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2014-04-01 06:40:52 PM
A&M wanted to get away from big brother, Texas isn't going to bend over backwards to get them back.
 
2014-04-01 07:37:39 PM
I'm genuinely surprised the Texas state legislature hasn't stepped in. There are similar laws on the books in both Carolinas and Florida.
 
2014-04-01 07:38:34 PM

UNC_Samurai: I'm genuinely surprised the Texas state legislature hasn't stepped in. There are similar laws on the books in both Carolinas and Florida.


This.  ESPECIALLY in Texas.  Only thing I can think of is that the A&M/UT divide must be pretty even there.
 
2014-04-01 07:57:03 PM

UNC_Samurai: I'm genuinely surprised the Texas state legislature hasn't stepped in. There are similar laws on the books in both Carolinas and Florida.


There is no such law in SC
 
2014-04-01 08:06:03 PM

FriarReb98: Only thing I can think of is that the A&M/UT divide must be pretty even there.


Actually, the politically powerful school in Texas is Baylor.
 
2014-04-01 08:07:18 PM
I saw a few of the UT/A&M games in the 90's. Lot's of fun. Good rivalry, sad that money had to come between it. Such is college football........
 
2014-04-01 08:07:49 PM
Why is this even news? Patterson has a lot more important things than worrying about scheduling A&M (which deep down probably doesn't want to play Texas but would never publicly say so). Yeah, it's too bad for college football (especially in Texas) but the decision was A&M's all the way. The least the Aggies could do is grow a pair and own the fact that they killed off the rivalry rather than continue to whine about big brother.
 
2014-04-01 08:08:47 PM
Oklahoma has been Texas' biggest rival for decades.  In-state rivalries aren't the BFD they used to be.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-04-01 08:13:09 PM

Ezimar: In-state rivalries aren't the BFD they used to be.


It is when it comes to family.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-04-01 08:18:22 PM

Gonz: Actually, the politically powerful school in Texas is Baylor.


When it comes to Baptists, and towns with large Baptist congregations, the tie from church to university can be felt, but I have never noticed any influence on behalf of Baylor in my neck of the woods.  When I left high school, UT, A&M, and Tech were out front, with Baylor left for mostly girls looking for arts degrees, and boys looking at a religious career path.

The state schools draw well from all regions, religious and secular.  Baylor doesn't draw from the secular pool.

Your experience may very.  I went to school in Louisiana, anyway.
 
2014-04-01 08:18:38 PM

Ezimar: Oklahoma has been Texas' biggest rival for decades.  In-state rivalries aren't the BFD they used to be.


I would actually love for my alma mater to play against State on a yearly basis. Granted, we'd get the SHIAT kicked out of us almost every year. It'd be a nice rivalry for us but they'd have bigger ones

/THE Ohio Alum
//Michigan thinks we beat them every year
 
2014-04-01 08:21:34 PM
As long as these international trips don't interfere with the education those young men are there to...  nope can't finish it.  Man your college athletics system is royally corrupt America
 
2014-04-01 08:27:48 PM
I remember when in Austin Texas branding meant feeling the searing hot metal mark the meaty loins of the verile stud bull that was prized by cowpokes for his copious and quality sperm.

And that was only at the frat party I drunkenly wandered into while I was balls-deep in a k-hole.
 
2014-04-01 08:49:01 PM
A couple goes through a messy divorce.  The last thing they want to do is each other, if both have other willing possible partners.

UT and A&M have all they can handle for a long time.  Eventually, they'll have the occasional hook-up, but the rivalry is over, let it go.
 
2014-04-01 08:52:41 PM

USCLaw2010: UNC_Samurai: I'm genuinely surprised the Texas state legislature hasn't stepped in. There are similar laws on the books in both Carolinas and Florida.

There is no such law in SC


I stand corrected.  I thought it was passed fairly recently, but it turns out it was killed in committee last year.
 
2014-04-01 09:09:10 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: As long as these international trips don't interfere with the education those young men are there to...  nope can't finish it.  Man your college athletics system is royally corrupt America


I'd imagine if they were to schedule a game really far away it would probably be early in the season or over an extended break...that's usually how these things go.  As for playing in Mexico City I don't know offhand how far away it is but I would imagine it's probably closer than if they were to play Washington or Syracuse.
The flip side of this is that it could be a chance for many of these students to take a once in a lifetime trip to somewhere they otherwise would never have visited.  I'd imagine a trip abroad to play in Mexico City would result in a lot more learning than some stupid lecture about some core class they are taking because everyone has to take freshman English.
 
