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2014-04-02 06:54:36 AM
Needs a Follow-Up tag:  http://www.fark.com/comments/8128072
 
2014-04-02 07:03:44 AM
Nobody wanted to buy segways

BULLshiat. EVERYBODY wanted to buy segways, no one could afford $5,000 for something that's really just a the moped's more embarrassing brother. Also, calling it the "segway" was the worst marketing move since Hati advertised themselves as "The Birthplace of Zombies"
 
2014-04-02 07:54:21 AM
fark YEAH get your man card back
 
2014-04-02 08:56:33 AM
there were so many stories out there about a woman trying to defend her home and having to shoot someone five or six times and they'd still come after her, we wanted to create an effective one-shot manstopper."

Sounds legit.
 
2014-04-02 09:37:25 AM
We already had the sawed-off shotgun, which coincidentally solves the piss-poor-shot problem. This seems unnecessary, except for those who enjoy watching a person's entrails explode. Think of the mess.
 
2014-04-02 10:24:33 AM

kronicfeld: there were so many stories out there about a woman trying to defend her home and having to shoot someone five or six times and they'd still come after her, we wanted to create an effective one-shot manstopper."


Sounds like a good excuse for some range time.
 
2014-04-02 10:34:02 AM
old article

boo subs
 
2014-04-02 10:55:09 AM
In the comments to TFA:

Im sure the department of homeland security bought out the entire inventory for some reason. Hmmmm, Obama taking over the country come 2016?
 
2014-04-02 11:41:36 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: kronicfeld: there were so many stories out there about a woman trying to defend her home and having to shoot someone five or six times and they'd still come after her, we wanted to create an effective one-shot manstopper."

Sounds like a good excuse for some range time.


If they keep advancing after shooting them in the chest you're supposed to shoot them in the hip next.  A goblin can't walk with a shattered hip.

Or use a .45 and not need to shoot them more than once.
 
2014-04-02 11:42:38 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Needs a Follow-Up tag:  http://www.fark.com/comments/8128072


Also needed is mention that actual testing of the ammunition revealed it to be no more effective than already available popular personal defense rounds.
 
2014-04-02 11:44:09 AM

This About That: We already had the sawed-off shotgun, which coincidentally solves the piss-poor-shot problem. This seems unnecessary, except for those who enjoy watching a person's entrails explode. Think of the mess.


A sawed off shotgun is illegal.
As far as a piss poor shot; when in a high stress life or death situation, even trained professionals can become piss poor shots (see most police shoot-outs).

I would rather see this round in the hands of civilians, rather then in law enforcement.
 
2014-04-02 11:44:35 AM
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Just so we're clear, this doesn't include bullets, right?
 
2014-04-02 11:49:57 AM
Meh.  Just like DRT and Extreme Shock.  Some tactitards will buy it.  Most shooters will laugh at it.  It seems new "super" ammunition comes out every couple years for the suckers to buy.
 
2014-04-02 11:50:16 AM
Nobody wanted to buy segways, but a deadly new copper bullet "designed to take out all your vital organs" has completely sold out.

Speaking of segues no one wanted, who the fark came up with that sentence?
 
2014-04-02 11:50:23 AM
FTFA: "...we wanted to create an effective one-shot manstopper."
Yes, those are called skunks.
 
2014-04-02 11:51:04 AM
A blogger at  beta beat is "farking terrified" by trite marketing rubbish.

Go figure.
 
2014-04-02 11:51:10 AM

ToastmasterGeneral: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Just so we're clear, this doesn't include bullets, right?


Yes, but only simple lead spheres as existed when the Constitution was ratified.
 
2014-04-02 11:51:27 AM

But the R.I.P. website claims its bullets "are the most advanced, intelligently designed bullet ever made."


Pandering to the target audience... check.
 
2014-04-02 11:52:00 AM

doglover: Nobody wanted to buy segways

BULLshiat. EVERYBODY wanted to buy segways, no one could afford $5,000 for something that's really just a the moped's more embarrassing brother. Also, calling it the "segway" was the worst marketing move since Hati advertised themselves as "The Birthplace of Zombies"


Yep... Making fun of Segways is "cool", so people do it. The things are actually rather impressive, and I've seen them work well for both police and handicapped people. They're a much cooler invention than the internet will admit to. The price is most definitely ridiculous, but the guy doesn't make cheap stuff. He makes GOOD stuff, but it isn't cheap. Last time I checked, the wheelchair he designed costs $10 Grand. But the thing can climb a staircase...

This About That: We already had the sawed-off shotgun, which coincidentally solves the piss-poor-shot problem.


Whip one of those out when telling the cops about the intruder you shot and let us know how it works out for ya.

Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Needs a Follow-Up tag:  http://www.fark.com/comments/8128072

Also needed is mention that actual testing of the ammunition revealed it to be no more effective than already available popular personal defense rounds.


Yeah, i have Hydro Shocks in my .45, I didn't see a pressing need to upgrade. Besides, how safe are these once they hit a wall? The fragmentation of the Hydro Shock is part of the reason it makes a good defense round, your chances of taking people out in another room are greatly diminished.
 
2014-04-02 11:53:41 AM

rev. dave: FTFA: "...we wanted to create an effective one-shot manstopper."
Yes, those are called skunks.


oi52.tinypic.com

I present you to you, an effective one shot man stopper.
 
2014-04-02 11:54:01 AM

Barfmaker: In the comments to TFA:

Im sure the department of homeland security bought out the entire inventory for some reason. Hmmmm, Obama taking over the country come 2016?


Typical gun owner.
 
2014-04-02 11:55:06 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: This About That: We already had the sawed-off shotgun, which coincidentally solves the piss-poor-shot problem. This seems unnecessary, except for those who enjoy watching a person's entrails explode. Think of the mess.

A sawed off shotgun is illegal.
As far as a piss poor shot; when in a high stress life or death situation, even trained professionals can become piss poor shots (see most police shoot-outs).

I would rather see this round in the hands of civilians, rather then in law enforcement.


Not to mention that despite what you see on TV shotguns A) have to be aimed, B) have a grouping pattern typically less than a foot, C) depending on choke, load, and distance, can lose significant impact even in close-ish range.

They also suffer from the idiots who buy one and think you can kill god himself with one by just pointing it in his general direction and pulling the trigger.

And while sawing down the barrels changes the pellet spray, it's also extremely illegal in most states.
 
2014-04-02 11:55:27 AM

Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Needs a Follow-Up tag:  http://www.fark.com/comments/8128072

Also needed is mention that actual testing of the ammunition revealed it to be no more effective than already available popular personal defense rounds.


Heh.  But look at all the people wetting their drawers over marketing hype.

And that's all it is:  Marketing hype.
 
2014-04-02 11:56:09 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Or use a .45 and not need to shoot them more than once.


.357 Sig is my round of choice.
 
2014-04-02 11:57:32 AM

kroonermanblack: And while sawing down the barrels changes the pellet spray, it's also extremely illegal in most states.


If you saw it to less that 18 inches, it's illegal in Everywhere USA.
 
2014-04-02 11:59:00 AM
Needs more Billy Mays or CGI gimmicks...

Anyway, way over priced and over rated... none for me thank you! Not even a test bite.
 
2014-04-02 11:59:28 AM
TL;DR

Short story: the G2 RIP uber-bullet is little more than marketing hype that performs, in most cases, the same or worse than traditional hollowpoint bullets.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/02/daniel-zimmerman/g2-researc hs -rip-ammo-ballistic-testing-phase-one/

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/02/daniel-zimmerman/g2-researc hs -rip-ammo-ballistic-testing-phase-two/
 
2014-04-02 12:00:13 PM

Click Click D'oh: kroonermanblack: And while sawing down the barrels changes the pellet spray, it's also extremely illegal in most states.

If you saw it to less that 18 inches, it's illegal in Everywhere USA.


Not illegal if 1. they're allowed in your state and 2. you've got a stamp.
 
2014-04-02 12:01:49 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: rev. dave: FTFA: "...we wanted to create an effective one-shot manstopper."
Yes, those are called skunks.

[oi52.tinypic.com image 450x676]

I present you to you, an effective one shot man stopper.


A gay man would keep right on coming.
 
2014-04-02 12:02:09 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Dancin_In_Anson: kronicfeld: there were so many stories out there about a woman trying to defend her home and having to shoot someone five or six times and they'd still come after her, we wanted to create an effective one-shot manstopper."

Sounds like a good excuse for some range time.

If they keep advancing after shooting them in the chest you're supposed to shoot them in the hip next.   A goblin can't walk with a shattered hip.

Or use a .45 and not need to shoot them more than once.


Better safe than sorry. Especially if you need the xp to level up.
 
2014-04-02 12:02:15 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Dancin_In_Anson: kronicfeld: there were so many stories out there about a woman trying to defend her home and having to shoot someone five or six times and they'd still come after her, we wanted to create an effective one-shot manstopper."

Sounds like a good excuse for some range time.

If they keep advancing after shooting them in the chest you're supposed to shoot them in the hip next.  A goblin can't walk with a shattered hip.

Or use a .45 and not need to shoot them more than once.


I'd prefer a shotgun with pistol grip and a juuuust legal barrel length. Maybe use slugs for the LOLz.
 
2014-04-02 12:04:41 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: This About That: We already had the sawed-off shotgun, which coincidentally solves the piss-poor-shot problem. This seems unnecessary, except for those who enjoy watching a person's entrails explode. Think of the mess.

