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2014-04-02 11:52:31 PM
Harvard undergraduate Sam N. Adams wrote in that school's student newspaper that "Harvard has a drinking problem"

digboston.com
 
2014-04-03 12:05:47 AM
What does Ted Cruz think about this?
 
2014-04-03 12:05:58 AM
This sounds like a great idea for date rapists.
 
2014-04-03 12:08:04 AM
Prevent a whopping seven Darwinian deaths?  Not worth it.

Also sexist.
 
2014-04-03 12:08:21 AM
Skeezy dudes from Saanich to Gander are salivating at the prospect of trawling for inebriated chicks without competition from younger bucks in the clubs
 
2014-04-03 12:09:06 AM
So now a random dude writing for the paper saying "We should do X" is the same as the government saying it?

Subby sounds like a poor, poor, oppressed MRA. Or a troll. Why not both?
 
2014-04-03 12:09:38 AM
If a real drunk guy and a real drunk girl get it in, who date raped who?

/or is it whom?
 
2014-04-03 12:12:49 AM

CruJones: If a real drunk guy and a real drunk girl get it in, who date raped who?

/or is it whom?


It's always the guy's fault, always dontcha' know.
 
2014-04-03 12:14:33 AM
Raising the drinking age would just increase Bing drinking.

Those 7 who died will probably still drink and die anyways.
 
2014-04-03 12:15:35 AM

shtychkn: Raising the drinking age would just increase Bing drinking.


I hate to sound like a hipster, but I prefer Google drinking.
 
Ral
2014-04-03 12:17:11 AM
Raising the legal drinking age does not stop people from drinking.  Nor does it save lives.

Let's put responsibility where it actually rests: on the shoulders of drinkers.
 
2014-04-03 12:17:37 AM
No.

/end thread
 
2014-04-03 12:17:58 AM
"Harvard has a drinking problem"

at least they're not into that whole Yale thing
 
2014-04-03 12:20:43 AM
This author "really" likes "quotes".
 
2014-04-03 12:21:26 AM

grumpfuff: So now a random dude writing for the paper saying "We should do X" is the same as the government saying it?

Subby sounds like a poor, poor, oppressed MRA. Or a troll. Why not both?


Didn't even rtfa because it's obviously just a bunch of bs.
 
2014-04-03 12:21:56 AM
I had a class in high school with the first guy to die in Canada by mixing vodka & red bull.

Let me state for the record that though such a death is regrettable, it didn't happen to the most sterling person who ever lived.
 
2014-04-03 12:23:06 AM
I say we simply make it illegal to buy, sell, manufacture, or consume alcohol.

What could go wrong?
 
2014-04-03 12:24:28 AM
You know what would save more lives? Banning alcohol all together.

Or we could stop coddling our youth and realize that at 18 if they don't have half a brain to handle their booze, then the world is probably better without them.

Also another idea for saving lives, raise the driving age to 21, that way they have three years of drinking practice before they can get behind the wheel; unlike now where kids driving for three years think they've mastered it and that the alcohol won't effect their ability to do so.
 
2014-04-03 12:24:58 AM
Calm down everyone, it's only sexist against men, it's not a big deal.
 
2014-04-03 12:28:54 AM
But being able to buy beer for girls who are under 21, but still over 18, is the only means I have of attracting girls to my house...no wait, I don't live in Canada.  Never mind.
 
2014-04-03 12:33:21 AM

tjsands1118: You know what would save more lives? Banning alcohol all together.

Or we could stop coddling our youth and realize that at 18 if they don't have half a brain to handle their booze, then the world is probably better without them.

Also another idea for saving lives, raise the driving age to 21, that way they have three years of drinking practice before they can get behind the wheel; unlike now where kids driving for three years think they've mastered it and that the alcohol won't effect their ability to do so.


I'm born and raised in Alberta and I started drinking at 18, when I was legally allowed. Amazingly I only ever drank twice before my 18th birthday and even then only a drink or two. Even by 20 I was of the opinion that the drinking age should be 21, as well as voting, driving AND joining the military, which I did at age 21. I realized how incredible stupid I was at ages 18 through 20 with alcohol. I can only imagine what people who think they are A-Ok get up to.

