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(Trust.org)   France briefs doctors on warning signs of ebola as fears grow that latest outbreak could spread from Africa. Briefly, when a patient complains of flu-like symptoms then starts to bleed from the eyes and liquefy like a bass in a blender, it's ebola   (trust.org) divider line 100
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2014-04-03 02:31:00 PM  

ArtosRC: machoprogrammer: It's transmitted through bodily fluids and kills very quickly, so it doesn't spread as fast as you would think. So unless a person is hemorrhaging blood near you and you get it on you, you probably won't get it. Part of the problem with the outbreaks has been due to how the local culture performs death rituals.

Would sweat constitute as a bodily fluid for transmission, or is it primarily a blood thing? I ask only because of where Guinea is and how warm it is there.


It can spread through sweat, but you have to be carrying a huge viral load before it starts expressing through sweat glands.  The the time you're sweating Ebola you're too far gone to save.  The primary vector is blood and Ebola causes bleeding from the mucus membranes.
 
2014-04-03 02:31:57 PM  

Richard C Stanford: Well, time to build that decontamination chamber and start stockpiling food.
Figure the best way to survive an outbreak of Ebola would be to just quarantine yourself away from the outside world until it passes.
Am I correct, or am I missing something?


Avoid places that have open sewers, or where people either defecate on the ground, or empty chamber pots onto the street, because they don't have a sewage system.  Also, avoid touching bloody bandages or sheets, wearing clothes you took off of dead people, and avoid any other big gooey things  you may see.  Do this, and you will not likely get Ebola.  It has a very short survival period outside a host body.  Even in Africa, the disease rarely shows up outside of really remote villages, because even the most poorest cities usually have some kind of sanitation.
 
2014-04-03 02:36:10 PM  

MaliFinn: Madagascar in 3...2...1...


Too late.  They already shut down everything.
 
2014-04-03 02:36:23 PM  

Richard C Stanford: Well, time to build that decontamination chamber and start stockpiling food.
Figure the best way to survive an outbreak of Ebola would be to just quarantine yourself away from the outside world until it passes.
Am I correct, or am I missing something?


so if it is around for a couple of years, where are you going to store a couple years worth of food/water/electricity/fark/doritos/worldofwarcraft?
 
2014-04-03 02:37:21 PM  

knight_on_the_rail: I thought the big worry was mutation to an airborne pathogen. As someone said above, sooner or later some virus will take out a big chunk of us, I for one hope it's a virus that makes you feel totally great for 50 years before killing you.


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2014-04-03 02:38:12 PM  

Tenga: U.N Envoy Randall Flagg is on it.


Baby, can you dig your man?
 
2014-04-03 02:38:14 PM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: because even the most poorest cities usually have some kind of sanitation.


as in another thread, yeah - even the poor of today have simple luxuries like sewage systems.  Most of the world has nothing to fear from this.
 
2014-04-03 02:38:16 PM  

Naesen: Stile4aly: MaudlinMutantMollusk: ♫ When you spleen liquifies
And blood squirts from your eyes
That's ebola... ♫

♫ When your mucus membranes
leave you howling in pain
That's ebola.  ♫

When your vomit and stool
Leaves one huge bloody pool
That's ebola


When you pass out and bleed
from every orifice indeed
That's ebola...
 
2014-04-03 02:40:55 PM  
Ok, according to The Hot Zone (Have it on the shelf right next to me!) , most if not all cases of Ebola and Marburg were traced back to one Kitum Cave. Why the FARK haven't they barricaded this thing or filled it in? Seriously, are they having group tours? "Over here on the right you'll see the bat-guano encrusted stalagtite that someone could have touched back in the late seventies and we think there's a possibility that MIGHT be where hiv came from... Please, no touching!"
 
2014-04-03 02:42:48 PM  
Well, he was getting tired of waiting around.

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2014-04-03 02:43:35 PM  

Deep Contact: youmightberight: Richard C Stanford: Well, time to build that decontamination chamber and start stockpiling food.
Figure the best way to survive an outbreak of Ebola would be to just quarantine yourself away from the outside world until it passes.
Am I correct, or am I missing something?

Nope that's a sound strategy - prep for 6 mo of food /water - also good idea to make your house look like it's got Ebola running rampant all over everything. Keeps the looters away.

Sprinkle some dead victims around your front lawn.


Yeah. The corpses should be able to pass through a sieve fairly easily for convenient sprinkling.
 
