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2014-04-02 07:28:29 PM  
RanDomino:

It's not that they think they're going to get rich. It's that they've staked out a little slice of the world which is theirs, which they consider qualitatively no different from those who have far more. If work = money then money = work, so they deserve it, right? Also, they have been manipulated in their self-defining roles as providers who always pay their debts and never complain, which are all admirable in theory.

I think that nearly everybody who actually works for a living feels that way.

What I mean by "trailer park objectivist" is a bit different.  I mean somebody who really thinks they're better than the other people in the trailer park who work for a living just because they're meaner and won't give a dime to help other people.  The delusional people who think that, by watching the crummy 1949 Gary Cooper version of "The Fountainhead", they're practically just moments away from being the next Koch suckers or Bill Gates of Hell.

They're kin to what I call the "libertarian uncle" that many families seem to have.  You might know the type--they're moderately rich by screwing their employees and being pathetically miserly.  They've never spent a penny helping out those less fortunate, never bought a birthday card or present for anybody, and the only reason they show up at family reunions is to avail themselves of the free food.  If you're foolish enough to get into a chat with a libertarian uncle, they'll spend the next five hours browbeating you about how they're so much farking better than everybody else and how the world should be run by the rules of Saint Ayn the Rabid*.

*Didn't she end up on Medicare or something like that in her old age?  Farking hypocrite...
 
2014-04-02 07:35:54 PM  
This planet is so farked I found myself rooting for bank robbers in northern ireland earlier this morning. That's how farking farked I see this place right now.
 
2014-04-02 07:42:42 PM  

stir22: i love it.

the entire country just got screwed by a bunch of lawyers, and you all act surprised.

/Shakespeare was right


Not quite. Had he witnessed the 2008 meltdown, he'd probably amend that quote to "Let's kill all the bankers."
 
2014-04-02 07:46:36 PM  
And now that I'm on a roll--and my dial-up is taking pathetically long to download porn--I want to rip further on a couple of tools of the plutocrats.

First is Ayn Rand.  It's ironic that Glenn Beck worships her because Rand was one of those militant atheists who actively mocked believers--she even ripped on her religious Jewish relatives who got her out of the Soviet Union.  Of course, Beck's version of Christianity is the fascist health-n-wealth triumphalist false Christianity that goes 180-degrees counter to the stuff Jesus said, so I guess it's not too incompatible with Objectivism.  Basically she was a mean-spirited meth addict (take that, you drug war Nazis) and her concept of 'thinking for yourself' is synonymous with 'believe everything I tell you'.  And she sucked at the teat of the welfare state (IIRC it was Medicare or something like that) in her old age.  Finally, she was a ponderous, terrible writer--I'm a hard-core reader who will try to finish any book I read, but of the 5 or 6 books I simply couldn't finish, she has the distinction of having written two of them.

Then there's Herbert Spencer, the guy who started the idea of "social Darwinism".  You'd expect that an asshole with such a brutal political theory would be just another billionaire industrialist, but he wasn't.  No, he was just another tiresome pseudo-intellectual who lived under impoverished means and was too stupid or insane to realize that if the weak and powerless were left to starve to death, he'd be among the first to go.

Finally, I used to be sympathetic to the whole Libertarian Party thing but then I had an 'a-ha' moment.  I was going to the Libertarian Party booth at the Minnesota State Fair when I noticed something peculiar.  Every one of the 4-5 people in the booth had a very oppressive sneer--it was so palpable that I noticed it despite being sympathetic at the time.  Hell, I'd swear that they spent an hour a day looking at a picture of St. Ayn and practicing their sneers.  Exactly the kind of sneer you'd expect out of an insecure asshole who thinks that libertarianism will make his dick grow by three sizes.  I'd love to see these pricks show their faces (and sneers) at a neighborhood bar--I'd take bets on how long it would be before they got their butts kicked.

