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2014-04-03 08:21:22 AM
What I don't get about Conservatives #3527:

They argue again and again that this country is going into the shiatter and that the government is increasingly tyrannical (e.g. It persecutes Christians!) Yet when a study comes out showing that the US is not the "best" country in the world according to some metric, they almost always react defensively with their "best country in the world" claptrap. If they were at all consistent, one would expect them to embrace it as evidence for their viewpoint.

/OK, I do get it. Conservatives and cognitive dissonance go together like white on rice.
 
2014-04-03 08:24:42 AM

eiger: What I don't get about Conservatives #3527:

They argue again and again that this country is going into the shiatter and that the government is increasingly tyrannical (e.g. It persecutes Christians!) Yet when a study comes out showing that the US is not the "best" country in the world according to some metric, they almost always react defensively with their "best country in the world" claptrap. If they were at all consistent, one would expect them to embrace it as evidence for their viewpoint.

/OK, I do get it. Conservatives and cognitive dissonance go together like white on rice.


People base their opinions on biases and use facts that agree with them and disregard those that do not

Its not just conservatives that do that. It is human nature.

Read: The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt
 
2014-04-03 08:28:18 AM
The US didn't score "low", it's just that other countries scored higher.

The chart still says the US is a pretty damn nice place to live compared to almost anywhere else on earth, but for a lot of folks the idea that USA = #1 is deeply ingrained in them and they get upset when they find out that people might have it better elsewhere.
 
2014-04-03 08:30:13 AM

cman: eiger: What I don't get about Conservatives #3527:

They argue again and again that this country is going into the shiatter and that the government is increasingly tyrannical (e.g. It persecutes Christians!) Yet when a study comes out showing that the US is not the "best" country in the world according to some metric, they almost always react defensively with their "best country in the world" claptrap. If they were at all consistent, one would expect them to embrace it as evidence for their viewpoint.

/OK, I do get it. Conservatives and cognitive dissonance go together like white on rice.

People base their opinions on biases and use facts that agree with them and disregard those that do not

Its not just conservatives that do that. It is human nature.

Read: The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt


Humans are biased? Thanks. I never realized that before. Next you'll tell me that humans tend to be selfish.

Obviously people are biased. That said, I would argue that while bias is universal, embracing self-evident contradictions is not. From my observations, certain personality types and ideological alignments feel more comfortable with holding two contradictory ideas than do others. This is far from a left-right thing. However, in the modern US, the right seems to be almost dominated by this mode of thinking. Whereas, on the left, it is less common.
 
2014-04-03 08:30:56 AM
A number of the top placers are fairly rigid and monochromatic societies with healthy economies.
Considering our current situation, I'd say our position isn't something to be ashamed of.
 
2014-04-03 08:32:50 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: sithon: The PRK is higher in most metrics than the USA ? Something wrong there.

1. PRK is not on the list.
2. Korea, Republic of (South Korea) scores lower than the US on 2 out of 3 metrics, which is not "most"

Nice try.  Do you work for the GOP as a statistics unskewer?  If not, you should apply.

That said, my country outranks the US.  Which is why I'm here - the USA is no longer the Land of Opportunity and is on its way, I fear, to being a second-tier nation.  Perhaps third tier within my lifetime, if the GOP/ Tea Party keep it up.


You seem to have a good hate-on for the US. Instead of trying to make it better, you ran to Canada and instantly claim it as "your" country. Not everyone can have that ability to jump ship.
 
2014-04-03 08:33:09 AM
Who cares.  We're still God's favorite country - or will be once we get that Kenyan Usurper out of office and replace him with a God-fearing Tea Party Patriot.
 
2014-04-03 08:33:57 AM
We need to build some monuments, opera houses and museums and get started on some world wonders.  The cultural victory is pretty much the easiest.
 
