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2014-04-02 08:19:34 AM  
Good. If you walk out, you're telling the company you don't want to do your job. They're a great company and there will be 10,000 applicants for those 250 jobs.

Jobs belong to the owners, not the employee.
 
2014-04-02 08:24:40 AM  

reprobate1125: Good. If you walk out, you're telling the company you don't want to do your job. They're a great company and there will be 10,000 applicants for those 250 jobs.

Jobs belong to the owners, not the employee.


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2014-04-02 08:25:21 AM  
UPS used to be a great company to work for, and then they went public.

It's been all downhill for their work force ever since.

UPS management works extremely hard to push older workers out before they reach retirement and get a Teamsters pension.  This is done in a multitude of ways, from giving them terrible routes, to hassling them over how many times they shift into reverse during the course of the day.

If you are thinking of working for a company, don't pick UPS.  That's free advice.
 
2014-04-02 08:28:05 AM  

reprobate1125: They're a great company


They are utter shiat to work for, and you know nothing.
 
2014-04-02 08:29:24 AM  

reprobate1125: Good. If you walk out, you're telling the company you don't want to do your job. They're a great company and there will be 10,000 applicants for those 250 jobs.

Jobs belong to the owners, not the employee.


Keep licking those boots. Corporatists will surely reward you.
 
2014-04-02 08:30:45 AM  
All drivers nationwide should shut the farking company down.
 
2014-04-02 08:51:20 AM  

clancifer: reprobate1125: Good. If you walk out, you're telling the company you don't want to do your job. They're a great company and there will be 10,000 applicants for those 250 jobs.

Jobs belong to the owners, not the employee.

Keep licking those boots. Corporatists will surely reward you.



Of course.  All it takes is hard work and integrity (try to say that without laughing).

And when I think "slacker", I think "UPS Driver".
 
2014-04-02 08:54:01 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: reprobate1125: They're a great company

They are utter shiat to work for, and you know nothing.


Sorry...I've had a few friends that work and worked there and they all loved it. Said it was difficult but a great company.
 
2014-04-02 08:55:05 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: UPS used to be a great company to work for, and then they went public.

It's been all downhill for their work force ever since.

UPS management works extremely hard to push older workers out before they reach retirement and get a Teamsters pension.  This is done in a multitude of ways, from giving them terrible routes, to hassling them over how many times they shift into reverse during the course of the day.

If you are thinking of working for a company, don't pick UPS.  That's free advice.


Pensions should be done away with. They're a dinosaur method of retirement "savings."

401k/403b/TSP or GTFO.
 
2014-04-02 08:56:17 AM  

clancifer: reprobate1125: Good. If you walk out, you're telling the company you don't want to do your job. They're a great company and there will be 10,000 applicants for those 250 jobs.

Jobs belong to the owners, not the employee.

Keep licking those boots. Corporatists will surely reward you.


Sorry. Idk what you're talking about. Self employed job creator here.

See, people apply for jobs and I pay them what they're worth.  If they don't want to work, I have more applicants than jobs.
 
2014-04-02 09:03:09 AM  

reprobate1125: clancifer: reprobate1125: Good. If you walk out, you're telling the company you don't want to do your job. They're a great company and there will be 10,000 applicants for those 250 jobs.

Jobs belong to the owners, not the employee.

Keep licking those boots. Corporatists will surely reward you.

Sorry. Idk what you're talking about. Self employed job creator here.

See, people apply for jobs and I pay them what they're worth.  If they don't want to work, I have more applicants than jobs.


I'm sorry you don't know what you're talking about.  I've got my own business also.  You can save your lectures for someone else.  People make the company, not just the a-hole that's in charge.  I can only imagine that you're a dick of a boss, but that's just an assumption (I know you have many of your own).
 
2014-04-02 09:15:19 AM  

reprobate1125: Said it was difficult but a great company


They must have been in management.
 
2014-04-02 09:24:30 AM  

clancifer: reprobate1125: clancifer: reprobate1125: Good. If you walk out, you're telling the company you don't want to do your job. They're a great company and there will be 10,000 applicants for those 250 jobs.