I'm still a strong civil libertarian, but I think that civil libertarianism and financial libertarianism are actually contradictory.  Why?  Because if some greedball thinks he can make money by banning marijuana or gay sex, you can kiss your civil liberties goodbye.  Hell, the only way to guarantee civil liberties is to systematically put bullets through the heads of greedball blue-nosers...
 
2014-04-02 07:49:13 PM  
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2014-04-02 07:49:57 PM  

Psycat: And now that I'm on a roll--and my dial-up is taking pathetically long to download porn--I want to rip further on a couple of tools of the plutocrats.

First is Ayn Rand.  It's ironic that Glenn Beck worships her because Rand was one of those militant atheists who actively mocked believers--she even ripped on her religious Jewish relatives who got her out of the Soviet Union.  Of course, Beck's version of Christianity is the fascist health-n-wealth triumphalist false Christianity that goes 180-degrees counter to the stuff Jesus said, so I guess it's not too incompatible with Objectivism.  Basically she was a mean-spirited meth addict (take that, you drug war Nazis) and her concept of 'thinking for yourself' is synonymous with 'believe everything I tell you'.  And she sucked at the teat of the welfare state (IIRC it was Medicare or something like that) in her old age.  Finally, she was a ponderous, terrible writer--I'm a hard-core reader who will try to finish any book I read, but of the 5 or 6 books I simply couldn't finish, she has the distinction of having written two of them.

Then there's Herbert Spencer, the guy who started the idea of "social Darwinism".  You'd expect that an asshole with such a brutal political theory would be just another billionaire industrialist, but he wasn't.  No, he was just another tiresome pseudo-intellectual who lived under impoverished means and was too stupid or insane to realize that if the weak and powerless were left to starve to death, he'd be among the first to go.

Finally, I used to be sympathetic to the whole Libertarian Party thing but then I had an 'a-ha' moment.  I was going to the Libertarian Party booth at the Minnesota State Fair when I noticed something peculiar.  Every one of the 4-5 people in the booth had a very oppressive sneer--it was so palpable that I noticed it despite being sympathetic at the time.  Hell, I'd swear that they spent an hour a day looking at a picture of St. Ayn and practicing their sneers.  Ex ...


Libertarian = Conservative who really loves toking up.
 
2014-04-02 07:52:52 PM  

Psycat: I know of the type of people of whom you speak.  I call them "trailer-park objectivists"


Jesus, I didn't know there was an actual name fro the psychosis
 
2014-04-02 07:58:38 PM  

EyeballKid: what_now: Jesus Christ. These justices should dress like NASCAR drivers.

Fark that. Put'em in 8-inch heels and mini-skirts like the whores they are.

stuffy: Not a new Idea but perhaps overdue.

SFSailor: / I'd settle for NASCAR outfits for all politicians, but I'm a dreamer

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2014-04-02 08:01:26 PM  
Bith Set Me Up:
Libertarian = Conservative who really loves toking up.

I've known a few libertarians of that ilk and find them to be mostly decent people.

There's another type, though, that I find to be nasty.  IIRC, Ronald Raygun considered himself to be something of a libertarian.  Of course, if somebody sparked a doob in front of Raygun, he would have turned into a farking Drug Nazi faster than you can say "hypocritical shiathead".  Those are the people who are very libertarian when it comes to hiring illegal immigrants, dumping toxic waste, forcing their fascist form of Christianity on others, and owning a lot of guns.  However, spark a doob, engage in gay sex, or be a Freethinker, and those quasi-libertarians will turn into authoritarian dickheads faster than you can say "authoritarian dickheads"...
 
2014-04-02 08:05:03 PM  

Mugato: Psycat: I know of the type of people of whom you speak.  I call them "trailer-park objectivists"

Jesus, I didn't know there was an actual name fro the psychosis


There's a cure for that particular psychosis--put two bullets through their head and call a mortician in the morning :)  Seriously, I just laugh at them--they're to be pitied as much as the street-corner preacher who thinks he's the Second Coming of Zeus or something like that...
 