A sawed off shotgun is illegal requires a $200 tax stamp from the federal government.
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As far as a piss poor shot; when in a high stress life or death situation, even trained professionals can become piss poor shots (see most police shoot-outs).

I would rather see this round in the hands of civilians, rather then in law enforcement.


Fixed that for you. otherwise I agree 100%
 
2014-04-02 12:06:31 PM

CoolHandLucas: Not illegal if 1. they're allowed in your state and 2. you've got a stamp.


I was operating on the understanding that if someone is sawing off their own shotgun barrel, they haven't bothered to get their stamp.
 
2014-04-02 12:10:24 PM

neversubmit: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: rev. dave: FTFA: "...we wanted to create an effective one-shot manstopper."
Yes, those are called skunks.

[oi52.tinypic.com image 450x676]

I present you to you, an effective one shot man stopper.

A gay man would keep right on coming.


After a fashion.
 
2014-04-02 12:11:28 PM
Well, glad to see the marketing hype bullshiat laid out, and the farking dumb as bricks blogger correctly identified.  It's a (slightly, maybe) more effective hollowpoint with a big scawy name!  Oh Noes!  Seems to me to be the equivalent of a Monster Brand HDMI cable from Best Buy versus a $10 one ordered online. Big whoop.  Buy it if you want, no skin off my back, but keep your fear level at reasonable minimum, please.
 
2014-04-02 12:14:12 PM

CoolHandLucas: Click Click D'oh: kroonermanblack: And while sawing down the barrels changes the pellet spray, it's also extremely illegal in most states.

If you saw it to less that 18 inches, it's illegal in Everywhere USA.

Not illegal if 1. they're allowed in your state and 2. you've got a stamp.


Also, AOWs. Door knocker shotgun anyone? There is also some loophole where if you build one without a stock you can have a sub 18in barrel if the total length is 26in. Classified as a long arm not designed to be fired from the shoulder. Personally I prefer belt fed man portable support weapons. They're like a shotgun the whole gang can enjoy.
 
2014-04-02 12:14:23 PM

neversubmit: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: rev. dave: FTFA: "...we wanted to create an effective one-shot manstopper."
Yes, those are called skunks.

[oi52.tinypic.com image 450x676]

I present you to you, an effective one shot man stopper.

A gay man would keep right on coming.


No, he wouldn't.  He'd stop and critique the girls poor fashion sense while dishing dirt about their boyfriends with each other.

\Stereotypes are fun, admit it.  You know they are.
 
2014-04-02 12:14:34 PM

Wellon Dowd: ToastmasterGeneral: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Just so we're clear, this doesn't include bullets, right?

Yes, but only simple lead spheres as existed when the Constitution was ratified.


Just like the 1st amendment only applies to quill pens
 
2014-04-02 12:14:40 PM
I've been a pistol and rifle shooter for almost four decades now and if there's one thing you can count when it comes to this hobby it's being able to look forward to brand new, laws-of-physics-be-damned, super ammo. That and/or a brand new, "Miracle of Technology" firearms lubricant. We get both of these... Oh... pretty much every week or so. Two tops.
 
2014-04-02 12:16:11 PM

GodComplex: CoolHandLucas: Click Click D'oh: kroonermanblack: And while sawing down the barrels changes the pellet spray, it's also extremely illegal in most states.

If you saw it to less that 18 inches, it's illegal in Everywhere USA.

Not illegal if 1. they're allowed in your state and 2. you've got a stamp.

Also, AOWs. Door knocker shotgun anyone? There is also some loophole where if you build one without a stock you can have a sub 18in barrel if the total length is 26in. Classified as a long arm not designed to be fired from the shoulder. Personally I prefer belt fed man portable support weapons. They're like a shotgun the whole gang can enjoy.


I know the answer is probably "Of course there are, dummy!", but does someone make an actual belt-fed fully automatic handheld shotgun?  That would be cool, and completely out of control unless it was a .410 or something.

\Do they even make .410's anymore?
 
2014-04-02 12:18:42 PM
Not allowed to shoot at other soldiers with hollow points or tear gas, but perfectly fine for cops to shoot at citizens. Go fig.
 
2014-04-02 12:21:02 PM

Hawnkee: Smeggy Smurf: Dancin_In_Anson: kronicfeld: there were so many stories out there about a woman trying to defend her home and having to shoot someone five or six times and they'd still come after her, we wanted to create an effective one-shot manstopper."

Sounds like a good excuse for some range time.

If they keep advancing after shooting them in the chest you're supposed to shoot them in the hip next.   A goblin can't walk with a shattered hip.

Or use a .45 and not need to shoot them more than once.

Better safe than sorry. Especially if you need the xp to level up.