Now I drink Fark recommended whiskeys like Makers Mark and Knob Creek in reasonable amounts and enjoy it for the complexity of the flavor, but I digress.

People are pretty inexperienced before 21, even if some who are ahead of the curve would argue eloquently against my position, and most older people would agree.
 
2014-04-03 12:34:03 AM
How VODAK in Russia/Ukraine has anything do with...anything.........is beyond me.

Stupidity FTA: "One is the geopolitical drama that is playing out in Russia and Ukraine, both which rank in the top five worldwide for consumption of alcohol, according to the World Health Organization"

????

/at an airport bar
//drinking
///possibly VODAK
 
2014-04-03 12:34:26 AM

doglover: I say we simply make it illegal to buy, sell, manufacture, or consume alcohol.

What could go wrong?


Then you'll just have guys with gats driving tin lizzies full of hooch across the US-Canada border, supplying speakeasies in Quebec, Montreal, and Toronto.

/something familiar about this scenario
 
2014-04-03 12:34:50 AM
Maybe a tiered system would work.  Just like they have tiered driver's licenses now, have a tiered drinking age.  At 18 you can drink legally in the company of adult family members, at 19-20 you can legally buy beer and drink without adult supervision, but no hard liquor and a lowered level for DUI consideration, and at 21 the training wheels come off all the way.

I'm thinking about that more as a remedy for the US than for Canada, that would suck for Canada because they can already do whatever at 18/19.

The benefit would be it would ease people into things.
 
2014-04-03 12:35:46 AM
"Some guy wrote a vaguely aimed column" =! "Canada considers"
 
2014-04-03 12:36:51 AM
tjsands1118: Or we could stop coddling our youth and realize that at 18 if they don't have half a brain to handle their booze, then the world is probably better without them.

The problem is when they take out innocents along the way.
 
2014-04-03 12:37:16 AM

CruJones: If a real drunk guy and a real drunk girl get it in, who date raped who?

/or is it whom?


Whom. And it'll depend on who reports it first.

But he will probably be the one to go to jail, regardless.

/college guys just don't get this
//what you think is or is not "right" has nothing to do with what you had better do or not do
///your cellmate won't care what's "right" either
 
2014-04-03 12:38:07 AM

reveal101: Even by 20 I was of the opinion that the drinking age should be 21, as


OK, now you're lying. 20 year olds don't give a damn about that stuff. You're taking your current opinion and applying it to yourself long before you made that opinion.
 
2014-04-03 12:42:37 AM

brimed03: CruJones: If a real drunk guy and a real drunk girl get it in, who date raped who?

/or is it whom?

Whom. And it'll depend on who reports it first.

But he will probably be the one to go to jail, regardless.

/college guys just don't get this
//what you think is or is not "right" has nothing to do with what you had better do or not do
///your cellmate won't care what's "right" either


BTW, just to clarify: my first sentence was not facetious; my second one was; the third and thd slashies that followed were not.

It's a sensitive subject, and Fark is a sensitive audience.
 
2014-04-03 12:45:02 AM

jaylectricity: reveal101: Even by 20 I was of the opinion that the drinking age should be 21, as

OK, now you're lying. 20 year olds don't give a damn about that stuff. You're taking your current opinion and applying it to yourself long before you made that opinion.


Actually, you're taking *your* personal opinion and applying it to everyone else.

Signed, someone else who agreed with the 21 drinking age at 20.
 
2014-04-03 12:45:07 AM
Man, what is it with governments being prejudice against guys? First Arizona tried to make it where they can't eat in restaurants and now Canada wants them to not be able to drink alcohol.

Leave guys alone!
 
2014-04-03 12:48:05 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Maybe a tiered system would work.  Just like they have tiered driver's licenses now, have a tiered drinking age.  At 18 you can drink legally in the company of adult family members, at 19-20 you can legally buy beer and drink without adult supervision, but no hard liquor and a lowered level for DUI consideration, and at 21 the training wheels come off all the way.