2014-04-03 08:35:13 AM

eiger: cman: eiger: What I don't get about Conservatives #3527:

They argue again and again that this country is going into the shiatter and that the government is increasingly tyrannical (e.g. It persecutes Christians!) Yet when a study comes out showing that the US is not the "best" country in the world according to some metric, they almost always react defensively with their "best country in the world" claptrap. If they were at all consistent, one would expect them to embrace it as evidence for their viewpoint.

/OK, I do get it. Conservatives and cognitive dissonance go together like white on rice.

People base their opinions on biases and use facts that agree with them and disregard those that do not

Its not just conservatives that do that. It is human nature.

Read: The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt

Humans are biased? Thanks. I never realized that before. Next you'll tell me that humans tend to be selfish.

Obviously people are biased. That said, I would argue that while bias is universal, embracing self-evident contradictions is not. From my observations, certain personality types and ideological alignments feel more comfortable with holding two contradictory ideas than do others. This is far from a left-right thing. However, in the modern US, the right seems to be almost dominated by this mode of thinking. Whereas, on the left, it is less common.


As I said, read that book and you will understand. The man who wrote it was/is a very big lefty so you will not find anything wrong with his views. He goes on into his book on psychology and politics and how we humans are driven to be moralistic and not rational.

I am not smart enough to explain it, but he sure as hell does a good job at it. I cannot answer your question because I am not a psychologist. He is, and by the time you have read that book, you should have a better understanding of Republican mindsets.
 
2014-04-03 08:38:39 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: Yeah, well we have a little thing here called "freedom".  It means we don't need the government to look after our "social progress", whatever that means lol.  If you like those other coutnries so much MOVE THERE!!!! And take Obama with you!


I did.  I make more, I have more opportunity, I have health care guaranteed, I can marry whom I choose, and I don't have to put up with things like a full governmental shutdown because some Congressmen decided to throw a collective tantrum.

I know it was a troll (2/10, by the way), but there's a reason the US should stop making that argument.  Lots of people are indeed moving away, and are renouncing their US citizenship in larger numbers, too.
 
2014-04-03 08:42:05 AM

phrawgh: We can carry on for quite a bit yet, even if we revert to 100% bible learnin'. As long as the soulless, godless corporations, and their atheist minions, keep building and maintaining the tools.

/Most -10 manuals are written at a 6th grade level


Statistically speaking, most people have between an 80 and 120 IQ(ish).  The world needs them to be able to function, to do their jobs, to handle living in a society.  So the world is built in such a way that an 80 IQ can get along just fine, despite the obvious drawback of that not being the smartest or most efficient way of functioning.
 
2014-04-03 08:42:41 AM
I think we got screwed on the "political terror" score. Sure, we still have unlimited detention, but it isn't supposed to be for "political views". Also, I wouldn't say that it is widely accepted either.

Actually, it is an interesting question. When we are out of Afghanistan, are we still going to hold the guys at Guantanamo? Since they are held as part of some ill-defined "forever war", I suspect they are just there till they die. It seems unlikely that we will get a majority of politicians who are going to take a stand.
 
2014-04-03 08:42:44 AM

way south: A number of the top placers are fairly rigid and monochromatic societies with healthy economies.
Considering our current situation, I'd say our position isn't something to be ashamed of.


From what I can find, the US and UK place pretty low among developed nations for social mobility. The Netherlands are still about 80% Dutch (and to be honest, are having real problems right now figuring out what it means to be 'Dutch' and how to separate that out from just being white).
 
2014-04-03 08:43:13 AM

eiger: Humans are biased? Thanks. I never realized that before. Next you'll tell me that humans tend to be selfish.


This is why we can't allow a technological solution to global warming. It would allow humans to escape doom while keeping their disgusting human nature, and we enlightened superiors would lose possibly our last change to force all you conservatives to change.

/reality has a liberal nature
//that's why all the laws of conservation need to be renamed laws of liberation
 
2014-04-03 08:44:30 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Rev. Skarekroe: Yeah, well we have a little thing here called "freedom".  It means we don't need the government to look after our "social progress", whatever that means lol.  If you like those other coutnries so much MOVE THERE!!!! And take Obama with you!

