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(Engadget)   Seismic activity detected in Redmond as 800-pound gorilla starts to stomp around. Windows is now free for devices under 9", universal apps coming for your PC, Windows phone, and Xbox, and oh yeah, the start menu? It's coming back   (engadget.com) divider line 284
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2014-04-02 08:57:57 PM
I know a lot of people hate the Start Screen, so the return of the start menu will be the big deal for them, but this Universal App idea is the really big new IMO.  Compatibility across phone, tablet, and desktop has been something I've been saying MS should drive for for years, it would be the killer app to really draw people into that ecosystem.  I'd never thought about adding the Xbox into the mix, but hey, why not?

http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/02/microsoft-pushes-universal-apps-t ha t-run-on-everything-windows/
 
2014-04-02 09:17:26 PM
I'll keep the size of my device to myself, thankyouverymuch
 
2014-04-02 09:57:14 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I know a lot of people hate the Start Screen, so the return of the start menu will be the big deal for them, but this Universal App idea is the really big new IMO.  Compatibility across phone, tablet, and desktop has been something I've been saying MS should drive for for years, it would be the killer app to really draw people into that ecosystem.  I'd never thought about adding the Xbox into the mix, but hey, why not?

http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/02/microsoft-pushes-universal-apps-t ha t-run-on-everything-windows/


Well, I said from the beginning that Metro Apps, running in actual Windows on the desktop (not in tiles or full screen), would be very cool. Basically, Windows 8.1 is finally becoming everything I suggested when the Windows 8 beta reared its ugly Metro head, without the need to get a bunch of third-party apps to kludge back in the proper desktop features.
 
2014-04-02 10:19:19 PM
Much better, but too heavy borders everywhere. Still, I'd consider moving to 8 if they release that and it works.
 
2014-04-02 11:51:41 PM

TuteTibiImperes: the killer app to really draw people into that ecosystem


"I'll handle this, Tute. You get back to the farm, shift some paradigms, revolutionize outside the box.

comedycentral.mtvnimages.com
 
2014-04-03 06:01:53 AM
1. Android is free for all devices
2. I don't want "apps" on my PC. I want either fully-fledged applications that run in a farking window or browser-based applications. The app store on PC is just totally retarted and completely unnecessary and only exists so Microsoft can go "me too" about apps.
3. I've already got Start8, thanks. You want a farking medal for not listening to your beta testers, stonewalling against the protests of the people using it, and then finally seeing sense?

You're a good maker of trucks, and I generally like your stuff. Stop trying to get all the truck drivers to have sports cars, shiat heads.
 
2014-04-03 06:10:56 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'll keep the size of my device to myself, thankyouverymuch


Well, I'll get Windows for free, at least.
 
2014-04-03 06:15:23 AM
Wait, is that 9" when soft or erect? Because if it's soft, I can get free Windows.
 
2014-04-03 06:19:07 AM
Don't need a start button from M$. Classic Shell or Start 8
 
2014-04-03 06:19:36 AM
And someone will still complain. I have had 8.1 update 1 for about 3 weeks and it seems a bit faster
 
2014-04-03 06:34:41 AM
Are they fixing the bug where you have to use the command line to delete WiFi profiles?

I'm certain they will still lull you into thinking you have to set up 8/8.1 as a "cloud connected" operating system.
 
2014-04-03 06:47:27 AM

farkeruk: 1. Android is free for all devices
2. I don't want "apps" on my PC. I want either fully-fledged applications that run in a farking window or browser-based applications. The app store on PC is just totally retarted and completely unnecessary and only exists so Microsoft can go "me too" about apps.
3. I've already got Start8, thanks. You want a farking medal for not listening to your beta testers, stonewalling against the protests of the people using it, and then finally seeing sense?

You're a good maker of trucks, and I generally like your stuff. Stop trying to get all the truck drivers to have sports cars, shiat heads.


You are looking at it from a consumer point of view. Everything Microsoft does for PCs is for the business now. With SCCM 2012 you can set up an app store for your users that has approved external apps as well as home grown and the new "universal App" is essentially App-v.
 
