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2014-04-01 11:56:10 PM
Sad the depths that once-esteemed show has sunk to.
 
2014-04-02 12:20:36 AM

fusillade762: Sad the depths that once-esteemed show has sunk to.


Thankfully Hans Gruber missed it, so he doesn't know.
 
2014-04-02 12:56:05 AM
I'd love to see the clip dubbed over with various engine noises (scooter, boat, helicopter, etc...)
 
2014-04-02 12:59:10 AM
We gotta just know that the editor thought the audio on the footage of Tesla went wrong, or there wasn't any, so he fix.
 
2014-04-02 01:03:25 AM
Is there a reason Elon Musk is on 60 Minutes like once a month?  My wife and I were joking that he's the David Brenner of 60 minutes this weekend.

I get it... Space X, Tesla... all fun stuff.  But you're not providing new content!
 
2014-04-02 01:03:52 AM
Vvvvvvrrrroooooommm
 
2014-04-02 01:04:09 AM
I enjoyed the story of Elon Musk. I was a bit taken aback when they showed his wife. We're used to seeing wealthy guys with great looking women, and he is no exception. But she looks a little too sexy. She looks like the kind of woman who would bang all of your close friends and household employees while you were on a business trip.
topnews.in

I wonder if the Musk household could use a good pool boy. I swear that I would never miss a day of work.
 
2014-04-02 01:08:26 AM

iron_city_ap: I'd love to see the clip dubbed over with various engine noises (scooter, boat, helicopter, etc...)


Galloping horse, hamster wheel?
 
2014-04-02 01:24:23 AM

iron_city_ap: I'd love to see the clip dubbed over with various engine noises (scooter, boat, helicopter, etc...)


You forgot:

images7.alphacoders.com
 
2014-04-02 01:38:36 AM

Atomic Spunk: I wonder if the Musk household could use a good pool boy. I swear that I would never miss a day of work.


Did they dub motorboat sounds when she was on screen?
 
2014-04-02 01:44:37 AM
This is Obamas SolandraBengazi all over again
 
2014-04-02 02:31:18 AM
People still watch the money-whoring MSM and expect journalism?

Golly!
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-04-02 03:14:12 AM

lohphat: People still watch the money-whoring MSM and expect journalism?


I don't know about you, but I watch journalism on television in the hope that good news reporting and proper investigative journalism might still exist, or be renewed.  I hope that integrity will find its way back to the crowns that our news kings wear.  I believe that exists now, even in a diminished form.  I would like to see the spirit of journalism renewed, instead of trashing it all and proclaiming it worthless and void.

I doubt I can do anything about it, but I hope to see a change in the 24 hour channels as well as network TV.  I feel that the trend of outrage, insignificant detail and conjecture, and WHAARRRGAARBLLL will shift as the social atmosphere shifts.
 
2014-04-02 07:37:11 AM
CBS News says an editor made an "audio error" in dubbing the sound of a loud traditional car engine over footage of the much quieter Tesla electric car

Bullshiat. Hitting the wrong button is an audio error. Digging up a piece of unrelated audio and dubbing it into a story is a conscious editorial decision.
 
2014-04-02 08:08:19 AM
I thought it was noise from the chase car... it did seem odd.
 
2014-04-02 08:36:37 AM

netringer: We gotta just know that the editor thought the audio on the footage of Tesla went wrong, or there wasn't any, so he fix.


I'm not clicking on the link so I can imagine they inserted the Jetsons car sound
 
2014-04-02 09:05:04 AM
Did they also happen to mention that Scott Pelley's wife owns a Tesla?
 
2014-04-02 09:12:40 AM

Atomic Spunk: I enjoyed the story of Elon Musk. I was a bit taken aback when they showed his wife. We're used to seeing wealthy guys with great looking women, and he is no exception. But she looks a little too sexy. She looks like the kind of woman who would bang all of your close friends and household employees while you were on a business trip.
[topnews.in image 450x622]

I wonder if the Musk household could use a good pool boy. I swear that I would never miss a day of work.


Coincidentally, I just read today that he divorced her (gave her some sort of multi-million $ settlement).
 
2014-04-02 09:16:09 AM
433: I don't know about you, but I watch journalism on television in the hope that good news reporting and proper investigative journalism might still exist, or be renewed. I hope that integrity will find its way back to the crowns that our news kings wear. I believe that exists now, even in a diminished form. I would like to see the spirit of journalism renewed, instead of trashing it all and proclaiming it worthless and void.

