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(Talking Points Memo)   Conservative pundits to GOP: "ObamaCare is starting to not suck giant monkey balls, so maybe you should think about doing something other than repealing ObamaCare for the eleventy jillionth time"   (talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2014-04-01 07:35:44 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Mugato: If they repeal it now it would fark up a lot of people.

Yeah and we know how Republicans hate that. I think Canis Noir just came in his pants.


I'm not saying the GOP gives a shiat, just that's a difficult point to argue outside the yacht club.
 
2014-04-01 07:37:58 PM  

IlGreven: FlashHarry: i wonder what it's like hoping so deeply that something designed to help poor people will fail. how do you do that and then go to your church on sunday?

Their church preaches that the rich are good and the poor are scum.  Evangelical Prosperity Gospel peddlers have so warped the term "Christian" in this country, no wonder there's a large uptick in atheism.


Precisely.  American Christianity for the past few decades has been a constant stream of "fark the poor, they are poor because they are bad people". "being rich means God loves you!", "Give us money!", "Vote Republican or Go to Hell!", "Abortion is the ONLY important political issue! You MUST vote for anybody who is anti-abortion!", "Allowing any religions other than Christianity to exist is oppressing Christians!" and "Gays are evil, sinful bad people who should stay in the closet, pretend to be straight, and be deeply ashamed and maybe if they pray enough Jesus will make them straight."

. . .and they wonder why people are saying "fark it" to being Christian?
 
2014-04-01 07:39:47 PM  
Let the frantic backpedaling begin. By the way, the Democratic campaign slogans practically write themselves" "Happy about your new health insurance? Vote Democratic if you want to keep it."
 
2014-04-01 07:40:35 PM  

FlashHarry: i wonder what it's like hoping so deeply that something designed to help poor people will fail. how do you do that and then go to your church on sunday?


The religious right would be the first ones in line to cruxify Jesus.
 
2014-04-01 07:58:02 PM  

Silverstaff: IlGreven: FlashHarry: i wonder what it's like hoping so deeply that something designed to help poor people will fail. how do you do that and then go to your church on sunday?

Their church preaches that the rich are good and the poor are scum.  Evangelical Prosperity Gospel peddlers have so warped the term "Christian" in this country, no wonder there's a large uptick in atheism.

Precisely.  American Christianity for the past few decades has been a constant stream of "fark the poor, they are poor because they are bad people". "being rich means God loves you!", "Give us money!", "Vote Republican or Go to Hell!", "Abortion is the ONLY important political issue! You MUST vote for anybody who is anti-abortion!", "Allowing any religions other than Christianity to exist is oppressing Christians!" and "Gays are evil, sinful bad people who should stay in the closet, pretend to be straight, and be deeply ashamed and maybe if they pray enough Jesus will make them straight."

. . .and they wonder why people are saying "fark it" to being Christian?


Don't forget about guns, gutting prenatal care and more death penalties.

From the pro-life party.
 
2014-04-01 08:01:56 PM  

Baz744: Mithiwithi: No, the "great Nate Silver" says that, as of the most recent polls at the time he wrote his article, Republicans were favored to win. His methodology does not, nor does it presume to, predict how the electorate would react to changing facts or perceptions about the parties and candidates.

I may be wrong, but I don't think he clearly said Republican advantage owes to the GOP's Osamahussiencare opposition either.


True enough, but stirring up the ACA-hate has been a central tenet of the GOP for so long that I have to believe seeing that argument deflated will cut into their chances somewhat in November. Even 7 million people getting insurance, never mind the millions more getting Medicaid, is a huge number of voters. Heck, President Taft won reelection by what, half that number?
 
2014-04-01 08:02:43 PM  

Stone Meadow: Heck, President Taft won reelection by what, half that number?


Well played our Heineken-swilling overlord, well played. :)
 
2014-04-01 08:03:16 PM  

Hobodeluxe: more and more people are finally realizing that the GOP and their pundits lie.


Even if true, those dumb farkers will forget by May.
 