2014-04-03 06:58:44 AM

rikkards: farkeruk: 1. Android is free for all devices
2. I don't want "apps" on my PC. I want either fully-fledged applications that run in a farking window or browser-based applications. The app store on PC is just totally retarted and completely unnecessary and only exists so Microsoft can go "me too" about apps.
3. I've already got Start8, thanks. You want a farking medal for not listening to your beta testers, stonewalling against the protests of the people using it, and then finally seeing sense?

You're a good maker of trucks, and I generally like your stuff. Stop trying to get all the truck drivers to have sports cars, shiat heads.

You are looking at it from a consumer point of view. Everything Microsoft does for PCs is for the business now.


Well then, they can get rid of the goddamn "charms" that pop out of the woodwork every farking time I go to edit something on my work laptop.
 
2014-04-03 07:09:41 AM
farkeruk:
2. I don't want "apps" on my PC. I want either fully-fledged applications that run in a farking window or browser-based applications. The app store on PC is just totally retarted and completely unnecessary and only exists so Microsoft can go "me too" about apps.

From the screen shot showing the return of the start menu it looks like there's a Metro application running in a window, so that's something you should be able to do.

Apparently developers will also be able to tailor unique interfaces, depending on the device, for universal apps (and app is just shorthand for application, they're the same darn thing).

Some programs won't scale well down to a phone, but a lot of things will.  Installing once and having access from all of your devices with shared notifications and cloud storage access would be mighty convenient for a lot of things.
 
2014-04-03 07:21:59 AM

TuteTibiImperes: this Universal App idea is the really big new IMO.  Compatibility across phone, tablet, and desktop has been something I've been saying MS should drive for for years, it would be the killer app to really draw people into that ecosystem.


That was the whole point of Metro/Modern, but people biatched, because thats what people do.
 
2014-04-03 07:22:00 AM

farkeruk: 1. Android is free for all devices
2. I don't want "apps" on my PC. I want either fully-fledged applications that run in a farking window or browser-based applications. The app store on PC is just totally retarted and completely unnecessary and only exists so Microsoft can go "me too" about apps.
3. I've already got Start8, thanks. You want a farking medal for not listening to your beta testers, stonewalling against the protests of the people using it, and then finally seeing sense?

You're a good maker of trucks, and I generally like your stuff. Stop trying to get all the truck drivers to have sports cars, shiat heads.


Very well said.
 
2014-04-03 07:23:20 AM

diaphoresis: Don't need a start button from M$. Classic Shell or Start 8


dont need either. im a network admin and power user and ive gotten along fine with the start screen...because you dont need it

honestly, if you are using the programs menus that much you are weird. im not saying the touch-centric defaults were a great idea, but the start screen itself is not the problem. pin oft-used programs to the taskbar, pin slightly less often used ones to the start screen, or just type and seach [you know, like you could do in windows 7] and click your button

now, in 8, the defaults were crap. 8.1 introduced some nice and very needed mouse access shortcuts [id kill to have the windows 7 start button right-click like 8.1 and give me the same shortcuts]. it still has some quirks, but the start screen is not it. the photos app being the default photo viewer on a desktop is crap. ditto for videos and music. not having some more visual cues [which 8.1 helps with] was just lazy.

hiding the power button is crap, but they hid the restart button in 7 and i think that was crap, too [talk a user into hitting that teeny arrow by shutdown...they just shutdown. worthless]. honestly, at home, i almost always let updates restart without me getting involved. i do more manual restarts/shutdowns at work, so its a pain there, but the right click in 8.1 on the windows menu is awesome.

i wouldnt go back to 7 if i had to. id much rather have 8.1 right now, and ive been using 8/8.1 for a year or so. i sort of look forward to the 8.1 update next week, but its nto for me, its for my users since we are doing some 8.1 rollouts in an upcoming project.
 
2014-04-03 07:23:44 AM
I don't get the hate.
Windows 8.1 is awesome.

