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(WUWM Milwaukee)   NPR is shocked, shocked I say to find that the largest religious TV network in America that calls itself a church is lying to its viewers about how much of the money goes where   (wuwm.com) divider line 61
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2014-04-02 09:56:11 AM  
so this guy is taking the tax free money and using it to pay his bills? I for one am shocked!
 
2014-04-02 10:08:07 AM  
Every day he throws the money up into the air.
God takes His and preacher keeps the rest.
 
2014-04-02 10:11:47 AM  
Nobody should be shocked about this anymore. This has been going on since Jim & Tammy-Faye.
 
2014-04-02 10:25:18 AM  

kid_icarus: Nobody should be shocked about this anymore. This has been going on since Jim & Tammy-Faye.


Been going on a hell of a lot longer than that.
 
2014-04-02 10:26:34 AM  

kid_icarus: Nobody should be shocked about this anymore. This has been going on since Jim & Tammy-Faye.


This has been gong on since some caveman realized he could make a tidy living and have lots of power by claiming to have exclusive access to the ear of Big Mugwug.
 
2014-04-02 10:27:41 AM  
If a charity / church won't open the books, take your money elsewhere. Period.

/getting a kick, in NFP finance
 
2014-04-02 10:32:35 AM  

MrBallou: kid_icarus: Nobody should be shocked about this anymore. This has been going on since Jim & Tammy-Faye.

This has been gong on since some caveman realized he could make a tidy living and have lots of power by claiming to have exclusive access to the ear of Big Mugwug.


Yup, and along the way chumps on both sides of the altar really bought into it. Must be a great gig though, selling admission to the afterlife.
 
2014-04-02 11:01:12 AM  
They found a loophole and are exploiting it.

Time to close the loophole.
 
2014-04-02 11:25:24 AM  
Want to work for the Daystar media network?   Better make sure you are Christian.
 
2014-04-02 11:31:55 AM  

make me some tea: They found a loophole and are exploiting it.

Time to close the loophole.


How much money are we talking here?
Revoke all tax exemption, for all flavors?
I have a feeling this is not chump change.

anybody check w/ the Jews on this?
 
2014-04-02 11:32:12 AM  

make me some tea: They found a loophole and are exploiting it.

Time to close the loophole.


I completely agree with this. Daystar is nothing like the small church down the street that has to hold a bake sale to fix the leaky roof.
 
2014-04-02 11:33:47 AM  
The Venn Diagram of "People who send little Clovis' refrigerator college money to Daystar" and "People who fervently believe that NPR gets more taxpayer dollars than General Dynamics" bears a suspicious resemblance to the Japanese flag.
 
2014-04-02 11:35:16 AM  
"When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obligated to call for help of the civil power, it's a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one."- Benjamin Franklin


/oblig.
 
2014-04-02 11:37:45 AM  
Religion is a scam.  Alert Ric Romero.
 
2014-04-02 11:38:58 AM  

Nabb1: make me some tea: They found a loophole and are exploiting it.

Time to close the loophole.

I completely agree with this. Daystar is nothing like the small church down the street that has to hold a bake sale to fix the leaky roof.


You are correct. If "the small church down the street" raises more money from the sale than is required to fix the leaky roof, a small but measurable chance exists that the church will use the excess money to provide food or shelter to greedy moochers who are too lazy to find a job. No such risk exists when donating money to Daystar.
 
2014-04-02 11:40:11 AM  
I just don't understand why a NFP anything wouldn't STILL have to produce full disclosure about where any monies they take in go, regardless of any 'breaks' they are entitled to.

But I'm neither an accountant nor a tax professional, so I'm doomed to remain confused.
 
2014-04-02 11:41:01 AM  

clancifer: Want to work for the Daystar media network?   Better make sure you are Christian.


Makes sense. They're considered a non-profit religious institution. They have the right to discriminate based on religion.
 
2014-04-02 11:41:27 AM  
Jesus.
 
2014-04-02 11:41:28 AM  
And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray on AM radio and on cable television to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.
 
2014-04-02 11:43:23 AM  
The IRS needs to have some stones and go after these so-called 'churches', since the only people they are actually helping are the owners.

Tax the farkers.
 
2014-04-02 11:44:01 AM  

kid_icarus: Nobody should be shocked about this anymore. This has been going on since Jim & Tammy-Faye

religion

Mankind learned early how to make an easy living off of the gullibility of others
 
2014-04-02 11:44:53 AM  
I watch a lot of religious programming because I find it hilarious. Honestly, if you cannot tell that this network is a massive con you're so dumb that you'd just piss away your money on something else if it went away.
 
2014-04-02 11:46:46 AM  

clancifer: Want to work for the Daystar media network?   Better make sure you are Christian.


Just to emphasize what they say:

As a ministry, Daystar reserves the right to discriminate based on religious beliefs(1). Daystar also reserves the right to end the assignment of any individual that appears to conflict with the beliefs or guidelines of Daystar.
 
2014-04-02 11:52:31 AM  

AurizenDarkstar: The IRS needs to have some stones and go after these so-called 'churches', since the only people they are actually helping are the owners.

