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(LA Times)   Congressional report says that regulators ignored a "pattern of problems" at GM. A pattern of problems meaning Vega, Chevette, Cimarron, Aztec   (latimes.com) divider line 56
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2014-04-02 12:18:42 AM  
cdn.techiedistrict.com2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-02 12:22:12 AM  
NHTSA is very scattershot about what they decide to do and when they decide to do it, and they have resisted setting guidelines for when to decide to take enforcement actions

Someone remind me why we trust the government with our safety....
 
2014-04-02 12:27:25 AM  
Well, BENGHAZI when you BENGHAZI have so many BENGHAZI other BENGHAZI pressing concerns BENGHAZI, you have to BENGHAZI establish priorities

/LIKE REPEALING OBAMACARE!!111!!!!!
//and assuring Obama is a one term President
 
2014-04-02 12:33:09 AM  

dj_bigbird: NHTSA is very scattershot about what they decide to do and when they decide to do it, and they have resisted setting guidelines for when to decide to take enforcement actions

Someone remind me why we trust the government with our safety....


Because it's still a better option than trusting corporations to police themselves.
 
2014-04-02 09:29:56 AM  
The Chevette was awesome.
 
2014-04-02 09:32:38 AM  
So glad we spent billions to bail them out.

/ 'scuse me.  The sarcasm alarm just sounded.
 
2014-04-02 09:33:30 AM  
Those were all crap vehicles in their own way, but I don't recall any safety issues. Could someone enlighten me?
 
2014-04-02 09:38:04 AM  
Or the 90s habit of seeing how much plastic body cladding they could affix to a Pontiac.
 
2014-04-02 09:41:44 AM  
The Aztek was a good car, basically the vanguard of the crossover segment, wrapped in acid-trip styling with a stupid name.  Legendarily ugly, of course, and even the wheels were ugly, but it was a good appliance for the owner.

The Vega was a good-looking (for the time) POS.  The Chevette was a POS.  The Cimarron was the exact opposite of the Aztek: a POS wrapped in gold-trimmed ribbon.  And you forgot the Citation, another unredeemable POS.
 
2014-04-02 09:46:21 AM  
To heck with you subby I liked the Vega/Monza
 
2014-04-02 09:51:27 AM  

factoryconnection: The Cimarron was the exact opposite of the Aztek: a POS wrapped in gold-trimmed ribbon.


You think the Cimarron was good looking?
That explains a lot.

/Aztek is awesome, and looks excellent.
// I know, you have to do what the media says, but I use my own judgement. Thanks.
 
2014-04-02 09:57:25 AM  
Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.

Business woman on plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?

Narrator: You wouldn't believe.

Business woman on plane: Which car company do you work for?

Narrator: A major one.

I find it funny when people use "flying car" as the vision of the future. Maybe it was, for the Boomers. I'm GenX. We weren't promised flying cars, we were promised a dystopian cyberpunk existence. And, hey, whaddya know? We're getting it.
 
2014-04-02 10:32:26 AM  
My parents had a GM car go through complete engine lock due to a faulty oil pump about 5000 miles after the warranty ran out. It pretty much killed the idea of ever owning a GM car for me.
 
2014-04-02 10:32:33 AM  
Lisa Catera
 
2014-04-02 10:45:41 AM  

ds615


factoryconnection: The Cimarron was the exact opposite of the Aztek: a POS wrapped in gold-trimmed ribbon.

You think the Cimarron was good looking?
That explains a lot.


How the hell did you get "the Cimarron was good looking" from what he said??

The Cimarron was indeed a POS Chevy tarted up with Cadillac badging and a leather interior, hence the "POS wrapped in gold-trimmed ribbon" description. Not a word was said about aesthetics.

You can think of the Cadillac treatment as putting lipstick on a pig, if that helps.
 
2014-04-02 11:09:13 AM  
Hahahahaha. Vega. I remember my mom buying one right before my pops got stationed at Ramstein, W. Germany for 10 farking years. Needless to say, the autobahn was not a Vega's natural habitat.
 
2014-04-02 11:09:23 AM  
This irony of how this harkens back to Ed Norton's job in Fight Club where he was responsible for risk mgmt on defective cars has been entertaining me. The more that comes to light the more it looks like exactly what he hated about his life.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2014-04-02 11:15:30 AM  
And if any group has expertise expressing patterns of problems.. congress clearly knows it when they see it.
 
