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(WhatCulture)   Remember that Lesner/Undertaker stare down at a UFC event a few years ago? Turns out it was about as real as Big Show's father's funeral being interrupted by the Big Bossman   (whatculture.com ) divider line
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2014-04-03 10:31:37 AM  
With deepest regrets, and tears that are soaked...
 
2014-04-03 10:45:46 AM  
Much like Kurt Angle's posturing a few years ago (he wanted to fight then LHW champ Chuck Liddel) this reeked of desperate AWing. There is no way 'Taker would pass any state athletic commission medical screening (much like Angle couldn't).

Say what you will about washed up boxers like Mercer and Toney jobbing for an easy payday at least they stepped in the cage and did the shoot.
 
2014-04-03 11:08:21 AM  

One Bad Apple: Much like Kurt Angle's posturing a few years ago (he wanted to fight then LHW champ Chuck Liddel) this reeked of desperate AWing. There is no way 'Taker would pass any state athletic commission medical screening (much like Angle couldn't).

Say what you will about washed up boxers like Mercer and Toney jobbing for an easy payday at least they stepped in the cage and did the shoot.


You won't find a lot of wrestling fans and UFC fans in the same threads

They are too different.

I don't want sports, really, but I watch wrestling. I dislike the footballs (the American and European kind) and find UFC quite boring. But I loves me my wrestling.

While I find two half-naked sweaty men touching each other to be surprisingly enthralling, the UFC just doesn't have enough of it.
 
2014-04-03 11:36:33 AM  

cman: I don't want sports, really, but I watch wrestling.


So basically you don't watch any sports at all.
 
2014-04-03 11:44:09 AM  
i.ytimg.com
 
2014-04-03 11:47:28 AM  

Neondistraction: cman: I don't want sports, really, but I watch wrestling.

So basically you don't watch any sports at all.


Sports Entertainment does have the word "Sports" in it
 
2014-04-03 11:56:12 AM  
The Undertaker losing at Wrestlemania would ultimately be good for the business, but it would have to be to a very special athlete. Someone truly able to be the franchise. Not necessarily the biggest star at a given moment, but a constant one whose presence cannot be denied.

In other words, they were right not to take him seriously about losing to Lesner.
 
2014-04-03 12:00:31 PM  
WHAT! Next you'll be telling me that the leg drop isn't the most devastating offensive maneuver of all time.
 
2014-04-03 12:27:53 PM  
Gotta love WWE logic: A 50 year old Undertaker, who can barely walk, can beat Brock Lesnar, a former top-tier NCAA wrestling champion, strong as an ox and former UFC HW Champion, and it is realistic, but a guy like Daniel Bryan winning is not realistic.
 
2014-04-03 12:30:07 PM  
Workers actually working people? Huh. Glad I was sitting down for that revelation. What a refreshing change.
 
2014-04-03 12:30:29 PM  
So UFC is as fake as wrestling? :p
 
2014-04-03 12:30:40 PM  

cman: Neondistraction: cman: I don't want sports, really, but I watch wrestling.

So basically you don't watch any sports at all.

Sports Entertainment does have the word "Sports" in it


They can dress it up however they like, but it's not a sport. The outcomes are determined in advance. It doesn't matter who the better athlete is, whoever is better for ratings is who wins. The "rules" are frequently ignored at no consequence, and since the results are determined by a writer there isn't any actual competition. If there's no competition it's not a sport, plain and simple.

I'm not ripping on people that like it, but let's call it what it is: entertainment.
 
2014-04-03 12:31:44 PM  

timswar: The Undertaker losing at Wrestlemania would ultimately be good for the business, but it would have to be to a very special athlete. Someone truly able to be the franchise. Not necessarily the biggest star at a given moment, but a constant one whose presence cannot be denied.


That ship sailed after WM 23 IMHO.  Even if Lesnar wins, it wouldn't have the weight that it did years ago.
 
