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(Herald Scotland)   Scottish soccer team goes bankrupt in middle of season giving opposing teams automatic 3-0 wins, a strategy remarkably similar to that being used by the Toronto Maple Leafs in their playoff run   (heraldscotland.com) divider line 41
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2014-04-03 12:05:01 AM
I hate to stick up for the Leaves, but they DID take the Bruins to Game 7 last year and should have won if they didn't just forfeit the last ten minutes of regulation. (do the math sports fans and just please get the joke)
 
2014-04-03 01:27:26 AM
What a struggle for the SPL.  First Rangers, now Hearts.  Two teams that were always in Europe not too long ago, now to be relegated far down the Scottish pyramid.
 
2014-04-03 01:33:18 AM

devioustrevor: What a struggle for the SPL.  First Rangers, now Hearts.  Two teams that were always in Europe not too long ago, now to be relegated far down the Scottish pyramid.


And this is why North American leagues value parity. When it's that unbalanced, the haves don't complain one bit, but the have-nots can't survive. You can't win without having opponents to beat.
 
2014-04-03 01:44:17 AM

Gosling: devioustrevor: What a struggle for the SPL.  First Rangers, now Hearts.  Two teams that were always in Europe not too long ago, now to be relegated far down the Scottish pyramid.

And this is why North American leagues value parity. When it's that unbalanced, the haves don't complain one bit, but the have-nots can't survive. You can't win without having opponents to beat.


That is why you don't have capitalism in North American sports because the owners have rigged the system to ensure they always make money. There is no open market and collective bargaining guarantees that salaries are sustainable and even then there are league wide lock outs.

Hearts and Rangers are in a financial mess due to mismanagement, they didn't suddenly lose huge amounts of revenue just that the people running them did so unsustainably. At least Rangers administrators controlled their own destiny, Hearts are entangled in a Lithuanian Knot.

Scottish football does fine and I bet that the SPL made more in profit in the last five years than the English Premier League did.
 
2014-04-03 01:44:50 AM
Scottish soccer is pretty much screwed isn't it? Things really are not going well over there.
 
2014-04-03 02:05:14 AM
I'm not very familiar with this at all but it's sad that a couple of years after this happened to Rangers that another Scottish team may be facing the same fate.  It sounds like Hearts is going to be relegated but it's one thing to go down a league but if they get the Rangers treatment it'll be a tough road back. 
I feel bad for the fans; it's not my team but it sucks when your team is going through this.  It's one thing to lose and another to possibly have to hit the reset button and start all over.
 
2014-04-03 02:14:57 AM

Faddy: Scottish football does fine and I bet that the SPL made more in profit in the last five years than the English Premier League did.


CELTIC does fine. Everybody else is farked.
 
2014-04-03 02:26:56 AM

Faddy: Gosling: devioustrevor: What a struggle for the SPL.  First Rangers, now Hearts.  Two teams that were always in Europe not too long ago, now to be relegated far down the Scottish pyramid.

And this is why North American leagues value parity. When it's that unbalanced, the haves don't complain one bit, but the have-nots can't survive. You can't win without having opponents to beat.

That is why you don't have capitalism in North American sports because the owners have rigged the system to ensure they always make money. There is no open market and collective bargaining guarantees that salaries are sustainable and even then there are league wide lock outs.

Hearts and Rangers are in a financial mess due to mismanagement, they didn't suddenly lose huge amounts of revenue just that the people running them did so unsustainably. At least Rangers administrators controlled their own destiny, Hearts are entangled in a Lithuanian Knot.

Scottish football does fine and I bet that the SPL made more in profit in the last five years than the English Premier League did.


LOL not sure if serious.jpg.

You know how many games are shown worldwide? EPL vs SPL?  Either maximum troll or maximum ignorance.  Either way, gg.
 
2014-04-03 02:35:22 AM
Man you're stupid subby.  The Leafs never made the playoffs with Vesa Toskala in net.
 