2014-04-02 08:13:28 PM  
Only Dead Presidents Vote

"Presidential pictures in green
Get fed to the money machine...
Only dead presidents vote, it's true,
And they don't vote for me and you."
 
2014-04-02 08:55:00 PM  
This is a great victory for the US election industry.  Now even more $millions can be spent on our elections, creating thousands of jobs.  The actual impact on elections is still to be determined.  i doubt it will be positive but at some point the spending becomes so great that the result is diminishing returns.  You may not even see more commercials, etc... but the cost will be driven up and the little contributor will be even more marginalized.  In the end it will be cheaper to just straight out buy the votes.
 
2014-04-02 09:13:39 PM  
But sure as fark dont blame the two party system.  And if you vote third party you are just throwing away your vote; right?

farking idiots.  Democracies deserve their leaders.
 
2014-04-02 09:17:14 PM  
All men are created equal, some are more equal than other$.
 
2014-04-02 09:18:00 PM  

sendtodave: Warlordtrooper: sendtodave: This thread moves fast.  I'll use big font.

There is no government system ever conceived where the rich don't have more power than everyone else. It's impossible, since money is power.  Why are we shocked, shocked that this is the case?

I don't think its shock,  We know that's the case but we want a system where money and power have nothing to do with each other.

Addendum:  who is "we?"

Who wants a system where money doesn't equal power?

Those with no money or power.  Obviously.

How will people with no money or power change the world?  Other than following someone with money and power, I mean?


Either non-violent protest à  la Gandhi or Martin Luther King, or maybe some kind of violent protest, or even revolution, I suppose.  Isn't that usually how it happens when disenfranchised people desperately want change?

Not that I expect things in the USA to get that bad anytime soon, and hopefully not ever.  I might expect something like Occupy Wall Street to happen again, maybe.
 
2014-04-02 09:19:02 PM  

RanDomino: suebhoney: All I can do is VOTE.
Bullshiat. You can organize. You can protest. You can advertise boycotts. You can start alternative economic projects. You can do a million things that have far more effect than voting.


But I can't hire a person to pay the politicians to do what I want them to do (lobbying) after they get elected.
That politician may not stay in office after one term if they piss enough people off, but if I can get what I want from them for my money, I'm satisfied. Also, where I can only influence my politician once per term by threatening their job. the lobbyist can influence them five days a week.
 
2014-04-02 09:20:26 PM  

Frederick: But sure as fark dont blame the two party system.  And if you vote third party you are just throwing away your vote; right?


Well, aren't you? Unless you want to split the vote in some way (Perot).
 
2014-04-02 09:23:05 PM  

RanDomino: Bullshiat. You can organize. You can protest. You can advertise boycotts. You can start alternative economic projects. You can do a million things that have far more effect than voting.


Yeah, occupy wall street really changed the world.
 
2014-04-02 09:23:42 PM  
I knew all those people from Pluto would screw up things.
 
2014-04-02 09:29:56 PM  

ciberido:  Gandhi or Martin Luther King, or maybe some kind of violent protest, or even revolution, I suppose.  Isn't that usually how it happens when disenfranchised people desperately want change? hopefully not ever.  I might expect something like Occupy Wall Street to happen again, maybe.


Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi was born third son to a wealthy Hindu family.  His father, Karamchand Gandhi, was a high-ranking official of the regional government.

When King was 15, and again when he was 18, he worked summers harvesting tobacco in Simsbury, Connecticut, not far from Hartford. His experience as a middle-class son of a prominent black family from Atlanta's prosperous "Sweet" Auburn Avenue performing menial labor in Yankee territory helped shape his future.

Both grew up in upper middle class.  But, it's true, if there ever is a revolution, it'll likely be the 2% against the 1%, with 98% picking one side or the other.  I guess that's kinda the point.
 
2014-04-02 09:34:35 PM  
Im moving to the Chicago Imperrium.
 