Jobs belong to the owners, not the employee.

Keep licking those boots. Corporatists will surely reward you.

Sorry. Idk what you're talking about. Self employed job creator here.

See, people apply for jobs and I pay them what they're worth.  If they don't want to work, I have more applicants than jobs.

I'm sorry you don't know what you're talking about.  I've got my own business also.  You can save your lectures for someone else.  People make the company, not just the a-hole that's in charge.  I can only imagine that you're a dick of a boss, but that's just an assumption (I know you have many of your own).


Actually, I work really hard to be a great boss.  I've always tried to live by the motto that if you treat your employees right, they will treat your customers right.

BUT - I'm constantly hearing people saying "our jobs." It's just a fact that you work at the pleasure of the company that offered you the job and I think people would generally do best to remember that...

...Just like I have to remember that when I do a contract job for someone, I work at their pleasure and they're not required to renew the deal. If I don't want to serve that contractor well, they can find plenty of other people to do the job (just hopefully not as well as us).
 
2014-04-02 09:48:11 AM  
I thought UPS drivers had a union?
 
2014-04-02 11:07:42 AM  

jylcat: I thought UPS drivers had a union?


So did they.
 
2014-04-02 11:42:59 AM  

reprobate1125: clancifer: reprobate1125: Good. If you walk out, you're telling the company you don't want to do your job. They're a great company and there will be 10,000 applicants for those 250 jobs.

Jobs belong to the owners, not the employee.

Keep licking those boots. Corporatists will surely reward you.

Sorry. Idk what you're talking about. Self employed job creator here.

See, people apply for jobs and I pay them what they're worth.  If they don't want to work, I have more applicants than jobs.


So we can safely discard your views on everything ever since you are merely parroting Frank Luntz - good to know.
 
2014-04-02 11:46:38 AM  

reprobate1125: I've always tried to live by the motto that if you treat your employees right, they will treat your customers right.


You are a casual conservative.  You do not treat employees "right".  Employees are a zero-sum game.  If you can double your profits by selling their organs, you do it.  And you do not "treat your customers right".  If you are a successful businessman, i.e. "me",  then you have written the laws so the customers are forced to purchase your goods.  The mark of a successful businessman is to become the market, not to operate within its ruleset.  You do not do this by paying your employees a wage and you do not do this by treating the customer with respect.  The sooner you learn this, the sooner you will come to being the best business man who ever lived.  But no one can be me, so do not feel bad if you finish second.
 
2014-04-02 12:31:45 PM  
Good. 250 more jobs available for workers without a sense of entitlement. It's not hard to drive a truck, don't think you're not expendable.
 
2014-04-02 12:33:07 PM  
Make false promises, orally, take people for a ride through their most productive years, screw them over 10 before retirement.  Win supreme court decisions letting you tell more lies to the public about elections.   Get a fractionally higher percentage of the now smaller economy, since everyone else does the same thing.

That's how you win, apparently.
 
2014-04-02 12:34:12 PM  
I. AM. ASHAMED. AT. ALL. OF. YOU!

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2014-04-02 12:34:52 PM  

clancifer: reprobate1125: clancifer: reprobate1125: Good. If you walk out, you're telling the company you don't want to do your job. They're a great company and there will be 10,000 applicants for those 250 jobs.

Jobs belong to the owners, not the employee.

Keep licking those boots. Corporatists will surely reward you.

Sorry. Idk what you're talking about. Self employed job creator here.

See, people apply for jobs and I pay them what they're worth.  If they don't want to work, I have more applicants than jobs.

I'm sorry you don't know what you're talking about.  I've got my own business also.  You can save your lectures for someone else.  People make the company, not just the a-hole that's in charge.  I can only imagine that you're a dick of a boss, but that's just an assumption (I know you have many of your own).


I've got all yallz beat. I'm a self employed person who pays corporations to have faceless minions do my bidding. Or robots. I don't care how the sausage is made as long as I get my cut.
 
