thamike: You're getting into it with somebody who, in all seriousness, claims his tuition was "$400-600-ish per semester" and whose books for 5 or 6 classes cost "a total of $150."
Cyberluddite: I'm not sure it's actually possible to work your way though life with a minimum-wage job, let alone through college.
ManRay: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: What's funny is college is a lot more affordable if you actually try your whole life and get scholarships and a real degree that you can leverage.Whoa there buddy, don't start throwing around ideas like that. This is about the rest of the world owing you something, not what you can do for yourself.
ManRay: I was in college 20 years ago. I had to work to keep myself in school. I was able to survive though, because I was able to do work that paid above minimum wage. If you are not able to do anything but the minimum, then maybe you need to rethink college.
dpzum1: Tigger: I went here and it was free.[www.ctcoxfordshire.org.uk image 460x288]But you know socialisms and whatnot.Free??? Oh, so ridiculous income and sales taxes paid by you and the other people who didn't go there weren't paying for that education?Just because you didn't write them a check, doesn't mean you didn't pay for it./and you actually went to college???/
what_now: Yeah, it can't. I get that it sucks, and that's the worst farking thing, but unless you're at Harvard funds are limited.And a parent choosing not to pay for college vs a parent who has no money and CAN'T pay is not a hard choice.Does it suck that the students are punished? Of course. But if you said "Well, if you're parents won't pay, just let us know" every single parent would say "Uhh..yeah. I'm not paying for that".I've had PLENTY of people tell me "Well, I worked my own way through college, and I want my kid to do the same, so I'm not going to support them" and get annoyed when I say that the school won't support them either.
lilplatinum: If you are working for minimum wage in college you are doing it wrong. Be a competent waiter or bartender or get an office job or sell some farking weed... If all you can find is flipping burgers, maybe you shouldn't be in college in the first place.
Dr Dreidel: ZAZ: ...and that would be true even if minimum wage were $15 per hour. Doubling minimum wage would cut the job hours per credit hour ratio back to the 1993 level. That is when the article said working through school became impractical.Isn't there a pretty obvious trend, where every dollar the state stopped giving their schools has been made up by the students?Like, since 1993 (or whenever), the states reduced funding by $X billion (in 2014 dollars), and tuition's gone up by roughly that same figure?
phaseolus: Hell, that's exactly what I did for the first couple years. Lived at home, took the city bus to school, tuition was $400-600ish per semester and books for 5 or 6 classes cost a total of $150 which seemed really outrageous at the time. Working 20 hours a week in the UWM union snack bar paid for it all.
lilplatinum: Smackledorfer: Now you are just a liar. I expect no less from someone who thinks the solution of un and underemployment is 'everybody wait tables, there is are infinite job openings'.You seriously have a reading comprehension problem or you like to make up things I said. Saying that college kids can realistically get jobs above minimum wage has nothing to do with solutions for un and undermployment, nor were those things you seemingly quoted me saying (with the incorrect marks) ever typed by me in this or any other thread.Also, where am I a liar? Where did you offer any links?
SunsetLament: FizixJunkee: /// professor: the job that lets you choose which 60 hours/week you work.*image link laughing gif*
Cyberluddite: PsiChick: I live an hour away. That's the major problem. Hopefully I'll get enough scholarships to pull it off...What area do you live in?
OgreMagi: Cyberluddite: I'm pretty sure that no place is more symptomatic of that than California, especially after Prop 13 passed in 1979.Ah. Another person who blames everything on prop 13. I guess you haven't figured out that California has some of the highest overall taxes in the entire country, despite the caps on property taxes. Also, property taxes were primarily a LOCAL (county) revenue source while our state universities are funded through the state budget.
PsiChick: You did that at UNR?! Holy farking shiat I'm getting ripped off./Hoping to head there in the fall//Not sure I'll be able to afford it
SunsetLament: I love how all the liberals who hate Big Business ran at light speed (seriously, all I saw was a lightning bolt, kinda like the Flash) to defend college professors making 100k a year. Very principled.
ikanreed: Does anyone else smell plutocracy?
