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(ESPN)   NBA referee Dick Bavetta: "Hey Cal Ripken, Jr. your 2,632 consecutive games played is great, but I just officiated my 2,633 straight regular season game"   (espn.go.com) divider line 63
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2014-04-03 06:08:17 AM  
In a strange coincedence he wasn't paid off for 8 of those games, and Ripken wore number 8!
 
2014-04-03 06:15:05 AM  
yeah ok he bettered him? Ripken actually played not just blew a whistle
kudos to him for officiating the games but do not compare him to the player.
 
2014-04-03 06:42:29 AM  
I've woken up and taken a crap for over 14000 straight days.  Where's the article about my amazing streak?  F the article I want a medal and a parade.  And a pony.
 
2014-04-03 06:45:32 AM  

Freakin Rican: yeah ok he bettered him? Ripken actually played not just blew a whistle
kudos to him for officiating the games but do not compare him to the player.


In most team sports, the referee covers more distance than any player.
 
2014-04-03 06:52:49 AM  

Twinkles: Freakin Rican: yeah ok he bettered him? Ripken actually played not just blew a whistle
kudos to him for officiating the games but do not compare him to the player.

In most team sports, the referee covers more distance than any player.


So? I'm sure you could find many regular people out there who have run far more miles than any referee. How many sports players can you find who were at the top of their game enough to match Ripken's streak?
 
2014-04-03 07:06:12 AM  
And in those 2,633 games, Bavetta's always given terrible calls.

/He sucks
//Especially if you're the road team
 
2014-04-03 07:07:19 AM  
How the hell was that incompetent fark not suspended.
 
2014-04-03 07:13:11 AM  

tommyl66: In a strange coincedence he wasn't paid off for 8 of those games, and Ripken wore number 8!


^ Thank you for that.  You saved me a LOT of time!
 
2014-04-03 07:14:50 AM  

elguerodiablo: I've woken up and taken a crap for over 14000 straight days.  Where's the article about my amazing streak?  F the article I want a medal and a parade.  And a pony.


I've been going for over 20,000.  You have to reach 36,500 before people start to notice.
 
2014-04-03 07:23:14 AM  
So is that more or less than  Earl Hebner?
 
2014-04-03 07:44:43 AM  

Twinkles: Freakin Rican: yeah ok he bettered him? Ripken actually played not just blew a whistle
kudos to him for officiating the games but do not compare him to the player.

In most team sports, the referee covers more distance than any player.


And baseball is not one of them.
 
2014-04-03 08:03:44 AM  
While I'm sure it took a lot of fortitude to achieve this streak, the fact remains that he is an NBA official, and their tradition is to allow blatant favoritism towards the NBA's supposed star players. It's difficult to summon up respect for the bogus.
 
2014-04-03 08:03:47 AM  

Twinkles: In most team sports, the referee covers more distance than any player.


In basketball, the most important distance to cover is...
redsarmy.files.wordpress.com
...the point spread.
 
2014-04-03 08:04:57 AM  

skeeterjennings: So is that more or less than  Earl Hebner?


Everybody knows he had his brother fill in for him a time or two.
 
2014-04-03 08:12:12 AM  
Jokes about the NBA and what constitutes an athlete aside, for a guy to spend 40 years refereeing basketball games, from his late 30s into his mid 70s, and covering a couple of miles a game up and down the court?  No, it's not an accomplishment on par with the actual players' longevity streaks, but it's still worth acknowledging as an achievement.
 
2014-04-03 08:39:00 AM  

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: How many sports players can you find who were at the top of their game enough to match Ripken's streak?

 
Ripken was nowhere near the top of his game for long stretches of the streak.  Few noticed because A) the media was enamored with The Streak, B) he was the only reason to watch baseball in Baltimore for most of his career, and C) even Ripken's shadow was still one of the best players on most of those teams.