2014-04-03 02:47:15 AM
You know the EPL loses around £400m every year. In Scotland there has been a cumulative profit made every year for some time and over half the teams in the top flight reported a profit in their last accounts moreover most clubs are free of any substantial debt.
 
2014-04-03 04:16:26 AM

jaylectricity: I hate to stick up for the Leaves, but they DID take the Bruins to Game 7 last year and should have won if they didn't just forfeit the last ten minutes of regulation.


Congratulations. Would you like a trophy and a parade for that accomplishment?
 
2014-04-03 06:24:28 AM
This hasn't happened yet and as long as they survive until Monday they should be OK assuming the CVA goes through (which logic suggests it should).
 
2014-04-03 07:04:17 AM
And this is why I'm an MLS fan instead of trying to pick a team in one of those crazy European leagues. The talent level might not be there yet, but Americans have figured out how to run a sports league. If the EPL were to get rid of this promotion-relegation nonsense and install a salary cap and a salary floor, I might start watching it.
 
2014-04-03 07:35:51 AM

Palmer Eldritch: And this is why I'm an MLS fan instead of trying to pick a team in one of those crazy European leagues. The talent level might not be there yet, but Americans have figured out how to run a sports league. If the EPL were to get rid of this promotion-relegation nonsense and install a salary cap and a salary floor, I might start watching it.


And if the EPL suddenly decide to do that, you'd consign the other 72 teams in the football league to forever being at their lower level, likely leading to many of them going bust.

That's a brilliant idea. Why don't they do that?
 
2014-04-03 07:43:15 AM
Watford should be challenging for a Champions League spot any year now.
 
2014-04-03 07:52:35 AM
Why 3-0 wins? Why not 1-0, or for that matter, 15-0 wins?
 
2014-04-03 08:04:50 AM

Snowrise: Why 3-0 wins? Why not 1-0, or for that matter, 15-0 wins?


It's a solid win for the teams that Hearts would have faced. As for the number, the goal difference can decide what place a team ends the season at, which could mean a huge amount of money lost in case of relegation or a lot of money won if the team qualifies for European competition.

1-0 is too light a punishment in case a team would want to forfeit to rest players in a game they would likely lose, while a huge punishment, like say 6-0, would be too generous to the team that did not forfeit, since that kind of result isn't common.
 
2014-04-03 08:10:16 AM

Faddy: You know the EPL loses around £400m every year. In Scotland there has been a cumulative profit made every year for some time and over half the teams in the top flight reported a profit in their last accounts moreover most clubs are free of any substantial debt.


Motherwell, Dundee, Livingstone, Gretna, Rangers, Dunfermline, and Hearts.  7 clubs in 14 years in administration or wound up.  That's a sure sign of stability there,,,and I didn't even look below the top league.
 
2014-04-03 08:50:20 AM
I shed no tears for Hearts.  They're simply acknowledging the coming hegemony and domination of Partick Thistle and accepting the inevitable.
 
2014-04-03 09:43:21 AM

Flappyhead: Man you're stupid subby.  The Leafs never made the playoffs with Vesa Toskala in net.


Sweet Jesus I remember the largest fit of rage I've had outside of the game 7 fiasco was the night Toskala tried to catch a puck going wide of the net, twisted, and dropped the farking puck INTO the net.
 
2014-04-03 10:15:46 AM
I guess it's high times for Celtic fans
 
2014-04-03 10:17:05 AM

Faddy: You know the EPL loses around £400m every year. In Scotland there has been a cumulative profit made every year for some time and over half the teams in the top flight reported a profit in their last accounts moreover most clubs are free of any substantial debt.


Citation needed
 
2014-04-03 10:24:23 AM

Palmer Eldritch: And this is why I'm an MLS fan instead of trying to pick a team in one of those crazy European leagues. The talent level might not be there yet, but Americans have figured out how to run a sports league. If the EPL were to get rid of this promotion-relegation nonsense and install a salary cap and a salary floor, I might start watching it.


Yeah no, that's BS.