2014-04-03 12:35:01 PM  

timswar: The Undertaker losing at Wrestlemania would ultimately be good for the business, but it would have to be to a very special athlete. Someone truly able to be the franchise. Not necessarily the biggest star at a given moment, but a constant one whose presence cannot be denied.


But Roman Reigns is up against the Middle-Age Outlaws and Kane.

/the dude seriously needs his title run
 
2014-04-03 12:35:28 PM  

Neondistraction: cman: Neondistraction: cman: I don't want sports, really, but I watch wrestling.

So basically you don't watch any sports at all.

Sports Entertainment does have the word "Sports" in it

They can dress it up however they like, but it's not a sport. The outcomes are determined in advance. It doesn't matter who the better athlete is, whoever is better for ratings is who wins. The "rules" are frequently ignored at no consequence, and since the results are determined by a writer there isn't any actual competition. If there's no competition it's not a sport, plain and simple.

I'm not ripping on people that like it, but let's call it what it is: entertainment.


I like to think of it as Athletic Improv.
 
2014-04-03 01:27:48 PM  
Of course WWE hasn't played up the UFC confrontation, because Taker is supposed to be the dead man who only comes to life as Wrestlemania approaches, not somebody who randomly appears looking like American Badass Undertaker with his wife cleverly placed in the background at a UFC event.  If they're not in total control of it, even if it might be-uh best for business, then they won't run with it.  See also:  Daniel Bryan.
 
2014-04-03 01:30:46 PM  

cman:

You won't find a lot of wrestling fans and UFC fans in the same threads



I lurk in the fWc threads sometimes even though I don't watch wrestling anymore. I was borderline interested when they tried to work in legit looking submissions but knowing how real chokes and jointlocks work kinda' ruins watching the WWE aping them. Bring back Mil Mascaras I say.
 
2014-04-03 02:00:57 PM  

bluorangefyre: Of course WWE hasn't played up the UFC confrontation, because Taker is supposed to be the dead man who only comes to life as Wrestlemania approaches, not somebody who randomly appears looking like American Badass Undertaker with his wife cleverly placed in the background at a UFC event.  If they're not in total control of it, even if it might be-uh best for business, then they won't run with it.  See also:  Daniel Bryan.


You would have a point if the WWE dropped everything they did and put the belt on Undertaker. Undertaker is a legend in wrestling and he is no where near the top. He can come around every WrestleMania or so. He has busted his ass for two decades for that company. He has earned that reward.
 
2014-04-03 02:25:02 PM  
Just like CM Punk's quitting is a work leading to his return and major heel turn at WrestleMania XXX?
 
2014-04-03 03:05:19 PM  
I know who the Undertaker is, but who is Lesner?
 
2014-04-03 03:19:09 PM  

machoprogrammer: Gotta love WWE logic: A 50 year old Undertaker, who can barely walk, can beat Brock Lesnar, a former top-tier NCAA wrestling champion, strong as an ox and former UFC HW Champion, and it is realistic, but a guy like Daniel Bryan winning is not realistic.


Seeing as how UT and DB will win on Sunday, their logic has been corrected.

For a few weeks anyway.

Neondistraction: I'm not ripping on people that like it, but let's call it what it is: entertainment.


Athletic Entertainment just doesn;t have the same buzzword vibe to it.
 
2014-04-03 03:33:33 PM  

Rwa2play: timswar: The Undertaker losing at Wrestlemania would ultimately be good for the business, but it would have to be to a very special athlete. Someone truly able to be the franchise. Not necessarily the biggest star at a given moment, but a constant one whose presence cannot be denied.

That ship sailed after WM 23 IMHO.  Even if Lesnar wins, it wouldn't have the weight that it did years ago.


Makes no sense to have Lesnar end it, but ultimately, Taker should lose to a young guy (who the company strongly feels will stick around.)  Instant credibility, and easy heel heat whenever they want it:  "The only streak that matters is my Wrestlemania streak against the Undertaker:  1-0."
 