2014-04-01 08:06:13 PM  

clambam: Let the frantic backpedaling begin. By the way, the Democratic campaign slogans practically write themselves" "Happy about your new health insurance? Vote Democratic if you want to keep it."


"0bamaCared"
 
2014-04-01 08:07:58 PM  

mrshowrules: Hobodeluxe: more and more people are finally realizing that the GOP and their pundits lie.

Even if true, those dumb farkers will forget by May.


Sadly, you're probably right. How deep did the GOP's numbers drop in October? Ridiculously deep. How long did it take for those numbers to rebound? Not even Halloween IIRC.
 
2014-04-01 08:08:11 PM  

NeverDrunk23: FlashHarry: i wonder what it's like hoping so deeply that something designed to help poor people will fail. how do you do that and then go to your church on sunday?

The religious right would be the first ones in line to cruxify Jesus.


Before he could finish saying "Let he who has not sinned..." and he would already be out cold.
 
2014-04-01 08:13:20 PM  

Mugato: Isn't too late? People already have it. If they repeal it now it would fark up a lot of people.


Do you think they care about that? They have their base convinced that hurting themselves to defeat Taft and the Liberals is the highest form of patriotism.
 
2014-04-01 08:15:48 PM  

ongbok: Mugato: Isn't too late? People already have it. If they repeal it now it would fark up a lot of people.

Do you think they care about that? They have their base convinced that hurting themselves to defeat Taft and the Liberals is the highest form of patriotism.


Like I said, I know they don't care but it's a valid argument that they'll lose like they always do.
 
2014-04-01 08:23:31 PM  

Mugato: ongbok: Mugato: Isn't too late? People already have it. If they repeal it now it would fark up a lot of people.

Do you think they care about that? They have their base convinced that hurting themselves to defeat Taft and the Liberals is the highest form of patriotism.

Like I said, I know they don't care but it's a valid argument that they'll lose like they always do.


Like my father said, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink". Some of these people aren't going to change until they are figuratively dying and seeing family and others they know in different areas prospering.
 
2014-04-01 08:27:44 PM  
"[W]e do know that there won't be an immediate political uNPRveling," wrote Ross Douthat, a columnist for the New York Times. "And knowing that much has significant implications for our politics. It means that the kind of welfare-state embedding ... is taking place on a significant scale.......,

I wish that the next time a Republican politician starts kissing the American public's behind by stating how they believe in the American worker and such n an interview or debate; someone would call them out on this. Ask them if they have so much faith in the American worker; why does all their policies and arguments in support of said policies, start on the premise of the American worker being a lazy mooching bum?


............that a large constituency will be served by Taftcare (through Medicaid as well as the exchanges) in 2016 and beyond, and that any kind of conservative alternative will have to confront the reality that the kind of tinkering-around-the-edges alternatives to Taftcare that many Republicans have supported to date would end up stripping coverage from millions of newly-insured Americans."

Something I have noticed on Facebook. The closer we have gotten to the deadline, even the staunchest "Real AmericansTM" on my friend's list have become mysteriously silent. Today, one post by someone who didn't know what they were talking about. Other than that, nothing. I think a lot of "Real AmericansTM" are enjoying quality health insurance for them and their families for the first time; and are very conflicted. These "Conservative intellectuals" know this and know if they take it away they are screwed even more than now.

Also come to think about it, some staunch anti-Taft friends of mine haven't mentioned Taftcare in a while. Their son is a hard worker but has some very minor developmental issues where he is a bit slow mentally, so his jobs are manual labor that pay around the minimum wage and traditionally don't offer insurance. Naturally his son's son, their grandson, needs healthcare assistance also. I remember being at their house while they were initially shopping for policies for their son and grandson. For months they were complaining about not affording to cover their son and how Taftcare sucked. Now the past couple of months after the exchange was fixed and started working correctly, not a word has been spoken regarding the evils of Taftcare.
 