2014-04-02 09:36:23 PM  

Mugato: RanDomino: Bullshiat. You can organize. You can protest. You can advertise boycotts. You can start alternative economic projects. You can do a million things that have far more effect than voting.

Yeah, occupy wall street really changed the world.


Occupy Wall Street was just another exercise in futility.  I'm convinced that revolutions don't change anything at all.

For starters, anybody foolish enough to start a revolution that *really* threatens the people in power are risking certain death.  Then there's the "Pinkerton men", working-class goons hired to beat the shiat out of working-class people who dare to organize.  (BTW, I think the South-African practice of "necklacing" is a good way to handle class traitors.)

What's worst about revolutions is that they might actually succeed.  Then you discover that, according to the Who, that the "new boss is the same as the old boss".  A Cubana woman I knew hated Castro not because he was a Commie, but because he was a hypocritical millionaire who owned a mansion.  In the glorious worker's paradise of the USSR, the 3% in the Communist Party lived much better lives than the proles.  And the ironically-named People's Republic of China is producing lots of billionaire industrialists.

No, you have to fight these farking bastards where it hurts.  Since the plutocrats depend on use peasants far, far more than we depend on them, there's only one way to destroy them and that's to limit our own numbers.  It's happening, too.  The birth rate around the world is plummeting--you won't see much in the media, though, as this is the one thing that actually scares the hell out of the Murdochs of the world.  And what little you do see of the "birth dearth", "baby boycott" or whatever you call it in the media is more-or-less a scare piece to fool use proles into cranking out more future worker drones.  We're in the middle of the biggest demographic upheaval ever, but nobody except those in power seem to understand this.

Getting a snip job is the most potent tool we have.  Not only will sterilization make your life easier, you'll have more money, and you won't have to apologize to your kids for bringing them up in an increasingly plutocratic world...
 
2014-04-02 09:47:23 PM  

Teiritzamna: But if you, like the framers, believed that protected expressive conduct also includes making signs, paying someone to print broadsheets, and the like, than you agree with the Court on that point.


Wouldn't the natural counter to that be the implicit assumption that the framers did not intend their rules to be all encompassing absolutes, and therefore warrant regulation in areas of compelling interest (like calling for the assassination of the President), no matter the position in the Constitution?

Because to have arbitrary distinctions on one amendment while not on others seems to be an extremely poor way to interpret laws.
 
2014-04-02 09:51:39 PM  

Psycat: The birth rate around the world is plummeting--you won't see much in the media, though, as this is the one thing that actually scares the hell out of the Murdochs of the world


Right, that's why no one can find a job, including college graduates. The number of employees is dangerously low.

Maybe when the baby boomers finally retire.
 
2014-04-02 10:02:43 PM  
Lot of unwashed hippies in this thread.
 
2014-04-02 10:09:49 PM  

Road Rash: Regardless of how much money is spent in politics, money won't actually, literally buy votes unless the electorate decides to let their vote be bought. George Soros could spend 2 billion dollars over the next two years, and he probably will, but it won't mean a thing if people decide they don't want to vote what he stands for.


So money spent on advertising is wasted?  Commercials actually do nothing whatsoever to convince viewers/listeners to buy products?  Is that what you're saying?
 
2014-04-02 10:10:48 PM  

Loadmaster: Well, it used to be that "speech" meant just that, actual spoken speech. That is, until the liberals got a hold of it and changed it to mean "any action that can be construed as having a political overtone".


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2014-04-02 10:18:56 PM  

Mugato: Psycat: The birth rate around the world is plummeting--you won't see much in the media, though, as this is the one thing that actually scares the hell out of the Murdochs of the world

Right, that's why no one can find a job, including college graduates. The number of employees is dangerously low.

Maybe when the baby boomers finally retire.


Hunh?  If the number of employees is dangerously low relative to the job market, wouldn't that lead to a surplus of jobs?