2014-04-03 04:23:00 PM  

ToastmasterGeneral: Rwa2play: timswar: The Undertaker losing at Wrestlemania would ultimately be good for the business, but it would have to be to a very special athlete. Someone truly able to be the franchise. Not necessarily the biggest star at a given moment, but a constant one whose presence cannot be denied.

That ship sailed after WM 23 IMHO.  Even if Lesnar wins, it wouldn't have the weight that it did years ago.

Makes no sense to have Lesnar end it, but ultimately, Taker should lose to a young guy (who the company strongly feels will stick around.)  Instant credibility, and easy heel heat whenever they want it:  "The only streak that matters is my Wrestlemania streak against the Undertaker:  1-0."


The streak in general is stupid, imo. It really doesn't matter since it's scripted. It's like Walker, Texas Ranger having a streak of catching the bad guy. Everyone knows it's scripted. It's just a crutch for the WWE Creative now.
 
2014-04-03 04:38:08 PM  
Worked "leak" as a last ditch desperation move to make ANYONE believe that Brock's pinfall attempts have a hope in Hell of ending the match.  Yawn.
 
2014-04-03 04:43:03 PM  

machoprogrammer: ToastmasterGeneral: Rwa2play: timswar: The Undertaker losing at Wrestlemania would ultimately be good for the business, but it would have to be to a very special athlete. Someone truly able to be the franchise. Not necessarily the biggest star at a given moment, but a constant one whose presence cannot be denied.

That ship sailed after WM 23 IMHO.  Even if Lesnar wins, it wouldn't have the weight that it did years ago.

Makes no sense to have Lesnar end it, but ultimately, Taker should lose to a young guy (who the company strongly feels will stick around.)  Instant credibility, and easy heel heat whenever they want it:  "The only streak that matters is my Wrestlemania streak against the Undertaker:  1-0."

The streak in general is stupid, imo. It really doesn't matter since it's scripted. It's like Walker, Texas Ranger having a streak of catching the bad guy. Everyone knows it's scripted. It's just a crutch for the WWE Creative now.


They stumbled into the streak.

When did it become a big deal... WM 20? 21? Some Smark noticed after about 15 years that "hey, The Undertaker has never lost at Wrestlemania!", it gained traction among Smarkdom, and WWE Capitalized on it.

They stumbled ass-backwards into the streak. And it is a drawing point now, when done right.
 
2014-04-03 04:43:54 PM  

machoprogrammer: ToastmasterGeneral: Rwa2play: timswar: The Undertaker losing at Wrestlemania would ultimately be good for the business, but it would have to be to a very special athlete. Someone truly able to be the franchise. Not necessarily the biggest star at a given moment, but a constant one whose presence cannot be denied.

That ship sailed after WM 23 IMHO.  Even if Lesnar wins, it wouldn't have the weight that it did years ago.

Makes no sense to have Lesnar end it, but ultimately, Taker should lose to a young guy (who the company strongly feels will stick around.)  Instant credibility, and easy heel heat whenever they want it:  "The only streak that matters is my Wrestlemania streak against the Undertaker:  1-0."

The streak in general is stupid, imo. It really doesn't matter since it's scripted. It's like Walker, Texas Ranger having a streak of catching the bad guy. Everyone knows it's scripted. It's just a crutch for the WWE Creative now.


The Streak represents loyalty to the company and a mark of excellence at what you do. It's almost a pusedo title at this point. Whoever gets it really needs to be THE guy WWE feels will be around for forever and always give the company whatever he has.
 
2014-04-03 04:44:35 PM  

BATMANATEE: WHAT! Next you'll be telling me that the leg drop isn't the most devastating offensive maneuver of all time.


HE BEAT ANDRE THE GIANT WITH THAT MOVE!
 
2014-04-03 04:46:00 PM  

machoprogrammer: ToastmasterGeneral: Rwa2play: timswar: The Undertaker losing at Wrestlemania would ultimately be good for the business, but it would have to be to a very special athlete. Someone truly able to be the franchise. Not necessarily the biggest star at a given moment, but a constant one whose presence cannot be denied.

That ship sailed after WM 23 IMHO.  Even if Lesnar wins, it wouldn't have the weight that it did years ago.