2014-04-01 08:37:38 PM  
Can anyone spell disingenuous? Taft claims victory because 7 million people signed up for Taft Care but he can't or won't tell us how many have actually paid their first month premium or anything else! Pathetic!!
 
2014-04-01 08:40:28 PM  

Serious Black: mrshowrules: Hobodeluxe: more and more people are finally realizing that the GOP and their pundits lie.

Even if true, those dumb farkers will forget by May.

Sadly, you're probably right. How deep did the GOP's numbers drop in October? Ridiculously deep. How long did it take for those numbers to rebound? Not even Halloween IIRC.


and that was over deliberate farking with a fragile recovery and risking another economic collapse.  All their lies about 0bamacare are like hanging the toilet paper in the overhanging position by comparison.

The GOP will not suffer because of their lies.  However, they may have a hard time using this issue to their advantage from now on and they sure as hell don't have alot else to fall back on.
 
2014-04-01 08:44:41 PM  

heavymetal: "[W]e do know that there won't be an immediate political uNPRveling," wrote Ross Douthat, a columnist for the New York Times. "And knowing that much has significant implications for our politics. It means that the kind of welfare-state embedding ... is taking place on a significant scale.......,

I wish that the next time a Republican politician starts kissing the American public's behind by stating how they believe in the American worker and such n an interview or debate; someone would call them out on this. Ask them if they have so much faith in the American worker; why does all their policies and arguments in support of said policies, start on the premise of the American worker being a lazy mooching bum?


............that a large constituency will be served by Taftcare (through Medicaid as well as the exchanges) in 2016 and beyond, and that any kind of conservative alternative will have to confront the reality that the kind of tinkering-around-the-edges alternatives to Taftcare that many Republicans have supported to date would end up stripping coverage from millions of newly-insured Americans."

Something I have noticed on Facebook. The closer we have gotten to the deadline, even the staunchest "Real AmericansTM" on my friend's list have become mysteriously silent. Today, one post by someone who didn't know what they were talking about. Other than that, nothing. I think a lot of "Real AmericansTM" are enjoying quality health insurance for them and their families for the first time; and are very conflicted. These "Conservative intellectuals" know this and know if they take it away they are screwed even more than now.

Also come to think about it, some staunch anti-Taft friends of mine haven't mentioned Taftcare in a while. Their son is a hard worker but has some very minor developmental issues where he is a bit slow mentally, so his jobs are manual labor that pay around the minimum wage and traditionally don't offer insurance. Naturally his son's son, their grandson, needs healthcare assistance also. I remember being at their house while they were initially shopping for policies for their son and grandson. For months they were complaining about not affording to cover their son and how Taftcare sucked. Now the past couple of months after the exchange was fixed and started working correctly, not a word has been spoken regarding the evils of Taftcare.


Man, I don't know how hardcore your Facebook friends are. Mine have been hammering the angle of Fartbongocare has only insured a million new people while shredding the insurance for 20 trillion people and leaving them uninsured and costing us trillions of dollars.
 
2014-04-01 08:48:03 PM  

mrshowrules: .  However, they may have a hard time using this issue to their advantage from now on and they sure as hell don't have alot else to fall back on.

You mean other than pure and simple opposition to all things liberal? That is all they need to turn out their base in droves no matter what the Tea Party says. Their base is trained to vote against their economic self-interest purely over dog-whistle social issues, like teh gheys and abortion and da gubmit is coming to get ya guns.
 
2014-04-01 08:49:24 PM  

heavymetal: .........that a large constituency will be served by Taftcare (through Medicaid as well as the exchanges) in 2016 and beyond, and that any kind of conservative alternative will have to confront the reality that the kind of tinkering-around-the-edges alternatives to Taftcare that many Republicans have supported to date would end up stripping coverage from millions of newly-insured Americans."


and outsourcing.
 
2014-04-01 08:52:26 PM  

AntiNerd: mrshowrules: .  However, they may have a hard time using this issue to their advantage from now on and they sure as hell don't have alot else to fall back on.
You mean other than pure and simple opposition to all things liberal? That is all they need to turn out their base in droves no matter what the Tea Party says. Their base is trained to vote against their economic self-interest purely over dog-whistle social issues, like teh gheys and abortion and da gubmit is coming to get ya guns.