I guess people will be whiny babies about anything.
 
2014-04-03 07:24:46 AM

GardenWeasel: That was the whole point of Metro/Modern, but people biatched, because thats what people do.


If they wanted people to use and like it, then perhaps they should not have made it hideously ugly.
 
2014-04-03 07:27:12 AM

TuteTibiImperes: app is just shorthand for application


I thoughts "apps" were sold through the infrastructure owner's "store", as opposed to "applications", which are delivered via many more avenues.
 
2014-04-03 07:28:17 AM
Seismic activity detected in Redmond

So not funny this week, geologically speaking.
 
2014-04-03 07:32:54 AM
Too little, too late. Go back to the basics.
 
2014-04-03 07:33:29 AM

Honest Bender: I don't get the hate.
Windows 8.1 is awesome.

I guess people will be whiny babies about anything.


I have you Favorited for some reason.   I am strongly reconsidering that right now...
 
2014-04-03 07:34:04 AM
... and please tell me we can disable the live tiles on the new start menu!
 
2014-04-03 07:34:25 AM
Windows 8.x = Obamacare

*runs away*
 
2014-04-03 07:35:10 AM

TuteTibiImperes: I know a lot of people hate the Start Screen, so the return of the start menu will be the big deal for them, but this Universal App idea is the really big new IMO.  Compatibility across phone, tablet, and desktop has been something I've been saying MS should drive for for years, it would be the killer app to really draw people into that ecosystem.  I'd never thought about adding the Xbox into the mix, but hey, why not?

http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/02/microsoft-pushes-universal-apps-t ha t-run-on-everything-windows/


It's amazing how many so-called geeks didn't get what MS were doing when they introduced Metro. Ok, the first attempt could have been done better, but the idea was brilliant. Seamlessly unify people's computing experience across PCs, smart phones, tablets and living-room consoles. One OS to rule them all.

MS be a giant, evil, bureaucratic behemoth, but they aren't stupid. They know what they need to do in the next 20 years to keep their place in the tech world. If they succeed the Apple will never be more than an over-priced fashion statement and Google will have to stick with serving adds and spying on its users.
 
2014-04-03 07:42:56 AM
So should I keep ignoring the "Update to 8.1 for free now!" pop-ups or not? I don't care about the start bar, I figured my way around the start screen easily.
Does it get rid of having things run in the background-background? So I don't have to have my cursor sitting in the corner for 5 minutes to get back to my movie, I can just click on the bar like a normal program? That's all I want changed
 
2014-04-03 07:43:47 AM

LesserEvil: TuteTibiImperes: I know a lot of people hate the Start Screen, so the return of the start menu will be the big deal for them, but this Universal App idea is the really big new IMO.  Compatibility across phone, tablet, and desktop has been something I've been saying MS should drive for for years, it would be the killer app to really draw people into that ecosystem.  I'd never thought about adding the Xbox into the mix, but hey, why not?

http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/02/microsoft-pushes-universal-apps-t ha t-run-on-everything-windows/

Well, I said from the beginning that Metro Apps, running in actual Windows on the desktop (not in tiles or full screen), would be very cool. Basically, Windows 8.1 is finally becoming everything I suggested when the Windows 8 beta reared its ugly Metro head, without the need to get a bunch of third-party apps to kludge back in the proper desktop features.


fark metro
 
2014-04-03 07:44:08 AM

farkeruk: 1. Android is free for all devices
2. I don't want "apps" on my PC. I want either fully-fledged applications that run in a farking window or browser-based applications. The app store on PC is just totally retarted and completely unnecessary and only exists so Microsoft can go "me too" about apps.
3. I've already got Start8, thanks. You want a farking medal for not listening to your beta testers, stonewalling against the protests of the people using it, and then finally seeing sense?

You're a good maker of trucks, and I generally like your stuff. Stop trying to get all the truck drivers to have sports cars, shiat heads.


With the possible exception of AD and Exchange, their trucks suck.
 
2014-04-03 07:46:50 AM
It figures they'd do this after I built my shiny new Windows 7 box.
 
