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(The Atlantic)   As if living on Earth isn't crazy enough, some crazy guys from NASA think living on Mars would drive us crazy   (m.theatlantic.com) divider line 50
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2014-04-03 12:29:39 AM
This week in issues that were addressed fifty years ago in sci-fi movies, television, and literature.
 
2014-04-03 12:33:18 AM
Hell is other people.
 
2014-04-03 12:33:44 AM
media2.firstshowing.net
You've been up here too long man. You've lost your marbles.
 
2014-04-03 12:34:05 AM
It won't drive you crazy, you just haven't grokked the fullness of life on Mars.
 
2014-04-03 12:34:35 AM
And...
lakersblog.latimes.com
as well.
 
2014-04-03 12:35:35 AM
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You just need lots of 70s TV and disco to get you through.
 
2014-04-03 12:35:46 AM
Paging Mr. Xxx ...
 
2014-04-03 12:37:56 AM
Mars ain't a place to raise your kids. In fact it's cold as hell.
 
2014-04-03 12:45:01 AM
Probably end up thinking your some kind of weird 1970s cop.
 
2014-04-03 12:47:01 AM
I see no point to going to Mars. There's nothing there. You'd get as much out of it as if you hung out in the Arctic (minus any fauna) for a couple years.

We should be colonizing the ocean first. It's stupid to travel that far when we have all this surface of Earth we've never even seen or lived in.
 
2014-04-03 12:52:30 AM
Why do they always put highly educated scientists and such in these experiments?  Why not Joe Shmoe with average life experience? I mean.. That's what eventually want after all right? Normal ol humans to live there..
 
2014-04-03 12:52:43 AM
Agrees.

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2014-04-03 12:57:36 AM
Loving in a small space for months at time where the outside is hostile? Little social interaction and starting at screens all day? No bathing? How is this any different from a basement dwelling neckbeards life?

Maybe the problem with space travel is we send the ones too eager to put themselves in danger, overachiving type As who would go nuts having to sit and wait in a dome.
 
2014-04-03 12:58:44 AM

Nix Nightbird: I see no point to going to Mars. There's nothing there. You'd get as much out of it as if you hung out in the Arctic (minus any fauna) for a couple years.

We should be colonizing the ocean first. It's stupid to travel that far when we have all this surface of Earth we've never even seen or lived in.


comp.webstockpro.com
 
2014-04-03 01:04:23 AM
img1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-04-03 01:21:51 AM
That's crazy.
 
2014-04-03 01:23:54 AM
Pretty sure this article is about the new CBS show, Big Brother: Hawaii.
 
2014-04-03 01:38:55 AM
I agree. It would probably drive people mad without an adequate simulated Earth environment. Some sort of terraforming. However, you still have the issue of low gravity.
 
2014-04-03 01:43:42 AM
The crucial element for anyone living on mars is that they've accepted dying on mars.  We don't have the tech to get people to mars and safely get them back to earth.  So that's going to cater to extremists like religious zealots or people who are passively suicidal.  Normal people who want children and soccer games and dinner at the Olive Garden aren't going to mars.
 
2014-04-03 01:52:38 AM

Nix Nightbird: We should be colonizing the ocean first. It's stupid to travel that far when we have all this surface of Earth we've never even seen or lived in.


Until the Earth gets hit by that asteroid no one saw coming.  Nowhere to go.  Everyone dies.

We need colonies off the Earth to ensure survival of the species.
 
2014-04-03 01:52:40 AM
The gravity's light, so you can really travel well by jumping.
 
2014-04-03 01:58:21 AM

Fat Man Of La Mancha: Loving in a small space for months at time where the outside is hostile? Little social interaction and starting at screens all day?


It's called a "submarine".  Might even be some "loving" in the sub, though finding an empty space is tough to do!

One problem they will encounter is one submariners encounter:  difficulty focusing their eyes on far objects.  There just aren't any long distances on a sub, and so your eyes lose muscle strength needed for long focus.  It comes back after a few days on land, but it might be significant if a problem develops within hours of landing.
 
2014-04-03 02:09:07 AM

indy_kid: Fat Man Of La Mancha: Loving in a small space for months at time where the outside is hostile? Little social interaction and starting at screens all day?

It's called a "submarine".  Might even be some "loving" in the sub, though finding an empty space is tough to do!

One problem they will encounter is one submariners encounter:  difficulty focusing their eyes on far objects.  There just aren't any long distances on a sub, and so your eyes lose muscle strength needed for long focus.  It comes back after a few days on land, but it might be significant if a problem develops within hours of landing.


I would have liked to have seen Mars

www.southbayriders.com
 
2014-04-03 02:49:23 AM
Maybe someone should make a movie about it. About living on Mars. That is a new idea I came up with just now.
 