2014-04-02 12:36:00 PM  

jylcat: I thought UPS drivers had a union?


It wasn't a union job action. These workers were in violation of contract terms and that leaves the union little room to work with.
 
2014-04-02 12:36:49 PM  
If you're getting $32/hr to be a delivery driver you're an idiot to give your bosses such a blatant excuse to fire you.
 
2014-04-02 12:37:12 PM  

ChipNASA: I. AM. ASHAMED. AT. ALL. OF. YOU!

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I'll be in my bunk truck
 
2014-04-02 12:38:10 PM  
Well, good. I get a lot delivered from Amazon and other online retailers. I'll be sure and refuse delivery by any UPS trucks from here on out.

Besides, Amazon is cheaping out with Ontrack and other low cost couriers.
 
2014-04-02 12:39:41 PM  

reprobate1125: clancifer: reprobate1125: clancifer: reprobate1125: Good. If you walk out, you're telling the company you don't want to do your job. They're a great company and there will be 10,000 applicants for those 250 jobs.

Jobs belong to the owners, not the employee.

Keep licking those boots. Corporatists will surely reward you.

Sorry. Idk what you're talking about. Self employed job creator here.

See, people apply for jobs and I pay them what they're worth.  If they don't want to work, I have more applicants than jobs.

I'm sorry you don't know what you're talking about.  I've got my own business also.  You can save your lectures for someone else.  People make the company, not just the a-hole that's in charge.  I can only imagine that you're a dick of a boss, but that's just an assumption (I know you have many of your own).

Actually, I work really hard to be a great boss.  I've always tried to live by the motto that if you treat your employees right, they will treat your customers right.

BUT - I'm constantly hearing people saying "our jobs." It's just a fact that you work at the pleasure of the company that offered you the job and I think people would generally do best to remember that...

...Just like I have to remember that when I do a contract job for someone, I work at their pleasure and they're not required to renew the deal. If I don't want to serve that contractor well, they can find plenty of other people to do the job (just hopefully not as well as us).


i.thestreet.com

Likes the cut of your jibe.
 
2014-04-02 12:41:00 PM  
No mention of why the employee who sparked the protest was fired.
They instead focused on an employee who was injured and can no longer perform his job duties up to par.
Useless article.
 
2014-04-02 12:42:26 PM  
You know this is a possibility when you walk out, in fact it's why you got 250 people to join.

My amazon prime deliveries are serious business.  When I order five pounds of gummy worms I want them tomorrow, so get to work brown.
 
2014-04-02 12:42:47 PM  

clancifer: reprobate1125: Good. If you walk out, you're telling the company you don't want to do your job. They're a great company and there will be 10,000 applicants for those 250 jobs.

Jobs belong to the owners, not the employee.

Keep licking those boots. Corporatists will surely reward you.


Of course they will.  They're the ones with jobs.  They have the money to pay people rewards.  Funny how that works.
 
2014-04-02 12:43:06 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: If you're getting $32/hr to be a delivery driver you're an idiot to give your bosses such a blatant excuse to fire you.


THIS!

Enjoy working for Wal-Mart, dumbass.
 
2014-04-02 12:44:08 PM  

reprobate1125: clancifer: reprobate1125: clancifer: reprobate1125: Good. If you walk out, you're telling the company you don't want to do your job. They're a great company and there will be 10,000 applicants for those 250 jobs.

Jobs belong to the owners, not the employee.

Keep licking those boots. Corporatists will surely reward you.

Sorry. Idk what you're talking about. Self employed job creator here.

See, people apply for jobs and I pay them what they're worth.  If they don't want to work, I have more applicants than jobs.

I'm sorry you don't know what you're talking about.  I've got my own business also.  You can save your lectures for someone else.  People make the company, not just the a-hole that's in charge.  I can only imagine that you're a dick of a boss, but that's just an assumption (I know you have many of your own).

Actually, I work really hard to be a great boss.  I've always tried to live by the motto that if you treat your employees right, they will treat your customers right.