2014-04-01 09:26:15 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

/ that is all
 
2014-04-01 09:28:43 PM

TheOther: A couple goes through a messy divorce.  The last thing they want to do is each other, if both have other willing possible partners.

UT and A&M have all they can handle for a long time.  Eventually, they'll have the occasional hook-up, but the rivalry is over, let it go.


Since most of the Aggie traditions revolve around beating T.U. ... sucks to be them

/ sheep are still scared in College Station
 
2014-04-01 09:31:03 PM
Texas will have to play A&M once they realize that their weak conference and suspect non conference schedule won't help them get into the playoff.

/geaux tigers
 
2014-04-01 10:16:27 PM

Keith Moon: Texas will have to play A&M once they realize that their weak conference and suspect non conference schedule won't help them get into the playoff.

/geaux tigers


Yeah, LSU has it much bettter being Alabama's biatch, year after year.
 
2014-04-01 10:28:45 PM

433: Ezimar: In-state rivalries aren't the BFD they used to be.

It is when it comes to family.


See: Auburn and Alabama as Exhibit A.
 
2014-04-01 10:35:18 PM

Keith Moon: Texas will have to play A&M once they realize that their weak conference and suspect non conference schedule won't help them get into the playoff.


Playing the 4th-best team in the SEC West ain't gonna boost their strength of schedule that much.

/also, Texas's non-con schedule is actually quite good for the next several years, including UCLA, USC, Notre Dame, and THE Ohio State
 
2014-04-01 10:37:59 PM
How's that Longhorn Network working out for ya?
 
2014-04-01 10:56:30 PM

Dr. Steve Brule: Keith Moon: Texas will have to play A&M once they realize that their weak conference and suspect non conference schedule won't help them get into the playoff.

Playing the 4th-best team in the SEC West ain't gonna boost their strength of schedule that much.

/also, Texas's non-con schedule is actually quite good for the next several years, including UCLA, USC, Notre Dame, and THE THE Ohio State


Meanwhile, in addition to the very decent Wisconsin opener, LSU has Sam Houston, LA-Monroe, and one that Texas played last year, NM State for non-conference, but...SEC will get them in!

Last year also proved that BYU is no walk-over for Texas.

HaywoodJablonski: How's that Longhorn Network working out for ya?


Didja see the recent tournament bracket of who would win if athletics budget meant victory?  Texas has problems...back problems caused by a bulging wallet.  Nobody may be watching, but ESPN is still paying.
 
2014-04-01 11:08:17 PM

433: Gonz: Actually, the politically powerful school in Texas is Baylor.

When it comes to Baptists, and towns with large Baptist congregations, the tie from church to university can be felt, but I have never noticed any influence on behalf of Baylor in my neck of the woods.  When I left high school, UT, A&M, and Tech were out front, with Baylor left for mostly girls looking for arts degrees, and boys looking at a religious career path.

The state schools draw well from all regions, religious and secular.  Baylor doesn't draw from the secular pool.

Your experience may very.  I went to school in Louisiana, anyway.


Baylor girl here. And I strongly disagree. Baylor also has a good Pre-Med program as well as a decent business school and an awesome law school that produced the likes of Ann Richards and the notorious Tom DeLay.  Baylor always attracted the progeny of old money families in Texas.

Although it is true many girls pursue an arts degree, the running joke there was most really come for their "MRS" degree.  The first questions people ask you there are 1] Who is your family? 2] What Texas city are you from? and 3] What do you plan on studying?
 
2014-04-01 11:28:01 PM
This has a DOA smell
 
2014-04-01 11:38:42 PM
Texas didn't want any of Johnny Football.
 
2014-04-01 11:46:05 PM

TheOther: Dr. Steve Brule: Keith Moon: Texas will have to play A&M once they realize that their weak conference and suspect non conference schedule won't help them get into the playoff.

Playing the 4th-best team in the SEC West ain't gonna boost their strength of schedule that much.

/also, Texas's non-con schedule is actually quite good for the next several years, including UCLA, USC, Notre Dame, and THE THE THE Ohio State

Meanwhile, in addition to the very decent Wisconsin opener, LSU has Sam Houston, LA-Monroe, and one that Texas played last year, NM State for non-conference, but...SEC will get them in!

Last year also proved that BYU is no walk-over for Texas.

HaywoodJablonski: How's that Longhorn Network working out for ya?

Didja see the recent tournament bracket of who would win if athletics budget meant victory?  Texas has problems...back problems caused by a bulging wallet.  Nobody may be watching, but ESPN is still paying.


You a sensitive little cuss, ain't ya? Being from Texas, I root for UT and have no love for A&M but cats like you make me understand why most college football fans see you as Notre Dame without the Jesus angle. Stop taking yourselves so damn seriously.
 