2014-04-03 02:50:20 AM

syrynxx: The crucial element for anyone living on mars is that they've accepted dying on mars.  We don't have the tech to get people to mars and safely get them back to earth.


Actually, Spacex is developing a pretty reasonable plan for two way travel. It is true that it wouldn't be very feasible to build a rocket that could carry enough fuel for a two way trip, it doesn't take nearly as much fuel to make the return trip.  So you wouldn't need all the stages. So they are making rockets that can land and be immediately reused ( if the Air Force ever manages to fix their decaying radar infrastructure, they will be testing this shortly).  In addition, they are developing an engine that runs off of methane, which can be obtained or manufactured on Mars.  So, no need to carry fuel for the return trip.

Will their plan work? No one knows.  But it is a reasonable plan, and they have a good track record.
 
2014-04-03 03:08:48 AM
FTA: the only time the crew will be able to leave their habitat-yurt is when they're wearing puffy, insulated uniforms that simulate space suits. In the Hawaiian heat.

The Hawaiian heat at 8,200 feet above sea level.  Uh huh.
 
2014-04-03 03:20:02 AM
Also dark-skinned.  And golden-eyed.

/obscure?
 
2014-04-03 05:43:06 AM
I'm already a hermit. And a xenophile. Give me a couple hours a week to run and jump like Supes, without restraint, and I'm good to go. "Hey guys, need this 1000lb piece of equipment moved? I got this." "Need me over there? Fark a buggy, I'll just jump. Last one there is a Quaid."
 
2014-04-03 06:00:21 AM

Nix Nightbird: I see no point to going to Mars. There's nothing there. You'd get as much out of it as if you hung out in the Arctic (minus any fauna) for a couple years.

We should be colonizing the ocean first. It's stupid to travel that far when we have all this surface of Earth we've never even seen or lived in.


That would be an ecological catastrophe.
Habitability of this planet is dictated by its oceans and we've almost wrecked the system from our land based cities.
Could you imagine the damage if we lived in the sea on a large scale?

At the rate we're going, even with a more efficient lifestyle we're approaching the maximum population this planet can support.  We won't stop needing resources which means if we want to keep expanding as a species we need to find new stomping grounds.

If there's one thing we can find plenty of in space, its room to grow.
 
2014-04-03 06:30:25 AM

zarker: img1.wikia.nocookie.net


gadget gadget
 
2014-04-03 07:42:01 AM

syrynxx: The crucial element for anyone living on mars is that they've accepted dying on mars.  We don't have the tech to get people to mars and safely get them back to earth.  So that's going to cater to extremists like religious zealots or people who are passively suicidal.  Normal people who want children and soccer games and dinner at the Olive Garden aren't going to mars.


Wait, because I don't care what happens to my body after I'm done with it means I'm passively suicidal?

/dump it in a ditch or feed it to the wolves, I don't care. I'm done with it
//also, COHAGEN, GIVE DEEZ PEEPLE AYUH!
 
2014-04-03 08:04:28 AM

GRCooper: syrynxx: The crucial element for anyone living on mars is that they've accepted dying on mars.  We don't have the tech to get people to mars and safely get them back to earth.  So that's going to cater to extremists like religious zealots or people who are passively suicidal.  Normal people who want children and soccer games and dinner at the Olive Garden aren't going to mars.

Wait, because I don't care what happens to my body after I'm done with it means I'm passively suicidal?

/dump it in a ditch or feed it to the wolves, I don't care. I'm done with it
//also, COHAGEN, GIVE DEEZ PEEPLE AYUH!


Nevermind.

/I broke personal rule #1 - don't Fark before caffeine
 
2014-04-03 08:09:37 AM

DenisVengeance: Agrees.


That was AWESOME movie!!!
 
2014-04-03 08:34:16 AM
hawaiitribune-herald.com

www.yourprops.com
 
2014-04-03 09:03:57 AM

brobinson2001: I'm already a hermit. And a xenophile. Give me a couple hours a week to run and jump like Supes, without restraint, and I'm good to go. "Hey guys, need this 1000lb piece of equipment moved? I got this." "Need me over there? Fark a buggy, I'll just jump. Last one there is a Quaid."


You can manhandle a 400 lb piece of equipment?  Not bad, I couldnt do that.
 
2014-04-03 09:05:24 AM

Mad_Radhu: [img.fark.net image 313x475]

You just need lots of 70s TV and disco to get you through.


Don't forget the potatoes.
 
2014-04-03 09:56:31 AM
I'd be more concerned about heavy doses of ionizing radiation in the long term. If the crazy doesn't get you, the cancer will.
 
2014-04-03 09:59:30 AM

Fat Man Of La Mancha: Loving in a small space for months at time where the outside is hostile? Little social interaction and starting at screens all day? No bathing? How is this any different from a basement dwelling neckbeards life?