Makes no sense to have Lesnar end it, but ultimately, Taker should lose to a young guy (who the company strongly feels will stick around.)  Instant credibility, and easy heel heat whenever they want it:  "The only streak that matters is my Wrestlemania streak against the Undertaker:  1-0."

The streak in general is stupid, imo. It really doesn't matter since it's scripted. It's like Walker, Texas Ranger having a streak of catching the bad guy. Everyone knows it's scripted. It's just a crutch for the WWE Creative now.


Well, yeah, that's the same for every championship.  Daniel Bryan's not going to actually win anything, but the fans are going to go apeshiat when the script says that he's the new champ.  It's how they script it that matters.  By making him David against Goliath, there's greater fan interest.

Likewise with Taker's streak, ending him undefeated might seem nice, but doesn't advance any future storyline.  Ending the streak with Brock doesn't put Lesnar any much more over, and whatever it does do only matters for as long as Lesnar stays in the WWE, which can't be that long.  Give it to Zack Ryder and let him run with it for the next decade.
 
2014-04-03 04:47:16 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: They stumbled into the streak.

When did it become a big deal... WM 20? 21? Some Smark noticed after about 15 years that "hey, The Undertaker has never lost at Wrestlemania!", it gained traction among Smarkdom, and WWE Capitalized on it.

They stumbled ass-backwards into the streak. And it is a drawing point now, when done right.


Essentially.  Vince wanted King Kong Bundy to win at WrestleMania XI and only changed his mind a couple days before the event, if I remember the story correctly.  The first event at which the commentators mention The Undertaker is undefeated was WrestleMania XIII, during his title match against Sid, and allegedly somebody in the office just randomly noticed.
 
2014-04-03 06:31:32 PM  
Ending the streak an ideal way to elevate the guy that they see as the future of their company. Brock is a great monster heel but there's no guarantee that he's going to be with the company in 5 years. Someone like Ziggler or DB or Roman Reigns should be the one to do it. Not an already established guy who has never really fully embraced the business.
 
2014-04-03 06:37:32 PM  

Snapper Carr: Ending the streak an ideal way to elevate the guy that they see as the future of their company. Brock is a great monster heel but there's no guarantee that he's going to be with the company in 5 years. Someone like Ziggler or DB or Roman Reigns should be the one to do it. Not an already established guy who has never really fully embraced the business.


There's nobody Vince will ever peg as the future of the company ever again.

Since Rocky (and Austin, to a degree) made it successfully in Hollywood without him, it's all about the WWE Universe, and anyone with a hint of mass appeal gets stomped down.

Look at the handling of Daniel Bryan after Wrestlemania 28. Look at the Summer of Punk II. Look at Zack Ryder. Vince is like a little kid who thinks, THESE ARE MY TOYS, AND I'LL BREAK THEM AND GLUE THEM BACK TOGETHER AS MUCH AS I WANT, DAMMIT. Of course, he doesn't realize that the more he does that, the less people care. And he will NEVER let someone be bigger than the WWE Universe ever again, because Rocky broke his heart.
 
2014-04-03 11:21:28 PM  
There's only one worthy to end "The Streak."

"... from the Harley Races, to the Barry Windhams... to the Ric Flairs..."

"Never mind that shiat, here comes Mongo!"


i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-04 01:46:22 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Snapper Carr: Ending the streak an ideal way to elevate the guy that they see as the future of their company. Brock is a great monster heel but there's no guarantee that he's going to be with the company in 5 years. Someone like Ziggler or DB or Roman Reigns should be the one to do it. Not an already established guy who has never really fully embraced the business.

There's nobody Vince will ever peg as the future of the company ever again.

Since Rocky (and Austin, to a degree) made it successfully in Hollywood without him, it's all about the WWE Universe, and anyone with a hint of mass appeal gets stomped down.