2014-04-01 11:53:59 PM

TheOther: Keith Moon: Texas will have to play A&M once they realize that their weak conference and suspect non conference schedule won't help them get into the playoff.

/geaux tigers

Yeah, LSU has it much bettter being Alabama's biatch, year after year.


And since you decided to go in that direction, don't pretend that OU hasn't been kicking that ass on the regular since 2000...
 
2014-04-02 12:03:38 AM

twistedmetal: A&M wanted to get away from big brother, Texas isn't going to bend over backwards to get them back.


Well duh Texas sucks right now so they don't want to put AtM on the schedule when they're gonna get their asses kicked.
 
2014-04-02 12:15:44 AM
Subby is high. Or drunk. Or just stupid
 
2014-04-02 12:19:33 AM
The worst part is that the AD thinks it would be swell to allow the college students to play in....

Dubai.


I'm trying to figure out when they would go to class around the gameweek.
 
2014-04-02 12:21:25 AM
I guess the Longhorn now is part of the poultry family...tastes like chicken

Play TAMU.
 
2014-04-02 02:16:32 AM

Keith Moon: TheOther: Keith Moon: Texas will have to play A&M once they realize that their weak conference and suspect non conference schedule won't help them get into the playoff.

/geaux tigers

Yeah, LSU has it much bettter being Alabama's biatch, year after year.

And since you decided to go in that direction, don't pretend that OU hasn't been kicking that ass on the regular since 2000...


They lost to the derpy McCoy, OU has no arguments and will take 100 years to wash that stink off
 
2014-04-02 03:48:27 AM
Let's see how great A&M is without Johnny Football under center
 
2014-04-02 09:39:00 AM

Gonz: Actually, the politically powerful school in Texas is Baylor.


I'm not sure I'd say THE power but Baylor has historically enjoyed outsized political power.  Their law school has produced loads of major political players. The whole reason Baylor got to go to the Big 12 (rather than get dumped like the other private schools) was because of the power of Bob Bullock. (Ann Richards, another Baylor alum was governor then, which didn't hurt, but Bullock was the real force.)  Then there's the Baptist connection, though this is probably overstated, especially since the SBC moved to the right.  But, still, UT & A&M have more political power than Baylor. The entire political and judicial structure of the state is filthy with UT alums and there's a bunch of rich Aggie oil-baron types who take full advantage of Texas's campaign finance laws (or lack thereof).
 
2014-04-02 11:45:22 AM

TheOther: Keith Moon: Texas will have to play A&M once they realize that their weak conference and suspect non conference schedule won't help them get into the playoff.

/geaux tigers

Yeah, LSU has it much bettter being Alabama's biatch, year after year.


You do realise that Alabama's little reign can't last forever, right? Just ask Auburn ;)

/GEAUX TIGERS
//Texas A&M is a joke, but Mizzou is worse
 
2014-04-02 12:06:20 PM
I miss the annual game, but look forward to potential bowl match-ups.
 
2014-04-02 12:27:40 PM

iamskibibitz: Why is this even news? Patterson has a lot more important things than worrying about scheduling A&M (which deep down probably doesn't want to play Texas but would never publicly say so). Yeah, it's too bad for college football (especially in Texas) but the decision was A&M's all the way. The least the Aggies could do is grow a pair and own the fact that they killed off the rivalry rather than continue to whine about big brother.


50% right.  It absolutely was A&M's decision.  It was, however, predicated by the creation of the Longhorn Network, where at least one big 12 game would show (at ESPN's behest) , essentially letting UT "double dip" on the revenue front.

And I don't think A&M has really been whining since they have had a pretty decent showing in the SEC since they moved over.
 
2014-04-02 12:57:53 PM

mafiageek1980: TheOther: Keith Moon: Texas will have to play A&M once they realize that their weak conference and suspect non conference schedule won't help them get into the playoff.

/geaux tigers

Yeah, LSU has it much bettter being Alabama's biatch, year after year.

You do realise that Alabama's little reign can't last forever, right? Just ask Auburn ;)

/GEAUX TIGERS
//Texas A&M is a joke, but Mizzou is worse


I thought the leadup to the game in Tuscaloosa with Cam involved was bananas...this year's game might just top that if Auburn and Alabama are in the top 5 this year.
 
2014-04-02 01:04:11 PM
www.etsu.edu

Only way that aggy could beat Texas.
 
2014-04-02 01:17:14 PM

Keith Moon: TheOther: Keith Moon: Texas will have to play A&M once they realize that their weak conference and suspect non conference schedule won't help them get into the playoff.