2014-04-02 11:33:22 AM  
Back up cameras will help a lot.
 
2014-04-02 11:36:24 AM  
They should get the Perrier with the benzene and give it out at GM.
 
2014-04-02 11:37:04 AM  

The Muthaship: The Chevette was awesome.


0/10 a good troll has to be a bit believable
 
2014-04-02 11:42:26 AM  
www.telaviv-fever.com
 
2014-04-02 11:43:12 AM  

kregh99: So glad we spent billions to bail them out.

/ 'scuse me.  The sarcasm alarm just sounded.


A sarcasm alarm? Oh there's a great idea.
 
2014-04-02 11:45:43 AM  

dj_bigbird: NHTSA is very scattershot about what they decide to do and when they decide to do it, and they have resisted setting guidelines for when to decide to take enforcement actions

Someone remind me why we trust the government with our safety....


Probably  doesn't help we have a Congress who spends a decade dismantling safety agencies by claiming that companies will internally police themselves to do what is best for the public so we don't need any oversight of them. That would be my guess anyway.
 
2014-04-02 11:48:32 AM  
I just bought a 2003 ION last fall.

Luckily it's been in storage since then--it's for my 15-year-old, who doesn't need it 'til October.

It was sort of funny when I called to make a repair appointment, and the clerk was nervous about getting yelled at.  You could hear him relax his shoulders when I said it wasn't an emergency.
 
2014-04-02 11:50:35 AM  
Problem 1:  They make shiatty cars.
 
2014-04-02 11:51:29 AM  
Considering how fast the world is changing, it's nice to see that GM is still the same company that got its shiat kicked by Honda and Toyota.

Meanwhile, Ford is starting to get its act together (but isn't quite up to the level of its foreign competitors) and Chrysler traded one set of dysfunction for another.
 
2014-04-02 11:51:36 AM  

factoryconnection: The Aztek was a good car, basically the vanguard of the crossover segment, wrapped in acid-trip styling with a stupid name.  Legendarily ugly, of course, and even the wheels were ugly, but it was a good appliance for the owner.

The Vega was a good-looking (for the time) POS.  The Chevette was a POS.  The Cimarron was the exact opposite of the Aztek: a POS wrapped in gold-trimmed ribbon.  And you forgot the Citation, another unredeemable POS.


My mom had a Citation hatchback when I was very young, it's the first car I remember. Cream colored exterior, gold vinyl seats, absolutely hideous. She kept a ball-point pen in the console... the car had a tendency to stall out going up the hill to get to my grandma's house, and she could fix this and get the car started again by poking something or other under the hood with the pen while I turned the key (I couldn't have been more than 4-5 at the time).
 
2014-04-02 12:07:05 PM  

The Muthaship: The Chevette was awesome.


I had a few of these growing up.  they had a zero-to-sixty time of "maybe" and the floorboards loved to rot out (went to hit the brake one time and bounced my foot off the pavement.  i ended up "acquiring" a road sign and slid it under the mat.  it was good for a few more thousand miles).

my last one was an '81 dealer's demo model that was fully loaded and - according to the guy who sold it to me - "all original".  unfortunately - he meant the original spark plugs.  i went to change them, along with the wires and cap and marveled how Chevy put the AC compressor directly over the distributor cap so you couldn't get at it without removing it.

that car's running days ended one icy evening when a tractor trailer hit me almost head on as i was coming home.  fortunately - i was stopped and he hit me at just enough of an angle that i bounced off.  had a bit of a limp for a few days but i was fine, and his insurance company gave me more than i paid for the car.

/had a Vega or two and a Citation as well, as well as a few Fairmonts, an Aries, and a Dodge Omni - all garbage
//they are the reason that I only buy Japanese cars today.
 
2014-04-02 12:15:41 PM  

dj_bigbird: NHTSA is very scattershot about what they decide to do and when they decide to do it, and they have resisted setting guidelines for when to decide to take enforcement actions

Someone remind me why we trust the government with our safety....


It's either them or the $55 billion dollar company that decided the lives of 13 people were less important than the half-million it would have taken to fix the problem.

