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(International Business Times)   What happens when you are living in space with astronauts from a country that your country isn't speaking to? We're about to find out   (ibtimes.co.uk) divider line 57
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2014-04-03 10:36:08 AM
You get along and do your job to the best of your ability?


You're in space thousands of miles away from the earth's surface with a few inches of man made material between you and a horrible death, I really don't think you're going to let nationalism or patriotism mess with you too badly.
 
2014-04-03 10:53:09 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You get along and do your job to the best of your ability?


That's not what I learned from MTV.
 
2014-04-03 10:59:14 AM
"This has been a top priority of the Obama Administration's for the past five years, and had our plan been fully funded, we would have returned American human spaceflight launches - and the jobs they support - back to the United States next year.

With the reduced level of funding approved by Congress, we're now looking at launching from U.S. soil in 2017.



And yet, somehow Obama's the one that wants to "kill manned spaceflight."
 
2014-04-03 10:59:32 AM
I did some computer modeling of returning an astronaut to Earth without the Soyuz.


i181.photobucket.com

The results look less than promising.
 
2014-04-03 11:23:42 AM
Watch 2010.
 
2014-04-03 11:39:55 AM

Riche: I did some computer modeling of returning an astronaut to Earth without the Soyuz.


[i181.photobucket.com image 360x288]

The results look less than promising.


MOOSE
upload.wikimedia.org

Paracone:

www.astronautix.com
 
2014-04-03 11:53:45 AM

dittybopper: Riche: I did some computer modeling of returning an astronaut to Earth without the Soyuz.


[i181.photobucket.com image 360x288]

The results look less than promising.

MOOSE
[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x461]

Paracone:

[www.astronautix.com image 240x310]


Yeah, good luck trying to get the several billion from Congress to get it developed.

...Or, instead of going through Boeing, are you talking about something we knock together over a weekend with some automotive fiberglass, "Great Stuff" foam, a few rolls of duct tape, some other odds and ends laying about, and several cases of beer?

OK but you bring the beer.  I have everything else at the shop.


Also, the Mrs. said I don't get to be the one to test it out.  Damn.
 
2014-04-03 11:54:34 AM

Chris Ween: Watch 2010.


scienceblogs.com
 
2014-04-03 11:57:10 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You get along and do your job to the best of your ability?


This.  As an engineer for a supplier I had to work with competitors that split the OEM's market share with us, meaning A) if they were too successful theoretically my job was in danger, and B) our parts often had to work together.

B won out every time.  I wanted to be home before 10PM and all too often didn't even get out that early.  I knew damn well the other guy felt the same way.  The rivalry as played up by the managers and OEM was practically a running joke.
 
2014-04-03 11:59:51 AM
This just in, most people don't give a shiat about the dick waiving their 'betters' are doing at their expense.
 
2014-04-03 12:01:22 PM
I wil imagine its like when my roomate is mad at me for not being her personal servant. A lot of dirty looks until she needs something done she cant do for herself.
 
2014-04-03 12:11:47 PM

Chris Ween: Watch 2010.



Yeah, All we have to do is turn Jupiter into another sun...

====================================================

Damn that movie pissed me off.  The editors just couldn't bring themselves to assume the audience was intelligent and thoughtful, like 2001 did.

From the end result it seemed clear to me the screenwriters and director had read the novel, worked with Clarke on the adaptation, and really wanted that but it all got farked up in editing.

Even now, I bet the movie could be re-edited into another (less-than-perfect) masterpiece, like 2001, especially if all the raw footage had been somehow saved.

It's...It's.... like somebody scraped the face off the painting "The Scream" and drew on a happy face with a Sharpie.

GAAAA! Now I'm all pissed off again.


/2030 and 2100 were damn good novels too-- but then I'm just a Clarke/Asimov nerd.
 
2014-04-03 12:14:38 PM
They will probably get along fine if they just don't answer the phone.
 
2014-04-03 12:16:46 PM
I heard that a knife fight broke out after a very heated back and forth of Putin Rules vs Obama Rules.  If you think this is bad you should see what happends up there during the World Cup.
 
2014-04-03 12:23:48 PM
Not even going to read the article. The purpose of the ISS is to foster a learning environment, devoid from international politics whenever possible. The biggest problem I see is getting our astronauts to and from the station, since we're using the Soyuz trips for that.

Is that pretty much what the article said?
 
2014-04-03 12:25:09 PM

dittybopper: Riche: I did some computer modeling of returning an astronaut to Earth without the Soyuz.


[i181.photobucket.com image 360x288]

The results look less than promising.

MOOSE
[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x461]

Paracone:

[www.astronautix.com image 240x310]


Yeah, I never look like that when my foaming is complete...
 