Tax the farkers.


And the political ones, too.

Be as anti-abortion as you can be in your little church, hate the gays with the fiery passion of a thousand suns - but the second you add "...and that's why you should/should not vote for Shkenaidel*", start paying taxes, as you've exited "church" and entered "state" (of, if you prefer, you've exited "God's realm" and entered "Caesar's palace").

*I think current law (weak as it is) only prohibits statements in support of a candidate, but I think naming a candidate should be the threshhold. Dunno if you noticed, but we have lots of 2-candidate races these days.
 
2014-04-02 11:54:23 AM  

scottydoesntknow: clancifer: Want to work for the Daystar media network?   Better make sure you are Christian.

Makes sense. They're considered a non-profit religious institution. They have the right to discriminate based on religion.


They do not have a church or carry out "regular services" as the tax code prescribes. It looks a whole lot more like a TV network with a religion focus.
 
2014-04-02 11:58:04 AM  
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"If Jesus came back and saw what was being done in his name, he'd never stop throwing up."
 
2014-04-02 11:59:28 AM  

From Philly to Boston: If a charity / church won't open the books, take your money elsewhere. Period.

/getting a kick, in NFP finance


Let's just say that the people whose primary outlet for charity is religious aren't the most carefully critical in their analysis.
 
2014-04-02 12:02:08 PM  
mediad.publicbroadcasting.net
i42.tinypic.com
What does God need with a beach house?
 
2014-04-02 12:02:10 PM  
As such, there's no objective way for viewers - who annually give an average of $35 million to Daystar - to be certain how their money is spent.

They really can't, but it doesn't matter.  It makes them feel good.
 
2014-04-02 12:02:14 PM  
The IRS has a definition of a church, called the "http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopica94.pdf">14-point test." Among the criteria: regular services, Sunday school, ordained ministers and a regular congregation. But it rarely enforces the 14-point test anymore and, in fact, has never challenged Daystar's claim to be a church.


You need sunday school to be considered a church?  I should tell my father in law his church is not a church.  Granted it used to have sunday school but nowadays the youngest in the congregation is about 50.
 
2014-04-02 12:03:24 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: I just don't understand why a NFP anything wouldn't STILL have to produce full disclosure about where any monies they take in go, regardless of any 'breaks' they are entitled to.

But I'm neither an accountant nor a tax professional, so I'm doomed to remain confused.


According to TFA: Churches can scream really loudly and wake up Congresscritters. Congresscritters don't like that sort of thing.

The IRS has a means to audit churches, but the high-ranking official who can sign off on conducting such an audit is not specified, and the IRS is in no rush to specify the official.

Churches don't have to file paperwork that the IRS requires of other non-profits.
 
2014-04-02 12:04:33 PM  

Dr Dreidel: AurizenDarkstar: The IRS needs to have some stones and go after these so-called 'churches', since the only people they are actually helping are the owners.

Tax the farkers.

And the political ones, too.

Be as anti-abortion as you can be in your little church, hate the gays with the fiery passion of a thousand suns - but the second you add "...and that's why you should/should not vote for Shkenaidel*", start paying taxes, as you've exited "church" and entered "state" (of, if you prefer, you've exited "God's realm" and entered "Caesar's palace").

*I think current law (weak as it is) only prohibits statements in support of a candidate, but I think naming a candidate should be the threshhold. Dunno if you noticed, but we have lots of 2-candidate races these days.


Good luck with that.
 
2014-04-02 12:04:37 PM  

TV's Vinnie: [mediad.publicbroadcasting.net image 600x450]
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What does God need with a beach house?


That is not a beach house.  That is a humble parsonage.
 
2014-04-02 12:04:50 PM  

MrBallou: kid_icarus: Nobody should be shocked about this anymore. This has been going on since Jim & Tammy-Faye.

This has been gong on since some caveman realized he could make a tidy living and have lots of power by claiming to have exclusive access to the ear of Big Mugwug.


Bluhsfeemur! It is the Will of Guwgum that is the one true Spirit! I bonk you to deth cuz Guwgum wills it!!
 
2014-04-02 12:05:28 PM  
"It just speaks to me and I feel like I'm being ministered to," says Jordan Riley, a Christian pop singer in Seattle who supports Daystar.

This is why I'll never get religion.  I have zero need to be ministered to.  I really don't see the value in spiritual guidance of any kind.  This is a product for sale that I don't want.

I'd prefer home-improvement guidance and investment guidance.
 
2014-04-02 12:06:33 PM  

Saiga410: The IRS has a definition of a church, called the "http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopica94.pdf">14-point test." Among the criteria: regular services, Sunday school, ordained ministers and a regular congregation. But it rarely enforces the 14-point test anymore and, in fact, has never challenged Daystar's claim to be a church.


You need sunday school to be considered a church?  I should tell my father in law his church is not a church.  Granted it used to have sunday school but nowadays the youngest in the congregation is about 50.


Or you could you know, see the among the criteria and see you have to match a majority of the criteria and not all of them. That way you don't sound like a complete idiot.
 