/geaux tigers

Yeah, LSU has it much bettter being Alabama's biatch, year after year.

And since you decided to go in that direction, don't pretend that OU hasn't been kicking that ass on the regular since 2000...


/rant

I'm ashamed of Texas non-conference schedule...and just about every other solid program's.  There are about 50 teams that should be bumped down a division (Yeah, you North Texas and Sam Houston and LA-Monroe and SEWestern Louisiana Tech A&M) and any Div-1 team that plays a non-Div 1 team, banned from post-season play that year.

/end rant
 
2014-04-02 01:19:32 PM

ybishop: Let's see how great A&M is without Johnny Football under center



They went 9-4 last year (4-4 in conference) with him. They lost every game against a ranked opponent in the regular season...yet somehow still managed to stay in the top 25.

That's how you wind up in the Chick-Fil-A Bowl - at least they managed to beat that ranked team.
 
2014-04-02 01:29:03 PM

rufus-t-firefly: ybishop: Let's see how great A&M is without Johnny Football under center


They went 9-4 last year (4-4 in conference) with him. They lost every game against a ranked opponent in the regular season...yet somehow still managed to stay in the top 25.

That's how you wind up in the Chick-Fil-A Bowl - at least they managed to beat that ranked team.


With the game winning play coming from the A&M defense.
 
2014-04-02 01:55:43 PM

TheOther: Keith Moon: TheOther: Keith Moon: Texas will have to play A&M once they realize that their weak conference and suspect non conference schedule won't help them get into the playoff.

/geaux tigers

Yeah, LSU has it much bettter being Alabama's biatch, year after year.

And since you decided to go in that direction, don't pretend that OU hasn't been kicking that ass on the regular since 2000...

/rant

I'm ashamed of Texas non-conference schedule...and just about every other solid program's.  There are about 50 teams that should be bumped down a division (Yeah, you North Texas and Sam Houston and LA-Monroe and SEWestern Louisiana Tech A&M) and any Div-1 team that plays a non-Div 1 team, banned from post-season play that year.

/end rant


That was my point, home slice. Ours isn't anything to crow about but in the playoff era, beefing up your non-conference sched is essential. The best way to do that is to play a decent team from a big conference and if it's a longtime in state rival, even better. You can't tell me that it won't help Florida State and Florida as the playoff format evolves. Tell you what, you talk to your people and I'll talk to mine and well set up a UT/LSU yearly game. A&M can eat an entire dick.
 
2014-04-02 02:04:55 PM

Keith Moon: . Tell you what, you talk to your people and I'll talk to mine and well set up a UT/LSU yearly game. A&M can eat an entire dick.


Bring it.



www.photodave.net
 
2014-04-02 02:07:41 PM

TheOther: I'm ashamed of Texas non-conference schedule...and just about every other solid program's.  There are about 50 teams that should be bumped down a division (Yeah, you North Texas and Sam Houston and LA-Monroe and SEWestern Louisiana Tech A&M) and any Div-1 team that plays a non-Div 1 team, banned from post-season play that year.


A) Sam Houston St. is already in the FCS
B) All of those teams are Div 1 teams
C) Ask Alabama and Arkansas about how much ULM deserves to be bumped down
D) Why should we take your opinions regarding scheduling seriously when you don't know simple things like this?

BTW, eliminating FBS vs FCS games doesn't hurt FBS schools at all - but it does basically kill FCS kids' shot to play on a big stage as well as destroy all of their athletic budgets - they get more money from a game against an FBS school than they do winning a title.
 
2014-04-02 04:06:31 PM

Keith Moon: TheOther: Keith Moon: TheOther: Keith Moon: Texas will have to play A&M once they realize that their weak conference and suspect non conference schedule won't help them get into the playoff.

/geaux tigers

Yeah, LSU has it much bettter being Alabama's biatch, year after year.

And since you decided to go in that direction, don't pretend that OU hasn't been kicking that ass on the regular since 2000...

/rant

I'm ashamed of Texas non-conference schedule...and just about every other solid program's.  There are about 50 teams that should be bumped down a division (Yeah, you North Texas and Sam Houston and LA-Monroe and SEWestern Louisiana Tech A&M) and any Div-1 team that plays a non-Div 1 team, banned from post-season play that year.

/end rant

That was my point, home slice. Ours isn't anything to crow about but in the playoff era, beefing up your non-conference sched is essential. The best way to do that is to play a decent team from a big conference and if it's a longtime in state rival, even better. You can't tell me that it won't help Florida State and Florida as the playoff format evolves. Tell you what, you talk to your people and I'll talk to mine and well set up a UT/LSU yearly game. A&M can eat an entire dick.