Look at the handling of Daniel Bryan after Wrestlemania 28. Look at the Summer of Punk II. Look at Zack Ryder. Vince is like a little kid who thinks, THESE ARE MY TOYS, AND I'LL BREAK THEM AND GLUE THEM BACK TOGETHER AS MUCH AS I WANT, DAMMIT. Of course, he doesn't realize that the more he does that, the less people care. And he will NEVER let someone be bigger than the WWE Universe ever again, because Rocky broke his heart.


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2014-04-04 02:20:51 AM  

Neondistraction: cman: Neondistraction: cman: I don't want sports, really, but I watch wrestling.

So basically you don't watch any sports at all.

Sports Entertainment does have the word "Sports" in it

They can dress it up however they like, but it's not a sport. The outcomes are determined in advance. It doesn't matter who the better athlete is, whoever is better for ratings is who wins. The "rules" are frequently ignored at no consequence, and since the results are determined by a writer there isn't any actual competition. If there's no competition it's not a sport, plain and simple.

I'm not ripping on people that like it, but let's call it what it is: entertainment.


Kind of like the NBA and NASCAR
 
2014-04-04 09:24:26 AM  

Snapper Carr: Ending the streak an ideal way to elevate the guy that they see as the future of their company. Brock is a great monster heel but there's no guarantee that he's going to be with the company in 5 years. Someone like Ziggler or DB or Roman Reigns should be the one to do it. Not an already established guy who has never really fully embraced the business.


Ziggler is done.  DB doesnt need it.  Reigns may be a good option but I think people are elevating him too quickly.

Also, of course it was a work.  THESE PEOPLE ARE CARNIES!  EVERYTHING IS A WORK!
 
2014-04-04 10:49:48 AM  

machoprogrammer: ToastmasterGeneral: Rwa2play: timswar: The Undertaker losing at Wrestlemania would ultimately be good for the business, but it would have to be to a very special athlete. Someone truly able to be the franchise. Not necessarily the biggest star at a given moment, but a constant one whose presence cannot be denied.

That ship sailed after WM 23 IMHO.  Even if Lesnar wins, it wouldn't have the weight that it did years ago.

Makes no sense to have Lesnar end it, but ultimately, Taker should lose to a young guy (who the company strongly feels will stick around.)  Instant credibility, and easy heel heat whenever they want it:  "The only streak that matters is my Wrestlemania streak against the Undertaker:  1-0."

The streak in general is stupid, imo. It really doesn't matter since it's scripted. It's like Walker, Texas Ranger having a streak of catching the bad guy. Everyone knows it's scripted. It's just a crutch for the WWE Creative now.


The Streak is more over than any title WWE has right now, and is probably their biggest moneymaker compared to the amount of resources needed to promote it.

And since wrestling is about drawing money, the Streak is certainly not stupid.
 
2014-04-04 11:00:54 AM  

JuicePats: The Streak is more over than any title WWE has right now, and is probably their biggest moneymaker compared to the amount of resources needed to promote it.

And since wrestling is about drawing money, the Streak is certainly not stupid.


The build for this year sucked ass and I think the juice surrounding The Streak is almost gone.  You are right though.
 
2014-04-04 11:30:00 AM  

Gunny Highway: JuicePats: The Streak is more over than any title WWE has right now, and is probably their biggest moneymaker compared to the amount of resources needed to promote it.

And since wrestling is about drawing money, the Streak is certainly not stupid.

The build for this year sucked ass and I think the juice surrounding The Streak is almost gone.  You are right though.


Agreed on all points.

For the first time since maybe WM23, Taker probably wont have the best match on the show.
 
2014-04-04 06:28:43 PM  

Gunny Highway: JuicePats: The Streak is more over than any title WWE has right now, and is probably their biggest moneymaker compared to the amount of resources needed to promote it.

And since wrestling is about drawing money, the Streak is certainly not stupid.

The build for this year sucked ass and I think the juice surrounding The Streak is almost gone.  You are right though.


Sad as it is to say, I think Triple H buried the streak.

Paul Bearer had to die to make WM 29 mean something. And he could only die once, so WM 30 has been pretty well meaningless.
 
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