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(Talking Points Memo)   Conservative pundits to GOP: "ObamaCare is starting to not suck giant monkey balls, so maybe you should think about doing something other than repealing ObamaCare for the eleventy jillionth time"   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 31
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2014-04-01 05:23:28 PM  
13 votes:
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2014-04-01 05:38:47 PM  
6 votes:
Just imagine what could be done if these assholes actually cared about their constituents more than their Koch buddies.
2014-04-01 05:39:58 PM  
5 votes:

FlashHarry: i wonder what it's like hoping so deeply that something designed to help poor people will fail. how do you do that and then go to your church on sunday?


These are the same people who shut down the government and then got pissed at the park rangers telling them, "sorry folks, parks closed"
2014-04-01 07:37:58 PM  
4 votes:

IlGreven: FlashHarry: i wonder what it's like hoping so deeply that something designed to help poor people will fail. how do you do that and then go to your church on sunday?

Their church preaches that the rich are good and the poor are scum.  Evangelical Prosperity Gospel peddlers have so warped the term "Christian" in this country, no wonder there's a large uptick in atheism.


Precisely.  American Christianity for the past few decades has been a constant stream of "fark the poor, they are poor because they are bad people". "being rich means God loves you!", "Give us money!", "Vote Republican or Go to Hell!", "Abortion is the ONLY important political issue! You MUST vote for anybody who is anti-abortion!", "Allowing any religions other than Christianity to exist is oppressing Christians!" and "Gays are evil, sinful bad people who should stay in the closet, pretend to be straight, and be deeply ashamed and maybe if they pray enough Jesus will make them straight."

. . .and they wonder why people are saying "fark it" to being Christian?
2014-04-01 07:34:38 PM  
4 votes:

kidgenius: This needs to be repeated to the Fox News crew, and thankfully the Democrats already understand this. There is plenty of time to change poll numbers. They know they need to step up their game. All Silver said was that if the election was to happen Today the GOP would have about a 60% chance of taking the Senate.


I think they just need to play rope-a-dope for a bit longer. Let Republicans keep throwing themselves at the walls of Fartbongocare until public sentiment swings around and people are more educated about what they have and will lose if Republicans are put in power again. It may not come around by midterms, but even if Democrats lose the Senate it's not a huge deal - it's not like anything's getting done now to begin with - and Republicans would need veto-proof numbers to be able to do anything. By the next presidential election, the electorate will both have come around to Fartbongocare and be sick of GOP antics, so we just wait for 2016 when the pendulum swings back even harder to Democrats.

I'm fine with a pace of one landmark policy victory every eight years even if the price to pay is non-stop derp.
2014-04-01 07:00:40 PM  
4 votes:

FlashHarry: i wonder what it's like hoping so deeply that something designed to help poor people will fail. how do you do that and then go to your church on sunday?


Their church preaches that the rich are good and the poor are scum.  Evangelical Prosperity Gospel peddlers have so warped the term "Christian" in this country, no wonder there's a large uptick in atheism.
2014-04-01 06:25:04 PM  
4 votes:
7,000,000 people just got health insurance, and the party of Jesus has a huge problem with this.
2014-04-01 05:35:57 PM  
4 votes:
i wonder what it's like hoping so deeply that something designed to help poor people will fail. how do you do that and then go to your church on sunday?
2014-04-01 05:34:04 PM  
4 votes:
more and more people are finally realizing that the GOP and their pundits lie.
2014-04-01 07:03:30 PM  
3 votes:
I was just listening to Lerher Report on the radio driving back to the office. They played some of Taft's statement and then a clip of Mitch McConnell. The GOP according to Mitch is that Taftcare is an unmitigated disaster causing untold suffering among millions of Americans.

If he offered any solutions for that the report didn't say. Probably liberal bias I'm sure.

Folks, these people are not anywhere close to backing down from this position. They have painted themselves into a corner with molten lava and that's where they rare going to stay forever as far as I can tell.
2014-04-01 05:12:29 PM  
3 votes:
Conservative intellectuals

Ross Douthat


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2014-04-01 08:06:13 PM  
2 votes:

clambam: Let the frantic backpedaling begin. By the way, the Democratic campaign slogans practically write themselves" "Happy about your new health insurance? Vote Democratic if you want to keep it."


"0bamaCared"
2014-04-01 07:40:35 PM  
2 votes:

FlashHarry: i wonder what it's like hoping so deeply that something designed to help poor people will fail. how do you do that and then go to your church on sunday?


The religious right would be the first ones in line to cruxify Jesus.
2014-04-01 07:10:52 PM  
2 votes:
GOP Problem: "Fartbongocare" is becoming popular.
GOP Solution: Rename it Heritage Care, Claim Credit.