Hell, if I was manager of the Orioles, I'd take half a Ripken over whatever was sitting on the infield bench, any day.  If he played for a better team there may not have been a streak at all, except at some point it became its own sensation.  Mind you he was one of the best shortstops of his time, no question, but his reputation also got downright silly.  In '89 he batted .257 but somehow won the Silver Slugger award.  If there's ever a textbook case of overrated, it's giving a .257 hitter a batter's award.

None of this is to diminish what he did; you don't break a 56-year-old record while being one of the best shortstops in the league just by showing up.  But we also have to dismiss this notion that "Ironman" was some god of baseball who just didn't get injured or let it affect his play, period.  He was very good overall, but he also had some terrible slumps and in hindsight it's obvious some of those were because he was hiding injuries.  If the Orioles had something to play for, or depth behind him for that matter, there would've been no Streak.  The Streak was initially because no one was available to take his place, and later became the only reason fans kept showing up at all.
 
2014-04-03 08:47:08 AM  

dragonchild: None of this is to diminish what he did; you don't break a 56-year-old record while being one of the best shortstops in the league just by showing up.


I'll diminish it. You learn quick in Little League who always gets to play, always gets to start, no matter how much they suck...


www.halloffamememorabilia.com
...the coach's kid.
 
2014-04-03 09:15:06 AM  
Suck it Bavetta, Crawford and all the other NBA refs. Referees should officiate the game, not insert themselves into it.


It is shameful that the majority of refs in the NBA can be named by the casual fan. You can only name a handful of officials from other sports league.
 
2014-04-03 09:21:42 AM  
"and at least 12 of them weren't fixed!"
 
2014-04-03 09:28:28 AM  
Is this the guy that dances every time he makes a call, or is that the other crotchety old piece of shiat?
 
2014-04-03 09:38:47 AM  
The NBA is as much a sport as the WWE.

Whereas the participants might be great physical specimens, the results are mostly pre-ordained.
 
2014-04-03 09:50:22 AM  
Guessing Bavetta fixed a bunch more games than Ripken did.

And yes, the NBA is a crock of sh*t and has been for quite some time now.
 
2014-04-03 09:51:25 AM  

EyeballKid: dragonchild: None of this is to diminish what he did; you don't break a 56-year-old record while being one of the best shortstops in the league just by showing up.

I'll diminish it. You learn quick in Little League who always gets to play, always gets to start, no matter how much they suck...


[www.halloffamememorabilia.com image 433x600]
...the coach's kid.


Earl Weaver was the manager when Jr started playing and his dad only lasted a couple years in that position.
 
2014-04-03 09:53:01 AM  

Freakin Rican: yeah ok he bettered him? Ripken actually played not just blew a whistle
kudos to him for officiating the games but do not compare him to the player.


Exactly, its a stupid comparison.
 
2014-04-03 09:55:27 AM  

elguerodiablo: I've woken up and taken a crap for over 14000 straight days.  Where's the article about my amazing streak?  F the article I want a medal and a parade.  And a pony.


I'm taking a crap right now as I type this, so I am getting a kick out of your post.
 
2014-04-03 10:01:39 AM  

dragonchild: If the Orioles had something to play for, or depth behind him for that matter, there would've been no Streak. The Streak was initially because no one was available to take his place, and later became the only reason fans kept showing up at all.


In 1992 and '93, the Orioles were within shouting distance of Toronto well into September. In 1994, they were 2 games back of the Wild Card when the strike happened. In 1996 and 1997, they made the playoffs. So to say the Orioles didn't have anything to play for through the second half of the streak is kinda wrong.
 
2014-04-03 10:04:00 AM  

elguerodiablo: Where's the article about my amazing streak?


I'm not touching this one.

/not without gloves.
//and bleach
///lots of bleach
 
2014-04-03 10:07:47 AM  

Generation_D: Guessing Bavetta fixed a bunch more games than Ripken did.

And yes, the NBA is a crock of sh*t and has been for quite some time now.


Although there are examples of bad officiating, its not rigged and to say so is stupid.
 
2014-04-03 10:15:43 AM  

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: How many sports players can you find who were at the top of their game enough to match Ripken's streak?


None, including Ripken.
 