Second, the birth rates really are plummeting--just Google "falling fertility rates", "birth dearth", or similar topics and you'll see a ton of articles on the subject.  Fertility rates in South Korea, Singapore, Germany, Italy, and Japan are just slightly above 1 kid per woman; in America, it just fell below the 2.1 kids-per-woman replacement rate; and even in countries like Mexico, Brazil and India, it's fallen to just above replacement level.
 
2014-04-02 10:19:20 PM  

ciberido: So money spent on advertising is wasted?  Commercials actually do nothing whatsoever to convince viewers/listeners to buy products?  Is that what you're saying?


Yeah, 2bill on "commercials". Are you Rick Scott?
 
2014-04-02 10:21:31 PM  

Psycat: Hunh?  If the number of employees is dangerously low relative to the job market, wouldn't that lead to a surplus of jobs?


Yes, how many decades are we talking about here?
 
2014-04-02 10:27:25 PM  

Mugato: Psycat: Hunh?  If the number of employees is dangerously low relative to the job market, wouldn't that lead to a surplus of jobs?

Yes, how many decades are we talking about here?


I really don't follow your reasoning.  If "nobody can find a job, including college graduates", doesn't that indicate too many job seekers relative to the market--and doesn't that also contradict "number of employees is dangerously low" which indicates too few job seekers?  Do you realize that your two statements contradict each other?
 
2014-04-02 10:31:35 PM  

Serious Black: So how about this idea?

1) All contributions to a candidate's campaign must be made through a secret donation booth, i.e. the candidate cannot find out who gave them money or what amount of money they gave to them.
2) Informing a candidate that you gave a non-zero sum of money to their campaign is a felony.


I like your idea.  It should at least make donations more about supporting a particular candidate and less like bribes.
 
2014-04-02 10:38:03 PM  

Psycat: I really don't follow your reasoning.  If "nobody can find a job, including college graduates", doesn't that indicate too many job seekers relative to the market--and doesn't that also contradict "number of employees is dangerously low" which indicates too few job seekers?  Do you realize that your two statements contradict each other?


Your posts are confusing. I don't know if you're saying this dis decrease in population will be better for the job market or if you're posing a hypothetical.
 
2014-04-02 10:44:30 PM  

Mugato: Psycat: I really don't follow your reasoning.  If "nobody can find a job, including college graduates", doesn't that indicate too many job seekers relative to the market--and doesn't that also contradict "number of employees is dangerously low" which indicates too few job seekers?  Do you realize that your two statements contradict each other?

Your posts are confusing. I don't know if you're saying this dis decrease in population will be better for the job market or if you're posing a hypothetical.


I don't recall writing anything about how the "baby bust" is going to directly affect the job market.  I think you're reading things into my posts that aren't there.
 
2014-04-02 10:45:26 PM  

Pharmdawg: Irving Maimway: dr_blasto: Well, we've gotta ensure that the really wealthy and already really powerful don't get upset. They've worked hard for their money, they deserve more speech than you. Paris Hilton is more American than you, you silly serf.

Or being a Dupont heir helps you get probation when you are found guilty of raping a three year old.

Please tell me you are making an exaggerated joke in poor taste.


I wish it were a joke, but no, it's real.
 
2014-04-02 10:49:43 PM  

AgentPothead: This is a downward slope people, it's been obvious to everybody paying attention and hasn't had their head stuffed up their own ass watching reality television.


Wait until boosterspice becomes available, but at a price only the very rich can afford.

/Then the organ banks.
 
2014-04-02 10:52:55 PM  

ciberido: Pharmdawg: Irving Maimway: dr_blasto: Well, we've gotta ensure that the really wealthy and already really powerful don't get upset. They've worked hard for their money, they deserve more speech than you. Paris Hilton is more American than you, you silly serf.

Or being a Dupont heir helps you get probation when you are found guilty of raping a three year old.

Please tell me you are making an exaggerated joke in poor taste.