I did.  I make more, I have more opportunity, I have health care guaranteed, I can marry whom I choose, and I don't have to put up with things like a full governmental shutdown because some Congressmen decided to throw a collective tantrum.

I know it was a troll (2/10, by the way), but there's a reason the US should stop making that argument.  Lots of people are indeed moving away, and are renouncing their US citizenship in larger numbers, too.


Yup. Moved here in 1994 for a two year contract. The SEC is such a pain in the ass that I'm finally getting close to renouncing my US citizenship...
 
2014-04-03 08:45:33 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Rev. Skarekroe: Yeah, well we have a little thing here called "freedom".  It means we don't need the government to look after our "social progress", whatever that means lol.  If you like those other coutnries so much MOVE THERE!!!! And take Obama with you!

I did.  I make more, I have more opportunity, I have health care guaranteed, I can marry whom I choose, and I don't have to put up with things like a full governmental shutdown because some Congressmen decided to throw a collective tantrum.

I know it was a troll (2/10, by the way), but there's a reason the US should stop making that argument.  Lots of people are indeed moving away, and are renouncing their US citizenship in larger numbers, too.


Gainsaying ones citizenship is probably not the best way to change the system. Its a form of protest sure but you cannot change the system if you do not participate. To think that the system is rigid and unchangeable is ludicrous. Societies change. The trend is that gay marriage will be legal in all states soon enough. It will take time but it will happen.
 
2014-04-03 08:46:13 AM

Tatterdemalian: This is why we can't allow a technological solution to global warming. It would allow humans to escape doom while keeping their disgusting human nature, and we enlightened superiors would lose possibly our last change to force all you conservatives to change.

/reality has a liberal nature
//that's why all the laws of conservation need to be renamed laws of liberation


7/10 - Worthwhile effort.
 
2014-04-03 08:48:02 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: I know it was a troll (2/10, by the way), but there's a reason the US should stop making that argument. Lots of people are indeed moving away, and are renouncing their US citizenship in larger numbers, too.


Yup. Lots of expats here in Latin America and I know of a few families who have made their homes in New Zealand. Their values changed and the US no longer represented those values.
 
2014-04-03 08:49:02 AM
Oh no, the US rates low on a subjective index.  How can we fix this ASAP?
 
2014-04-03 08:51:21 AM
"social progress" as defined by "social progressives"

/people who agree with us are good
//people who disagree with us are bad
///it must be true, I made a chart.
 
2014-04-03 08:51:37 AM

whosits_112: Benevolent Misanthrope: sithon: The PRK is higher in most metrics than the USA ? Something wrong there.

1. PRK is not on the list.
2. Korea, Republic of (South Korea) scores lower than the US on 2 out of 3 metrics, which is not "most"

Nice try.  Do you work for the GOP as a statistics unskewer?  If not, you should apply.

That said, my country outranks the US.  Which is why I'm here - the USA is no longer the Land of Opportunity and is on its way, I fear, to being a second-tier nation.  Perhaps third tier within my lifetime, if the GOP/ Tea Party keep it up.

You seem to have a good hate-on for the US. Instead of trying to make it better, you ran to Canada and instantly claim it as "your" country. Not everyone can have that ability to jump ship.


No, actually, I came to Canada for a job opportunity - because in the US, libraries are being cut left right and center. It's part of the rightward-moving culture of anti-intellectualism.  But rather than sitting on my fat ass complaining about my lot in life, I chose to do something about it.  Once I was out of the standard US masturbatory haze I realized that the US is not all I was told it was cracked up to be.  Other countries are indeed better.

It saddens me deeply that my birth country is being farked up by an entity so vapid and clueless as the Tea Party and a weak Democratic Party that keeps trying to make them see reason.  It worries me that the US is declining more and more each day.  But the market has shifted.  It's global now.  I have the freedom to put my skills on the market in places where they are appreciated, wanted, and, yes, fairly compensated.