2014-04-03 02:47:55 PM  

Little Nikke: Richard C Stanford: Well, time to build that decontamination chamber and start stockpiling food.
Figure the best way to survive an outbreak of Ebola would be to just quarantine yourself away from the outside world until it passes.
Am I correct, or am I missing something?

Pretty much. It's extremely virulent and (luckily) only gets passed through bodily fluids. So, kick out anyone displaying the first hint of flu-like symptoms (they can come back if they don't start bleeding from the eyes in a few days), and leave the dead bodies alone. Maybe throw some charcoal on them, toss a Molotov cocktail and stay up-wind until everything is burned away.

/Hospital workers and close family members that take care of the sick are the most prone to catch it.


I've got a walk out basement, so I could probably rig up some tarp as a curtain, run the hose from the outdoor faucet, and improvise a decontamination shower. Of course, any soap would flow into the drainage creek, so that's a minus, but it's an emergency situation. So anyway, after someone's been washed off, they'd stay in the basement until they start showing symptoms or get a clean bill of health. But the furnace and AC are down there. Crap. Maybe I could quarter off that area away from the sick area? I could just use the garage as a quarantine area, but it's either too hot or too cold and doesn't have a toilet. I don't know, what do any of you think?
 
2014-04-03 02:51:49 PM  
Richard C Stanford:  I don't know, what do any of you think?
 
2014-04-03 02:53:18 PM  

El Dudereno: also good idea to make your house look like it's got Ebola running rampant all over everything. Keeps the looters away.


Mix up a little fake blood, cover your hands/body in it and leave bloody handprints/smears leading to the doors.  Problem solved!
 
2014-04-03 02:55:06 PM  

Stile4aly: It can spread through sweat, but you have to be carrying a huge viral load before it starts expressing through sweat glands.  The the time you're sweating Ebola you're too far gone to save.  The primary vector is blood and Ebola causes bleeding from the mucus membranes.


Absolutely horrifying stuff.
 
2014-04-03 02:56:10 PM  

Richard C Stanford: Little Nikke: Richard C Stanford: Well, time to build that decontamination chamber and start stockpiling food.
Figure the best way to survive an outbreak of Ebola would be to just quarantine yourself away from the outside world until it passes.
Am I correct, or am I missing something?

Pretty much. It's extremely virulent and (luckily) only gets passed through bodily fluids. So, kick out anyone displaying the first hint of flu-like symptoms (they can come back if they don't start bleeding from the eyes in a few days), and leave the dead bodies alone. Maybe throw some charcoal on them, toss a Molotov cocktail and stay up-wind until everything is burned away.

/Hospital workers and close family members that take care of the sick are the most prone to catch it.

I've got a walk out basement, so I could probably rig up some tarp as a curtain, run the hose from the outdoor faucet, and improvise a decontamination shower. Of course, any soap would flow into the drainage creek, so that's a minus, but it's an emergency situation. So anyway, after someone's been washed off, they'd stay in the basement until they start showing symptoms or get a clean bill of health. But the furnace and AC are down there. Crap. Maybe I could quarter off that area away from the sick area? I could just use the garage as a quarantine area, but it's either too hot or too cold and doesn't have a toilet. I don't know, what do any of you think?


Of course, this is quite premature. I'm just thinking through what I would do if it got out of Africa. And even if it did, it probably wouldn't make it far. Like everyone's been saying, it's hard for Ebola to spread. I'll save the physical panic for if it gets to the USA.
 
2014-04-03 02:57:56 PM  
Your bowels will leak, bloody-bloody-fec, christ-this-is-weak,
till you shiat your... intestines

Hearts will beep, beep beep beep, beepabeep beepabeep
and then.... you'll flatline.
 
2014-04-03 03:00:35 PM  

Imaginativescreenname: Ok, according to The Hot Zone (Have it on the shelf right next to me!) , most if not all cases of Ebola and Marburg were traced back to one Kitum Cave. Why the FARK haven't they barricaded this thing or filled it in? Seriously, are they having group tours? "Over here on the right you'll see the bat-guano encrusted stalagtite that someone could have touched back in the late seventies and we think there's a possibility that MIGHT be where hiv came from... Please, no touching!"


Kitum Cave is Preston's hypothesis for the home of Marburg (not necessarily Ebola), but truth is that it's endemic is some population of animals and the host species hasn't been identified yet.  The prime candidate is a bat, but we haven't actually found it yet.  Let's grant for a minute that it is a bat.  If it's out in the wild and you seal up the cave where it lives, or where it migrates to, then it has to find somewhere else to live.  You would actually end up causing the vector to seek out a new niche which could potentially cause further spread of the virus.
 
