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(BBC-US)   After seeing what they did to Arizona, UK backs off on threatening badgers further   (bbc.com) divider line 26
    More: Interesting, Arizona UK, European Commissioner, South West England, Institute of Zoology  
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2014-04-03 01:44:43 PM  
He doesn't give a shiat.

/mushroom mushroom
 
2014-04-03 01:44:59 PM  
Badgers? We don't need no stinkin badgers!
 
2014-04-03 01:48:47 PM  
Yeah, look what he did to Mr. Toad.
 
2014-04-03 01:52:50 PM  
The turtle is nature's suction cup!
 
2014-04-03 01:54:10 PM  
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2014-04-03 01:57:35 PM  
How can you have an unsuccessful culling?

Ramp it up and get some kids out there with some 22 cal rifles!!
FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY!
Not to mention dinners for a month.
 
2014-04-03 02:02:47 PM  
Subby is comma-tose.
 
2014-04-03 02:06:15 PM  
Know a place he'll be. Safe place. Using some new tech gun scans. High class, too. Won't let me in there. You might slip in. Of course, you couldn't buy an invite with a diamond the size of a testicle. I got my hands on a couple.  Of invites!
 
2014-04-03 02:07:34 PM  
Not scared.
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2014-04-03 02:08:59 PM  
<csb>
So I was driving down the road interstate one time with my mother and sister in our Ford windstar minivan, going about 65 mph, when a rather large badger started to cross the road just ahead.  Knowing that it was inevitable, I didn't swerve to miss it.  We went over it... thump... thump... both front and back tires, and I shiat you not...

That damn thing didn't miss a beat, just kept trucking right across the highway.

</csb>

I think it probably died later of internal bleeding, but it looked unharmed, if not just slightly pissed off...

Also, I'm wondering about the animal's ribcage and whether or not it's super strong to be able to support/protect the internal organs in case of a tunnel collapse as they are primarily a burrowing animal...
 
2014-04-03 02:19:46 PM  

pkrzycki: <csb>
So I was driving down the road interstate one time with my mother and sister in our Ford windstar minivan, going about 65 mph, when a rather large badger started to cross the road just ahead.  Knowing that it was inevitable, I didn't swerve to miss it.  We went over it... thump... thump... both front and back tires, and I shiat you not...

That damn thing didn't miss a beat, just kept trucking right across the highway.

</csb>

I think it probably died later of internal bleeding, but it looked unharmed, if not just slightly pissed off...

Also, I'm wondering about the animal's ribcage and whether or not it's super strong to be able to support/protect the internal organs in case of a tunnel collapse as they are primarily a burrowing animal...


Someone crossed a badger with a Hero Shrew.
 
2014-04-03 02:20:55 PM  

QueenMamaBee: Not scared.
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I can't believe they are still in it!

Talk about waiting until the last second to get your sh*t together.....
 
2014-04-03 02:23:11 PM  
Subby, how long have you've waited for a headline like that?

/the stars, the planets, the tides; all aligned perfectly for that gag to work

//buy a lottery ticket, TODAY
 
2014-04-03 02:29:25 PM  
puddleoffire: "Not to mention dinners for a month"

I believe the ultimate goal is eating *less* meat from animals with TB.

And as to "how a cull can fail" -- if you don't kill enough animals *fast enough* they just take their disease into other, additional populations, exacerbating the problem.
If you actually want to control the spread of disease in wild animals, you can't wait around for part-timers to take enough picnics. And sending them out there to disturb these animals is just going to make life more difficult for those who are actually capable of a humane and efficient cull.
 
2014-04-03 02:37:16 PM  
Wonder how many of you give to your local game and fish departments. Yummy. Population control.
 
2014-04-03 02:46:56 PM  

The Muthaship: QueenMamaBee: Not scared.
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I can't believe they are still in it!

Talk about waiting until the last second to get your sh*t together.....


Better late than never

/like last year's team
 
2014-04-03 03:21:56 PM  

danno_to_infinity: Subby, how long have you've waited for a headline like that?

/the stars, the planets, the tides; all aligned perfectly for that gag to work

//buy a lottery ticket, TODAY


lets just say I'm playing the lotto later

//subby
///badger
////my Memorial Union membership card, let me show you it
 
2014-04-03 03:53:32 PM  

QueenMamaBee: Not scared.
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You should be....you should be
 
2014-04-03 04:10:38 PM  

onzmadi: QueenMamaBee: Not scared.
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You should be....you should be


Eh, they said that about Michigan, too.

Only scared about the nasty storm brewing outside my window right now. That's not a metaphor for anything. Holy shiat it got dark.
 
2014-04-03 04:42:08 PM  

QueenMamaBee: onzmadi: QueenMamaBee: Not scared.
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You should be....you should be

Eh, they said that about Michigan, too.

Only scared about the nasty storm brewing outside my window right now. That's not a metaphor for anything. Holy shiat it got dark.


you might want to watch out.  Just the other day, Ma Nature got 3 sheets to the wind and hammered the neighboring state with both a blizzard AND a tornado, on the same day, in the same spot.  She's probably still on a bender, or at least got a nasty 2 day long hangover.
 
2014-04-03 04:58:43 PM  

danno_to_infinity: QueenMamaBee: onzmadi: QueenMamaBee: Not scared.
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You should be....you should be

Eh, they said that about Michigan, too.