I'm thinking about that more as a remedy for the US than for Canada, that would suck for Canada because they can already do whatever at 18/19.

The benefit would be it would ease people into things.


Sure that will work.
 
2014-04-03 12:48:32 AM

twiztedjustin: Man, what is it with governments being prejudice against guys? First Arizona tried to make it where they can't eat in restaurants and now Canada wants them to not be able to drink alcohol.

Leave guys alone!


Hey look, someone else who DNRTFA.
 
2014-04-03 12:49:55 AM

tjsands1118: You know what would save more lives? Banning alcohol all together.


Preach it, Piers Morgan!
 
2014-04-03 12:50:32 AM

CruJones: If a real drunk guy and a real drunk girl get it in, who date raped who?

/or is it whom?


As someone who got really drunk last night and made my really drunk date wait until we both sobered up before doing much more than awkward fumbling in the back seat of her car, I'm getting a kick.

/consent is important
//I actually made her walk a straight line to make sure she was sober enough to consent.
 
2014-04-03 12:56:11 AM
I'm not sure what was worse in tfa: that he cited a letter "signed" by Sam N Adams, or that he said the Amethyst Compact was signed by mostly small schools but "included a few heavy hitters, like Duke."

This guy just doesn't want to be taken seriously.
 
2014-04-03 12:57:39 AM

grumpfuff: twiztedjustin: Man, what is it with governments being prejudice against guys? First Arizona tried to make it where they can't eat in restaurants and now Canada wants them to not be able to drink alcohol.

Leave guys alone!

Hey look, someone else who DNRTFA.


That whistling is the sound of his joke flying waaayy over your head.
 
2014-04-03 12:58:57 AM

Rhino_man: CruJones: If a real drunk guy and a real drunk girl get it in, who date raped who?

/or is it whom?

As someone who got really drunk last night and made my really drunk date wait until we both sobered up before doing much more than awkward fumbling in the back seat of her car, I'm getting a kick.

/consent is important
//I actually made her walk a straight line to make sure she was sober enough to consent.


Good man. Your lawyer is pleased. Some of us are proud.

/no snark.
 
2014-04-03 01:02:23 AM

jaylectricity: shtychkn: Raising the drinking age would just increase Bing drinking.

I hate to sound like a hipster, but I prefer Google drinking.


Ask Jeeves dining is better
 
2014-04-03 01:04:40 AM
1. Canada is not considering any of this. Drinking age is a strictly provincial responsibility and the three provinces that have an MLDA of 18 are not considering changing it.

2.This gem:  The researchers, led by psychologist Russell Callaghan, even made a calculation of the likely effect of changing the drinking age, suggesting that "raising the drinking age to 19 years of age in Alberta, Manitoba, and Québec would prevent seven deaths of 18-year-old men each year." If a uniform age of 21 prevailed across the country, "this would prevent 32 annual deaths of male youth 18 to 20 years of age."

All it means is that in the first scenario the same 7 deaths would occur at 19 instead of 18 and in the second scenario the same 32 deaths would happen to 21 year-olds.
 
2014-04-03 01:05:05 AM

brimed03: grumpfuff: twiztedjustin: Man, what is it with governments being prejudice against guys? First Arizona tried to make it where they can't eat in restaurants and now Canada wants them to not be able to drink alcohol.

Leave guys alone!

Hey look, someone else who DNRTFA.

That whistling is the sound of his joke flying waaayy over your head.


Yea, I see that now.

The sad part is I was gonna quote one of the others, but picked his because it was the most recent comment. Oh well, maybe that's my signal to go to bed.
 
2014-04-03 01:05:07 AM

jaylectricity: shtychkn: Raising the drinking age would just increase Bing drinking.

I hate to sound like a hipster, but I prefer Google drinking.



I feel old....I was Altavista drinking back in high school.
 
2014-04-03 01:06:23 AM

brimed03: Rhino_man: CruJones: If a real drunk guy and a real drunk girl get it in, who date raped who?