2014-04-03 03:02:57 PM  

svanmeter: Not to alarm anyone, but Dear LeaderObama just sent a bunch of Air Force troops to Africa.


THANKS EBOLA..errr, 0BAMA!!!
 
2014-04-03 03:05:51 PM  

plecos: [cdn.ndemiccreations.com image 850x478]


I love that game!
 
2014-04-03 03:07:13 PM  
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2014-04-03 03:09:35 PM  

Stile4aly: Imaginativescreenname: Ok, according to The Hot Zone (Have it on the shelf right next to me!) , most if not all cases of Ebola and Marburg were traced back to one Kitum Cave. Why the FARK haven't they barricaded this thing or filled it in? Seriously, are they having group tours? "Over here on the right you'll see the bat-guano encrusted stalagtite that someone could have touched back in the late seventies and we think there's a possibility that MIGHT be where hiv came from... Please, no touching!"

Kitum Cave is Preston's hypothesis for the home of Marburg (not necessarily Ebola), but truth is that it's endemic is some population of animals and the host species hasn't been identified yet.  The prime candidate is a bat, but we haven't actually found it yet.  Let's grant for a minute that it is a bat.  If it's out in the wild and you seal up the cave where it lives, or where it migrates to, then it has to find somewhere else to live.  You would actually end up causing the vector to seek out a new niche which could potentially cause further spread of the virus.



Maybe release some Chinese needle snakes to eat the bats?

/ and Africa already has gorillas, so you've got the eventual snake problem covered before you even start
 
2014-04-03 03:09:54 PM  
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2014-04-03 03:15:23 PM  

Richard C Stanford: Of course, this is quite premature. I'm just thinking through what I would do if it got out of Africa. And even if it did, it probably wouldn't make it far. Like everyone's been saying, it's hard for Ebola to spread.


As long as it doesn't have a slight mutation in the next few months.

And, even if it does, there's no big event coming up where people from literally all over the world are converging in one place for a month.

And, even if that was the case, it's not like the climate and biology of Brazil would be conducive to pathogens.
 
2014-04-03 03:19:07 PM  

Gonz: Richard C Stanford: Of course, this is quite premature. I'm just thinking through what I would do if it got out of Africa. And even if it did, it probably wouldn't make it far. Like everyone's been saying, it's hard for Ebola to spread.

As long as it doesn't have a slight mutation in the next few months.

And, even if it does, there's no big event coming up where people from literally all over the world are converging in one place for a month.

And, even if that was the case, it's not like the climate and biology of Brazil would be conducive to pathogens.


Or the fact that their hospitals are totally up to lots of sick people hitting them all at once.
 
2014-04-03 03:21:15 PM  

Little Nikke: Richard C Stanford: Well, time to build that decontamination chamber and start stockpiling food.
Figure the best way to survive an outbreak of Ebola would be to just quarantine yourself away from the outside world until it passes.
Am I correct, or am I missing something?

Pretty much. It's extremely virulent and (luckily) only gets passed through bodily fluids. So, kick out anyone displaying the first hint of flu-like symptoms (they can come back if they don't start bleeding from the eyes in a few days), and leave the dead bodies alone. Maybe throw some charcoal on them, toss a Molotov cocktail and stay up-wind until everything is burned away.

/Hospital workers and close family members that take care of the sick are the most prone to catch it.


David Spade provides these helpful tips:

Thank yew, Norm! Thank yew! Okay! If yer a small bacterial virus that travels through the air or blood, and kills 9 out of 10 people infected within 24 hours of contact - then yew may be.. the Ebola Virus. 

If, on yer W2 tax form, yew list as yer primary residence, the bloodstream of an African Zuzu monkey - by that fact alone, yew could be IDed as the Ebola Virus. 

If the only time people can relax around yew, is when they're wearing a Biosafety Level 4 Hazardous Ebola Virus-proof spacesuit - then yew've nominated yerself as a potential candidate to be elected the Ebola Virus. 

If yer a Playboy centerfold and list as yer turn-ons: making people vomit uncontrollably and bleed out of their eyes and anus - then all arrows point to yew.. being the E. 

If yew walk into a room, and everyone sez, "Oh, no! It's the Ebola Virus!" Then, perchance, there's a blah blah! 

If yer driver's license photo looks like this.. [ holds up cartoon drawing of the Ebola Virus ] ..there's a bleep-blop E Virus. 