HAH! And just how will you be able to tell? They purposely slant their stories ALL THE TIME. For political reasons, to help their corporate sponsors, to revenge themselves on somebody who annoys them, whatever. They are the current embodiment of the fable of the boy who cried wolf.
 
2014-04-02 09:23:56 AM

Harry_Seldon: Atomic Spunk: I wonder if the Musk household could use a good pool boy. I swear that I would never miss a day of work.

Did they dub motorboat sounds when she was on screen?


Ok, now that was funny.
 
2014-04-02 09:28:48 AM
When I watched this portion of the show the audio from the car actually struck me as weird as I thought it was nearly silent.  I figured I must have been wrong since I've never seen a Tesla in person.  While this is a minor quibble, it still is problematic regarding the once esteemed 60 minutes.
 
2014-04-02 09:30:25 AM

433: lohphat: People still watch the money-whoring MSM and expect journalism?

I don't know about you, but I watch journalism on television in the hope that good news reporting and proper investigative journalism might still exist, or be renewed.  I hope that integrity will find its way back to the crowns that our news kings wear.  I believe that exists now, even in a diminished form.  I would like to see the spirit of journalism renewed, instead of trashing it all and proclaiming it worthless and void.

I doubt I can do anything about it, but I hope to see a change in the 24 hour channels as well as network TV.  I feel that the trend of outrage, insignificant detail and conjecture, and WHAARRRGAARBLLL will shift as the social atmosphere shifts.


And people think that I'm delusional.
 
2014-04-02 09:37:40 AM
www.thinkbluela.com
 
2014-04-02 09:40:55 AM
What am I missing over the last several months:

- Amazon infomercial
- NSA Propaganda episode
- Benghazi Propaganda episode


I swear there were more.
 
2014-04-02 09:45:26 AM
60 Minutes so wants to be relevant again.....kind of sad.
 
2014-04-02 09:50:26 AM
Jesus, everyone sure has their panties waded up today. The noise is in there for the same reason the 'Spaceship of the imagination' makes noise and the X-wing fighters make noise. People would think something was wrong if there wasn't SOME kind of sound. Putting together a package for a TV News spot is STILL producing, and regardless of how neutral you THINK your source is, they're STILL going to try and make the thing an actual production.

Big farking deal, this is nothing new, it's not some heartbreaking example of how our media has slipped, and it isn't a "bias" thing. They would have had nothing there, and people would have been biatching.
 
2014-04-02 09:53:36 AM
This is as much "news" as the whole thing a year or two back where they accused NASA of 'doctoring' images before release because few people are smart enough to understand that the probes, telescopes and satellites don't transmit a farking full color picture to begin with.
 
2014-04-02 09:57:34 AM
Unless somebody can point to some kind of editorial bias involved in making the electric car go "vroom," I'm going to guess this was just a simple sound editing error.
 
2014-04-02 09:58:33 AM

Mikey1969: Jesus, everyone sure has their panties waded up today. The noise is in there for the same reason the 'Spaceship of the imagination' makes noise and the X-wing fighters make noise.

-- You do realize those two things are make believe and their sounds are made by sound editors. Right?

 
2014-04-02 09:59:11 AM

Mikey1969: Jesus, everyone sure has their panties waded up today. The noise is in there for the same reason the 'Spaceship of the imagination' makes noise and the X-wing fighters make noise. People would think something was wrong if there wasn't SOME kind of sound. Putting together a package for a TV News spot is STILL producing, and regardless of how neutral you THINK your source is, they're STILL going to try and make the thing an actual production.

Big farking deal, this is nothing new, it's not some heartbreaking example of how our media has slipped, and it isn't a "bias" thing. They would have had nothing there, and people would have been biatching.


So you must be one of those guys that needs "canned laughter" when watching TV.....?
 
2014-04-02 10:07:20 AM

karnal: Mikey1969: Jesus, everyone sure has their panties waded up today. The noise is in there for the same reason the 'Spaceship of the imagination' makes noise and the X-wing fighters make noise. People would think something was wrong if there wasn't SOME kind of sound. Putting together a package for a TV News spot is STILL producing, and regardless of how neutral you THINK your source is, they're STILL going to try and make the thing an actual production.