2014-04-03 10:23:14 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: How many sports players can you find who were at the top of their game enough to match Ripken's streak?

None, including Ripken.


Well, I can think of one guy who ran with him for 2,130 games...
 
2014-04-03 10:30:57 AM  

skeeterjennings: So is that more or less than  Earl Hebner?


Surprisingly, Hebner is much more impartial.
 
2014-04-03 10:36:26 AM  

dragonchild: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: How many sports players can you find who were at the top of their game enough to match Ripken's streak?
 
Ripken was nowhere near the top of his game for long stretches of the streak.  Few noticed because A) the media was enamored with The Streak, B) he was the only reason to watch baseball in Baltimore for most of his career, and C) even Ripken's shadow was still one of the best players on most of those teams.


Hell, if I was manager of the Orioles, I'd take half a Ripken over whatever was sitting on the infield bench, any day.  If he played for a better team there may not have been a streak at all, except at some point it became its own sensation.  Mind you he was one of the best shortstops of his time, no question, but his reputation also got downright silly.  In '89 he batted .257 but somehow won the Silver Slugger award.  If there's ever a textbook case of overrated, it's giving a .257 hitter a batter's award.

None of this is to diminish what he did; you don't break a 56-year-old record while being one of the best shortstops in the league just by showing up.  But we also have to dismiss this notion that "Ironman" was some god of baseball who just didn't get injured or let it affect his play, period.  He was very good overall, but he also had some terrible slumps and in hindsight it's obvious some of those were because he was hiding injuries.  If the Orioles had something to play for, or depth behind him for that matter, there would've been no Streak.  The Streak was initially because no one was available to take his place, and later became the only reason fans kept showing up at all.


Every player goes through slumps; it doesn't necessarily mean they were injured.

Honestly, there is too much made of the streak.  It's not 2000+ games.  It's how many seasons.  Playing in 165 straight games is no more a feat than 162 sraight.  You get an offseason and start again.
 
2014-04-03 10:43:27 AM  

Twinkles: Freakin Rican: yeah ok he bettered him? Ripken actually played not just blew a whistle
kudos to him for officiating the games but do not compare him to the player.

In most team sports, the referee covers more distance than any player.


They run back and forth and the NBA has 3 refs so it's not like you're covering a whole side and an end line like in FIBA rules.
 
2014-04-03 10:48:42 AM  

EyeballKid: dragonchild: None of this is to diminish what he did; you don't break a 56-year-old record while being one of the best shortstops in the league just by showing up.

I'll diminish it. You learn quick in Little League who always gets to play, always gets to start, no matter how much they suck...


[www.halloffamememorabilia.com image 433x600]
...the coach's kid.


You do realize that Ripken Sr. was only manager of the Orioles for three seasons and that they weren't even in a row. Earl Weaver was the guy who started Ripken on the streak.  Do you really think Weaver was a guy who played favorites?

I think he played most of his games either under Weaver or Frank Robinson.
 
2014-04-03 10:54:40 AM  

mjones73: EyeballKid: dragonchild: None of this is to diminish what he did; you don't break a 56-year-old record while being one of the best shortstops in the league just by showing up.

I'll diminish it. You learn quick in Little League who always gets to play, always gets to start, no matter how much they suck...


[www.halloffamememorabilia.com image 433x600]
...the coach's kid.

Earl Weaver was the manager when Jr started playing and his dad only lasted a couple years in that position.


And a couple of years is a stretch; one game substitution in '85, all of '87 and six games into '88 before he got fired partway into that infamous losing streak.  Cal Sr. ranks 6th out of the 8 managers Cal had during the streak in games managed, behind Oates, Frank Robinson, Weaver, Altobelli and Davey Johnson.  If anything, Oates should be considered the one who truly kept the streak alive, having been his manager for the longest and during the time when it was most in jeopardy.  (Regan a bit too, as he was manager for 2,131, but at that point it wasn't even really an option to bench him.)
 
2014-04-03 11:11:58 AM  

GoldSpider: elguerodiablo: I've woken up and taken a crap for over 14000 straight days.  Where's the article about my amazing streak?  F the article I want a medal and a parade.  And a pony.