/or is it whom?

As someone who got really drunk last night and made my really drunk date wait until we both sobered up before doing much more than awkward fumbling in the back seat of her car, I'm getting a kick.

/consent is important
//I actually made her walk a straight line to make sure she was sober enough to consent.

Good man. Your lawyer is pleased. Some of us are proud.

/no snark.


Well, seeing as how she's almost done with law school and is going to be taking the bar in July, I made damn sure to do it right.

Goddamn, she was persistent though.  Wasn't easy to say "not yet" that many times.
 
2014-04-03 01:07:53 AM
So... the same Farkers who make fun of beliefs not based on Science and Reason are here making fun of a proposal that at least attempts to be based on Science and Reason... using their own personal beliefs.

Got it.
 
2014-04-03 01:07:58 AM
The researchers, led by psychologist Russell Callaghan, even made a calculation of the likely effect of changing the drinking age, suggesting that "raising the drinking age to 19 years of age in Alberta, Manitoba, and Québec would prevent seven deaths of 18-year-old men each year." If a uniform age of 21 prevailed across the country, "this would prevent 32 annual deaths of male youth 18 to 20 years of age."

32 deaths per year for alcohol-related deaths? Not even statistically relevant.
 
2014-04-03 01:09:01 AM

grumpfuff: brimed03: grumpfuff: twiztedjustin: Man, what is it with governments being prejudice against guys? First Arizona tried to make it where they can't eat in restaurants and now Canada wants them to not be able to drink alcohol.

Leave guys alone!

Hey look, someone else who DNRTFA.

That whistling is the sound of his joke flying waaayy over your head.

Yea, I see that now.

The sad part is I was gonna quote one of the others, but picked his because it was the most recent comment. Oh well, maybe that's my signal to go to bed.


We've all been there.
 
2014-04-03 01:18:32 AM
I like the idea of different gender rules. I propose we raise the age of consent for men to 36.
Plus a max age of consent for men of 38, annually increasing both by 1.
 
2014-04-03 01:20:15 AM

gelovani: The researchers, led by psychologist Russell Callaghan, even made a calculation of the likely effect of changing the drinking age, suggesting that "raising the drinking age to 19 years of age in Alberta, Manitoba, and Québec would prevent seven deaths of 18-year-old men each year." If a uniform age of 21 prevailed across the country, "this would prevent 32 annual deaths of male youth 18 to 20 years of age."

32 deaths per year for alcohol-related deaths? Not even statistically relevant.


Notice that he's not even saying it would prevent 32 deaths per year. He's saying it would prevent 32 deaths of 18 to 20 year old males. In other words, we would have the same number of deaths, but the people dying would be slightly older.
 
2014-04-03 01:21:53 AM
Here's the science behind the 21 drinking age. The late adolescent brain is still in development and, at this phase, is still weak in judgment and making decisions based on reason rather than emotion. It's not just a matter of inexperience, it's a matter of brain chemistry and physiology. Some of the high-level functions are still forming. To make an admittedly bad analogy, those of you arguing for a lower age limit are arguing for giving the car keys to the mentally challenged kid.

That analogy is bad on so many levels it ought to be shot, and the guy who made it probably should be too. But it has one virtue: it makes clearer, to some of you, what I mean when I say the ability just isn't there yet.

You don't give a hot iron to a baby and expect a good outcome. The average 18 year old handles alcohol about the same way the baby handles the hot iron. And in both cases, the person responsible is the one who gave it to them-- whether by hand or by law-- in the first place.
 
2014-04-03 01:22:44 AM

Ral: Raising the legal drinking age does not stop people from drinking.  Nor does it save lives.

Let's put responsibility where it actually rests: on the shoulders of drinkers.


Disagree. The further from the drinking age the harder to get the booze. 21 probably does little to stop 18 y.o.s from drinking, but you can bet it hampered my ability to get alcohol at 16. Were the age 18 it would be a different story.

I am glad 16 year olds cannot go to bars. I am glad 16 year old me couldn't.
 
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