Big farking deal, this is nothing new, it's not some heartbreaking example of how our media has slipped, and it isn't a "bias" thing. They would have had nothing there, and people would have been biatching.

So you must be one of those guys that needs "canned laughter" when watching TV.....?


No, I'm on of "those guys" who has worked and trained in the field and knows how whiny you farking people can be.
 
2014-04-02 10:32:13 AM
I didn't even notice.  But then, I didn't realize that the in-flight exterior shots in the movie "Airplane" had audio from a prop plane until someone pointed it out to me years after I had seen it.
 
2014-04-02 11:00:46 AM

Mikey1969: Jesus, everyone sure has their panties waded up today. The noise is in there for the same reason the 'Spaceship of the imagination' makes noise and the X-wing fighters make noise. People would think something was wrong if there wasn't SOME kind of sound. Putting together a package for a TV News spot is STILL producing, and regardless of how neutral you THINK your source is, they're STILL going to try and make the thing an actual production.


The smart thing to do would have been to draw attention to the fact that it doesn't make noise.  "No, there's nothing wrong with your TV.  The lack of the expected car sounds comes from the electric engine, which is not only environmentally friendly, but is also nearly silent."

Problem solved.

Mikey1969: No, I'm on of "those guys" who has worked and trained in the field and knows how whiny you farking people can be.


You probably also are one of the people who is for the adding of the fast motion sound when rewinding and fast forwarding video tape in movies, even though most VCR's people ever used didn't do that since the tape was off the audio heads when that was happening.
 
2014-04-02 11:17:35 AM

mjbok: Mikey1969: Jesus, everyone sure has their panties waded up today. The noise is in there for the same reason the 'Spaceship of the imagination' makes noise and the X-wing fighters make noise. People would think something was wrong if there wasn't SOME kind of sound. Putting together a package for a TV News spot is STILL producing, and regardless of how neutral you THINK your source is, they're STILL going to try and make the thing an actual production.

The smart thing to do would have been to draw attention to the fact that it doesn't make noise.  "No, there's nothing wrong with your TV.  The lack of the expected car sounds comes from the electric engine, which is not only environmentally friendly, but is also nearly silent."

Problem solved.


Yeah, that would have been a much better solution. Of course the shot was an aerial helicopter shot anyway. Any voice over would have been fine.

You probably also are one of the people who is for the adding of the fast motion sound when rewinding and fast forwarding video tape in movies, even though most VCR's people ever used didn't do that since the tape was off the audio heads when that was happening.

Jesus, you are pretty dumb. They let you walk around in public, or are you confined to a room full of bubble wrap?
 
2014-04-02 11:20:37 AM
Hasn't been the same and I no longer watch since Don Hewitt died.
 
2014-04-02 11:21:12 AM

Atomic Spunk: I enjoyed the story of Elon Musk. I was a bit taken aback when they showed his wife. We're used to seeing wealthy guys with great looking women, and he is no exception. But she looks a little too sexy. She looks like the kind of woman who would bang all of your close friends and household employees while you were on a business trip.
[topnews.in image 450x622]

I wonder if the Musk household could use a good pool boy. I swear that I would never miss a day of work.


She looks stoned.
 
2014-04-02 11:33:01 AM
It seems like "60 Minutes farked something up" is a story that pops up about once every six months.
 
2014-04-02 11:34:19 AM

netringer: We gotta just know that the editor thought the audio on the footage of Tesla went wrong, or there wasn't any, so he fix.


Mikey1969: Jesus, everyone sure has their panties waded up today. The noise is in there for the same reason the 'Spaceship of the imagination' makes noise and the X-wing fighters make noise. People would think something was wrong if there wasn't SOME kind of sound. Putting together a package for a TV News spot is STILL producing, and regardless of how neutral you THINK your source is, they're STILL going to try and make the thing an actual production.

Big farking deal, this is nothing new, it's not some heartbreaking example of how our media has slipped, and it isn't a "bias" thing. They would have had nothing there, and people would have been biatching.


Judging by Mikey1969's reaction, netringer correctly diagnosed the cause.
 
2014-04-02 11:44:55 AM

Mikey1969: Jesus, you are pretty dumb. They let you walk around in public, or are you confined to a room full of bubble wrap?


