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2014-04-03 12:07:54 PM
I think Magoo is on to something here. We've always been free to use W3C standards, but Chrome, FF and Opera forced IE to get on the bandwagon. And because we don't have to write specifically to IE <9 anymore, we're getting better at educating each other in use of those W3C standards and use of JS/JQuery.
 
2014-04-03 12:12:04 PM
I don't even bother testing for IE < 9.  If someone complains about a showstopper bug then we'll fix it.  But you have to figure that if your office chair is newer than your browser, you deserve to be foisted by your own petard.
 
2014-04-03 12:12:08 PM
Is this article implying that javascript and css are not part of html5 development?
 
2014-04-03 12:13:19 PM

Shazam999: I don't even bother testing for IE < 9.  If someone complains about a showstopper bug then we'll fix it.  But you have to figure that if your office chair is newer than your browser, you deserve to be foisted by your own petard.


Our dev group finally got permission from the business to end future development for MSIE<9. It was a pretty good day.
 
2014-04-03 12:16:26 PM

This Looks Fun: Is this article implying that javascript and css are not part of html5 development?


It's written by a moron, they don't understand that "html5" is an amalgamation of a bunch of a stuff cobbled together into happy marketing term.
 
2014-04-03 12:18:23 PM

This Looks Fun: Is this article implying that javascript and css are not part of html5 development?


Sure, if you intend on only using html5 tags and no styles or scripts.
 
2014-04-03 12:18:55 PM

Shazam999: This Looks Fun: Is this article implying that javascript and css are not part of html5 development?

It's written by a moron, they don't understand that "html5" is an amalgamation of a bunch of a stuff cobbled together into happy marketing term.


Do you do html5 on the cloud?
 
2014-04-03 12:19:49 PM
The Stack Exchange?

Isn't that where they trade breast implant futures?
 
2014-04-03 12:23:25 PM

brap: The Stack Exchange?

Isn't that where they trade breast implant futures?


img2.wikia.nocookie.net
"I'd like to get a breast reduction..."

static2.businessinsider.com
"We're ruined!"
 
2014-04-03 12:24:16 PM

EnderWiggnz: Shazam999: This Looks Fun: Is this article implying that javascript and css are not part of html5 development?

It's written by a moron, they don't understand that "html5" is an amalgamation of a bunch of a stuff cobbled together into happy marketing term.

Do you do html5 on the cloud?


You betcha, and here's 10 reasons why it's epic!
 
2014-04-03 12:27:41 PM

Shazam999: I don't even bother testing for IE < 9.  If someone complains about a showstopper bug then we'll fix it.  But you have to figure that if your office chair is newer than your browser, you deserve to be foisted by your own petard.


You have no idea how old our office chairs are...
 
2014-04-03 12:28:45 PM

brap: The Stack Exchange?

Isn't that where they trade breast implant futures?


You're thinking of the Rack Exchange...
 
2014-04-03 12:28:46 PM

Telos: Shazam999: I don't even bother testing for IE < 9.  If someone complains about a showstopper bug then we'll fix it.  But you have to figure that if your office chair is newer than your browser, you deserve to be foisted by your own petard.

You have no idea how old our office chairs are...


Well you'd better watch out for the dreaded Rear Admiral.
 
2014-04-03 12:32:28 PM

brap: The Stack Exchange?

Isn't that where they trade breast implant futures?


It's where overzealous mods keep closing questions because people can't figure out which of the 118 subdomains they're actually supposed to put in the question into.

And where the naive answer is the one that has the most upvotes, and the better answer (if there is one) is buried, with three upvotes.
 
2014-04-03 12:35:33 PM

Shazam999: And where the naive answer is the one that has the most upvotes, and the better answer (if there is one) is buried, with three upvotes.


God, seriously.
 
2014-04-03 12:50:36 PM

Shazam999: brap: The Stack Exchange?

Isn't that where they trade breast implant futures?

It's where overzealous mods keep closing questions because people can't figure out which of the 118 subdomains they're actually supposed to put in the question into.

And where the naive answer is the one that has the most upvotes, and the better answer (if there is one) is buried, with three upvotes.


For a minute I thought you were lashing out at me and got really confused.  Then took the time to peruse the site.

That IS a hot freaking mess.
 
2014-04-03 12:56:34 PM

Shazam999: I don't even bother testing for IE < 9.  If someone complains about a showstopper bug then we'll fix it.  But you have to figure that if your office chair is newer than your browser, you deserve to be foisted by your own petard.


I remember building a site for a client who still used IE6. This wasn't too long ago -- 2012. EVERYONE in the world could see their site just fine, except them. I couldn't convince them that "no, your site's not broken, you're just using an old browser. Please upgrade."
 