2014-04-03 12:31:06 PM
thamike [TotalFark]
2014-04-03 10:59:14 AM


"This has been a top priority of the Obama Administration's for the past five years, and had our plan been fully funded, we would have returned American human spaceflight launches - and the jobs they support - back to the United States next year.

With the reduced level of funding approved by Congress, we're now looking at launching from U.S. soil in 2017.


And yet, somehow Obama's the one that wants to "kill manned spaceflight."

So as expected. This didn't go green till zero got his talking points out there and the libtards could echo them.

Ignore the fact that obama canceled the human lifter program just echo the talking points. That'll win the debate!
 
2014-04-03 12:48:24 PM

Riche: I did some computer modeling of returning an astronaut to Earth without the Soyuz.


[i181.photobucket.com image 360x288]

The results look less than promising.


Poor Jeb.

You Farkers got me involved in this game, and now Kerbal's airspace resounds with the explosions of Stayputniks...
 
2014-04-03 12:49:03 PM

Riche: Yeah, good luck trying to get the several billion from Congress to get it developed.

...Or, instead of going through Boeing, are you talking about something we knock together over a weekend with some automotive fiberglass, "Great Stuff" foam, a few rolls of duct tape, some other odds and ends laying about, and several cases of beer?

OK but you bring the beer.  I have everything else at the shop.


Also, the Mrs. said I don't get to be the one to test it out.  Damn.


We'll test it out with the family pets first.
 
2014-04-03 12:49:52 PM

Riche: I did some computer modeling of returning an astronaut to Earth without the Soyuz.


[i181.photobucket.com image 360x288]

The results look less than promising.


and I am SO stealing that .gif.
 
2014-04-03 12:50:19 PM
Riche [TotalFark]

Yeah, good luck trying to get the several billion from Congress to get it developed.

Republican Congressman offers bill to forestall obama's cancellation of Orion, Space Launch System
While the government rarely terminates contracts for its own convenience, Congress is still smarting about the Obama administration's abrupt cancellation of the Constellation program



Senators to NASA: Get your ass to Mars
A Senate science subcommittee clashed with NASA Administrator Charles Bolden over President Barack Obama's proposed 2011 budget, which effectively kills the previous administration's goal of returning to the Moon and onto Mars.



planetary scientists rail against obama nasa cutbacks


Obama Calls for End to NASA's Moon Program[/url
 
2014-04-03 12:55:46 PM
 
2014-04-03 01:01:31 PM
Something... wonderful.
 
2014-04-03 01:07:06 PM

OnlyM3: So as expected. This didn't go green till zero got his talking points out there and the libtards could echo them.Ignore the fact that obama canceled the human lifter program just echo the talking points. That'll win the debate!


Well, aren't you adorable!

Considering that Bush canceled the shuttle (which was a good idea) you can't be talking about that. Maybe you are talking about Obama canceling the Ares program which was a program that started under the Bush administration that wasn't funded by congress. That's one of the few things that actually wasn't Bush's fault, but I don't really consider canceling an unfunded program to be Obama's fault either. Congress can be a bunch of idiots. Even if that hadn't been the case, Ares most likely wouldn't be getting made any faster than the SLS, so it's kind of pointless to bring it up.

CCDev on the other hand is getting done much faster even though it's under funded & CCDev is the Obama administrations baby.

What should have happened? CCDev should have started in 2003 (post Columbia) before the shuttles retirement and instead of the JWST money pit. Hindsight is 20/20.
 
2014-04-03 01:07:13 PM

OnlyM3: thamike [TotalFark]
2014-04-03 10:59:14 AM


"This has been a top priority of the Obama Administration's for the past five years, and had our plan been fully funded, we would have returned American human spaceflight launches - and the jobs they support - back to the United States next year.

With the reduced level of funding approved by Congress, we're now looking at launching from U.S. soil in 2017.


And yet, somehow Obama's the one that wants to "kill manned spaceflight."
So as expected. This didn't go green till zero got his talking points out there and the libtards could echo them.

Ignore the fact that obama canceled the human lifter program just echo the talking points. That'll win the debate!


The way you blindly echo GOP ones?

Pot meet kettle, idiot
 
2014-04-03 01:24:38 PM
Stop slowing down science with your petty squabbling.
The dark ages already did more than enough damage.
 
2014-04-03 01:53:52 PM

Mikey1969: Not even going to read the article. The purpose of the ISS is to foster a learning environment, devoid from international politics whenever possible. The biggest problem I see is getting our astronauts to and from the station, since we're using the Soyuz trips for that.

Is that pretty much what the article said?


Yes, we kinda don't like the idea of sending millions of dollars to Russia right now.
 
2014-04-03 02:05:58 PM

thamike: "This has been a top priority of the Obama Administration's for the past five years, and had our plan been fully funded, we would have returned American human spaceflight launches - and the jobs they support - back to the United States next year.