Only scared about the nasty storm brewing outside my window right now. That's not a metaphor for anything. Holy shiat it got dark.

you might want to watch out.  Just the other day, Ma Nature got 3 sheets to the wind and hammered the neighboring state with both a blizzard AND a tornado, on the same day, in the same spot.  She's probably still on a bender, or at least got a nasty 2 day long hangover.


Yeah, we're under a severe thunderstorm warning/tornado watch until 9 pm. I'm leaving work now. this should be fun.
 
2014-04-03 05:11:10 PM  

ringersol: And as to "how a cull can fail" -- if you don't kill enough animals *fast enough* they just take their disease into other, additional populations, exacerbating the problem.
If you actually want to control the spread of disease in wild animals, you can't wait around for part-timers to take enough picnics. And sending them out there to disturb these animals is just going to make life more difficult for those who are actually capable of a humane and efficient cull.


There are additional problems with culling badgers. They're nocturnal, so you're sending teams of folks with rifles out at night near their sets.

You also have to bear in mind, that the environment secretary, Owen Paterson, is an eejit. When faced with the evidence that the cull was a failure, he famously said that "the badgers have moved the goalposts".

The cull has failed by all metrics set; so, it's nice that the programme is not being expanded. But the pilot culls will continue.

/Oh, and the farking environment secretary is a climate change sceptic.
//Fark these farking Tory twunts.
 
2014-04-03 05:59:34 PM  
I'm surprised that shooting didn't work as it looks like the most humane way to do it, an accurate rifle shot is about as good as it gets really: one moment badgy is snuffling about, next he's spark out. I'm bound to wonder if the anti crowd isn't skewing this somehow - I was listening on the radio earlier and they said that "68 out of 67" badgers died cleanly - that is a very acceptable ratio in real life and if that doesn't satisfy them I wonder what will.

If they need shooting they need shooting - end of, it shouldn't be left to ignorant suburbanites to cast the deciding vote.
There's certainly no shortage of badgers in the UK and, although I feel sorry for them - Euro Badgers are pretty cute, inoffensive creatures btw, I'd prefer if they were killed that it be quick and humane. My suspicion now is that they will gas whole setts, which is more efficient but also more indiscriminate. However it's a lot less emotive because it doesn't set of the whole "OMG gunz are teh eevilz" sentiment.
 
2014-04-03 06:34:41 PM  

ethics-gradient: I'm surprised that shooting didn't work as it looks like the most humane way to do it, an accurate rifle shot is about as good as it gets really: one moment badgy is snuffling about, next he's spark out.


Yes, but badgers are nocturnal.

Getting a good shot on a small animal in the dark, and in unkempt rural conditions ain't easy.

I'm bound to wonder if the anti crowd isn't skewing this somehow - I was listening on the radio earlier and they said that "68 out of 67" badgers died cleanly - that is a very acceptable ratio in real life and if that doesn't satisfy them I wonder what will.

You mean 67 out of 68, of course.

If that statistic is correct, that means that 1.5% of badgers were killed inhumanely.

Defra's independent expert panel, using the metric for a "humane kill" being that the animal died within 5 minutes, has apparently concluded that between 6.4 per cent and 18 per cent of animals exceeded that limit.

The cost of the culls have also come into question. The cost of policing the culls is apparently £1311 per badger, with estimates of cost per badger killed at £4121 - although that estimate comes from a wildlife charity, so perhaps should be taken with a grain of salt.

If they need shooting they need shooting - end of, it shouldn't be left to ignorant suburbanites to cast the deciding vote.
There's certainly no shortage of badgers in the UK and, although I feel sorry for them - Euro Badgers are pretty cute, inoffensive creatures btw, I'd prefer if they were killed that it be quick and humane. My suspicion now is that they will gas whole setts, which is more efficient but also more indiscriminate. However it's a lot less emotive because it doesn't set of the whole "OMG gunz are teh eevilz" sentiment.


I haven't seen any evidence of anti-gun sentiment in the British media.

The anti-cull folks seem to be motivated chiefly by the needless slaughter of wild animals when there's no scientific backing to it.

And, the pilot programme was to cull the badgers, as opposed to vaccinating them.

I'm not hung up over the death of animals myself. Not so CSB: my bro was walking his two lurchers recently, when they attacked and killed a sheep. So, he had to shoot his own dogs. If he hadn't, there was a queue of people behind him prepared to do it.

But Mr. "the badgers moved the goalposts" is clearly a dimwitted Tory farknugget who is not concerned with the welfare of the badgers; going straight for a cull, with no scientific basis, before trying something more humane, such as vaccination.
 
2014-04-03 09:37:03 PM  
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2014-04-04 09:01:29 AM  
The people hired to cull the badgers were supposed to be professionals and a properly equipped professional shot can be expected to humanely dispatch a wild animal in an "unkempt" environment most of the time. 1.5% is excellent I'd say and a terstament to tyheoir skill so why Radio4 blathered on about that I do know (quite probably because they didn't know what they were talking about and were shooting in the dark in an attempt to land one on the minister), 6.5% is a OK ratio in the real world. 18% is unacceptable.
I quite believe this has cost silly money and if one includes the additional costs of the policing to keep the ignorant loons at bay it could easily mount up.
Whatever it cost it is clearly not going to be shooting as it's entirely too emotive an image rallying point, so it will likely to be gassing them which is how it used to be done. The shame of it is that more badgers will die this way as a man with a rifle can be discrimating whereas a man with a gas cylinder is not, the antis protests will probably be more counterproductive than if they'd let selective culling go ahead.
 
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