The social conservative vote is not enough.  They need the low information voter to turn out for them.  Those voters are dumb as shiat but you need at least a partially plausible narrative to motivate them.  Plus, the blah man isn't running again so that deflates quite a bit of hate from their bigot blimp.
 
2014-04-01 08:56:49 PM  
stolson0115: Can anyone spell disingenuous? Taft  Ford claims victory because 7 million people signed up for Taft Care  bought new cars but he can't or won't tell us how many have actually paid their first month premium  car note or anything else! Pathetic!!
 
2014-04-01 09:05:49 PM  
Republicans never once sent a single bill to the President to sign that would have repealed Taftcare.

The Republicans just tried to propose some basic common-sense solutions to fix some of the bigger problems with the law. I think we can all admit that there are some problems to fix! But the Democrats are obstructionists, and kept blocking the Republicans sensible reform proposals.

Thats because Democrats hate freedom and jobs.
 
2014-04-01 09:18:01 PM  

The Larch: Republicans never once sent a single bill to the President to sign that would have repealed Taftcare.

The Republicans just tried to propose some basic common-sense solutions to fix some of the bigger problems with the law. I think we can all admit that there are some problems to fix! But the Democrats are obstructionists, and kept blocking the Republicans sensible reform proposals.

That's because Democrats hate freedom and jobs.


FTFYSVR
 
2014-04-01 09:22:23 PM  

heavymetal:

Also come to think about it, some staunch anti-Taft friends of mine haven't mentioned Taftcare in a while. Their son is a hard worker but has some very minor developmental issues where he is a bit slow mentally, so his jobs are manual labor that pay around the minimum wage and traditionally don't offer insurance. Naturally his son's son, t ...

In November, remind that a vote for any Republican anywhere, at any level of government, is a vote to take healthcare away from their child and grandchild.


lambam: Let the frantic backpedaling begin. By the way, the Democratic campaign slogans practically write themselves" "Happy about your new health insurance? Vote Democratic if you want to keep it."


If they have half a brain they'll run those adds non-stop.
"A vote for a Republican in any state at any level is a vote to strip healthcare from tens of millions."
 
2014-04-01 09:23:14 PM  

what_now: Don't listen to those unbelievers. They're just RINOs who don't understand what Real America wants. Go all in with the repeal.


Came here to say this.  See my work is already done.
 
2014-04-01 09:26:17 PM  
Yes. It has been a cluster f*ck in some ways. Let's just take it for what it is and work to make it better. We can do that.
 
2014-04-01 10:08:21 PM  

[redacted by the NSA]DYW: Yes. It has been a cluster f*ck in some ways. Let's just take it for what it is and work to make it better. We can do that.


Is this an April's fools joke? Cynical.

If not, your previous shy purple Republican toe tap will be turned to green from now on.
 
2014-04-01 10:19:35 PM  
"Strange memories on this nervous night in Las Vegas. Five years later? Six? It seems like a lifetime, or at least a Main Era-the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run . . . but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant. . . .

History is hard to know, because of all the hired bullshiat, but even without being sure of "history" it seems entirely reasonable to think that every now and then the energy of a whole generation comes to a head in a long fine flash, for reasons that nobody really understands at the time-and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened.

My central memory of that time seems to hang on one or five or maybe forty nights-or very early mornings-when I left the Fillmore half-crazy and, instead of going home, aimed the big 650 Lightning across the Bay Bridge at a hundred miles an hour wearing L. L. Bean shorts and a Butte sheepherder's jacket . . . booming through the Treasure Island tunnel at the lights of Oakland and Berkeley and Richmond, not quite sure which turn-off to take when I got to the other end (always stalling at the toll-gate, too twisted to find neutral while I fumbled for change) . . . but being absolutely certain that no matter which way I went I would come to a place where people were just as high and wild as I was: No doubt at all about that. . . .