With the reduced level of funding approved by Congress, we're now looking at launching from U.S. soil in 2017.


And yet, somehow Obama's the one that wants to "kill manned spaceflight."


Didnt he sign an EO telling NASA to concentrate on global warming.
 
2014-04-03 02:11:07 PM
I'm guessing it looks something like this:
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2014-04-03 02:12:33 PM
not amused by DokTor FloyD's shenanigans

outlandinstitute.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-03 02:13:07 PM

wildstarr: Mikey1969: Not even going to read the article. The purpose of the ISS is to foster a learning environment, devoid from international politics whenever possible. The biggest problem I see is getting our astronauts to and from the station, since we're using the Soyuz trips for that.

Is that pretty much what the article said?

Yes, we kinda don't like the idea of sending millions of dollars to Russia right now.


Yeah, in hindsight, grounding our space program and focusing on probes and rovers wasn't the best idea... Well, in foresight, it wasn't a good idea, either.
 
2014-04-03 02:21:36 PM

BalugaJoe: Chris Ween: Watch 2010.

[scienceblogs.com image 590x238]



Yeah, there's that, but is anyone really going to take instructions from Alien Overlords who don't know how to find their Caps Lock key?
 
2014-04-03 02:23:21 PM
I'm sorry, can you see the lines of countries from space?

Whatever jerk shut down most of the joint work between NASA and the Russian space agency needs to be punched square in the face. If multiple people are responsible, line them up, and smack them all in their faces.

wildstarr: Mikey1969: Not even going to read the article. The purpose of the ISS is to foster a learning environment, devoid from international politics whenever possible. The biggest problem I see is getting our astronauts to and from the station, since we're using the Soyuz trips for that.

Is that pretty much what the article said?

Yes, we kinda don't like the idea of sending millions of dollars to Russia right now.


So, due to politics, NASA should be spending money reinventing the wheel all on its own instead of working with the Russian space agency to improve current designs, instead of putting that money into other R&D sectors they might want to work on?

Seriously, every time some loon suggests cutting ties between space and other peaceful science agencies working together because of politics, they should be brought out and beaten with twigs until they get the message. Bunch of dick waving assholes slowing down progress...
 
2014-04-03 02:34:14 PM

dittybopper: Paracone:


Holy shiat, that's an equally cool and terrifying re-entry system.
 
2014-04-03 02:37:05 PM

OnlyM3: thamike [TotalFark]
2014-04-03 10:59:14 AM


"This has been a top priority of the Obama Administration's for the past five years, and had our plan been fully funded, we would have returned American human spaceflight launches - and the jobs they support - back to the United States next year.

With the reduced level of funding approved by Congress, we're now looking at launching from U.S. soil in 2017.


And yet, somehow Obama's the one that wants to "kill manned spaceflight."
So as expected. This didn't go green till zero got his talking points out there and the libtards could echo them.

Ignore the fact that obama canceled the human lifter program just echo the talking points. That'll win the debate!


And the whine was delicious.

Delicious again, Peter.
 
2014-04-03 02:37:26 PM
I'd just tape out a line down the middle of the ISS and tell the Russians to stay on their own side "or else".
 
2014-04-03 02:46:16 PM

dragonchild: The Stealth Hippopotamus: You get along and do your job to the best of your ability?

This.  As an engineer for a supplier I had to work with competitors that split the OEM's market share with us, meaning A) if they were too successful theoretically my job was in danger, and B) our parts often had to work together.

B won out every time.  I wanted to be home before 10PM and all too often didn't even get out that early.  I knew damn well the other guy felt the same way.  The rivalry as played up by the managers and OEM was practically a running joke.


And essentially that's what this is, in the past few years we've been sharing technical knowledge with them without much concern. The managers are now fighting and have told you not to share any technical knowledge. These unfortunately is a project in the middle of shipping, and you'll continue sharing as much knowledge as necessarily to finish that project, but aside from that you aren't going to be quite so loose with your information.
 
2014-04-03 02:53:48 PM

wildstarr: Mikey1969: Not even going to read the article. The purpose of the ISS is to foster a learning environment, devoid from international politics whenever possible. The biggest problem I see is getting our astronauts to and from the station, since we're using the Soyuz trips for that.

Is that pretty much what the article said?

Yes, we kinda don't like the idea of sending millions of dollars to Russia right now.


I think our best bet at this point is to hurry up and get the damn Dragon Rider certified.

We should also think long and hard about the fact that we launch our spy satellites using a rocket that is propelled by a Russian engine.
 
2014-04-03 03:07:57 PM
The awkward feeling you get when realizing your boss is sending angry memos to the nation in which you'll be landing soon... Must be pretty unique.