No one in Canada has ever objected to my calling my country of residence "my country", by the way.  That's how it works here.  So get over your jingoistic self.
 
2014-04-03 08:53:37 AM
Well done New Zealand.
 
2014-04-03 08:54:17 AM
 
2014-04-03 08:55:03 AM

Tellurianix: Ha, the top six nations Opportunity/Performance are ex-British Empire.

YOU'RE WELCOME.


Operative term is EX.
 
2014-04-03 08:56:23 AM

pedrop357: Oh no, the US rates low on a subjective index.  How can we fix this ASAP?


Realize that the American Dream is less true now than it's been in a long time, realize that American exceptionalism is complete bull, and start looking beyond the borders for good ideas.
 
2014-04-03 08:56:26 AM

nickdaisy: Complete rubbish based on the notion that only states can impart progress. Countries like Niger and Mozambique score high because their impotent lawmaking bodies pass cookie cutter, UN-approved legislation that's never actually enforced.

This is a wonderful indication of why one should look skeptically at any study that suggests the USA is less than progressive. We've never been a tyrannical state that rams supposed social progress own peoples' throats (well, until recently).


Rule one of being a long surviving and praised dictator is mouthing all the progressive ideals despite having every citizen in the noose of your police state. Thus, the 5 African dictators Clinton praised as "the new class".
 
2014-04-03 08:57:58 AM

whosits_112: You seem to have a good hate-on for the US. Instead of trying to make it better, you ran to Canada and instantly claim it as "your" country. Not everyone can have that ability to jump ship.


Yeah, s/he does get pretty damn annoying about that from time to time.
 
2014-04-03 08:58:12 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: No, actually, I came to Canada for a job opportunity - because in the US, libraries are being cut left right and center. It's part of the rightward-moving culture of anti-intellectualism. But rather than sitting on my fat ass complaining about my lot in life, I chose to do something about it. Once I was out of the standard US masturbatory haze I realized that the US is not all I was told it was cracked up to be. Other countries are indeed better.

It saddens me deeply that my birth country is being farked up by an entity so vapid and clueless as the Tea Party and a weak Democratic Party that keeps trying to make them see reason. It worries me that the US is declining more and more each day. But the market has shifted. It's global now. I have the freedom to put my skills on the market in places where they are appreciated, wanted, and, yes, fairly compensated.

No one in Canada has ever objected to my calling my country of residence "my country", by the way. That's how it works here. So get over your jingoistic self.


Takes some cajones to make the move, so you get applause from me on that.

It saddens me, as well, to see the US turning into what it's turning into. I, however, can't sit here and blame parties too much. I think both parties serve the same machine and are, collectively, getting away with some outrageous shiate. The people arguing amongst themselves only serve as a benefit to the mess in DC.
 
2014-04-03 08:58:14 AM

cman: Gainsaying ones citizenship is probably not the best way to change the system. Its a form of protest sure but you cannot change the system if you do not participate.


The US makes it an expensive pain in the ass for its citizens to live overseas.

With various tax and financial regulation reporting rules Americans living overseas can find it difficult to even open a bank account. They can also expect complicated IRS filings that an accountant will charge them thousands of dollars each year to complete, unless they want to have a go themselves and risk serious penalties if they misunderstand reporting requirements or how to fill out forms.

If someone's overseas stay is going to be long and of indefinite length then I can see why they would seriously consider cutting the cord and making their stay permanent rather than hang onto US citizenship.
 
2014-04-03 08:58:37 AM

eiger: What I don't get about Conservatives #3527:

They argue again and again that this country is going into the shiatter and that the government is increasingly tyrannical (e.g. It persecutes Christians!) Yet when a study comes out showing that the US is not the "best" country in the world according to some metric, they almost always react defensively with their "best country in the world" claptrap. If they were at all consistent, one would expect them to embrace it as evidence for their viewpoint.