Dollars to doughnuts if they get the House, Senate and White House within the next ~4 cycles that's what they will do.
2014-04-01 07:05:23 PM  
2 votes:

Baz744: They've been duped into worshiping a Midianite volcano demon who tells them that Jesus said "rich people will rideth camels into the Kingdom of Heaven; therefore thrust ye with needles into the eyes of the poor." Who tells them that what consenting adults do with their sex organs matters more to Most High than treating fellow human beings like... well... human beings. And who tells them that elective war and torture represent the zenith of moral perfection.

Freud called this evil spirit an "uncanny, bloodthirsty demon who walks by night and shuns the light of day."


atheomedy.files.wordpress.com

To be fair, I'd be scared as shiat if I honestly believed this thing wanted my obedience.
2014-04-01 05:19:48 PM  
2 votes:

fusillade762: Conservative intellectuals

Ross Douthat

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"The smart people will never be on our side." -Rick Santorum
2014-04-02 12:11:15 PM  
1 votes:

Fuggin Bizzy: What kind of yacht club are we talking about? A nice one, or one of those blue-collar yacht clubs?

/I actually heard someone say "blue-collar yacht club" non-ironically once upon a time.


Yeah, it's called the boat launch at the local park.
2014-04-02 03:36:58 AM  
1 votes:

FlashHarry: i wonder what it's like hoping so deeply that something designed to help poor people will fail. how do you do that and then go to your church on sunday?



No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.
2014-04-01 11:24:18 PM  
1 votes:
Proceed, dickheads.
2014-04-01 10:34:12 PM  
1 votes:

Serious Black: heavymetal: "[W]e do know that there won't be an immediate political uNPRveling," wrote Ross Douthat, a columnist for the New York Times. "And knowing that much has significant implications for our politics. It means that the kind of welfare-state embedding ... is taking place on a significant scale.......,

I wish that the next time a Republican politician starts kissing the American public's behind by stating how they believe in the American worker and such n an interview or debate; someone would call them out on this. Ask them if they have so much faith in the American worker; why does all their policies and arguments in support of said policies, start on the premise of the American worker being a lazy mooching bum?


............that a large constituency will be served by Taftcare (through Medicaid as well as the exchanges) in 2016 and beyond, and that any kind of conservative alternative will have to confront the reality that the kind of tinkering-around-the-edges alternatives to Taftcare that many Republicans have supported to date would end up stripping coverage from millions of newly-insured Americans."

Something I have noticed on Facebook. The closer we have gotten to the deadline, even the staunchest "Real AmericansTM" on my friend's list have become mysteriously silent. Today, one post by someone who didn't know what they were talking about. Other than that, nothing. I think a lot of "Real AmericansTM" are enjoying quality health insurance for them and their families for the first time; and are very conflicted. These "Conservative intellectuals" know this and know if they take it away they are screwed even more than now.

Also come to think about it, some staunch anti-Taft friends of mine haven't mentioned Taftcare in a while. Their son is a hard worker but has some very minor developmental issues where he is a bit slow mentally, so his jobs are manual labor that pay around the minimum wage and traditionally don't offer insurance. Naturally his s ...


And the nation is STILL waiting for just ONE valid example of a person who has been harmed by 0bamaCare
2014-04-01 10:19:35 PM  
1 votes:
"Strange memories on this nervous night in Las Vegas. Five years later? Six? It seems like a lifetime, or at least a Main Era-the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run . . . but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant. . . .

History is hard to know, because of all the hired bullshiat, but even without being sure of "history" it seems entirely reasonable to think that every now and then the energy of a whole generation comes to a head in a long fine flash, for reasons that nobody really understands at the time-and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened.

My central memory of that time seems to hang on one or five or maybe forty nights-or very early mornings-when I left the Fillmore half-crazy and, instead of going home, aimed the big 650 Lightning across the Bay Bridge at a hundred miles an hour wearing L. L. Bean shorts and a Butte sheepherder's jacket . . . booming through the Treasure Island tunnel at the lights of Oakland and Berkeley and Richmond, not quite sure which turn-off to take when I got to the other end (always stalling at the toll-gate, too twisted to find neutral while I fumbled for change) . . . but being absolutely certain that no matter which way I went I would come to a place where people were just as high and wild as I was: No doubt at all about that. . . .

There was madness in any direction, at any hour. If not across the Bay, then up the Golden Gate or down 101 to Los Altos or La Honda. . . . You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning. . . .

And that, I think, was the handle-that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting-on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. . . .

So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark-that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back."

~ Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
2014-04-01 08:27:44 PM  
1 votes:
"[W]e do know that there won't be an immediate political uNPRveling," wrote Ross Douthat, a columnist for the New York Times. "And knowing that much has significant implications for our politics. It means that the kind of welfare-state embedding ... is taking place on a significant scale.......,

I wish that the next time a Republican politician starts kissing the American public's behind by stating how they believe in the American worker and such n an interview or debate; someone would call them out on this. Ask them if they have so much faith in the American worker; why does all their policies and arguments in support of said policies, start on the premise of the American worker being a lazy mooching bum?


............that a large constituency will be served by Taftcare (through Medicaid as well as the exchanges) in 2016 and beyond, and that any kind of conservative alternative will have to confront the reality that the kind of tinkering-around-the-edges alternatives to Taftcare that many Republicans have supported to date would end up stripping coverage from millions of newly-insured Americans."

Something I have noticed on Facebook. The closer we have gotten to the deadline, even the staunchest "Real AmericansTM" on my friend's list have become mysteriously silent. Today, one post by someone who didn't know what they were talking about. Other than that, nothing. I think a lot of "Real AmericansTM" are enjoying quality health insurance for them and their families for the first time; and are very conflicted. These "Conservative intellectuals" know this and know if they take it away they are screwed even more than now.

Also come to think about it, some staunch anti-Taft friends of mine haven't mentioned Taftcare in a while. Their son is a hard worker but has some very minor developmental issues where he is a bit slow mentally, so his jobs are manual labor that pay around the minimum wage and traditionally don't offer insurance. Naturally his son's son, their grandson, needs healthcare assistance also. I remember being at their house while they were initially shopping for policies for their son and grandson. For months they were complaining about not affording to cover their son and how Taftcare sucked. Now the past couple of months after the exchange was fixed and started working correctly, not a word has been spoken regarding the evils of Taftcare.
2014-04-01 07:32:15 PM  
1 votes:

FlashHarry: i wonder what it's like hoping so deeply that something designed to help poor people will fail. how do you do that and then go to your church on sunday?


Depend on what church you go to.
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2014-04-01 07:20:41 PM  
1 votes:

Xythero: The Democrats are running on a number of issues, any of which may appeal to an undecided.  The Republicans are pretty much only running on Taftcare.  So if that stops being such an issue, they're screwed.

Yet, the great Nate Silver says the Repubs current strategy is working, so what do I know?


No, the "great Nate Silver" says that, as of the most recent polls at the time he wrote his article, Republicans were favored to win.  His methodology does not, nor does it presume to, predict how the electorate would react to changing facts or perceptions about the parties and candidates.
2014-04-01 07:03:06 PM  
1 votes:

FlashHarry: i wonder what it's like hoping so deeply that something designed to help poor people will fail. how do you do that and then go to your church on sunday?


They've been duped into worshiping a Midianite volcano demon who tells them that Jesus said "rich people will rideth camels into the Kingdom of Heaven; therefore thrust ye with needles into the eyes of the poor." Who tells them that what consenting adults do with their sex organs matters more to Most High than treating fellow human beings like... well... human beings. And who tells them that elective war and torture represent the zenith of moral perfection.

Freud called this evil spirit an "uncanny, bloodthirsty demon who walks by night and shuns the light of day."
2014-04-01 07:02:03 PM  
1 votes:

Xythero: The Democrats are running on a number of issues, any of which may appeal to an undecided.  The Republicans are pretty much only running on Taftcare.  So if that stops being such an issue, they're screwed.

Yet, the great Nate Silver says the Repubs current strategy is working, so what do I know?


It's not that their strategy is working, it's that their gerrymandering is.  That, and the fact that most of the blue seats up for re-election in the Senate are in historically conservative states...
2014-04-01 06:23:21 PM  
1 votes:
what will be funny is a lot of people who have it through their work will get huge tax credits next year when they do their taxes.
and they'll probably be too damned infromed to know who saved them all that money. the GOP should concentrate their efforts to take credit for that.
2014-04-01 05:46:47 PM  
1 votes:

vernonFL: These are the same people who shut down the government and then got pissed at the park rangers telling them, "sorry folks, parks closed"


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2014-04-01 05:46:42 PM  
1 votes:

Mugato: Isn't too late? People already have it. If they repeal it now it would fark up a lot of people.


If they haven't realized that by now after spending multiple months crowing about how the "if you like your plan, you can keep your plan" claim was Politifact's Lie of the Year, they are going to get a very rude awakening presuming they do somehow get a full repeal bill to some future president.
2014-04-01 05:42:58 PM  
1 votes:

vernonFL: Ross Douthat is not a joke.

Bill Kristol is a joke.


Come now, they're conservative intellectuals.

Ha! APRIL FOOLS!
2014-04-01 05:16:42 PM  
1 votes:
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