2014-04-03 01:03:55 PM

Ishkur: Shazam999: I don't even bother testing for IE < 9.  If someone complains about a showstopper bug then we'll fix it.  But you have to figure that if your office chair is newer than your browser, you deserve to be foisted by your own petard.

I remember building a site for a client who still used IE6. This wasn't too long ago -- 2012. EVERYONE in the world could see their site just fine, except them. I couldn't convince them that "no, your site's not broken, you're just using an old browser. Please upgrade."


That's astounding.  How do they even use the internet?  Most sites just tell you to bugger off now, or they're completely broken.
 
2014-04-03 01:15:00 PM
JavaScript is still king, but use of CSS and HTML5 are gaining

I stopped reading at that title because whoever wrote this clearly has no idea what any of it means.
 
2014-04-03 01:18:54 PM
We're still stuck supporting IE8 (though we've dropped pre-8 support a while ago) because we have large corporate usage on IE8.  Gah!
 
2014-04-03 01:24:42 PM

Shazam999: I don't even bother testing for IE < 9.  If someone complains about a showstopper bug then we'll fix it.  But you have to figure that if your office chair is newer than your browser, you deserve to be foisted by your own petard.


The word you're looking for is hoisted
 
2014-04-03 01:28:20 PM
My shop keeps VM's of IE8,9 and 10 other than that we don't do cross-browser testing.
 
2014-04-03 01:29:18 PM
I'm glad I retired. jQuery meant that impenetrable syntax was back in fashion, and I wasn't going to live long enough to ride it out.
 
2014-04-03 01:32:47 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Shazam999: I don't even bother testing for IE < 9.  If someone complains about a showstopper bug then we'll fix it.  But you have to figure that if your office chair is newer than your browser, you deserve to be foisted by your own petard.

The word you're looking for is hoisted


Yeah, I know.  Didn't bother to correct myself though.
 
2014-04-03 01:37:20 PM

yakmans_dad: I'm glad I retired. jQuery meant that impenetrable syntax was back in fashion, and I wasn't going to live long enough to ride it out.


I bet dependency injection bothered the hell out of you.
 
2014-04-03 01:39:01 PM

Shazam999: Ishkur: Shazam999: I don't even bother testing for IE < 9.  If someone complains about a showstopper bug then we'll fix it.  But you have to figure that if your office chair is newer than your browser, you deserve to be foisted by your own petard.

I remember building a site for a client who still used IE6. This wasn't too long ago -- 2012. EVERYONE in the world could see their site just fine, except them. I couldn't convince them that "no, your site's not broken, you're just using an old browser. Please upgrade."

That's astounding.  How do they even use the internet?  Most sites just tell you to bugger off now, or they're completely broken.


Not the Drudge Report, WorldNewsDaily, or the more major e-commerce sites.
 
2014-04-03 01:44:11 PM

dj_spanmaster: Shazam999: Ishkur: Shazam999: I don't even bother testing for IE < 9.  If someone complains about a showstopper bug then we'll fix it.  But you have to figure that if your office chair is newer than your browser, you deserve to be foisted by your own petard.

I remember building a site for a client who still used IE6. This wasn't too long ago -- 2012. EVERYONE in the world could see their site just fine, except them. I couldn't convince them that "no, your site's not broken, you're just using an old browser. Please upgrade."

That's astounding.  How do they even use the internet?  Most sites just tell you to bugger off now, or they're completely broken.

Not the Drudge Report, WorldNewsDaily, or the more major e-commerce sites.


Amazon.com still seems to work for the most part.  That's good, I guess.
 
2014-04-03 01:49:31 PM
www.strat-talk.com

Developers have more questions about new functionality than functionality they are familiar with.
 
2014-04-03 01:57:07 PM
This suggest that cross-browser compatibility is becoming less of a problem

Given the amount of big, professional, modern Javascript websites that simply don't work properly across browsers, maybe people have just gone back to ten years ago and simply don't bother testing as much as they did five years ago.
Hey, if JQuery 2.x claims it's cross-browser compatible (*), then whatever I've copy&pasted together from StackOverflow JQuery examples I didn't understand, has to be cross-browser compatible, too, right? So why bother testing.

(*)for browsers not older than 3 months
 
2014-04-03 01:58:53 PM

Shazam999: dj_spanmaster: Shazam999: Ishkur: Shazam999: I don't even bother testing for IE < 9.  If someone complains about a showstopper bug then we'll fix it.  But you have to figure that if your office chair is newer than your browser, you deserve to be foisted by your own petard.

I remember building a site for a client who still used IE6. This wasn't too long ago -- 2012. EVERYONE in the world could see their site just fine, except them. I couldn't convince them that "no, your site's not broken, you're just using an old browser. Please upgrade."

That's astounding.  How do they even use the internet?  Most sites just tell you to bugger off now, or they're completely broken.