/OK, I do get it. Conservatives and cognitive dissonance go together like white on rice.


Really? You find this difficult?

I'm not saying these are true beliefs (like BM, I moved to Canada and have a positive opinion of the place; unlike BM, I'm not up my own butt about it), but the line of thinking is not hard.

If a country is #1 by a long shot, it can degenerate to a considerable degree and remain #1, as long as it does not fall to the level of #2.
 
2014-04-03 08:58:58 AM

cman: Benevolent Misanthrope: Rev. Skarekroe: Yeah, well we have a little thing here called "freedom".  It means we don't need the government to look after our "social progress", whatever that means lol.  If you like those other coutnries so much MOVE THERE!!!! And take Obama with you!

I did.  I make more, I have more opportunity, I have health care guaranteed, I can marry whom I choose, and I don't have to put up with things like a full governmental shutdown because some Congressmen decided to throw a collective tantrum.

I know it was a troll (2/10, by the way), but there's a reason the US should stop making that argument.  Lots of people are indeed moving away, and are renouncing their US citizenship in larger numbers, too.

Gainsaying ones citizenship is probably not the best way to change the system. Its a form of protest sure but you cannot change the system if you do not participate. To think that the system is rigid and unchangeable is ludicrous. Societies change. The trend is that gay marriage will be legal in all states soon enough. It will take time but it will happen.


You misunderstand.  It's not a protest.  The US is the only nation that requires expats who earned no money in the US to pay income tax.  Yes, there are treaties that are supposed to ensure you don't get taxed twice - but the US has a cap on how much your foreign tax liability can offset your US tax liability.  And Cthulhu help you if you own American property or securities.  Basically, I'll pay several hundred dollars a year (and up, as the US economy fiddle-farts around and inflation goes north) for the privilege of holding US citizenship.  Again, it's the US mentality of "We're the Bestest EVAR!  You PAY for the privilege!"

Why on earth would someone pay to keep a passport from a nation that they don't live in, if they don't intend to return?  It used to be that American citizenship was a good thing.  Now the State Department tells Americans not to let people know they are American.  What does that tell you about America on the world stage?
 
2014-04-03 09:00:44 AM

dersk: The SEC is such a pain in the ass that I'm finally getting close to renouncing my US citizenship...


I'm curious what it is that you're trying to do that conflicts with the SEC so much...
 
2014-04-03 09:03:10 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Why on earth would someone pay to keep a passport from a nation that they don't live in, if they don't intend to return? It used to be that American citizenship was a good thing. Now the State Department tells Americans not to let people know they are American. What does that tell you about America on the world stage?


Costa Rica - among others - does not issue passports to non-citizens. Not even if you're a permanent resident. We have no choice but to keep our US passports up to date.
 
2014-04-03 09:03:28 AM
Is 16th really that bad? Why do some people think we have to be the best at everything in everybody's opinion. It can't be done and everybody hates that guy anyway.
 
2014-04-03 09:03:51 AM

Alonjar: dersk: The SEC is such a pain in the ass that I'm finally getting close to renouncing my US citizenship...

I'm curious what it is that you're trying to do that conflicts with the SEC so much...


He is a Big 10 fan ...
 
2014-04-03 09:05:00 AM
3. Actionability: the Index aims to be a practical tool that will help leaders and practitioners in government, business and civil society to implement policies and programs that will drive faster social progress.

So dictatorships get a perfect score on this?
 
2014-04-03 09:05:16 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: cman: Benevolent Misanthrope: Rev. Skarekroe: Yeah, well we have a little thing here called "freedom".  It means we don't need the government to look after our "social progress", whatever that means lol.  If you like those other coutnries so much MOVE THERE!!!! And take Obama with you!

I did.  I make more, I have more opportunity, I have health care guaranteed, I can marry whom I choose, and I don't have to put up with things like a full governmental shutdown because some Congressmen decided to throw a collective tantrum.

