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2014-04-02 01:03:39 PM
something something tap that first winner and her "littleBits" something angry fist something

/ignoring that part about how smart she is
 
2014-04-02 01:09:05 PM
And the makers replied with 'What's a magazine?'
 
2014-04-02 01:38:00 PM
People: You know, there are a lot of folks around who like to tinker around and make stuff...

Other People: You mean, hobbyists?

People: Yeah, but let's call them "Makers" and pretend nobody ever did that kind of thing before, or at least make it seem like a couple of random new technologies turn it into something completely different from just goofing around in your basement like half the world's been doing since forever.

Other People: "Makers," eh?  It's pure genius!  Alert The Media!
 
2014-04-02 02:02:22 PM
WTF, *NEW*? This culture has existed since at least the 70s (earliest that I got involved in it).
 
2014-04-02 02:05:03 PM

tillerman35: People: You know, there are a lot of folks around who like to tinker around and make stuff...

Other People: You mean, hobbyists?

People: Yeah, but let's call them "Makers" and pretend nobody ever did that kind of thing before, or at least make it seem like a couple of random new technologies turn it into something completely different from just goofing around in your basement like half the world's been doing since forever.

Other People: "Makers," eh?  It's pure genius!  Alert The Media!



  As the director of a maker space, I admit that the name 'maker' is clunky and awkward. As much as I hate the word, I love what it stands for.
  The difference between 'makers' and 'hobbyists' is communication. Makers are hobbyists that use the internet to communicate, collaborate and share information. I grew up in the pre-internet days. If I wanted to learn something new I either went to the bookstore or the library. Information was scarce and hard to find. Today I just go online and there's a wealth of information. The maker scene is about new ways of learning and sharing. With most school districts cutting art, shop and technology programs the maker movement offers a great way to get the information and support to get started in these fields.
  This sums up the maker scene nicely- I recently got an Arduino microcontroller. On Saturday morning I hooked it up for the first time and started learning the programming language. Today I'm putting the final touches on an Arduino based four axis laser spirograph projector. I ran into some problems, but a few posts on the Arduino forums got me all the help I needed. Fifteen years ago a similarly minor problem would take days or weeks of poring over books and back issues of magazines to solve.
  It's more than just a matter of being impatient to get a project done- when a student can get access to information and support they will make progress in their learning much quicker. They will see their learning turn into results which will keep them interested and wanting to learn more. The maker scene is succeeding where the schools are failing- we are result oriented.
  Community is key. Hobbyists make things- makers make makers!
 
2014-04-02 02:05:34 PM
What is it with turning back the tides of mass production?
 
2014-04-02 02:09:58 PM
It used to be that people did things because it interested them.

Nowadays, nobody does anything unless they get to proclaim that they're part of some "movement" or other such nonsense.

I'm not just a guy who fools around with electronics, I'm a "Maker". Worship me like a God.

/bunch of aggrandizing, pretentious, self-important, narcissistic assholes
 
2014-04-02 02:15:30 PM
The Maker scene needs way more 3D Printers, and guys with porkpie hats. Not nearly enough of those...
 
2014-04-02 02:18:13 PM

baconbeard: It used to be that people did things because it interested them.

Nowadays, nobody does anything unless they get to proclaim that they're part of some "movement" or other such nonsense.

I'm not just a guy who fools around with electronics, I'm a "Maker". Worship me like a God.

/bunch of aggrandizing, pretentious, self-important, narcissistic assholes


You sound nice! What do you make?
 
2014-04-02 02:25:32 PM

tillerman35: People: You know, there are a lot of folks around who like to tinker around and make stuff...

Other People: You mean, hobbyists?

People: Yeah, but let's call them "Makers" and pretend nobody ever did that kind of thing before, or at least make it seem like a couple of random new technologies turn it into something completely different from just goofing around in your basement like half the world's been doing since forever.

Other People: "Makers," eh?  It's pure genius!  Alert The Media!


IMHO the maker term is goofy, but it is different from a hobbyist.

Maker = Hobbyist + Open source collaboration.

I have known far too many hobbyists that will die with their secrets before ever sharing them.
 
2014-04-02 02:28:28 PM

redsquid: baconbeard: It used to be that people did things because it interested them.

Nowadays, nobody does anything unless they get to proclaim that they're part of some "movement" or other such nonsense.

I'm not just a guy who fools around with electronics, I'm a "Maker". Worship me like a God.

/bunch of aggrandizing, pretentious, self-important, narcissistic assholes

You sound nice! What do you make?


Steampunk.
 
2014-04-02 02:33:45 PM

gunther_bumpass: Steampunk.