2014-04-03 07:47:23 AM
Penis.
 
2014-04-03 07:50:15 AM

Maul555: Honest Bender: I don't get the hate.
Windows 8.1 is awesome.

I guess people will be whiny babies about anything.

I have you Favorited for some reason.   I am strongly reconsidering that right now...


Pretty sure it's a troll comment...
 
2014-04-03 08:01:22 AM

Parthenogenetic: Windows 8.x = Obamacare

*runs away*


It wishes it was Windows 8.
 
2014-04-03 08:04:04 AM
Windows? Oh, Windows 8. *yawn* Call me when they've pulled the plug on that abortion and come out with something worth using again.
 
2014-04-03 08:06:20 AM
Microsoft should cut the price of their operating systems by half. I'm too lazy to look up the sales data, but it seems like they've had slow adoption of new operating systems since XP.

A hundred bucks seems like a price point that makes people reluctant to upgrade unless they must.
 
2014-04-03 08:10:43 AM
looks better

i need native usb 3.0 support at some point... so i guess i'll upgrade
 
2014-04-03 08:11:58 AM

Bad_Seed: TuteTibiImperes: I know a lot of people hate the Start Screen, so the return of the start menu will be the big deal for them, but this Universal App idea is the really big new IMO.  Compatibility across phone, tablet, and desktop has been something I've been saying MS should drive for for years, it would be the killer app to really draw people into that ecosystem.  I'd never thought about adding the Xbox into the mix, but hey, why not?

http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/02/microsoft-pushes-universal-apps-t ha t-run-on-everything-windows/

It's amazing how many so-called geeks didn't get what MS were doing when they introduced Metro. Ok, the first attempt could have been done better, but the idea was brilliant. Seamlessly unify people's computing experience across PCs, smart phones, tablets and living-room consoles. One OS to rule them all.


We knew. The problem is that the idea is stupid. The same OS for desktop (mouse and keyboard) machines and touch-screen devices? Are they run by low-functioning retards?
 
2014-04-03 08:13:52 AM

Bad_Seed: It's amazing how many so-called geeks didn't get what MS were doing when they introduced Metro. Ok, the first attempt could have been done better, but the idea was brilliant. Seamlessly unify people's computing experience across PCs, smart phones, tablets and living-room consoles. One OS to rule them all.


Oh no, we got it.  What we didn't get is why MS decided that the unified interface system had to use touch-optimized controls and hot zones, things that are completely unsuited towards a desktop OS.  The reason why Metro was a huge failure was not the one-for-all approach so much as what they settled on being good for some devices and absolutely farking awful for others.  Hell, I'll go one step further and say that Metro directly impeded some of the most advantageous aspects of desktop OSes from the last decade.

I have no problem with there being a unified interface across multiple devices.  I do have a problem with it being completely idiotic.  Metro was completely idiotic.
 
2014-04-03 08:14:49 AM

diaphoresis: Don't need a start button from M$. Classic Shell or Start 8


So, even when they give you what you wanted all this time, you are now accustomed to using extra memory running a shell, and won't give it up for the world because: M$.

Did I read you right?

vossiewulf: Much better, but too heavy borders everywhere. Still, I'd consider moving to 8 if they release that and it works.


You do know that the way Windows appears can be changed to look the way you want, including the size of window border, and has been able to do so since, at least, XP?

The options are built into the OS, without the need to get a third party skin, or anything.
 
2014-04-03 08:22:49 AM

Ed Grubermann: The same OS for desktop (mouse and keyboard) machines and touch-screen devices? Are they run by low-functioning retards?


Having the same OS on both desktop and touch-screen devices is just fine. Your gripe is just with their implementation of UI.

/iOS and OS X share the same Unix foundation (i.e. Darwin) - they just both use different UI toolkits.
 
2014-04-03 08:23:29 AM

xSauronx: but the start screen itself is not the problem. pin oft-used programs to the taskbar, pin slightly less often used ones to the start screen, or just type and seach [you know, like you could do in windows 7] and click your button


Exactly!