I know it was a troll (2/10, by the way), but there's a reason the US should stop making that argument.  Lots of people are indeed moving away, and are renouncing their US citizenship in larger numbers, too.

Gainsaying ones citizenship is probably not the best way to change the system. Its a form of protest sure but you cannot change the system if you do not participate. To think that the system is rigid and unchangeable is ludicrous. Societies change. The trend is that gay marriage will be legal in all states soon enough. It will take time but it will happen.

You misunderstand.  It's not a protest.  The US is the only nation that requires expats who earned no money in the US to pay income tax.  Yes, there are treaties that are supposed to ensure you don't get taxed twice - but the US has a cap on how much your foreign tax liability can offset your US tax liability.  And Cthulhu help you if you own American property or securities.  Basically, I'll pay several hundred dollars a year (and up, as the US economy fiddle-farts around and inflation goes north) for the privilege of holding US citizenship.  Again, it's the US mentality of "We're the Bestest EVAR!  You PAY for the privilege!"

Why on earth would someone pay to keep a passport from a nation that they don't live in, if they don't intend to return?  It used to be that American citizenship was a good thing.  Now the State Department tells Americans not to let people know they are American.  ...


The US has been very good to me. I love my country. There are times that it does stupid shiat that does piss me off for sure, but I could never renounce my citizenship. I have always been and will always be loyal to this country. I understand your frustrations with taxation and I understand your point, and you got to do what is best for you. I wouldn't give it up if it were me, but that is just me.
 
2014-04-03 09:05:47 AM

way south: A number of the top placers are fairly rigid and monochromatic societies with healthy economies.
Considering our current situation, I'd say our position isn't something to be ashamed of.


Seriously, tell us more about those filth multi-chromes keeping the monochromatic part of the US down in the ranking!

We should do something to celebrate and promote monochrome culture to combat it. Something visual so people could see the importance of it. Some kind of uniform without color would do nicely... Maybe some hood that covers the face too? I see real potential in such an organization. Who is with Way South and me?
 
2014-04-03 09:05:47 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: You misunderstand. It's not a protest. The US is the only nation that requires expats who earned no money in the US to pay income tax. Yes, there are treaties that are supposed to ensure you don't get taxed twice - but the US has a cap on how much your foreign tax liability can offset your US tax liability. And Cthulhu help you if you own American property or securities. Basically, I'll pay several hundred dollars a year (and up, as the US economy fiddle-farts around and inflation goes north) for the privilege of holding US citizenship. Again, it's the US mentality of "We're the Bestest EVAR! You PAY for the privilege!"

Why on earth would someone pay to keep a passport from a nation that they don't live in, if they don't intend to return? It used to be that American citizenship was a good thing. Now the State Department tells Americans not to let people know they are American. What does that tell you about America on the world stage?


At least you've found a reason to be smugly superior to other people. So, you've got that going for you, which is nice.
 
2014-04-03 09:05:59 AM

Target Builder: cman: Gainsaying ones citizenship is probably not the best way to change the system. Its a form of protest sure but you cannot change the system if you do not participate.

The US makes it an expensive pain in the ass for its citizens to live overseas.

With various tax and financial regulation reporting rules Americans living overseas can find it difficult to even open a bank account. They can also expect complicated IRS filings that an accountant will charge them thousands of dollars each year to complete, unless they want to have a go themselves and risk serious penalties if they misunderstand reporting requirements or how to fill out forms.

If someone's overseas stay is going to be long and of indefinite length then I can see why they would seriously consider cutting the cord and making their stay permanent rather than hang onto US citizenship.


No kidding about the taxes.  I just filed mine - only one W-2 and one T-4 (Canada's W-2), and I was sweating bullets over it.  And Canada is easy, when it comes to financial transactions across the border.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-03 09:07:39 AM
Somehow I thought about people like this...

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

Screwing things ups with their "Christian" values.
 