If there were a rash of murders in your town, would you respond by calling for the abolition of police work?
 
2014-04-02 12:18:55 PM  

ds615: factoryconnection: The Cimarron was the exact opposite of the Aztek: a POS wrapped in gold-trimmed ribbon.

You think the Cimarron was good looking?
That explains a lot.

/Aztek is awesome, and looks excellent.
// I know, you have to do what the media says, but I use my own judgement. Thanks.


"Media"? The Aztek is one of the ugliest pieces of shiate to be foisted upon a car buying public in the last 30 years. Your judgement is seriously flawed.

Even uglier than these Whale Turds, actually. And that's saying alot...

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-02 12:39:22 PM  
I do not want to sound like a contrarian, but I honestly liked the look of the Aztec.
It could be worse; I could be enamored of  Yoko Ono.

/John Lennon prolly married her to prove he wasn't shallow and so married the ugliest woman in the world.
 
2014-04-02 12:46:52 PM  

Mikey1969: ds615: factoryconnection: The Cimarron was the exact opposite of the Aztek: a POS wrapped in gold-trimmed ribbon.

You think the Cimarron was good looking?
That explains a lot.

/Aztek is awesome, and looks excellent.
// I know, you have to do what the media says, but I use my own judgement. Thanks.

"Media"? The Aztek is one of the ugliest pieces of shiate to be foisted upon a car buying public in the last 30 years. Your judgement is seriously flawed.

Even uglier than these Whale Turds, actually. And that's saying alot...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 788x440]


Yeah, but once they fixed the back quarter window and lost the skirts, it was decent looking car.
 
2014-04-02 01:04:00 PM  
drewogatory:

Yeah, but once they fixed the back quarter window and lost the skirts, it was decent looking car.

In the meantime, WAY too many of the ugly ones hit the road... I swear, it was like the only car available to buy for like 3 years there. I think those skirts are probably the worst part...
 
2014-04-02 01:46:39 PM  
31.media.tumblr.com
GM reached their peak in 1963. It's been downhill ever since.
 
2014-04-02 01:49:45 PM  
ah good ole'Gm takes me back to the 2009 demotivator

GM: you wouldn't by our shiatty cars so we'll be taking your money anyway!
 
2014-04-02 01:51:35 PM  

llortcM_yllort: Considering how fast the world is changing, it's nice to see that GM is still the same company that got its shiat kicked by Honda and Toyota.


This, except Honda and Toyota have moved on, being replaced by Hyundai. We rented a Chevy Sonic for work while the Hyundai Accent was in the shop. What a disappointment. Even accounting for the fact that you don't really expect much from basic transportation, I was reminded quite a lot of my old 1994 Cavalier, which wouldn't be so bad if I was driving a 1994 Cavalier and not a 2013 Sonic.

llortcM_yllort: Meanwhile, Ford is starting to get its act together (but isn't quite up to the level of its foreign competitors)


a.k.a. Ford of Europe.
 
2014-04-02 02:43:31 PM  
My uncle - Dad's baby brother - had a Vega when he was in college and I was a kid, maybe 7 or so. I thought it looked cool, and loved riding in it. The college girls my uncle dated liked it well enough, and then he traded it for a VW Scirocco. THAT thing was a pussy magnet. I mean, it was the 1970s, so I am all but certain that it was all bush from mid-thigh to navel, but hey... good on Uncle. He's still a pretty cool guy. He's restoring an elderly Porsche 928 now.

I owned a Grand Am that was a horrid piece of garbage, and currently have a Blazer, a Tracker and I'm attempting to restore a late-90s GMC 3/4 ton 4x4 with my father in law.

YMMV.
 
2014-04-02 02:45:21 PM  

Principal Clarinet: [31.media.tumblr.com image 850x455]
GM reached their peak in 1963. It's been downhill ever since.


I think the new one looks pretty sharp:

www.stingrayforums.com
 
2014-04-02 03:02:13 PM  
llortcM_yllort:
Meanwhile, Ford is starting to get its act together (but isn't quite up to the level of its foreign competitors) and Chrysler traded one set of dysfunction for another.

Depends. Ford's (with the exception of the Taurus, maybe) already handle a lot better than most of their competitors. As for reliability, I'd wager they're better than, say, VWs or Nissans. Unless you believe Consumer Reports...who would classify a broken cup holder the same way as an entire car spontaneously combusting.
 