Oh right- when goths discover brown. We had an antique steam engine club here that operated for years. Their leader and main organizer retired recently and the club may dissolve. I asked on of the members if any of the steampunks were active in the club. He laughed and said that a few of them came to a meeting but left when the tools came out. They didn't want to get their tweed outfits dirty.
 
2014-04-02 02:44:22 PM
Making things! Brilliant! How did no one think of this until now?!
 
2014-04-02 02:56:01 PM

Wendy's Chili: Making things! Brilliant! How did no one think of this until now?!


I KNOW, right?

It seems so obvious now that there's a movement.

Up until a year or so ago, I was just sitting around in a puddle of my own filth,
pushing turds around the floor with a stick.
 
2014-04-02 02:59:09 PM
I'm off to the corporate restroom to make something.  I'm a Maker.  A damn good one.
 
2014-04-02 03:03:07 PM

tillerman35: People: You know, there are a lot of folks around who like to tinker around and make stuff...

Other People: You mean, hobbyists?

People: Yeah, but let's call them "Makers" and pretend nobody ever did that kind of thing before, or at least make it seem like a couple of random new technologies turn it into something completely different from just goofing around in your basement like half the world's been doing since forever.

Other People: "Makers," eh?  It's pure genius!  Alert The Media!


Next thing you know they'll take some basic idea like household hints and call them lifehacks or something.
 
2014-04-02 03:23:01 PM
redsquid:
  The difference between 'makers' and 'hobbyists' is communication. Makers are hobbyists that use the internet to communicate, collaborate and share information. I grew up in the pre-internet days. If I wanted to learn something new I either went to the bookstore or the library. Information was scarce and hard to find. Today I just go online and there's a wealth of information. The maker scene is about new ways of learning and sharing.

This isn't anything at all that's unique to the 'maker' movement.    I don't see a single hobby or endeavor that hasn't benefited by the communication that the internet has to offer.

I'm a tabletop gamer.  In the days of past, we didn't have the internet to talk to our fellow gamers, we couldn't - with ease- talk to the creators of the games.  We had no reliable way to ask rules questions, or get advice on painting miniatures.  Now, with the internet there are quite literally thousands of forums and places to go to for answers.  We haven't rebranded ourselves under some new moniker..we're still just 'gamers'.

I'm also a ham radio operator.  Same thing there.  The internet revolution has changed in many ways how ham radio operates, from Dstar to the Digital modes like JT65 and even sending QSL cards electronically.   This hasn't fundamentally changed who we are, we're just taking advantage of yet another tool that we have.

Oh, I do astrophotography, and it's the exact same thing there.  I can't tell you how more accessible that hobby is now that we have online communities and information sharing that just wasn't available previously.

My point here is that almost all hobbies have benefited by communication that the internet provides.  All hobbies use it.   There is NOTHING AT ALL 'special' about the 'maker' movement in that regards.  Nada.  Zip. Zilch.  All of these afore mentioned hobbies have embraced sharing of information, online communities, and as you put it 'new ways of sharing and learning.' Please stop touting that as something that delineates the 'maker' movement as something unique.  It's a natural evolution that has gone hand in hand with.advances in technology, it's happened everywhere.

Now, where the 'maker' movement DOES have some uniqueness is in it's rebranding of itself.  It's managed to shed some of the old stigmas of 'tinkering/hobbyists' into something that's far more socially acceptable, though I'm loath to use the words 'hip and cool', and the way that the movement has brought itself to public attention, especially in school IS something to tout and be proud of.  It's something that most other hobbies haven't done, and if anything, THAT is what should delineate the 'maker' movement.
 
2014-04-02 04:20:04 PM
I'm a hobbyist. I make things. I communicate with multiple larger communities of other hobbyists who make things.

I'm still a hobbyist.

"Maker" seems to be a hipster hobbyist. There's a new group here. All the seem to make are stands for free vegan magazines and snide comments about mainstream anything.
 
2014-04-02 04:20:52 PM

redsquid: baconbeard: It used to be that people did things because it interested them.

Nowadays, nobody does anything unless they get to proclaim that they're part of some "movement" or other such nonsense.

I'm not just a guy who fools around with electronics, I'm a "Maker". Worship me like a God.

/bunch of aggrandizing, pretentious, self-important, narcissistic assholes

You sound nice! What do you make?


I created a programming language that runs in a map-reduce context for a massively parallel processing database system (Teradata Aster) operating on tens, to hundreds, to even thousands of commodity servers.  Does that count?
 
2014-04-02 04:22:01 PM
*larger = large
*the = they

It's almost quitting time.
 