I think he means those damn treasure goblins, they portal away and then you are out all that loot.

As an aside, wouldn't this ammo be illegal internationally?  With the "trocar angles" I don't think they could be exported could they?  Also from the media information they have available it seems they come apart and scatter kinda like a flechette round to penetrate, I'd hate to see these go though walls because they would just vector off every which way.
 
2014-04-02 12:21:38 PM

wildcardjack: Not allowed to shoot at other soldiers with hollow points or tear gas, but perfectly fine for cops to shoot at citizens. Go fig.


Tear gas is against the Geneva convention?  Really?  Huh.  Didn't know that.
 
2014-04-02 12:22:51 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Smeggy Smurf: Or use a .45 and not need to shoot them more than once.

.357 Sig is my round of choice.


I prefer .38 +P.  I always carry a revolver for self-defense.
 
2014-04-02 12:24:00 PM
I'm currently tinkering around with bullets that, upon impact, shoot smaller bullets that shoot dogs with bees in their mouths.
 
2014-04-02 12:24:06 PM
So, for anyone that missed the last thread about this... this is just frangible ammo.  It's actually not particularly more destructive than a standard hollowpoint (the standard defensive round), the primary application is minimizing over-penetration through walls and so on.

There's not really a "more deadly" and "less deadly" in defensive firearm use, really.  90% of the time, presenting the weapon resolves the situation in itself.  When you're actually firing, you're probably just going to apply more bullets until the target is dead so damage-per-bullet past a certain minimum doesn't really matter much.
 
2014-04-02 12:24:07 PM

somemoron: GodComplex: CoolHandLucas: Click Click D'oh: kroonermanblack: And while sawing down the barrels changes the pellet spray, it's also extremely illegal in most states.

If you saw it to less that 18 inches, it's illegal in Everywhere USA.

Not illegal if 1. they're allowed in your state and 2. you've got a stamp.

Also, AOWs. Door knocker shotgun anyone? There is also some loophole where if you build one without a stock you can have a sub 18in barrel if the total length is 26in. Classified as a long arm not designed to be fired from the shoulder. Personally I prefer belt fed man portable support weapons. They're like a shotgun the whole gang can enjoy.

I know the answer is probably "Of course there are, dummy!", but does someone make an actual belt-fed fully automatic handheld shotgun?  That would be cool, and completely out of control unless it was a .410 or something.

\Do they even make .410's anymore?


Ask and ye shall receive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX7vwivR6cE

But I was referring to things like the RPD or 1919 as being high velocity shotguns. And they do make .410, gotta feed your Judge somehow, it's just kinda pricey.
 
2014-04-02 12:26:00 PM

Donau: Hawnkee: Smeggy Smurf: Dancin_In_Anson: kronicfeld: there were so many stories out there about a woman trying to defend her home and having to shoot someone five or six times and they'd still come after her, we wanted to create an effective one-shot manstopper."

Sounds like a good excuse for some range time.

If they keep advancing after shooting them in the chest you're supposed to shoot them in the hip next.   A goblin can't walk with a shattered hip.

Or use a .45 and not need to shoot them more than once.

Better safe than sorry. Especially if you need the xp to level up.

I think he means those damn treasure goblins, they portal away and then you are out all that loot.

As an aside, wouldn't this ammo be illegal internationally?  With the "trocar angles" I don't think they could be exported could they?  Also from the media information they have available it seems they come apart and scatter kinda like a flechette round to penetrate, I'd hate to see these go though walls because they would just vector off every which way.


I believe one of the benefits of hollow point ammo  is that when they split off, the carry less energy due to their size, and the individual pieces shouldn't go as far or penetrate as much as a solid single bullet.  Not quite frangible, but better.  Plus, a regular bullet could go completely through a body, whereas a hollow point shouldn't - that allows the full amount of kinetic energy to go into the target while at the same time reducing the chance of unintended collateral damage.

Now granted, I just pulled all this from my ass, but it seems to me to be a reasonable assessment.  Very open to correction, though.  TMYK and all that.
 
2014-04-02 12:26:03 PM
Might come in handy if the Salamanca brothers are after you.
 
2014-04-02 12:26:14 PM

CoolHandLucas: TL;DR

Short story: the G2 RIP uber-bullet is little more than marketing hype that performs, in most cases, the same or worse than traditional hollowpoint bullets.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/02/daniel-zimmerman/g2-researc hs -rip-ammo-ballistic-testing-phase-one/

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/02/daniel-zimmerman/g2-researc hs -rip-ammo-ballistic-testing-phase-two/


Cool link, although the guy seems to be a little goofy if he can't figure out how to rig up a sheet of plywood to stand up 18" from his ballistics gel. Otherwise, very cool. I have to say that I really like the symmetry of this image from the second test.
 
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