I'm taking a crap right now as I type this, so I am getting a kick out of your post.


I'm taking a crap while reading your post from when you were taking a crap!
 
2014-04-03 11:19:37 AM  

degenerate-afro: I think he played most of his games either under Weaver or Frank Robinson.


It's actually Johnny Oates, by about 45 games or so.  Earl's third, about 130 games behind Robinson.
 
2014-04-03 11:44:54 AM  

Boxingoutsider: Generation_D: Guessing Bavetta fixed a bunch more games than Ripken did.

And yes, the NBA is a crock of sh*t and has been for quite some time now.

Although there are examples of bad officiating, its not rigged and to say so is stupid.


Of course it is rigged! The NBA uses a special set of magnets in the balls to determine outcomes. They turned it on in game 6 of the finals last year, to make sure the Heat got those two offensive rebounds, and then used it to direct Ray Allen's shot into the basket. It was going to be the Heat all the time, the NBA wants Lebron to be the new Jordan! That's why they have made sure he never loses in the finals, and he would never lose in the finals to a team built on solid coaching and lead by some Euro whose name most Americans mispronounce.
 
2014-04-03 11:50:13 AM  
NBA refs are as useful as WWE refs.
 
2014-04-03 12:36:10 PM  

varmitydog: While I'm sure it took a lot of fortitude to achieve this streak, the fact remains that he is an NBA official, and their tradition is to allow blatant favoritism towards the NBA's supposed star players


Yes...in no other sport do some players receive, say, favorable strike zones, take fewer penalties, get suspended less than they deserve, etc.

Jesus, people are stupid in their criticisms of the NBA.
 
2014-04-03 12:51:25 PM  

dragonchild: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: How many sports players can you find who were at the top of their game enough to match Ripken's streak?
 
Ripken was nowhere near the top of his game for long stretches of the streak.  Few noticed because A) the media was enamored with The Streak, B) he was the only reason to watch baseball in Baltimore for most of his career, and C) even Ripken's shadow was still one of the best players on most of those teams.


Hell, if I was manager of the Orioles, I'd take half a Ripken over whatever was sitting on the infield bench, any day.  If he played for a better team there may not have been a streak at all, except at some point it became its own sensation.  Mind you he was one of the best shortstops of his time, no question, but his reputation also got downright silly.  In '89 he batted .257 but somehow won the Silver Slugger award.  If there's ever a textbook case of overrated, it's giving a .257 hitter a batter's award.

None of this is to diminish what he did; you don't break a 56-year-old record while being one of the best shortstops in the league just by showing up.  But we also have to dismiss this notion that "Ironman" was some god of baseball who just didn't get injured or let it affect his play, period.  He was very good overall, but he also had some terrible slumps and in hindsight it's obvious some of those were because he was hiding injuries.  If the Orioles had something to play for, or depth behind him for that matter, there would've been no Streak.  The Streak was initially because no one was available to take his place, and later became the only reason fans kept showing up at all.


In 1989 Ripken had by far the best oWAR of any Shortstop in MLB (and finished 3rd in the MVP voting). Who else should have won the Silver Slugger in the AL that year (Barry Larkin won it in the NL with a 3.7 oWAR). Tony Fernandez, Alan Trammel, Kurt Stillwell, Greg Gagne? Ripken was the only choice in the AL using both traditional and advanced statistics.
 
2014-04-03 12:56:15 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: elguerodiablo: I've woken up and taken a crap for over 14000 straight days.  Where's the article about my amazing streak?  F the article I want a medal and a parade.  And a pony.

I've been going for over 20,000.  You have to reach 36,500 before people start to notice.


Wait a few years. You'll be delighted when your streak hits three.
 
2014-04-03 01:00:30 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Yanks_RSJ: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: How many sports players can you find who were at the top of their game enough to match Ripken's streak?

None, including Ripken.

Well, I can think of one guy who ran with him for 2,130 games...