I wish it were a joke, but no, it's real.


I vaguely recall that some tobacco scion who was filthy rich beat a black woman to death with a toy bat back in the 1960s in, I think, Virginia while drunk.  Take a wild guess as to the outcome of his murder trial.  IIRC, Bob Dylan wrote a song about this.

Then there's Ethan Couch who recently killed four people and crippled a couple more in a drunken crash in Texas.  There was an absurd trial in which his slimeball lawyers argued that he was a victim of "affluenza" which was backed up by a quack of a psychologist who claimed that "affluenza" was a real disease.  The corrupt judge ended up sentencing him to two years at a rehab facility in California that's far swankier than any hotel we Farkers will ever stay in.

History's full of examples like this.  Consider Erszebet (sp?) Bartoly, a Hungarian countess who tortured hundreds of servant girls to death and whose 'punishment' was to be locked up in her castle for the last thee years of her life.

That's the Golden Rule.  Those who have the gold make the rules...
 
2014-04-02 11:14:12 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Wouldn't the natural counter to that be the implicit assumption that the framers did not intend their rules to be all encompassing absolutes, and therefore warrant regulation in areas of compelling interest (like calling for the assassination of the President), no matter the position in the Constitution?


Well that would be the reasonable next step, but that was not the principle being addressed.  The statement i was addressing was that "money is not speech." I was explaining that while that syllogism is of course not true, it is true that the expenditure of funds in the furtherance of expression is protected.

What you discuss is the second question, i.e. if we are confronted with an activity that encompasses protected expression, when can the government regulate it.  There is long and deep jurisprudence explaining exactly when the government's various compelling interests can trump the protections of the first amendment, and I did not mean to imply that it didn't apply here.  In fact i discuss in many other places in this thread that exact intersection.
 
2014-04-02 11:30:46 PM  

Psycat: That's the Golden Rule.  Those who have the gold make the rules...


But, you see, it's not supposed to be that way.  Even though it's always been that way.

Because reasons.  And America!
 
2014-04-02 11:38:34 PM  

ciberido: Road Rash: Regardless of how much money is spent in politics, money won't actually, literally buy votes unless the electorate decides to let their vote be bought. George Soros could spend 2 billion dollars over the next two years, and he probably will, but it won't mean a thing if people decide they don't want to vote what he stands for.

So money spent on advertising is wasted?  Commercials actually do nothing whatsoever to convince viewers/listeners to buy products?  Is that what you're saying?


That's standard Fark wisdom.

You see, corporations hand over billions of dollars each year -- enough to fund the salaries of every TV star, newscaster, reporter, gaffer, stunt-man, sandwich cart, sound technician, editor, writer, producer, director, composer, set crews, CGI technicians, along with all of the equipment and site-rental fees, for every television show on all of the hundreds of channels, then spend millions and millions more tracking our behavior and opinions, putting us in fMRI and PET scanners to see how our brains respond to various advertising stimulus, and use all of that data to create advertisements, and it's all for nothing because advertising doesn't work.
 
2014-04-02 11:44:41 PM  

sendtodave: Psycat: That's the Golden Rule.  Those who have the gold make the rules...

But, you see, it's not supposed to be that way.  Even though it's always been that way.

Because reasons.  And America!


Wasn't it Frederick Douglass who said something along the lines of whatever amount of oppression you're willing to tolerate is exactly the amount of oppression you'll get?

People in power are abusive because the other 99.99% of us don't hang enough of them.  Most because we/they are too busy trying to make ends meet to have the time to follow politics.  Some because we/they are too busy doing fun stuff like drugs or sex to care.  And a lot of it is because there's plenty of sycophants and Pinkerton Men who will do the dirty work of the ruling classes in exchange for their proverbial 30 pieces of silver...
 
2014-04-02 11:46:31 PM  
And yet, The Dems outraised the GOP by a significant margin in 2012.  So much Liberal outrage, indeed....
 