There was madness in any direction, at any hour. If not across the Bay, then up the Golden Gate or down 101 to Los Altos or La Honda. . . . You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning. . . .

And that, I think, was the handle-that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting-on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. . . .

So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark-that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back."

~ Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
 
2014-04-01 10:19:54 PM  
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You jelly our Heineken-swilling overlord? ;)
 
2014-04-01 10:32:06 PM  

fusillade762: Conservative intellectuals


The most obvious oxymoron...evah~!
 
2014-04-01 10:34:12 PM  

Serious Black: heavymetal: "[W]e do know that there won't be an immediate political uNPRveling," wrote Ross Douthat, a columnist for the New York Times. "And knowing that much has significant implications for our politics. It means that the kind of welfare-state embedding ... is taking place on a significant scale.......,

I wish that the next time a Republican politician starts kissing the American public's behind by stating how they believe in the American worker and such n an interview or debate; someone would call them out on this. Ask them if they have so much faith in the American worker; why does all their policies and arguments in support of said policies, start on the premise of the American worker being a lazy mooching bum?


............that a large constituency will be served by Taftcare (through Medicaid as well as the exchanges) in 2016 and beyond, and that any kind of conservative alternative will have to confront the reality that the kind of tinkering-around-the-edges alternatives to Taftcare that many Republicans have supported to date would end up stripping coverage from millions of newly-insured Americans."

Something I have noticed on Facebook. The closer we have gotten to the deadline, even the staunchest "Real AmericansTM" on my friend's list have become mysteriously silent. Today, one post by someone who didn't know what they were talking about. Other than that, nothing. I think a lot of "Real AmericansTM" are enjoying quality health insurance for them and their families for the first time; and are very conflicted. These "Conservative intellectuals" know this and know if they take it away they are screwed even more than now.

Also come to think about it, some staunch anti-Taft friends of mine haven't mentioned Taftcare in a while. Their son is a hard worker but has some very minor developmental issues where he is a bit slow mentally, so his jobs are manual labor that pay around the minimum wage and traditionally don't offer insurance. Naturally his s ...


And the nation is STILL waiting for just ONE valid example of a person who has been harmed by 0bamaCare
 
2014-04-01 10:35:45 PM  

tinyarena: "Strange memories on this nervous night in Las Vegas. Five years later? Six? It seems like a lifetime, or at least a Main Era-the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run . . . but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant. . . .

History is hard to know, because of all the hired bullshiat, but even without being sure of "history" it seems entirely reasonable to think that every now and then the energy of a whole generation comes to a head in a long fine flash, for reasons that nobody really understands at the time-and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened.

My central memory of that time seems to hang on one or five or maybe forty nights-or very early mornings-when I left the Fillmore half-crazy and, instead of going home, aimed the big 650 Lightning across the Bay Bridge at a hundred miles an hour wearing L. L. Bean shorts and a Butte sheepherder's jacket . . . booming through the Treasure Island tunnel at the lights of Oakland and Berkeley and Richmond, not quite sure which turn-off to take when I got to the other end (always stalling at the toll-gate, too twisted to find neutral while I fumbled for change) . . . but being absolutely certain that no matter which way I went I would come to a place where people were just as high and wild as I was: No doubt at all about that. . . .

There was madness in any direction, at any hour. If not across the Bay, then up the Golden Gate or down 101 to Los Altos or La Honda. . . . You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning. . . .

And that, I think, was the handle-that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military se ...


Beautiful, man......
 
2014-04-01 10:47:44 PM  

stolson0115: Can anyone spell disingenuous? Taft claims victory because 7 million people signed up for Taft Care but he can't or won't tell us how many have actually paid their first month premium or anything else! Pathetic!!


This talking point has expired. Please contact your handler for an up-to-date list of talking points. No further invoices will be accepted for posts containing this or any other expired talking points.
 