BUT - I'm constantly hearing people saying "our jobs." It's just a fact that you work at the pleasure of the company that offered you the job and I think people would generally do best to remember that...

...Just like I have to remember that when I do a contract job for someone, I work at their pleasure and they're not required to renew the deal. If I don't want to serve that contractor well, they can find plenty of other people to do the job (just hopefully not as well as us).


You sound like a guy I know that thinks he's an awesome boss. All of his employees hate him and bash him mercilessly when he's not around.

That said, I don't know you and I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. What's your turnover rate like?
 
2014-04-02 12:44:30 PM  
ITT: Economic ITGs who love to sh*t on the worker

Congratulations, you're part of the problem.
 
2014-04-02 12:44:33 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: If you're getting $32/hr to be a delivery driver you're an idiot to give your bosses such a blatant excuse to fire you.


That's right! Respect is only measured by how well you get paid! Get to work sheep.
 
2014-04-02 12:45:18 PM  
UPS has seriously strict labor unions and management.  The unions abuse the hell out of newer employees for years.  Every single thing is defined.  I wouldn't step a toe out of line for fear that either the management OR the union would screw you.
 
2014-04-02 12:45:49 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: No mention of why the employee who sparked the protest was fired.
They instead focused on an employee who was injured and can no longer perform his job duties up to par.
Useless article.


http://queenscourier.com/2014/ups-workers-rally-in-maspeth-to-save-2 50 -drivers-jobs/

"Reyes filed a grievance with two co-workers before he was fired, arguing that junior workers were allowed to start earlier than their seniors, but the employee contract states earlier start times are based on seniority, Reyes said. He was fired officially for "admitted dishonesty" because he started his shifts earlier. But Reyes said a manager verbally okayed his punching-in early, starting from Jan. 6. "

So he filed a grievance to do something he was already doing that was against the contract, and lied about it.
 
2014-04-02 12:46:02 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: reprobate1125: They're a great company

They are utter shiat to work for, and you know nothing.


From what I've heard, this is across the board; blue and white collar.

clancifer: All drivers nationwide should shut the farking company down.


Is this a pro-union thread, in my Fark?
 
2014-04-02 12:46:02 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: reprobate1125: clancifer: reprobate1125: clancifer: reprobate1125: Good. If you walk out, you're telling the company you don't want to do your job. They're a great company and there will be 10,000 applicants for those 250 jobs.

Jobs belong to the owners, not the employee.

Keep licking those boots. Corporatists will surely reward you.

Sorry. Idk what you're talking about. Self employed job creator here.

See, people apply for jobs and I pay them what they're worth.  If they don't want to work, I have more applicants than jobs.

I'm sorry you don't know what you're talking about.  I've got my own business also.  You can save your lectures for someone else.  People make the company, not just the a-hole that's in charge.  I can only imagine that you're a dick of a boss, but that's just an assumption (I know you have many of your own).

Actually, I work really hard to be a great boss.  I've always tried to live by the motto that if you treat your employees right, they will treat your customers right.

BUT - I'm constantly hearing people saying "our jobs." It's just a fact that you work at the pleasure of the company that offered you the job and I think people would generally do best to remember that...

...Just like I have to remember that when I do a contract job for someone, I work at their pleasure and they're not required to renew the deal. If I don't want to serve that contractor well, they can find plenty of other people to do the job (just hopefully not as well as us).

[i.thestreet.com image 290x218]

Likes the cut of your jibe.


It smacks of, "know your place, peon". Yeah, I'm sure he's a great boss. Dismissive attitudes like this are a problem.
 
2014-04-02 12:46:58 PM  

Mike_LowELL: reprobate1125: I've always tried to live by the motto that if you treat your employees right, they will treat your customers right.