I have gone through 3 new palms, and 4 faces with the amount of derp surrounding W8.1 Mostly from self-confessed geeks, too.

Geek: stop calling yourself this if W8.1 gave you any real hassle whatsoever. And, if you biched about it online, turn in your mancard, too, you sniffling little baby.

W8.1 is a solid OS.
 
2014-04-03 08:25:42 AM

Maul555: ... and please tell me we can disable the live tiles on the new start menu!


it's been that way since 8.1
 
2014-04-03 08:27:28 AM
Uh. It's your computer. You can configure it anyway you like.
I just showed my chiropractor how to flip his wireless mouse to lefty mode for a free adjustment.
 
2014-04-03 08:31:37 AM

GardenWeasel: That was the whole point of Metro/Modern, but people biatched, because thats what people do.


We biatched because they botched.
 
2014-04-03 08:31:40 AM

doglover: TuteTibiImperes: the killer app to really draw people into that ecosystem

"I'll handle this, Tute. You get back to the farm, shift some paradigms, revolutionize outside the box.

[comedycentral.mtvnimages.com image 480x360]


If you need me, you know where I'll be
 
2014-04-03 08:31:49 AM

uttertosh: xSauronx: but the start screen itself is not the problem. pin oft-used programs to the taskbar, pin slightly less often used ones to the start screen, or just type and seach [you know, like you could do in windows 7] and click your button

Exactly!

I have gone through 3 new palms, and 4 faces with the amount of derp surrounding W8.1 Mostly from self-confessed geeks, too.

Geek: stop calling yourself this if W8.1 gave you any real hassle whatsoever. And, if you biched about it online, turn in your mancard, too, you sniffling little baby.

W8.1 is a solid OS.


So much of this.  There was nothing wrong with it to begin with.
 
2014-04-03 08:33:54 AM

youmightberight: Maul555: Honest Bender: I don't get the hate.
Windows 8.1 is awesome.

I guess people will be whiny babies about anything.

I have you Favorited for some reason.   I am strongly reconsidering that right now...

Pretty sure it's a troll comment...


Nope.  I just recently installed 8.1 on my computer and I love it.
The metro start screen is WAY better than the old start menu.

I really don't know what there is to dislike about win 8.1
It's faster and easier to get to anything I want.
 
2014-04-03 08:35:41 AM

yukichigai: Bad_Seed: It's amazing how many so-called geeks didn't get what MS were doing when they introduced Metro. Ok, the first attempt could have been done better, but the idea was brilliant. Seamlessly unify people's computing experience across PCs, smart phones, tablets and living-room consoles. One OS to rule them all.

Oh no, we got it.  What we didn't get is why MS decided that the unified interface system had to use touch-optimized controls and hot zones, things that are completely unsuited towards a desktop OS.  The reason why Metro was a huge failure was not the one-for-all approach so much as what they settled on being good for some devices and absolutely farking awful for others.  Hell, I'll go one step further and say that Metro directly impeded some of the most advantageous aspects of desktop OSes from the last decade.

I have no problem with there being a unified interface across multiple devices.  I do have a problem with it being completely idiotic.  Metro was completely idiotic.


Built a machine for 8.. got 8.1, installed.... do not like that you  have to establish a MS 'account' to complete the install.. the mail tab would be useful if it would go to my ISP, but seems dedicated to the MS account.. the whole metro thing is tied to MS.. not into cults.. same with FB, Twit, etc...  fark it.. replaced it with 7... wonder what 9 will look like.....
 
2014-04-03 08:38:01 AM

yukichigai: What we didn't get is why MS decided that the unified interface system had to use touch-optimized controls and hot zones, things that are completely unsuited towards a desktop OS.


Oddly enough, I almost never use touch for controlling Windows 8.1 on my machine, almost always default to the touchpad or mouse.
 
2014-04-03 08:42:09 AM

OlderGuy: do not like that you  have to establish a MS 'account' to complete the install


You don't.
 
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