2014-04-02 04:27:14 PM
Bless the Maker and all His Water. Bless the coming and going of Him, May His passing cleanse the world. May He keep the world for his people.
 
2014-04-02 04:29:00 PM
Didn't realize Popular Mechanics like the Centauri so much.
 
2014-04-02 04:40:56 PM
So according to Popular Mechanics to be a hobbyist you should probably have a degree from MIT and, Miss Littlebits who is being rewarded from taking a look at the toys I had when I was a kid and recreating the erector set and the robot lego set I had when I was a kid. Well done!  Truly revolutionary!
 
2014-04-02 05:35:43 PM
I dunno. Hobbyist connotes a certain thing but maker connotes another thing entirely.

To me it says these guys are focused on making physical goods, rather than art or music or writing or non-physical type goods. It would also exclude CB fans, or similar, because they aren't 'making' things.

Dunno if that's true and I find the name pretentious as fark, but I can see why they would want it.
 
2014-04-02 06:01:23 PM
pretty sure Alvin Miller should have came in 1st
 
2014-04-02 06:07:07 PM

redsquid: And the makers replied with 'What's a magazine?'


Interesting, since I read the article last week in a magazine.  Welcome to the party, slow-guy.
 
2014-04-02 06:31:14 PM
The geeky earnest enthusiasm and openness of the maker scene is the antithesis of hipsterism's disaffected coolness. Granted, the folks Make magazine,  Adafruit and Thinkgeek do come off as hipsters, the majority of makers I know are geeks.
What does smack of hipsterism is the 'I was doing this before all of you' or 'OMG this is getting popular so I must hate it' comments.
We just partnered with several businesses, nonprofits, the county government and the library system to open a 10,000 square foot space that features a full A/V studio, a First robotics center, an electronics lab, a fabrication shop, an art studio and an entrepreneurial center to help folks transition from hobbies to businesses. Dean Kamen is coming out at the end of the month for a ribbon cutting for our grand opening. I've never seen a group of hobbyists do this.
 
2014-04-02 08:15:02 PM

gunther_bumpass: Wendy's Chili: Making things! Brilliant! How did no one think of this until now?!

I KNOW, right?

It seems so obvious now that there's a movement.

Up until a year or so ago, I was just sitting around in a puddle of my own filth,
pushing turds around the floor with a stick.


wait wait wait, you're saying that I don't have to push turds anymore?
 
2014-04-02 08:25:19 PM
Wow, there's a whole tech culture dedicated to Joseph Smith allegories with alchemical powers and a strong political relationship with alternate-universe 1860s Creek indians?

That's a pretty specific subculture there.
 
2014-04-02 09:50:02 PM
So "maker culture" means doing something that produces a good or service.
We're so engorged with unnecessary jobs (that happen to make the most money) that people need to be commended for this?
These are dark times.
 
2014-04-02 09:55:08 PM

God-is-a-Taco: So "maker culture" means doing something that produces a good or service.
We're so engorged with unnecessary jobs (that happen to make the most money) that people need to be commended for this?
These are dark times.


Er, no?  We're so engorged with pointless time-kills that people feel the need to group together and do something they perceive as 'productive' with their time-kills.  Like, instead of wasting hours on fark, or sitting in front of current-reality-show-Z, or playing video games, they tinker and design and build.
 
2014-04-02 10:02:57 PM
"Maker" culture...right.

It's totally a thing.
 
2014-04-02 10:05:04 PM

kroonermanblack: God-is-a-Taco: So "maker culture" means doing something that produces a good or service.
We're so engorged with unnecessary jobs (that happen to make the most money) that people need to be commended for this?
These are dark times.

Er, no?  We're so engorged with pointless time-kills that people feel the need to group together and do something they perceive as 'productive' with their time-kills.  Like, instead of wasting hours on fark, or sitting in front of current-reality-show-Z, or playing video games, they tinker and design and build.


And they should be commemnded for doing something human beings only started doing 100,000 years ago.
 
2014-04-02 10:15:20 PM
That reminds me.  Anyone else used to watch a show called Popular Mechanics for Kids?  I did.  For some reason....

p1.pichost.me
 
2014-04-02 11:02:22 PM

baconbeard: I'm not just a guy who fools around with electronics, I'm a "Maker". Worship me like a God.

IC Stars: Bless the Maker and all His Water. Bless the coming and going of Him, May His passing cleanse the world. May He keep the world for his people.


There you go, baconbeard.
 