2014-04-02 11:48:07 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: ciberido: Road Rash: Regardless of how much money is spent in politics, money won't actually, literally buy votes unless the electorate decides to let their vote be bought. George Soros could spend 2 billion dollars over the next two years, and he probably will, but it won't mean a thing if people decide they don't want to vote what he stands for.

So money spent on advertising is wasted?  Commercials actually do nothing whatsoever to convince viewers/listeners to buy products?  Is that what you're saying?

That's standard Fark wisdom.

You see, corporations hand over billions of dollars each year -- enough to fund the salaries of every TV star, newscaster, reporter, gaffer, stunt-man, sandwich cart, sound technician, editor, writer, producer, director, composer, set crews, CGI technicians, along with all of the equipment and site-rental fees, for every television show on all of the hundreds of channels, then spend millions and millions more tracking our behavior and opinions, putting us in fMRI and PET scanners to see how our brains respond to various advertising stimulus, and use all of that data to create advertisements, and it's all for nothing because advertising doesn't work.


It only works on stupid people.

Fark:  The rich elites shouldn't have the power.  And stupid common people shouldn't have the power.  Only we, the creamy middle, should have the power.

It's kinda like libertarians.  They hate authoritarians mainly because they think that they should be the ones in charge.
 
2014-04-02 11:52:49 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: So money spent on advertising is wasted?  Commercials actually do nothing whatsoever to convince viewers/listeners to buy products?  Is that what you're saying?


That's standard Fark wisdom.


That's not anyone's saying at all.
 
2014-04-03 12:03:13 AM  

Mugato: Lenny_da_Hog: So money spent on advertising is wasted?  Commercials actually do nothing whatsoever to convince viewers/listeners to buy products?  Is that what you're saying?


That's standard Fark wisdom.

That's not anyone's saying at all.


Well, except for every time the power of advertising is brought up in a thread.
 
2014-04-03 12:15:14 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Mugato: Lenny_da_Hog: So money spent on advertising is wasted?  Commercials actually do nothing whatsoever to convince viewers/listeners to buy products?  Is that what you're saying?


That's standard Fark wisdom.

That's not anyone's saying at all.

Well, except for every time the power of advertising is brought up in a thread.


It doesn't even have to do with advertising. Florida Governor Rick Scot spent $85 million - including more than $73 million of his own family's money - into getting elected. His opponent, $17.5. I didn't see any more Scoot advertising than his opponent's. All that money didn't go into TV commercials.
 
2014-04-03 12:24:26 AM  

Psycat: That's the Golden Rule. Those who have the gold make the rules...


Please dont propagate this sentiment.  I know people who believe this actually is the "Golden Rule".

/it's not even correct in the context used
 
2014-04-03 12:25:49 AM  
The liberals on the Supreme Court are legalizing corruption.
 
2014-04-03 12:31:04 AM  

sendtodave: It's kinda like libertarians. They hate authoritarians mainly because they think that they should be the ones in charge


I dont think this holds up either.  Unless you are using some made up definition of libertarian.  By definition libertarianism is the opposite of authoritarianism.

Therefor if a "libertarian" dislikes authoritarianism only because they themselves are not the authority then they are not libertarian but actually authoritarian.  You should correct those fake libertarians.
 
2014-04-03 12:32:18 AM  

Mugato: Lenny_da_Hog: Mugato: Lenny_da_Hog: So money spent on advertising is wasted?  Commercials actually do nothing whatsoever to convince viewers/listeners to buy products?  Is that what you're saying?


That's standard Fark wisdom.

That's not anyone's saying at all.

Well, except for every time the power of advertising is brought up in a thread.

It doesn't even have to do with advertising. Florida Governor Rick Scot spent $85 million - including more than $73 million of his own family's money - into getting elected. His opponent, $17.5. I didn't see any more Scoot advertising than his opponent's. All that money didn't go into TV commercials.


You are the only person I've ever seen say that.
 
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