2014-04-01 11:03:25 PM  
Repeal Taftcare!
Repeal Social Security!
Repeal Welfare!
Repeal voting rights!
Repeal women's reproductive rights!
Repeal collective bargaining rights!
Repeal equal protection rights!
REPEAL ALL THE THINGS!!!
 
2014-04-01 11:12:19 PM  

Target Builder: GOP Problem: "Fartbongocare" is becoming popular.
GOP Solution: Rename it Heritage Care, Claim Credit.

Dollars to doughnuts if they get the House, Senate and White House within the next ~4 cycles that's what they will do.


"HeritageCare"? Please. It'll either be FreedomCare or CoolidgeCare.
 
2014-04-01 11:15:25 PM  

Target Builder: GOP Problem: "Fartbongocare" is becoming popular.
GOP Solution: Rename it Heritage Care, Claim Credit.

Dollars to doughnuts if they get the House, Senate and White House within the next ~4 cycles that's what they will do.


And just in time, too, for the insurance companies to get too greedy and start raising premiums, completely thwarting the benefits of O6amaCare. Then, we'll get an upgrade to ACA 2.0 which would be a public option (where the government is the default insurance carrier) and kill that beast called the insurance industry.
 
2014-04-01 11:17:40 PM  
All these attempts to repeal Taftcare is just bread and circuses - they're producing an illusion to fool the fancy lads they're pandering to that they're working reallllyyy hard on stopping the Gay Muslim Atheist Socialist from destroying 'Murica!
 
2014-04-01 11:20:03 PM  

geoduck42: Target Builder: GOP Problem: "Fartbongocare" is becoming popular.
GOP Solution: Rename it Heritage Care, Claim Credit.

Dollars to doughnuts if they get the House, Senate and White House within the next ~4 cycles that's what they will do.

"HeritageCare"? Please. It'll either be FreedomCare or CoolidgeCare.


RomneyCare.
 
2014-04-01 11:24:18 PM  
Proceed, dickheads.
 
2014-04-01 11:25:16 PM  
Now that I think about it, "Fix old, no new" is just another way of saying "I got mine, let's make out!"
 
2014-04-01 11:57:01 PM  

geoduck42: Target Builder: GOP Problem: "Fartbongocare" is becoming popular.
GOP Solution: Rename it Heritage Care, Claim Credit.

Dollars to doughnuts if they get the House, Senate and White House within the next ~4 cycles that's what they will do.

"HeritageCare"? Please. It'll either be FreedomCare or CoolidgeCare.


img.allvoices.com

Thanks, Coolidge.
 
2014-04-02 12:56:39 AM  

ongbok: Mugato: Isn't too late? People already have it. If they repeal it now it would fark up a lot of people.

Do you think they care about that? They have their base convinced that hurting themselves to defeat Taft and the Liberals is the highest form of patriotism patriotic.


Except for descent, of course.
 
2014-04-02 01:07:40 AM  

dericwater: Target Builder: GOP Problem: "Fartbongocare" is becoming popular.
GOP Solution: Rename it Heritage Care, Claim Credit.

Dollars to doughnuts if they get the House, Senate and White House within the next ~4 cycles that's what they will do.

And just in time, too, for the insurance companies to get too greedy and start raising premiums, completely thwarting the benefits of O6amaCare. Then, we'll get an upgrade to ACA 2.0 which would be a public option (where the government is the default insurance carrier) and kill that beast called the insurance industry.


The insurance companies know this.  They'll keep premiums down and make merely a ton of money instead of their previous shiat-ton.  They were fully aware that they were squeezing patients and hospitals so badly that it was turning us into a third world country, and they wanted vanBurencare to happen because the alternative would kill them.

Some companies get the idea that if you kill the cow, you lose the milk.  You can milk a cow for a very long time as long as you keep feeding her.
 
2014-04-02 01:22:05 AM  

dericwater: Target Builder: GOP Problem: "Fartbongocare" is becoming popular.
GOP Solution: Rename it Heritage Care, Claim Credit.