You are a casual conservative.  You do not treat employees "right".  Employees are a zero-sum game.  If you can double your profits by selling their organs, you do it.  And you do not "treat your customers right".  If you are a successful businessman, i.e. "me",  then you have written the laws so the customers are forced to purchase your goods.  The mark of a successful businessman is to become the market, not to operate within its ruleset.  You do not do this by paying your employees a wage and you do not do this by treating the customer with respect.  The sooner you learn this, the sooner you will come to being the best business man who ever lived.  But no one can be me, so do not feel bad if you finish second.


We got a bad ass up in here!
 
2014-04-02 12:47:00 PM  

reprobate1125: Good. If you walk out, you're telling the company you don't want to do your job. They're a great company and there will be 10,000 applicants for those 250 jobs.

Jobs belong to the owners, not the employee.


You and your ilk are why we can't have a nice economy.
 
2014-04-02 12:49:47 PM  

reprobate1125: Good. If you walk out, you're telling the company you don't want to do your job. They're a great company and there will be 10,000 applicants for those 250 jobs.

Jobs belong to the owners, not the employee.


Agreed 100%.

I wish it was closer to home.  I have a CDL.
 
2014-04-02 12:50:18 PM  
If I was paying someone to mow my lawn, and they walked away and didn't mow my lawn, I would get someone else to do it.

If I was paying someone to make me a hamburger, and they walked away and didn't make a hamburger, I would get someone else to do it.

If I was paying someone to deliver packages, and they walked away and didn't deliver the packages, I would get someone else to do it.
 
2014-04-02 12:50:36 PM  
This is why I quit UPS and went to work for IPS.
 
2014-04-02 12:51:15 PM  
The employees work solely at the whim of the owners, unless the strike is large enough to significantly hurt corporate ownership, then the National Guard will show up.
 
2014-04-02 12:51:22 PM  
If all UPS drivers are Teamsters, then this may get ugly... People forget that unions developed mtheir thug tactics to defend against owners' thug tactics.

One of the workers who faces dismissal just got back on the job following a near-fatal accident.
Domenick DeDomenico, 40, was in a coma for 10 days after getting hit by a car last year while delivering packages for UPS. He fought back from serious brain injuries and needed a year of speech and physical therapy.
Cleared to resume work on Jan. 17 , DeDomenico was threatened with dismissal by UPS even before he joined the Feb. 26 walkout.
"I wasn't delivering as many packages as before I got hurt," said the married dad. He used to clock in at 13 an hour, but now averages between 10 and 11.
"I said I was doing my best and they said I had been better before," he said. "I said 'Okay, this is my new best,' and they said 'It's not good enough.' "


Damn that's cold.  I don't blame him for walking out, he was targeted anyway the instant he dared to get injured on company time.  13 packages an hour, were we not crystal clear?  UPS won't lead the market with 11 packages an hour, gimpy.
 
2014-04-02 12:52:12 PM  
The one thing I wanted to know was not mentioned in TFA! That canned worker which precipitated this walkout.. what was the reason behind it?
 
2014-04-02 12:52:29 PM  
"UPS has delivered a special message to 250 of its Queens drivers: You're fired "

I hear IPS is hiring.
 
2014-04-02 12:53:29 PM  
If you work well, you will be treated well.
If you work poorly, you will be treated poorly.
 
2014-04-02 12:54:18 PM  

clancifer: reprobate1125: Good. If you walk out, you're telling the company you don't want to do your job. They're a great company and there will be 10,000 applicants for those 250 jobs.

Jobs belong to the owners, not the employee.

Keep licking those boots. Corporatists will surely reward you.


Personally, I've never worked for, nor been hired by, a poor man.  Everybody licks boots, to an extent.  If you think you don't, look again.
 
2014-04-02 12:54:53 PM  

ChipNASA: I. AM. ASHAMED. AT. ALL. OF. YOU!

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Those pictures perpetuate a completely unrealistic fantasy.  Why would a UPS driver carry Uhaul boxes?
 
2014-04-02 12:55:46 PM  
Just what exactly is a PUBLIC ADVOCATE that is mentioned in the article?  Is that some sort of make work position?

Hope UPS tells her to go Fark herself
 
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