If yew find yerself feelin' jealous because the AIDS Virus gets more press than yew - then, maybe the Ebola Virus. 

If people see yew and run! 

Norm MacDonald: [ interrupting ] Okay! I think we get the point there, Jeff, thanks! Thanks for clearing that up. Jeff Foxworthy, ladies and gentlemen!
 
2014-04-03 03:23:18 PM  

ArtosRC: AcademGreen: It's pretty hard to get ebola.  It's a terrible disease, but there is a reason why outbreaks don't last too long.

It's transmitted via touch, right? It's in a population center, right? Doesn't take much for a carrier that's not yet showing symptoms to bump into others and pass it on.

/To say nothing of touching door handles and the like


So long as "by touch" you really meant "bleeding, spitting, or ejaculating into your open wound or mucus membrane", then yes. Or, more succinctly, no. :)

There's a reason why Ebola and Marburg (cousin diseases with similar behavior and similar mortality rates, depending on strain) are mostly a problem in developing countries. Really basic Personal Protective Equipment defeats it. Goggles, gloves, masks, isolation, decontamination.

In Uganda and Guinea especially, the pathogen was being transmitted when the corpses of those who died of Ebola were bathed, touched by all mourners, kissed, held close and cried over. Understandable grieving custom, except when dealing with pathogens.
 
2014-04-03 03:40:10 PM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Richard C Stanford: Well, time to build that decontamination chamber and start stockpiling food.
Figure the best way to survive an outbreak of Ebola would be to just quarantine yourself away from the outside world until it passes.
Am I correct, or am I missing something?

Avoid places that have open sewers, or where people either defecate on the ground, or empty chamber pots onto the street, because they don't have a sewage system.  Also, avoid touching bloody bandages or sheets, wearing clothes you took off of dead people, and avoid any other big gooey things  you may see.  Do this, and you will not likely get Ebola.  It has a very short survival period outside a host body.  Even in Africa, the disease rarely shows up outside of really remote villages, because even the most poorest cities usually have some kind of sanitation.


I think you are confusing ebola with cholera. There are likely bad sewer systems where there is Ebola, but that's more correlation... Ebola thrives where there is ignorance of disease transmission, and/or inadequate protective supplies... i.e. developing countries. I haven't seen any reputable source that links tainted sewage with Ebola transmission, it's from direct handling (family, funerals) and health workers. That said, you couldn't pay me to bathe in Ebola sewage...
 
2014-04-03 03:41:57 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ♫ When you spleen liquifies
And blood squirts from your eyes
That's ebola... ♫


memecrunch.com
 
2014-04-03 03:44:20 PM  

Richard C Stanford: I've got a walk out basement, so I could probably rig up some tarp as a curtain, run the hose from the outdoor faucet, and improvise a decontamination shower. Of course, any soap would flow into the drainage creek, so that's a minus, but it's an emergency situation. So anyway, after someone's been washed off, they'd stay in the basement until they start showing symptoms or get a clean bill of health. But the furnace and AC are down there. Crap. Maybe I could quarter off that area away from the sick area? I could just use the garage as a quarantine area, but it's either too hot or too cold and doesn't have a toilet. I don't know, what do any of you think?


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Free me
 
2014-04-03 03:52:56 PM  

tentaculistic: There's a reason why Ebola and Marburg (cousin diseases with similar behavior and similar mortality rates, depending on strain) are mostly a problem in developing countries. Really basic Personal Protective Equipment defeats it. Goggles, gloves, masks, isolation, decontamination.


That's somewhat reassuring.
 
2014-04-03 03:53:07 PM  

namegoeshere: The fact that it is so scary-deadly is actually a good thing. It kills quickly and efficiently, so there isn't as much chance for it to spread.


This, kinda.

The fact that there are still millions of people in Africa (rather than all of them dying in the last ebola outbreak) is somewhat comforting.
 
2014-04-03 04:00:40 PM  

machoprogrammer: ArtosRC: AcademGreen: It's pretty hard to get ebola.  It's a terrible disease, but there is a reason why outbreaks don't last too long.

It's transmitted via touch, right? It's in a population center, right? Doesn't take much for a carrier that's not yet showing symptoms to bump into others and pass it on.

/To say nothing of touching door handles and the like

It's transmitted through bodily fluids and kills very quickly, so it doesn't spread as fast as you would think. So unless a person is hemorrhaging blood near you and you get it on you, you probably won't get it. Part of the problem with the outbreaks has been due to how the local culture performs death rituals.