Not the Drudge Report, WorldNewsDaily, or the more major e-commerce sites.

Amazon.com still seems to work for the most part.  That's good, I guess.


Ebay and QuiBids too. I should know - I help my parents with this subject. Believe me, there are times I want to actively sabotage their machine; instead last weekend I promised them an iPad when they promise to think critically of Glenn Beck.
 
2014-04-03 02:00:18 PM

The Voice of Doom: Given the amount of big, professional, modern Javascript websites that simply don't work properly across browsers


they have serious problems operating at all when noscript is on, maybe they could look at compatibility issues with that popular plugin?
 
2014-04-03 02:03:14 PM

dj_spanmaster: Shazam999: dj_spanmaster: Shazam999: Ishkur: Shazam999: I don't even bother testing for IE < 9.  If someone complains about a showstopper bug then we'll fix it.  But you have to figure that if your office chair is newer than your browser, you deserve to be foisted by your own petard.

I remember building a site for a client who still used IE6. This wasn't too long ago -- 2012. EVERYONE in the world could see their site just fine, except them. I couldn't convince them that "no, your site's not broken, you're just using an old browser. Please upgrade."

That's astounding.  How do they even use the internet?  Most sites just tell you to bugger off now, or they're completely broken.

Not the Drudge Report, WorldNewsDaily, or the more major e-commerce sites.

Amazon.com still seems to work for the most part.  That's good, I guess.

Ebay and QuiBids too. I should know - I help my parents with this subject. Believe me, there are times I want to actively sabotage their machine; instead last weekend I promised them an iPad when they promise to think critically of Glenn Beck.


Are they still running XP? It's been hacked to bits now.  It's fundamentally broken.  Can't you upgrade them to IE8 or something?  That would mitigate some of the threat vectors.
 
2014-04-03 02:09:30 PM

EnderWiggnz: Shazam999: This Looks Fun: Is this article implying that javascript and css are not part of html5 development?

It's written by a moron, they don't understand that "html5" is an amalgamation of a bunch of a stuff cobbled together into happy marketing term.

Do you do html5 on the cloud?


I use responsive mobile cloud 2.0.
 
2014-04-03 02:10:06 PM
Cross-browser testing is slowly becoming less painful as TFA states. If it works in either Firefox or Chrome or Safari, it probably works for the other two browsers in that set.

IE is still a huge hassle primarily because 8 is still the most modern IE that XP users can get, and there are still a bunch of XP users. So it winds up taking up half or more of my testing time because I look at Safari/Chrome/FF, then IE 11, IE 10, IE 9, etc. IE 7 is about the only one that has fallen enough in usage to be safely ignored outside of showstopping bugs.

We're getting there, but it's a slow process.
 
2014-04-03 02:10:32 PM

dj_spanmaster: yakmans_dad: I'm glad I retired. jQuery meant that impenetrable syntax was back in fashion, and I wasn't going to live long enough to ride it out.

I bet dependency injection bothered the hell out of you.


If that's what I think it is, it would have.
If it isn't, it did.
 
2014-04-03 02:16:26 PM
Soltris
Cross-browser testing is slowly becoming less painful as TFA states. If it works in either Firefox or Chrome or Safari, it probably works for the other two browsers in that set.


If that attitude is common, it would be an explanation why some sites aren't working properly in Firefox.
 
2014-04-03 02:24:27 PM

Shazam999: Are they still running XP? It's been hacked to bits now.  It's fundamentally broken.  Can't you upgrade them to IE8 or something?  That would mitigate some of the threat vectors.


One of dad's vendor user interfaces is IE6 optimized, and won't be updated for another 6 months at least. Also, try as I might, I can't get him out of the habit of clicking on a link, then going to the restroom/get more coffee/watch some news. Only "those pirates" need fast Internet.

Might as well be him:
johnclarkeonline.com
 
2014-04-03 02:25:45 PM

The Voice of Doom: Soltris
Cross-browser testing is slowly becoming less painful as TFA states. If it works in either Firefox or Chrome or Safari, it probably works for the other two browsers in that set.

If that attitude is common, it would be an explanation why some sites aren't working properly in Firefox.


I'm beginning to suspect that sites don't work properly in FireFox because of recent political stances made by the company.
 
2014-04-03 02:31:51 PM

EnderWiggnz: Shazam999: This Looks Fun: Is this article implying that javascript and css are not part of html5 development?

It's written by a moron, they don't understand that "html5" is an amalgamation of a bunch of a stuff cobbled together into happy marketing term.

Do you do html5 on the cloud?


Sure, but only on purple clouds. They have the most mips.
 