Gehrig had a .295/.410/.523 split in his last season (while well into suffering from ALS). What an amazing player.
 
2014-04-03 01:32:48 PM  
Allegations of game fixing

Bavetta was one of three referees for the Game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals between the Kings and the Lakers. Former referee Tim Donaghy has alleged that at least one of the referees working this game had subjective motives for wanting the Lakers to defeat the Kings, and made officiating calls to effectuate this outcome.[17][18] The NBA has not permitted Bavetta to speak publicly regarding the incident, though The New York Times reported on June 12, 2008 that the FBI is investigating allegations that Game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals had been manipulated to further the series to a seventh game. Even the television announcers commented on how obvious it was that the fix was in.


The NBA fixed games, and to claim otherwise is to be the outlier at this point.
 
2014-04-03 01:46:51 PM  

Generation_D: Allegations of game fixing

Bavetta was one of three referees for the Game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals between the Kings and the Lakers. Former referee Tim Donaghy has alleged that at least one of the referees working this game had subjective motives for wanting the Lakers to defeat the Kings, and made officiating calls to effectuate this outcome.[17][18] The NBA has not permitted Bavetta to speak publicly regarding the incident, though The New York Times reported on June 12, 2008 that the FBI is investigating allegations that Game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals had been manipulated to further the series to a seventh game. Even the television announcers commented on how obvious it was that the fix was in.


The NBA fixed games, and to claim otherwise is to be the outlier at this point.


Tim Donaghy was the best thing to happen to quality teams like San Antonio and Indiana that have (for one reason or another) captured the general basketball-watching population's fancy. The NBA just can't afford to (outwardly) influence games so that more "marketable" teams benefit.

/If every "former NBA fan" that spouts the no defense, isolation-centric line actually practiced what they preached, the Spurs would lead the league in ratings.
 
2014-04-03 01:47:15 PM  
Still hate him for missing a shot clock call on a 3 pointer for the Jazz against the Bulls in the finals.  I think all of Utah does.  He still gets booed when he comes back.
 
2014-04-03 01:48:43 PM  

Moopy Mac: Generation_D: Allegations of game fixing

Bavetta was one of three referees for the Game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals between the Kings and the Lakers. Former referee Tim Donaghy has alleged that at least one of the referees working this game had subjective motives for wanting the Lakers to defeat the Kings, and made officiating calls to effectuate this outcome.[17][18] The NBA has not permitted Bavetta to speak publicly regarding the incident, though The New York Times reported on June 12, 2008 that the FBI is investigating allegations that Game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals had been manipulated to further the series to a seventh game. Even the television announcers commented on how obvious it was that the fix was in.


The NBA fixed games, and to claim otherwise is to be the outlier at this point.

Tim Donaghy was the best thing to happen to quality teams like San Antonio and Indiana that have (for one reason or another)  failed to captured the general basketball-watching population's fancy. The NBA just can't afford to (outwardly) influence games so that more "marketable" teams benefit.

/If every "former NBA fan" that spouts the no defense, isolation-centric line actually practiced what they preached, the Spurs would lead the league in ratings.


FTFM.
 
2014-04-03 02:01:27 PM  

Moopy Mac: Tim Donaghy was the best thing to happen to quality teams like San Antonio and Indiana that have (for one reason or another) captured the general basketball-watching population's fancy.


Indeed. He did help rig at least one series for the Spurs to help them get the easiest championship ever (facing the LeBronettes in 2007).
 
2014-04-03 02:21:59 PM  

Moopy Mac: If every "former NBA fan" that spouts the no defense, isolation-centric line actually practiced what they preached, the Spurs would lead the league in ratings.


Or, maybe they're not into flopping, either.
 
2014-04-03 02:38:31 PM  

EyeballKid: Moopy Mac: If every "former NBA fan" that spouts the no defense, isolation-centric line actually practiced what they preached, the Spurs would lead the league in ratings.

Or, maybe they're not into flopping, either.


Which has declined over the last three years as the NBA instituted fines based on post-game replays.

What talking point is next?
 
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