2014-04-03 09:09:28 AM

phenn: Benevolent Misanthrope: Why on earth would someone pay to keep a passport from a nation that they don't live in, if they don't intend to return? It used to be that American citizenship was a good thing. Now the State Department tells Americans not to let people know they are American. What does that tell you about America on the world stage?

Costa Rica - among others - does not issue passports to non-citizens. Not even if you're a permanent resident. We have no choice but to keep our US passports up to date.


I was unclear - I assumed that the person in question was a citizen.  You have to be, to renounce citizenship - IIRC international law requires you be a citizen somewhere.  I know the US requires proof of citizenship in another country before you can renounce US citizenship, and so does Canada.

I haven;t been here long enough to start making that decision - and I may change my tune when it comes time to fill in the forms. But if I get Canadian citizenship, I doubt I'll hang on to my US citizenship, if I don't intend to go back, ever.
 
2014-04-03 09:09:41 AM

dersk: pedrop357: Oh no, the US rates low on a subjective index.  How can we fix this ASAP?

Realize that the American Dream is less true now than it's been in a long time, realize that American exceptionalism is complete bull, and start looking beyond the borders for good ideas.


As long as we can also ignore biased indexes at the same time.
 
2014-04-03 09:14:34 AM
There is no herp derping like liberal herp derping. If you can't tell from the article title that this was going to be BS well then have fun.
 
2014-04-03 09:17:47 AM

Target Builder: The US didn't score "low", it's just that other countries scored higher.

The chart still says the US is a pretty damn nice place to live compared to almost anywhere else on earth, but for a lot of folks the idea that USA = #1 is deeply ingrained in them and they get upset when they find out that people might have it better elsewhere.


Listen buddy, if you're not going to pitch a hysterical fit over this information and try to use it to prove your political viewpoint or disprove your perceived political "enemy's" viewpoint, I'm going to have to ask you to leave.

Had it up to here with you people and your rational perspectives.
 
2014-04-03 09:18:02 AM

culculhen: way south: A number of the top placers are fairly rigid and monochromatic societies with healthy economies.
Considering our current situation, I'd say our position isn't something to be ashamed of.

Seriously, tell us more about those filth multi-chromes keeping the monochromatic part of the US down in the ranking!

We should do something to celebrate and promote monochrome culture to combat it. Something visual so people could see the importance of it. Some kind of uniform without color would do nicely... Maybe some hood that covers the face too? I see real potential in such an organization. Who is with Way South and me?


You have my axe!

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-03 09:18:34 AM

Alonjar: dersk: The SEC is such a pain in the ass that I'm finally getting close to renouncing my US citizenship...

I'm curious what it is that you're trying to do that conflicts with the SEC so much...


Trying to get an independent bowl bid
 
2014-04-03 09:22:28 AM

Alonjar: oryx: I suppose the U.S. should model itself after some worker's paradise such as Cuba or Venezuela. That would be according to Fark anyway.

Well, Cuba *does* have universal healthcare...


...aaaand political prisoners. It's the only progressive paradise that people are willing to strap 55 gallon barrels onto an old pontiac to try to float away from.
 
2014-04-03 09:22:47 AM

oryx: I suppose the U.S. should model itself after some worker's paradise such as Cuba or Venezuela. That would be according to Fark anyway.


actually something along the lines Iceland, Sweden, Finland or Norway would be awesome, thanks.
 
2014-04-03 09:25:50 AM

nickdaisy: Complete rubbish based on the notion that only states can impart progress. Countries like Niger and Mozambique score high because their impotent lawmaking bodies pass cookie cutter, UN-approved legislation that's never actually enforced.

This is a wonderful indication of why one should look skeptically at any study that suggests the USA is less than progressive. We've never been a tyrannical state that rams supposed social progress own peoples' throats (well, until recently).


I loved BM's complaint about "Land of Opportunity", when she's one of the loudest shouting for "equality of condition".
 
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