2014-04-03 03:18:56 AM
They do not pay their god will rouse them a little before the nuts work loose
 
2014-04-03 03:19:50 AM
Damn it. That was pray. Stupid unsmart phone
 
2014-04-03 07:38:17 AM
I like that this list was surprisingly gender balanced. Is that an actual feature of the scene? To this day, this kind of stuff is often so populated by dysfunctional neck beards.

redsquid: Makers are hobbyists that use the internet to communicate, collaborate and share information. I grew up in the pre-internet days. If I wanted to learn something new I either went to the bookstore or the library. Information was scarce and hard to find. Today I just go online and there's a wealth of information.


Believe me this happened at every level of hobby-ing (?).  I've painted gaming figures (think "Warhammer") since my teens, and at that point it was essentially self-taught, or picking up tips from vaguley related hobby mags or company brochures.  Once the internet community for the hobby took off though (and bandwidth improved so we could upload photos bigger than a postage stamp), suddenly everyone was learning more advanced and strange painting techniques, and sharing new ones with each other literally daily.  Not only did the average painter's technique improve IMO, the "best" got much, much better... then their improvements cycled down through the duffers, and the cycle continued.  Of course access to supplies got a lot better online too, so you weren't stuck with whatever the local model train store and Games Workshop decided to stock.
 
2014-04-03 08:17:28 AM

studebaker hoch: "Maker" culture...right.

It's totally a thing.


At least it's an ethos...


/I like what 'Maker' culture represents, and hope my tech-obsessed 13 year-old follows that path. I also like that the connected nature of it takes activities that used to be isolating and builds community around them. Whatever you're into, there's someone out there that's into it too, and when you bring people that share the same passion together good things happen. That's a great lesson to teach.

//Hoboken MakerBar shout-out!
 
2014-04-03 08:26:17 AM

gunther_bumpass: kroonermanblack: God-is-a-Taco: So "maker culture" means doing something that produces a good or service.
We're so engorged with unnecessary jobs (that happen to make the most money) that people need to be commended for this?
These are dark times.

Er, no?  We're so engorged with pointless time-kills that people feel the need to group together and do something they perceive as 'productive' with their time-kills.  Like, instead of wasting hours on fark, or sitting in front of current-reality-show-Z, or playing video games, they tinker and design and build.

And they should be commemnded for doing something human beings only started doing 100,000 years ago.


Who said that?

They are hobbyists. I'm sorry someone shiat in your cereal or if you think it's pretentious or whatever is making you unhappy enough to lash out. It's just a name. I don't think anyone is asking for your approval or commendation.

Depending on how you view the current US, calling people makers is a worthwhile distinction; 99% of the populace consumes and generates nothing IN THEIR DOWN TIME. Here are people who take the same down time most people use to watch Honey Boo Boo, and instead attempt to create things.
 
2014-04-03 11:34:01 AM

kroonermanblack: Depending on how you view the current US, calling people makers is a worthwhile distinction; 99% of the populace consumes and generates nothing IN THEIR DOWN TIME. Here are people who take the same down time most people use to watch Honey Boo Boo, and instead attempt to create things.


I think that is the correct analysis, and also the source of the somewhat bizarre dislike of 'makers'.

"I'd like a reasonable amount of interesting self-reliance."
 
2014-04-03 12:20:01 PM
i have been a "maker" for 35+ years apparently.  who knew?
 
2014-04-03 01:00:54 PM

asciibaron: i have been a "maker" for 35+ years apparently.  who knew?


A "maker" or a "Maker"? There's a big difference, you know.
 
2014-04-03 01:47:14 PM

baconbeard: asciibaron: i have been a "maker" for 35+ years apparently.  who knew?

A "maker" or a "Maker"? There's a big difference, you know.


Yep. The little m watches honey boo-boo, the big M is smarter and more attractive.

Get over yourselves. Half of the people calling themselves Makers couldn't find the right end of a screwdriver if it wasn't an instructable.
 
2014-04-03 03:27:01 PM

baconbeard: asciibaron: i have been a "maker" for 35+ years apparently.  who knew?

A "maker" or a "Maker"? There's a big difference, you know.


i didn't.  the Maker i'm interested in if it doesn't have breasts is this:

143.95.0.202
 
2014-04-03 03:40:55 PM

gunther_bumpass: baconbeard: asciibaron: i have been a "maker" for 35+ years apparently.  who knew?

A "maker" or a "Maker"? There's a big difference, you know.

Yep. The little m watches honey boo-boo, the big M is smarter and more attractive.

Get over yourselves. Half of the people calling themselves Makers couldn't find the right end of a screwdriver if it wasn't an instructable.


What are you talking about? They can "program" an Arduino to flick lights on and off.
 
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