That and the poor locals who try to treat the diseased people tend to get infected also.

Th whole thing starts when someone eats tainted bushmeat. Quit eating bats and stuff and these things might not occur as often.
 
2014-04-03 04:06:06 PM  

Richard C Stanford


I could just use the garage as a quarantine area, but it's either too hot or too cold and doesn't have a toilet. I don't know, what do any of you think?


How should we know? It's your garage.
 
2014-04-03 04:25:44 PM  
"I caught it in Zaire and it made me ill,
now there ain't no cure and there ain't no pill for Ebola,
E-B-olé, ola.
The good doctor said that I won't last long,
but at least I'll make it to the end of the song,
...*Ughhhh* *Sfavorited!*
 
2014-04-03 04:30:16 PM  
This is why I don't visit Africa... or France.
 
2014-04-03 05:10:42 PM  
♬ When the dude starts to die and then bleeds from his eye . . . that's Ebola.♫
 
2014-04-03 05:15:15 PM  
Bleeding from the eyes?

I've got plenty of Sokolov's elixir handy.
 
2014-04-03 05:17:44 PM  

Deep Contact: youmightberight: Richard C Stanford: Well, time to build that decontamination chamber and start stockpiling food.
Figure the best way to survive an outbreak of Ebola would be to just quarantine yourself away from the outside world until it passes.
Am I correct, or am I missing something?

Nope that's a sound strategy - prep for 6 mo of food /water - also good idea to make your house look like it's got Ebola running rampant all over everything. Keeps the looters away.

Sprinkle Squirtsome dead victims around your front lawn.

FTFY

 
2014-04-03 05:26:36 PM  
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2014-04-03 05:47:37 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Quit eating bats and stuff and these things might not occur as often.


I have a feeling that part of the problem is saying "quit eating bats and stuff" is the same as saying "quit eating".
 
2014-04-03 06:37:30 PM  
Well, there goes the neighborhood.  Time to load up and get my apocalypse bunker ready:
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2014-04-03 06:43:04 PM  
Good book. I was disgustingly fascinated by it.

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2014-04-03 07:48:22 PM  

rev. dave: It is amazing that it has managed to remain a relatively contained disease.   But it is worth noting that there is a disease which kills up to 90% of the infected people.    There will be a point in the future, sadly, where a disease like this will become widespread.  It is what happens in nature when a species overpopulates.


It's the lethality of the disease that keeps it from becoming widespread.  It debilitates and kills too quickly for it to spread fast enough to become pandemic.  If the virus learned how to transmit by droplet particles, it might become truly scary.
 
2014-04-03 07:58:51 PM  

Brick-House: If only there was some process from the past that when employed could screen out infected people before they were let into the country. Somethng like what they did at Ellis Island. Too Bad common sense was the first casuality.

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We'll just tell all the airline travellers they need to be quarantined alongside all the pets until we see if they develop symptoms.  Infection to symptoms can be 21 days, I'm sure they cooperate with a 3-week campout every time they return to the US and not start stamping the feet about their rights.
 
2014-04-03 08:06:38 PM  

Imaginativescreenname: Most if not all cases of Ebola and Marburg were traced back to one Kitum Cave. Why the FARK haven't they barricaded this thing or filled it in? Seriously, are they having group tours?


Well since you mention it, yes... yes they are:     http://www.stormchaser.ca/Biohazards/Kitum_Cave/Kitum_Cave.html
 
2014-04-03 08:18:19 PM  
Ebola Zaire kills quickly.

Let it slow down a bit, maybe let it incubate in the lungs, then we might have a problem.
 
2014-04-04 01:40:13 AM  
Here's an idea, how about making sure no one leaves Africa until this shiat is figured out?
 
2014-04-04 06:12:10 AM  

NotARocketScientist: Deep Contact: youmightberight: Richard C Stanford: Well, time to build that decontamination chamber and start stockpiling food.
Figure the best way to survive an outbreak of Ebola would be to just quarantine yourself away from the outside world until it passes.
Am I correct, or am I missing something?

Nope that's a sound strategy - prep for 6 mo of food /water - also good idea to make your house look like it's got Ebola running rampant all over everything. Keeps the looters away.

Sprinkle Squirtsome dead victims around your front lawn.

FTFY


and let the grass grow.
 
2014-04-04 10:50:01 PM  
If Ebola

A) "learns" how to become airborne,

B) travel in sputum-droplets, and

C) burn just a little bit slower through the populations it strikes...

we are seriously fukt.
 
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