Up until recently EPL clubs had a rule that, essentially, made the clubs a NFP entity.  You made money with the club, you put it back into the club.

Then that ban was lifted and now, the likes of Portsmouth are a testament to mismanagement.  Only now are they seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.in League Two (England's fourth tier).
 
2014-04-03 10:25:31 AM

Kurohone: Faddy: You know the EPL loses around £400m every year. In Scotland there has been a cumulative profit made every year for some time and over half the teams in the top flight reported a profit in their last accounts moreover most clubs are free of any substantial debt.

Motherwell, Dundee, Livingstone, Gretna, Rangers, Dunfermline, and Hearts.  7 clubs in 14 years in administration or wound up.  That's a sure sign of stability there,,,and I didn't even look below the top league.


Well...isn't Gretna a special case because their owner became incapacited and there was no money being pumped in from him?
 
2014-04-03 10:27:05 AM

NachoMama: And if the EPL suddenly decide to do that, you'd consign the other 72 teams in the football league to forever being at their lower level, likely leading to many of them going bust.


You've got to remember that you're talking to predominantly American sports fans here. We generally think in terms of franchises, rather than clubs. If the Premier League can support 20 teams, let's get the best 20 and have a league.

It's just a different economic model. We want socialism in our sports, rather than unfettered free-market capitalism.
 
2014-04-03 10:33:32 AM

Rwa2play: Then that ban was lifted and now, the likes of Portsmouth are a testament to mismanagement.


Portsmouth and Hearts: this is why you don't sell your club to Lithuanians.
 
2014-04-03 10:40:01 AM

Gonz: NachoMama: And if the EPL suddenly decide to do that, you'd consign the other 72 teams in the football league to forever being at their lower level, likely leading to many of them going bust.

You've got to remember that you're talking to predominantly American sports fans here. We generally think in terms of franchises, rather than clubs. If the Premier League can support 20 teams, let's get the best 20 and have a league.

It's just a different economic model. We want socialism in our sports, rather than unfettered free-market capitalism.


No, we don't. Please don't speak for me nor any of my friends or family. Because we all want the English method not the American method. If you can't run a club you shouldn't have a club and you will lose it. We don't want the Yankees sending profit sharing to the Marlins for 20+ years.  We want the Marlins to get relegated to the minors and the New Orleans Zephyers to get promoted to the majors. Then I'd have a reason to watch baseball as my local team got a shot at the big time. American owners realized long ago that a shared goal makes them all rich with less risk and as such they have set up the leagues as the most important thing not the teams.  We personally hate watching teams make money when they obviously don't try to compete. We want clubs run independently fighting for the right to be there not riding the coat tails of the teams already there.
 
2014-04-03 10:50:40 AM

balfourk: Gonz: NachoMama: And if the EPL suddenly decide to do that, you'd consign the other 72 teams in the football league to forever being at their lower level, likely leading to many of them going bust.

You've got to remember that you're talking to predominantly American sports fans here. We generally think in terms of franchises, rather than clubs. If the Premier League can support 20 teams, let's get the best 20 and have a league.

It's just a different economic model. We want socialism in our sports, rather than unfettered free-market capitalism.

No, we don't. Please don't speak for me nor any of my friends or family. Because we all want the English method not the American method. If you can't run a club you shouldn't have a club and you will lose it. We don't want the Yankees sending profit sharing to the Marlins for 20+ years.  We want the Marlins to get relegated to the minors and the New Orleans Zephyers to get promoted to the majors. Then I'd have a reason to watch baseball as my local team got a shot at the big time. American owners realized long ago that a shared goal makes them all rich with less risk and as such they have set up the leagues as the most important thing not the teams.  We personally hate watching teams make money when they obviously don't try to compete. We want clubs run independently fighting for the right to be there not riding the coat tails of the teams already there.


I believe he meant "most Americans" not "all Americans".
 