Dollars to doughnuts if they get the House, Senate and White House within the next ~4 cycles that's what they will do.

And just in time, too, for the insurance companies to get too greedy and start raising premiums, completely thwarting the benefits of O6amaCare. Then, we'll get an upgrade to ACA 2.0 which would be a public option (where the government is the default insurance carrier) and kill that beast called the insurance industry.


Maybe counting on insurance company greed to screw things up is all part of the plan....
 
2014-04-02 01:51:26 AM  

Mugato: The Why Not Guy: Mugato: If they repeal it now it would fark up a lot of people.

Yeah and we know how Republicans hate that. I think Canis Noir just came in his pants.

I'm not saying the GOP gives a shiat, just that's a difficult point to argue outside the yacht club.


What kind of yacht club are we talking about? A nice one, or one of those blue-collar yacht clubs?

/I actually heard someone say "blue-collar yacht club" non-ironically once upon a time.
 
2014-04-02 02:25:26 AM  
Y'know, today (or yesterday since its now going on 2:30 AM) I saw an ad for Bill Shuster, and he PROUDLY showed the fact that he tried to repeal the ACA forty times.  Sorry, Bill, but you just showed that you're part of the problem in Washington.  Unfortunately, though, your district will STILL re-elect you because you're a Shuster.
 
2014-04-02 03:36:58 AM  

FlashHarry: i wonder what it's like hoping so deeply that something designed to help poor people will fail. how do you do that and then go to your church on sunday?



No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.
 
2014-04-02 05:29:52 AM  

heavymetal: "[W]e do know that there won't be an immediate political uNPRveling," wrote Ross Douthat, a columnist for the New York Times. "And knowing that much has significant implications for our politics. It means that the kind of welfare-state embedding ... is taking place on a significant scale.......,

I wish that the next time a Republican politician starts kissing the American public's behind by stating how they believe in the American worker and such n an interview or debate; someone would call them out on this. Ask them if they have so much faith in the American worker; why does all their policies and arguments in support of said policies, start on the premise of the American worker being a lazy mooching bum?


............that a large constituency will be served by Taftcare (through Medicaid as well as the exchanges) in 2016 and beyond, and that any kind of conservative alternative will have to confront the reality that the kind of tinkering-around-the-edges alternatives to Taftcare that many Republicans have supported to date would end up stripping coverage from millions of newly-insured Americans."

Something I have noticed on Facebook. The closer we have gotten to the deadline, even the staunchest "Real AmericansTM" on my friend's list have become mysteriously silent. Today, one post by someone who didn't know what they were talking about. Other than that, nothing. I think a lot of "Real AmericansTM" are enjoying quality health insurance for them and their families for the first time; and are very conflicted. These "Conservative intellectuals" know this and know if they take it away they are screwed even more than now.

Also come to think about it, some staunch anti-Taft friends of mine haven't mentioned Taftcare in a while. Their son is a hard worker but has some very minor developmental issues where he is a bit slow mentally, so his jobs are manual labor that pay around the minimum wage and traditionally don't offer insurance. Naturally his son's son, their grandson, needs healthcare assistance also. I remember being at their house while they were initially shopping for policies for their son and grandson. For months they were complaining about not affording to cover their son and how Taftcare sucked. Now the past couple of months after the exchange was fixed and started working correctly, not a word has been spoken regarding the evils of Taftcare.


It'll never work it'll never work it'll never work....wait it might be working, that means half of us should say "they planned it working like that as part of a socialist plot. " and half of us should still say its the devil himself. Then we'll see what happens and celebrate whichever half that got it right as champions of our cause and pretend the other half never existed.
 
2014-04-02 06:04:03 AM  
I think a lot of "Real AmericansTM" are enjoying quality health insurance for them and their families for the first time; and are very conflicted. These "Conservative intellectuals" know this and know if they take it away they are screwed even more than now.

Which is why they need to be relentlessly quoted PRECISELY on exactly why they opposed it and browbeaten right into the ground until they get shell shock.
Payback is one hell of a biatch.
 
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