Look at any movie that shows someone watching something on a home VCR that shows them rewinding.  Is there noise of it rewinding?  Does that happen (or did it since VCR's are pretty much gone) in real-life on a home VCR?  I fail to see what is stupid about my original statement.  It is some stupid audio person adding in an effect for something that shouldn't be there.
 
2014-04-02 11:47:59 AM

Mikey1969: karnal: Mikey1969: Jesus, everyone sure has their panties waded up today. The noise is in there for the same reason the 'Spaceship of the imagination' makes noise and the X-wing fighters make noise. People would think something was wrong if there wasn't SOME kind of sound. Putting together a package for a TV News spot is STILL producing, and regardless of how neutral you THINK your source is, they're STILL going to try and make the thing an actual production.

Big farking deal, this is nothing new, it's not some heartbreaking example of how our media has slipped, and it isn't a "bias" thing. They would have had nothing there, and people would have been biatching.

So you must be one of those guys that needs "canned laughter" when watching TV.....?

No, I'm on of "those guys" who has worked and trained in the field and knows how whiny you farking people can be.



Maybe you should get 'off' those guys.  Weirdo!


/not that there is anything wrong with that
 
2014-04-02 11:55:08 AM

mjbok: Mikey1969: Jesus, you are pretty dumb. They let you walk around in public, or are you confined to a room full of bubble wrap?

Look at any movie that shows someone watching something on a home VCR that shows them rewinding.  Is there noise of it rewinding?  Does that happen (or did it since VCR's are pretty much gone) in real-life on a home VCR?  I fail to see what is stupid about my original statement.  It is some stupid audio person adding in an effect for something that shouldn't be there.


What's "stupid" is injecting shoat that has nothing to do with anything because you have nothing else. This is how things are produced because whiny bastards call things 'unnatural' is there isn't some kind of sound when a car is driving down the road, or a spaceship flies through the air. It's farking psychology and WHY your audience expects sound, and what type they expect. Unless there's a voiceover telling you that there is no sound, then adding something is pretty farking standard.
 
2014-04-02 12:27:32 PM

Mikey1969: This is how things are produced because whiny bastards call things 'unnatural' is there isn't some kind of sound when a car is driving down the road, or a spaceship flies through the air. It's farking psychology and WHY your audience expects sound, and what type they expect.


I agree with you.  However I pointed out a noted example that was always done, and an example where something is injected artificially that 99.9% of people would not expect.  As someone who obviously has a firsthand knowledge of this you probably (depending on how long your exposure has been) worked with pro beta editing decks where moving the shuttle wheel does indeed have associated audio when you would also know that most people with exposure to a VCR would not expect that sound.
 
2014-04-02 12:34:45 PM

mjbok: Mikey1969: This is how things are produced because whiny bastards call things 'unnatural' is there isn't some kind of sound when a car is driving down the road, or a spaceship flies through the air. It's farking psychology and WHY your audience expects sound, and what type they expect.

I agree with you.  However I pointed out a noted example that was always done, and an example where something is injected artificially that 99.9% of people would not expect.  As someone who obviously has a firsthand knowledge of this you probably (depending on how long your exposure has been) worked with pro beta editing decks where moving the shuttle wheel does indeed have associated audio when you would also know that most people with exposure to a VCR would not expect that sound.


And once again, when it's done, it's because it's what people expect. Sometimes sound is just there because the silence is worse. And people know about the scrubbing audio sound because it's been in media for decades, so they wouldn't be really caught off guard. What you're faced with as an alternative is some dead air, and that's the problem. They add scores to movies for a reason, also. half the time you don't even notice the score unless it's not there. Same with rewinding sounds, car sounds, spaceship sounds, etc...
 
2014-04-02 12:40:46 PM

Atomic Spunk: I enjoyed the story of Elon Musk. I was a bit taken aback when they showed his wife. We're used to seeing wealthy guys with great looking women, and he is no exception. But she looks a little too sexy. She looks like the kind of woman who would bang all of your close friends and household employees while you were on a business trip.
img.fark.net



Who said she doesn't?
 
2014-04-02 12:53:46 PM

mjbok: Mikey1969: Jesus, you are pretty dumb. They let you walk around in public, or are you confined to a room full of bubble wrap?

