigns - because as other people have pointed out "free speech has consequences" - and you *should* lose your job if you've expressed a view that the majority disagrees with.
 
2014-04-03 06:48:00 PM  
That might be the worst $1000 ever spent.
 
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