/and here I was thinking we'd avoid a shooting war.
 
2014-04-03 03:08:07 PM

Z-clipped: dittybopper: Paracone:

Holy shiat, that's an equally cool and terrifying re-entry system.


They did the math, and figured that the existing space suits could handle the excess heat that would get radiated back on the astronaut.

I could see that being an extreme sport in a hundred or so years.
 
2014-04-03 04:14:25 PM
As easy as cake no?
lh6.ggpht.com
 
2014-04-03 04:26:43 PM

wxboy: I'd just tape out a line down the middle of the ISS and tell the Russians to stay on their own side "or else".


Yeah but then no vodka.
 
2014-04-03 04:30:01 PM

dittybopper: Z-clipped: dittybopper: Paracone:

Holy shiat, that's an equally cool and terrifying re-entry system.

They did the math, and figured that the existing space suits could handle the excess heat that would get radiated back on the astronaut.

I could see that being an extreme sport in a hundred or so years.


I'd wager its more like ten to twenty, since companies like Orbital Outfitters have said they want to build suits for the job and NASA has already been testing inflatable shields.

img.fark.net

While it would be convenient for present day politics, being able to bail out of all those new commercial spaceships would be a handy feature.
The extreme sports guys will figure it out soon enough.
 
2014-04-03 05:49:00 PM

Hollie Maea: wildstarr: Mikey1969: Not even going to read the article. The purpose of the ISS is to foster a learning environment, devoid from international politics whenever possible. The biggest problem I see is getting our astronauts to and from the station, since we're using the Soyuz trips for that.

Is that pretty much what the article said?

Yes, we kinda don't like the idea of sending millions of dollars to Russia right now.

I think our best bet at this point is to hurry up and get the damn Dragon Rider certified.

We should also think long and hard about the fact that we launch our spy satellites using a rocket that is propelled by a Russian engine.


Not to worry; there's a rumor that Russia isn't going to sell us any more RD-180s anyway.

ULA said that they have a two year supply of them currently available & they have what is basically a 5 year monopoly on military launches. Do the math on that. ULA says they have the blue prints and are pretty sure they can build there own(?). Last time I check, ULA took 2 years to tire their shoes.

I have a funny feeling Elon is going to be rolling in Dragon development money very soon.
 
2014-04-03 05:50:57 PM
mokinokaro
2014-04-03 01:07:13 PM

OnlyM3: thamike [TotalFark]
2014-04-03 10:59:14 AM


"This has been a top priority of the Obama Administration's for the past five years, and had our plan been fully funded, we would have returned American human spaceflight launches - and the jobs they support - back to the United States next year.

With the reduced level of funding approved by Congress, we're now looking at launching from U.S. soil in 2017.


And yet, somehow Obama's the one that wants to "kill manned spaceflight."
So as expected. This didn't go green till zero got his talking points out there and the libtards could echo them.

Ignore the fact that obama canceled the human lifter program just echo the talking points. That'll win the debate!

The way you blindly echo GOP ones?
Seeing that I don't support the GOP that's quite the lie you're trying to pass off. It was a nice try to distract from zero's habitual failure, but it failed.

idiot
Personal attacks are allowed by mods as long as they're insulting folks who disagree with zero.
 
2014-04-03 06:15:40 PM
Another interesting twist is that both the Boeing's CST-100 and SN's Dream Chaser are both supposed to launch on an Atlas V. The only crewed spacecraft being developed that doesn't depend on Russian engines is SpaceX's Dragon Rider.

Currently the only two US launchers resupplying Station are the SpaceX's Falcon 9 and Orbital's Antares and the Antares uses Russian built NK-33 engines (literally spare engines from Russia's failed moon shot from the 1960s).

Gwen Shotwell said that SpaceX could knock out 40 cores annually. They may end up doing that earlier than expected.
 
2014-04-03 06:25:42 PM
Oh yeah; I forgot about Orion. Supposedly that one will be ready for an unmanned test launch this year. I think that launch is supposed to use an all American Delta 4. I don't even want to look at the price tag on that setup.
 
2014-04-03 07:02:08 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You get along and do your job to the best of your ability?


You're in space thousands of miles away from the earth's surface with a few inches of man made material between you and a horrible death, I really don't think you're going to let nationalism or patriotism mess with you too badly.



THOUSANDS of miles? Really?
 
2014-04-03 09:00:27 PM

kertus: THOUSANDS of miles? Really?


From a survivability standpoint, the difference between 250 miles and 2000 miles of hard vacuum is not really all that important.
 
2014-04-03 10:24:45 PM

way south: The extreme sports guys will figure it out soon enough.


This flaming re-entry has been brought to you by RedBull - it gives you Wings
 
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