2014-04-02 03:04:09 PM  

Victoly: This, except Honda and Toyota have moved on, being replaced by Hyundai.


Honda >> Hyundai > Mazda > Nissan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota.
 
2014-04-02 03:35:43 PM  

Cheron: The Muthaship: The Chevette was awesome.

I'm pregnant a good troll has to be a bit believable


In the late '80s I bought a Chevette for $50 and was able to drive it for 10 months before selling it to a scrapyard for $10. I prefer to think that it only depreciated in value $40 rather than 80%.
 
2014-04-02 03:47:21 PM  
"This, except Honda and Toyota have moved on "

If you mean failing crash tests and killing their customers, then yes.
 
2014-04-02 03:50:24 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: llortcM_yllort:
Meanwhile, Ford is starting to get its act together (but isn't quite up to the level of its foreign competitors) and Chrysler traded one set of dysfunction for another.

Depends. Ford's (with the exception of the Taurus, maybe) already handle a lot better than most of their competitors. As for reliability, I'd wager they're better than, say, VWs or Nissans. Unless you believe Consumer Reports...who would classify a broken cup holder the same way as an entire car spontaneously combusting.


Yeah, I probably should have been more specific on that.  They aren't quite at Honda's or Hyundai's level, but are better than the Nissans of the world.
 
2014-04-02 04:01:45 PM  

Victoly: I was reminded quite a lot of my old 1994 Cavalier, which wouldn't be so bad if I was driving a 1994 Cavalier


Ah the Cavalier.  GM always makes "interesting" decisions, such as cancelling the Cavalier when IIRC it was the most popular commonly found car on the road at the time.

Exec 1:  What should we do with this car we sell more of than anyone sells anything else?
Exec 2:  Dunno... we could modernize it but how about scraping it instead?
Exec 1:  Sounds like just the sort of bold plan GM needs!

Now why did these brain surgeons need a bail-out again?
 
2014-04-02 04:11:52 PM  

llortcM_yllort: Meanwhile, Ford is starting to get its act together


Well yes they sort of are.  But much of that reputation gained is for a car that is really a Mazda car.  The Ford Fusion is Ford's most reliable vehicle.  But...
Ford Fusion = Mazda 6.

I drove a Fusion for a period of time, and I liked it.  It wasn't a new one.  The one I drove had a 6 cylinder engine and was surprisingly ballsy.  Still did well on fuel economy... in theory.  I liked laying into it too much too actually get good fuel economy in practice.

Still if I where to buy a new car today I think I would favor a Subaru.  But I would go with a Mazda (or the Fusion) if the deal was right.
 
2014-04-02 04:26:50 PM  

bk3k: GM always makes "interesting" decisions, such as cancelling the Cavalier when IIRC it was the most popular commonly found car on the road at the time.


I meant to do this.  Wish I had an edit.

Joking aside I owned a Cavalier and they where pretty good cars for the money.  I ran my 92 well past when the Odometer quit working at something like 245k or so.  I never babied it to get that far either.  I always stomped on the gas and breaks, turning sharply at speeds I had no business turning.   I ran over curbs into people's yards because I could.  Hey I was young.  I have many tales of the abuse that car suffered.  It still kept going.

Even when I decided I just did not care to fix the car anymore(lots of body damage - first car) and it started overheating because the thermostat failed.  I could have fixed the matter for $5 yet I didn't care to do so.  I drove the car to it's final destination overheating the entire way.  I did not know the temperature meter could swing so far, and it made interesting smells at that point but that engine never quit.  That car certainly had the soul of a Zombie.

I had some later model Cavalier at a point but I didn't hold onto it long.  I got a good deal on it and quickly resold for more.
 
2014-04-02 05:36:08 PM  
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"I'll have you know I love my Aztek. I can take a few guys out at once and still ride very comfortably."
 
2014-04-02 06:12:51 PM  
The Cadillac barritz was even uglier.
 
2014-04-02 08:38:26 PM  
At least the Aztek, while ass-ugly, was still a decent car.

Unlike most of the other cars on that list.

I drive a truck, so my opinion doesn't count for much though.
 
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