This assumes a lot about the college football playoffs, even though they haven't even started yet.  Since college football has always made a big deal about not losing, playing big name OOC opponents could still bite you in the ass for the same reasons they do now.  The risk of losing to Texas A&M could still outweigh the benefit if that loss means the difference between "a traditional powerhouse went undefeated in a major conference? They have to get in" and "Why should a team that lost to 8-4 Texas A&M get into the playoffs over other one loss teams."  The playoffs won't prevent teams from taking scheduling risks as long as record is more important than strength of schedule.
 
2014-04-02 04:38:12 PM

llortcM_yllort: Keith Moon: TheOther: Keith Moon: TheOther: Keith Moon: Texas will have to play A&M once they realize that their weak conference and suspect non conference schedule won't help them get into the playoff.

/geaux tigers

Yeah, LSU has it much bettter being Alabama's biatch, year after year.

And since you decided to go in that direction, don't pretend that OU hasn't been kicking that ass on the regular since 2000...

/rant

I'm ashamed of Texas non-conference schedule...and just about every other solid program's.  There are about 50 teams that should be bumped down a division (Yeah, you North Texas and Sam Houston and LA-Monroe and SEWestern Louisiana Tech A&M) and any Div-1 team that plays a non-Div 1 team, banned from post-season play that year.

/end rant

That was my point, home slice. Ours isn't anything to crow about but in the playoff era, beefing up your non-conference sched is essential. The best way to do that is to play a decent team from a big conference and if it's a longtime in state rival, even better. You can't tell me that it won't help Florida State and Florida as the playoff format evolves. Tell you what, you talk to your people and I'll talk to mine and well set up a UT/LSU yearly game. A&M can eat an entire dick.

This assumes a lot about the college football playoffs, even though they haven't even started yet.  Since college football has always made a big deal about not losing, playing big name OOC opponents could still bite you in the ass for the same reasons they do now.  The risk of losing to Texas A&M could still outweigh the benefit if that loss means the difference between "a traditional powerhouse went undefeated in a major conference? They have to get in" and "Why should a team that lost to 8-4 Texas A&M get into the playoffs over other one loss teams."  The playoffs won't prevent teams from taking scheduling risks as long as record is more important than strength of schedule.


From ESPN.com, 12/11/2013. Read and enjoy...

Radakovich, former Nebraska coach Tom Osborne and former NCAA executive Tom Jernstedt discussed the selection committee and how it will operate Wednesday at the Intercollegiate Athletic Forum, which is sponsored by IMG and presented by SportsBusiness Daily/Global/Journal.
   "If you look back over the last 10-20 years, there's all kinds of rationale that go into scheduling," Jernstedt said. "For wins. For revenue. ... Strength of schedule will become such an important factor that if you want to be under consideration, you need to have a more meaningful schedule than perhaps you've had in previous years."
   Osborne said some programs could be in a bind no matter what they do with their nonconference schedules.
"A lot of teams are going to be at the mercy of their strength of their conference," he said.
 
2014-04-02 06:38:00 PM

IAmRight: TheOther: I'm ashamed of Texas non-conference schedule...and just about every other solid program's.  There are about 50 teams that should be bumped down a division (Yeah, you North Texas and Sam Houston and LA-Monroe and SEWestern Louisiana Tech A&M) and any Div-1 team that plays a non-Div 1 team, banned from post-season play that year.

A) Sam Houston St. is already in the FCS
B) All of those teams are Div 1 teams
C) Ask Alabama and Arkansas about how much ULM deserves to be bumped down
D) Why should we take your opinions regarding scheduling seriously when you don't know simple things like this?

BTW, eliminating FBS vs FCS games doesn't hurt FBS schools at all - but it does basically kill FCS kids' shot to play on a big stage as well as destroy all of their athletic budgets - they get more money from a game against an FBS school than they do winning a title.


A)  I thought the Southland was an FBS conference...this makes it even worse!
B) Yes,all those schools should be bumped down to FCS and no FBS school allowed to play them.
C) Phear the NDSU, not ULM.
D) Just how serious do you think this is?

As for the charity aspect of Big Time vs. Small School, if Big Times are really interested... and maybe some of their tax-exempt status should depend on pro-bono contributions, let an Alabama and a Texas, or an Oklahoma and a USC, schedule a game with all the proceeds above costs, including television revenue, going to small school athletic programs.  Better games, more money, no more using the little guys for punching bags.  If you go to an FCS school to 'play on a big stage', that's probably a mistake.
 
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