2014-04-03 10:58:22 AM

Palmer Eldritch: And this is why I'm an MLS fan instead of trying to pick a team in one of those crazy European leagues. The talent level might not be there yet, but Americans have figured out how to run a sports league. If the EPL were to get rid of this promotion-relegation nonsense and install a salary cap and a salary floor, I might start watching it.


That is as unlikely to happen as the MLB starts relegating clubs to AAA and ditching the draft.
 
2014-04-03 11:06:38 AM

meanmutton: I believe he meant "most Americans" not "all Americans".


I was, but let's be frank- I really should have spelled that out using very small words and easy-to-grasp concepts if I'd wanted an Arsenal fan to have any hope of understanding.
 
2014-04-03 11:24:23 AM

Gonz: meanmutton: I believe he meant "most Americans" not "all Americans".

I was, but let's be frank- I really should have spelled that out using very small words and easy-to-grasp concepts if I'd wanted an Arsenal fan to have any hope of understanding.


Ha a Spurs fan making fun of a Gunner. You want a salary cap because your team obviously mismanaged the most recent team building exercise and now half of the players you signed want to leave because there is no way they are getting Champions League football in Spursville.

All kidding aside I think it is silly to even say that you think most Americas want what you want. I have no idea what someone living in Montgomery, AL nor any other city wants for sports, so I do not want to assume that I do. I can only speak for myself and my family and friends.
 
2014-04-03 12:10:01 PM

Palmer Eldritch: And this is why I'm an MLS fan instead of trying to pick a team in one of those crazy European leagues. The talent level might not be there yet, but Americans have figured out how to run a sports league. If the EPL were to get rid of this promotion-relegation nonsense and install a salary cap and a salary floor, I might start watching it.


Yeah...I think you're better off sticking with MLS, since you obviously show no future in Football League restructuring.

I, for one, like the idea of at least NBA teams getting relegated to prevent purposely tanking to get the first draft pick. You know who that should belong to? The first place team in the minor league that gets promoted, or maybe a lottery between the top four promoted things or some such. Course it won't happen with the current higher-ups in the league, which is why we need to murder them and put their severed heads on spikes in front of the main NBA office with signs that say "adapt or die" on them so the new guys will get the idea to innovate.
 
2014-04-03 01:23:35 PM

NachoMama: Palmer Eldritch: And this is why I'm an MLS fan instead of trying to pick a team in one of those crazy European leagues. The talent level might not be there yet, but Americans have figured out how to run a sports league. If the EPL were to get rid of this promotion-relegation nonsense and install a salary cap and a salary floor, I might start watching it.

And if the EPL suddenly decide to do that, you'd consign the other 72 teams in the football league to forever being at their lower level, likely leading to many of them going bust.

That's a brilliant idea. Why don't they do that?


At the end of the day there are two differing models on how to run your sport.  EPL will never have the same format as MLS which will never have the same format as EPL.  No franchisee will invest tens and hundreds of millions of dollars when they potentially will lose all that if their team tanks in a season.  The MLS needs those franchise dollars.

Call me again in 10 years when MLS continues their expansion and talent gets to a level that is world recognized.  Already SA players are looking at the stability of the MLS and US/Canada and moving up here (Diego Valeri from Argentina for one) so mid/top tier talent that can't crack UEFA teams are headed here.  With the growth of the sport in the US what it is (and MLB being boring as sin and their fans are old, NFL concussions keeping parents from sending their kids down that road and NHL being too $$$ for a lot of kids) I think the MLS will continue to see record growth, competitiveness and stability in the next 10/20 years.

Until then - F Seattle this weekend.

/I'll be sitting the TA, No Pity and gut the fish.
 
2014-04-03 01:34:59 PM

rjakobi: I, for one, like the idea of at least NBA teams getting relegated to prevent purposely tanking to get the first draft pick. You know who that should belong to? The first place team in the minor league that gets promoted, or maybe a lottery between the top four promoted things or some such. Course it won't happen with the current higher-ups in the league, which is why we need to murder them and put their severed heads on spikes in front of the main NBA office with signs that say "adapt or die" on them so the new guys will get the idea to innovate.