Maybe the problem with space travel is we send the ones too eager to put themselves in danger, overachiving type As who would go nuts having to sit and wait in a dome.


We should only send members of the PC Inferior race to Mars. They would be right at home as long as they can play on their little computers.
 
2014-04-03 10:22:38 AM

Mad_Radhu: [img.fark.net image 313x475]

You just need lots of 70s TV and disco to get you through.


Just finished that book. Couldn't put it down. The science is spot on. Really enjoyed it. A few days after reading it, I picked up Robert Zubrin's 'The case for Mars'. The  habitats and lander/ascent vehicles and other tech pictured in the book are clearly what Weir used as a reference.

Apparently soon to be a major motion picture.
 
2014-04-03 10:33:53 AM

farkingismybusiness: And...
[lakersblog.latimes.com image 261x366]
as well.


I see the only relevant media on this issue has been brought up.
 
2014-04-03 10:48:40 AM
Who cares. We (the US) won't be leaving LEO in the lifetime of any farker's. Or their children, or theirs.
 
2014-04-03 11:07:58 AM
What about being born there?

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/Too obscure?
 
2014-04-03 11:09:45 AM

OnlyM3: Who cares. We (the US) won't be leaving LEO in the lifetime of any farker's. Or their children, or theirs.


We'll be right back at it as soon as Russia or China start to make a move.

The moon was a prestige program for us. When someone else is showing us up or making money out there, it'll become a priority again.
 
2014-04-03 11:28:26 AM
On a side note... did QA die or get banned?

way south: OnlyM3: Who cares. We (the US) won't be leaving LEO in the lifetime of any farker's. Or their children, or theirs.

We'll be right back at it as soon as Russia or China start to make a move.

The moon was a prestige program for us. When someone else is showing us up or making money out there, it'll become a priority again.


THIS. NASA's budget is a drop in the bucket. The "Military-Industrial complex" will need a big new customer when the DoD drops spending to a trickle.
 
2014-04-03 11:36:45 AM

indy_kid: Fat Man Of La Mancha: Loving in a small space for months at time where the outside is hostile? Little social interaction and starting at screens all day?

It's called a "submarine".  Might even be some "loving" in the sub, though finding an empty space is tough to do!

One problem they will encounter is one submariners encounter:  difficulty focusing their eyes on far objects.  There just aren't any long distances on a sub, and so your eyes lose muscle strength needed for long focus.  It comes back after a few days on land, but it might be significant if a problem develops within hours of landing.


Eye muscles work the other way around, they contract to focus on short distances and relax to see far way. Thats why people who stare at computer screen tend to need glasses, their cilliary muscles can't relax enough to see long distance.
I'd imagine break ups on a submarine would make for akward work situations. Any space craft we would send to mars would not carry as many people as a submarine, that might excrabate that.
 
2014-04-03 12:16:29 PM
[quoute]way south
2014-04-03 11:09:45 AM

OnlyM3: Who cares. We (the US) won't be leaving LEO in the lifetime of any farker's. Or their children, or theirs.

We'll be right back at it as soon as Russia or China start to make a move.

The moon was a prestige program for us. When someone else is showing us up
Russia is showing us up.
 
2014-04-03 01:03:51 PM

lonomoholo: Mad_Radhu: [img.fark.net image 313x475]

You just need lots of 70s TV and disco to get you through.

Just finished that book. Couldn't put it down. The science is spot on. Really enjoyed it. A few days after reading it, I picked up Robert Zubrin's 'The case for Mars'. The  habitats and lander/ascent vehicles and other tech pictured in the book are clearly what Weir used as a reference.

Apparently soon to be a major motion picture.


What I really liked about the book that a lot of the drama came down to trying to make the numbers add up for his provisions or simply to come up with enough thrust to get him home. It was a nice change from the usual fake drama caused by people doing stupid things just to move the plot forward.
 
2014-04-03 04:59:47 PM
FTFA: "Space, fortunately, does not drive us crazy. "

Kind of anticlimactic, isn't it? Anyway, I think that they should be looking at some serious gaming rigs to take along, and a really good library of games and movies, with a decent collection of TV shows (and good anime wouldn't hurt either). Entertainment and interactivity will be what keeps these people sane.
 
2014-04-03 06:23:38 PM

pxlboy: [hawaiitribune-herald.com image 640x480]

[www.yourprops.com image 850x368]


At the end of time, a moment will come when just one man remains
 
2014-04-04 12:25:41 AM

Fat Man Of La Mancha: Loving in a small space for months at time where the outside is hostile? Little social interaction and starting at screens all day? No bathing? How is this any different from a basement dwelling neckbeards life?

Maybe the problem with space travel is we send the ones too eager to put themselves in danger, overachiving type As who would go nuts having to sit and wait in a dome.


I knew one day all that preparation would be good for something!


/see, mom? I've been participating in a Mars habitat training program all this time.
 
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