Look at any movie that shows someone watching something on a home VCR that shows them rewinding.  Is there noise of it rewinding?  Does that happen (or did it since VCR's are pretty much gone) in real-life on a home VCR?  I fail to see what is stupid about my original statement.  It is some stupid audio person adding in an effect for something that shouldn't be there.


Like hearing kookaburras in an African jungle
 
2014-04-02 12:54:39 PM
Does Morley Safe bang coconuts together when they do a piece on the Kentucky Derby?
 
2014-04-02 01:11:42 PM

Mikey1969: And once again, when it's done, it's because it's what people expect. Sometimes sound is just there because the silence is worse. And people know about the scrubbing audio sound because it's been in media for decades, so they wouldn't be really caught off guard. What you're faced with as an alternative is some dead air, and that's the problem. They add scores to movies for a reason, also. half the time you don't even notice the score unless it's not there. Same with rewinding sounds, car sounds, spaceship sounds, etc...


A movie isn't news.

The news isn't supposed to alter reality for some entertainment purpose.  A movie does it because it makes the scene more appealing to have a spaceship fly by and make a sound rather than it be silent.

A 'news' program is supposed to show objective reality as much as possible
 
2014-04-02 01:19:36 PM

Mikey1969: mjbok: Mikey1969: This is how things are produced because whiny bastards call things 'unnatural' is there isn't some kind of sound when a car is driving down the road, or a spaceship flies through the air. It's farking psychology and WHY your audience expects sound, and what type they expect.

I agree with you.  However I pointed out a noted example that was always done, and an example where something is injected artificially that 99.9% of people would not expect.  As someone who obviously has a firsthand knowledge of this you probably (depending on how long your exposure has been) worked with pro beta editing decks where moving the shuttle wheel does indeed have associated audio when you would also know that most people with exposure to a VCR would not expect that sound.

And once again, when it's done, it's because it's what people expect. Sometimes sound is just there because the silence is worse. And people know about the scrubbing audio sound because it's been in media for decades, so they wouldn't be really caught off guard. What you're faced with as an alternative is some dead air, and that's the problem. They add scores to movies for a reason, also. half the time you don't even notice the score unless it's not there. Same with rewinding sounds, car sounds, spaceship sounds, etc...


What did you say?
www.biography.com
 
2014-04-02 01:23:41 PM

MugzyBrown: Mikey1969: And once again, when it's done, it's because it's what people expect. Sometimes sound is just there because the silence is worse. And people know about the scrubbing audio sound because it's been in media for decades, so they wouldn't be really caught off guard. What you're faced with as an alternative is some dead air, and that's the problem. They add scores to movies for a reason, also. half the time you don't even notice the score unless it's not there. Same with rewinding sounds, car sounds, spaceship sounds, etc...

A movie isn't news.

The news isn't supposed to alter reality for some entertainment purpose.  A movie does it because it makes the scene more appealing to have a spaceship fly by and make a sound rather than it be silent.

A 'news' program is supposed to show objective reality as much as possible


And you are the first person to change the channel when it's too farking boring. Accept it. people are picky, if you can't admit that, I don't really give a flying fark, but it's the truth of the situation, no matter how much wood you get over jumping on top of this utter and complete NON-Farking-ISSUE.
 
2014-04-02 04:10:05 PM

Mikey1969: MugzyBrown: Mikey1969: And once again, when it's done, it's because it's what people expect. Sometimes sound is just there because the silence is worse. And people know about the scrubbing audio sound because it's been in media for decades, so they wouldn't be really caught off guard. What you're faced with as an alternative is some dead air, and that's the problem. They add scores to movies for a reason, also. half the time you don't even notice the score unless it's not there. Same with rewinding sounds, car sounds, spaceship sounds, etc...

A movie isn't news.

The news isn't supposed to alter reality for some entertainment purpose.  A movie does it because it makes the scene more appealing to have a spaceship fly by and make a sound rather than it be silent.

A 'news' program is supposed to show objective reality as much as possible

And you are the first person to change the channel when it's too farking boring. Accept it. people are picky, if you can't admit that, I don't really give a flying fark, but it's the truth of the situation, no matter how much wood you get over jumping on top of this utter and complete NON-Farking-ISSUE.


This is why I don't shed any tears when traditional media outlets biatch about people leaving them for non-traditional websites.  If neither have any interest in presenting reality, then why shouldn't I read the one with dick jokes?
 
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