SunsetLament: Best Princess Celestia: Maybe people should look at the cost of college instead of the common college jobs.This. The higher education industry (Big School) is just as "evil" as all the other big businesses liberals rail on and on about constantly. They convinced the country that if you don't go to college, you can't get a "good" job. And now that everyone is convinced you can't exist in society without a college education, they have raised the costs of attending college through the roof. College professors who work twice a week for two hours are making the same as cops and firemen. You want to know the root cause of the problem? There you go.
AngryDragon: The Goat Men Are Rampaging In The Fields: Obviously there are outliers, but people teaching college who are starting their careers now are definitely not people to be jealous of or angry withFair enough. So exactly where the hell is all that money going?
redmid17: If you think you are in the grey area between gen x and gen y, it's about 99% certain that you are gen y.
AngryDragon: SunsetLament: I love how all the liberals who hate Big Business ran at light speed (seriously, all I saw was a lightning bolt, kinda like the Flash) to defend college professors making 100k a year. Very principled.This irritates me as well.
what_now: You've just graduated from HS, where presumably, you lived with your parents. Now you're going to college. How would you propose that we "prove" that the parents won't support the student any longer?
what_now: lilplatinum: 18 year olds are adults in the eyes of law the law, why should their need be gauged by their farking parents income if their parents are not giving it to them?Ok.Let's do that. Let's give Pell Grants based on the income of an 18 year old.That kid who worked two jobs in school to help pay the rent? He's too rich for a grant.The kid who's never worked a day in his life? Well, he's below the poverty line. Free money for him!!
lilplatinum: 18 year olds are adults in the eyes of law the law, why should their need be gauged by their farking parents income if their parents are not giving it to them?
FitzShivering: I even had a letter from one of my parents explaining they weren't going to contribute anything and couldn't, but didn't matter to the aid folks.
Dancin_In_Anson: The world needs ditch diggers too.
lilplatinum: FitzShivering: Also, for you bootstrappy people, you may be interested to note that if you work really hard and save your money to be able to afford things, your financial aid will be decreased by a certain factor of what you earned, insuring you end up with loans.Must be nice to have it in the first place, my parents only support to me was pay for my health insurance for about 9 months when I couldn't. Despite the fact that I was only my own and not a dependent on their taxes, their income still precluded me from financial aid.
Cyberluddite: As far as the student loan thing goes, I refuse to pay--or to have my kid pay--interest to those bloodsucking leeches (at least for undergrad)
Ow! That was my feelings!: As someone in college 20 years ago. BULLSHIAT. You couldn't survive just on minimum wage back then either.
SunsetLament: College professors who work twice a week for two hours are making the same as cops and firemen.
waterrockets: I didn't have too much trouble with my $20/hr software engineering internship in 1994. YMMV.
Best Princess Celestia: Maybe people should look at the cost of college instead of the common college jobs.
Cyberluddite: phaseolus: Hell, that's exactly what I did for the first couple years. Lived at home, took the city bus to school, tuition was $400-600ish per semester and books for 5 or 6 classes cost a total of $150 which seemed really outrageous at the time. Working 20 hours a week in the UWM union snack bar paid for it all.Then you weren't exactly supporting yourself on a minimum wage job, unless perhaps you were paying rent to your parents (at the full market rental value), not using any of the electricity/heat/etc. that they paid for, and not eating any of their food.
thamike: You're getting into it with somebody who, in all seriousness, claims his tuition was "$400-600-ish per semester" and whose books for 5 or 6 classes cost "a total of $150."You might as well be arguing with a plantain.
Three Crooked Squirrels: Cyberluddite: I have a kid who's going to start college in 2 years. I'm really not liking these numbers at all.I have an 8-month old. Think of how scary this trend is to me!
tallguywithglasseson: phaseolus: Hell, that's exactly what I did for the first couple years. Lived at home, took the city bus to school, tuition was $400-600ish per semesterIn case you were curious, tuition is approx. $4,700 per semester at UWM now.
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