2014-04-03 02:37:21 PM

The Voice of Doom: Soltris
Cross-browser testing is slowly becoming less painful as TFA states. If it works in either Firefox or Chrome or Safari, it probably works for the other two browsers in that set.

If that attitude is common, it would be an explanation why some sites aren't working properly in Firefox.


I didn't say that I don't test it in all three of those browsers, only that it's more likely to work across all three as opposed to IE which I can open and expect to file a new set of completely different bugs for the devs. I don't know any QEs that test a feature/bug fix in one or two browsers and say "eh, good enough."
 
2014-04-03 02:39:09 PM

This Looks Fun: I use responsive mobile cloud 2.0.


When I use HTML5, I make sure to share it on the next-gen, responsive mobile cloud 2.0 (multi-touch model)
 
2014-04-03 03:30:56 PM

Shazam999: I don't even bother testing for IE < 9.  If someone complains about a showstopper bug then we'll fix it.  But you have to figure that if your office chair is newer than your browser, you deserve to be foisted by your own petard.


You're lucky. At the contract I'm on now the corporate-wide mandated browser is IE8, and all internal apps have to support it. Web development is only peripheral to what I'm doing, but it's still a pain in the ass.
 
2014-04-03 03:43:05 PM

Zavulon: Shazam999: I don't even bother testing for IE < 9.  If someone complains about a showstopper bug then we'll fix it.  But you have to figure that if your office chair is newer than your browser, you deserve to be foisted by your own petard.

You're lucky. At the contract I'm on now the corporate-wide mandated browser is IE8, and all internal apps have to support it. Web development is only peripheral to what I'm doing, but it's still a pain in the ass.


That's actually not bad, because since you're targeting only one browser that's all you have to care about.
 
2014-04-03 04:05:05 PM

Shazam999: Zavulon: Shazam999: I don't even bother testing for IE < 9.  If someone complains about a showstopper bug then we'll fix it.  But you have to figure that if your office chair is newer than your browser, you deserve to be foisted by your own petard.

You're lucky. At the contract I'm on now the corporate-wide mandated browser is IE8, and all internal apps have to support it. Web development is only peripheral to what I'm doing, but it's still a pain in the ass.

That's actually not bad, because since you're targeting only one browser that's all you have to care about.


You're right, it could be worse. We do technically support Firefox, but no one uses it so we don't usually worry about it. The problem is trying to use any modern framework. A lot of stuff either doesn't work in IE8, or you have to do some stupid workaround. What really bugs me, though, is that even though they've switched everyone from XP to Win7, they kept IE8. I didn't think you could even install IE8 on Win7, but they did.
 
2014-04-03 04:11:12 PM

Zavulon: Shazam999: Zavulon: Shazam999: I don't even bother testing for IE < 9.  If someone complains about a showstopper bug then we'll fix it.  But you have to figure that if your office chair is newer than your browser, you deserve to be foisted by your own petard.

You're lucky. At the contract I'm on now the corporate-wide mandated browser is IE8, and all internal apps have to support it. Web development is only peripheral to what I'm doing, but it's still a pain in the ass.

That's actually not bad, because since you're targeting only one browser that's all you have to care about.

You're right, it could be worse. We do technically support Firefox, but no one uses it so we don't usually worry about it. The problem is trying to use any modern framework. A lot of stuff either doesn't work in IE8, or you have to do some stupid workaround. What really bugs me, though, is that even though they've switched everyone from XP to Win7, they kept IE8. I didn't think you could even install IE8 on Win7, but they did.


jQuery still supports IE8.  Knockout too.  What did you want to use?
 
2014-04-03 04:25:40 PM
more and more CSS questions are about the viewport meta tag, which is used to adjust the layout on mobile browsers.

Some people need to recode their sites. I came across one site on my iPhone that was one width and unfortunately, larger than my screen. I had to scroll side-to-side to read anything because I couldn't zoom out or in.
 
2014-04-03 04:43:18 PM
Well who wants to do web development? It is farking boring. Have you any idea how shiatty farking boring it is? millions of pages of utter shiat. Really. If you are thinking of doing this then go raise goats or something. Anything really.

You will thank me.
 
2014-04-03 04:48:22 PM

gaspode: Well who wants to do web development? It is farking boring. Have you any idea how shiatty farking boring it is? millions of pages of utter shiat. Really. If you are thinking of doing this then go raise goats or something. Anything really.

You will thank me.


:( you're not wrong...

/web developer
 
2014-04-03 04:51:04 PM

gaspode: Well who wants to do web development? It is farking boring. Have you any idea how shiatty farking boring it is? millions of pages of utter shiat. Really. If you are thinking of doing this then go raise goats or something. Anything really.

You will thank me.


This. systems programming and goat farming is where it's at.
 
2014-04-03 04:55:33 PM
Let's just hope Dart replaces Javascript.
 
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