"Innovate by copying this thing that's been going on for years and has resulted in the only league with less parity than your own."

What a stupid idea.
 
2014-04-03 03:00:05 PM
Hearts, Hibs AND Rangers in the 2nd Tier Next Season?
 
2014-04-03 03:14:01 PM

star_topology: Hearts, Hibs AND Rangers in the 2nd Tier Next Season?


Would make it a pretty interesting division.  Rangers probably still get promoted but it would be a bit tougher.
 
2014-04-03 03:44:42 PM

IAmRight: rjakobi: I, for one, like the idea of at least NBA teams getting relegated to prevent purposely tanking to get the first draft pick. You know who that should belong to? The first place team in the minor league that gets promoted, or maybe a lottery between the top four promoted things or some such. Course it won't happen with the current higher-ups in the league, which is why we need to murder them and put their severed heads on spikes in front of the main NBA office with signs that say "adapt or die" on them so the new guys will get the idea to innovate.

"Innovate by copying this thing that's been going on for years and has resulted in the only league with less parity than your own."

What a stupid idea.


Amen. Tanking is a problem in the NBA, b/c one guy can completely change your club, which is unique to basketball. Change the NBA draft to be like the old MLB Latin draft; you don't get picks, you get a maximum amount of cash you can spend on draftees. The worse you are, the bigger your allotment. You can spend it all on the next Lebron, or craft a decent roster. Rookies can take less money to play for a team they want. The only people who lose are perennial fark ups like Cleveland, Milwaukee, etc.
 
2014-04-03 04:51:30 PM

Ishkur: jaylectricity: I hate to stick up for the Leaves, but they DID take the Bruins to Game 7 last year and should have won if they didn't just forfeit the last ten minutes of regulation.

Congratulations. Would you like a trophy and a parade for that accomplishment?


Being a Bruins "fan" I was a game away from watching my team carry the trophy at the parade in Boston.
 
2014-04-03 05:24:57 PM

jayphat: Flappyhead: Man you're stupid subby.  The Leafs never made the playoffs with Vesa Toskala in net.

Sweet Jesus I remember the largest fit of rage I've had outside of the game 7 fiasco was the night Toskala tried to catch a puck going wide of the net, twisted, and dropped the farking puck INTO the net.


Ugh that one.  At least the 180 footer was skipping all over that shiat ice in Nassau.
 
2014-04-03 06:22:34 PM

Rwa2play: Kurohone: Faddy: You know the EPL loses around £400m every year. In Scotland there has been a cumulative profit made every year for some time and over half the teams in the top flight reported a profit in their last accounts moreover most clubs are free of any substantial debt.

Motherwell, Dundee, Livingstone, Gretna, Rangers, Dunfermline, and Hearts.  7 clubs in 14 years in administration or wound up.  That's a sure sign of stability there,,,and I didn't even look below the top league.

Well...isn't Gretna a special case because their owner became incapacited and there was no money being pumped in from him?


Actually I think Gretna is the example case for what's wrong with European football.  One person or entity can pump a franchise up to the top...but as soon as they're gone (died, arrested, bored) then it all stops.  Immediately.  It might not have been systemic mismanagement like the others, but it was still an example of poor fatal financial planning.

I started following European football when I was living in Japan, and started cheering for Man City most of all.  They were a small-time side that for whatever reason got on TV a lot there.  I can't say that I'm not enjoying this current run of success....but I know that it can all end anytime, with no warning or apology...and I have a feeling their fall is going to make Portsmouth's look mild.
 
2014-04-03 08:46:48 PM
Kurohone:

Actually I think Gretna is the example case for what's wrong with European football.  One person or entity can pump a franchise up to the top...but as soon as they're gone (died, arrested, bored) then it all stops.

This fan of the MIGHTY Oxford United can think of an earlier example than Gretna:

static.guim.co.uk

farking boat diving coontbag.
 
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