2014-04-02 12:07:52 PM  

ikanreed: From Philly to Boston: If a charity / church won't open the books, take your money elsewhere. Period.

/getting a kick, in NFP finance

Let's just say that the people whose primary outlet for charity is religious aren't the most carefully critical in their analysis.


There are religious charities that do good work. When I was an impovershed grad student I received extensive, affordable dental work from a Christian charity. There was exactly zero preaching. I would not have known they were a Christian org if I had not investigated them prior to letting them work on my teeth.
 
2014-04-02 12:08:04 PM  

Misch: hurches don't have to file paperwork that the IRS requires of other non-profits.


I grok that, but I don't the "why" of the whole thing.  And that's ok.  There's a shiatton more than just that I don't understand about shady-assed manufactured tax codes.

But thank you!
 
2014-04-02 12:08:25 PM  
 
2014-04-02 12:09:23 PM  
"Before the crucifixion, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the back of an ass. ...," Grassley says.

How ironic, then, that so many asses are now riding into church on the back of Jesus.
 
2014-04-02 12:11:26 PM  

wxboy: "Before the crucifixion, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the back of an ass. ...," Grassley says.

How ironic, then, that so many asses are now riding into church on the back of Jesus.


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2014-04-02 12:19:55 PM  

Witty_Retort: That's OK

Hobby Lobby profits off of the company that makes the Plan B pills

No hypocrisy there either.


Paying for abortion* is sinful, profiting from abortion is common sense.

* - IUDs and levonorgestrel aren't abortions, but Hobby Lobby claims it is their sincerely held belief they cause abortions despite no studies finding evidence of increased rate of embryo implantation failure as a result of either form of birth control and neither can cause a miscarriage of a successfully implanted embryo. Meanwhile, they are invested in companies that do manufacture drugs to cause abortions.
 
2014-04-02 12:27:27 PM  
Wouldn't it be nice if a god really existed that could actually smite. I'd even settle for a serial killer acting in his name.
 
2014-04-02 12:28:36 PM  

Nabb1: make me some tea: They found a loophole and are exploiting it.

Time to close the loophole.

I completely agree with this. Daystar is nothing like the small church down the street that has to hold a bake sale to fix the leaky roof.


But it's not a loophole; it's a piece of code that the IRS isn't enforcing.  Sometimes there might be a good reason to not enforce a law.  I would like to hear the reasoning behind this decision.
 
2014-04-02 12:33:45 PM  

Schubert'sCell: Nabb1: make me some tea: They found a loophole and are exploiting it.

Time to close the loophole.

I completely agree with this. Daystar is nothing like the small church down the street that has to hold a bake sale to fix the leaky roof.

But it's not a loophole; it's a piece of code that the IRS isn't enforcing.  Sometimes there might be a good reason to not enforce a law.  I would like to hear the reasoning behind this decision.


blogs.bet.com
 
2014-04-02 12:36:20 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: ikanreed: From Philly to Boston: If a charity / church won't open the books, take your money elsewhere. Period.

/getting a kick, in NFP finance

Let's just say that the people whose primary outlet for charity is religious aren't the most carefully critical in their analysis.

There are religious charities that do good work. When I was an impovershed grad student I received extensive, affordable dental work from a Christian charity. There was exactly zero preaching. I would not have known they were a Christian org if I had not investigated them prior to letting them work on my teeth.


Not talking about Christian charities, though that's an easy mistake to make.  I'm talking about Christian donors.   There are people who donate unquestioningly to anything "Christian".  Telling the much less moronic audience at fark to look for open books isn't going to resolve this kinda stuff.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is: take away tax exemption for churches unless they demonstrate being a mostly charitable organization.
 
Jha
2014-04-02 12:45:49 PM  
NPR: Where radio jockeys go to die.
 
2014-04-02 12:53:00 PM  

Schubert'sCell: But it's not a loophole; it's a piece of code that the IRS isn't enforcing.  Sometimes there might be a good reason to not enforce a law.  I would like to hear the reasoning behind this decision.


My understanding is that the IRS is loath to enforce the religious tax exemption too stringently because they don't want to be accused of trampling on religious freedom.  It's been traditional to give a wide berth to anything remotely resembling a church.
 
2014-04-02 12:53:26 PM  

Schubert'sCell: Nabb1: make me some tea: They found a loophole and are exploiting it.

Time to close the loophole.

I completely agree with this. Daystar is nothing like the small church down the street that has to hold a bake sale to fix the leaky roof.

But it's not a loophole; it's a piece of code that the IRS isn't enforcing.  Sometimes there might be a good reason to not enforce a law.  I would like to hear the reasoning behind this decision.



Do you remember what happened when the IRS asked groups named after a political movement some extra questions regarding whether they might be political groups?

Just imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth and cries of persecution if the IRS started looking at religious groups.
 
2014-04-02 01:08:11 PM  
The difference here is between denominational churches and non-denominational churches. Denominational churches have to explain were the money is going. At least in my church.


//Episcopalian. We have a vestry. They get the final say on where the money goes.
 
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