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(Patch)   Bleachers at the baseball stadium better than the softball field? That's a title 9-ing   (baldwin-whitehall.patch.com) divider line 19
    More: Asinine, baseball stadium, Office of Civil Rights, federal government, U.S. Department of Education  
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2014-04-01 04:05:09 PM
Pete.
 
2014-04-01 04:05:22 PM
good
 
2014-04-01 04:09:13 PM
[redacted by the NSA] are those people thinking?!
 
2014-04-01 04:11:57 PM
Easy solution: Create a girl's baseball team and a boy's softball team.
 
2014-04-01 04:12:53 PM
At some point the AD should have realized this was a Title IX problem-- probably when the boosters came to him/her with the plan.

Maybe they could have avoided tearing them out by raising money for the softball facility too.
 
WGJ
2014-04-01 04:27:49 PM

hobnail: At some point the AD should have realized this was a Title IX problem-- probably when the boosters came to him/her with the plan.

Maybe they could have avoided tearing them out by raising money for the softball facility too.


The athletes don't sit in the stands.
 
2014-04-01 04:30:25 PM

WGJ: hobnail: At some point the AD should have realized this was a Title IX problem-- probably when the boosters came to him/her with the plan.

Maybe they could have avoided tearing them out by raising money for the softball facility too.

The athletes don't sit in the stands.


And?
 
2014-04-01 04:36:52 PM

hobnail: At some point the AD should have realized this was a Title IX problem-- probably when the boosters came to him/her with the plan.

Maybe they could have avoided tearing them out by raising money for the softball facility too.


Title IX involves High Schools?
 
2014-04-01 04:48:04 PM
Would the last person possessed of common sense to leave the U.S. Department of Education please bring the flag? The rest of them wouldn't know what to do with it anyway.

This "hearing" should have lasted about 2 minutes:

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we feel that the baseball field should not have these upgraded seats because the softball field doesn't have them."

"How did the baseball team acquire the seats?"

"Well, they held fundraisers to purchase them."

"Were any federal or state funds used to purchase them?"

"No."

"Sounds like the softball team needs to hold some fundraisers. Next!"

My daughter has played softball. Softball teams are unapologetic fundraisers, and when they bag for tips or solicit donations outside of grocery stores, they receive exponentially greater funds than the boys. If it took 6 years for the boys, it would likely take less than 3 for the girls.
 
2014-04-01 04:52:04 PM

Broktun: hobnail: At some point the AD should have realized this was a Title IX problem-- probably when the boosters came to him/her with the plan.

Maybe they could have avoided tearing them out by raising money for the softball facility too.

Title IX involves High Schools?


As far as I know it involves any educational institution that gets federal funds.
 
2014-04-01 05:00:01 PM
 
2014-04-01 05:03:05 PM

steve42: Would the last person possessed of common sense to leave the U.S. Department of Education please bring the flag? The rest of them wouldn't know what to do with it anyway.

This "hearing" should have lasted about 2 minutes:

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we feel that the baseball field should not have these upgraded seats because the softball field doesn't have them."

"How did the baseball team acquire the seats?"

"Well, they held fundraisers to purchase them."

"Were any federal or state funds used to purchase them?"

"No."

"Sounds like the softball team needs to hold some fundraisers. Next!"

My daughter has played softball. Softball teams are unapologetic fundraisers, and when they bag for tips or solicit donations outside of grocery stores, they receive exponentially greater funds than the boys. If it took 6 years for the boys, it would likely take less than 3 for the girls.


That's the reason for Title IX, though. That those fundraisers and such almost always excluded the girls' teams, and female athletes always had to deal with significantly sub-par facilities, equipment, etc.

Would you be ok with someone who bought the school a new building, but said that only boys could use it? If not, why are you ok with this? The district had the option of upgrading the girls' field, and they took the road of taking down the nicer bleachers instead.
 
2014-04-01 05:08:39 PM
Would you be ok with someone who bought the school a new building, but said that only boys could use it? If not, why are you ok with this?

It would be upsetting, beucase boys and girls have equal chances at excelling in the school classroom.

The thing about sports is, men and women simply aren't equal. If they were you woldnt need mens and womens teams, and you wouldnt need Title IX.  Title IX should actually upset feminists, because it basically says the inferiority of women needs to be compensated for.

They schools dont spend the extra money on boys teams because they are boys. They spend the money there because that what get the most viewers, and therefore most sponsorships/donations, and that is all because they are better performers. If the girls played better, they would get all that. Money follows the money. not gender.
 
2014-04-01 05:14:48 PM

LemSkroob: Title IX should actually upset feminists, because it basically says the inferiority of women needs to be compensated for.


yeah, I'm super pissed about the law that that tries to prevent sexual assault on campus. fark that noise.

Learn a little more about what you're talking about.

also, this was bullshiat when it was greenlit over the weekend.

.http://www.fark.com/comments/8200035/Nice-set-of-bleachers-you-got- the re-A-bit-too-nice-Tear-them-down-tear-them-down-right-now
 
2014-04-01 06:08:02 PM

steve42: Would the last person possessed of common sense to leave the U.S. Department of Education please bring the flag? The rest of them wouldn't know what to do with it anyway.

This "hearing" should have lasted about 2 minutes:

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we feel that the baseball field should not have these upgraded seats because the softball field doesn't have them."

"How did the baseball team acquire the seats?"

"Well, they held fundraisers to purchase them."

"Were any federal or state funds used to purchase them?"

"No."

"Sounds like the softball team needs to hold some fundraisers. Next!"

My daughter has played softball. Softball teams are unapologetic fundraisers, and when they bag for tips or solicit donations outside of grocery stores, they receive exponentially greater funds than the boys. If it took 6 years for the boys, it would likely take less than 3 for the girls.


I always show up when the Girls' Softball team has a car wash.
I've even brought my car a few times.
 
2014-04-01 06:44:18 PM
The same headline meme three times in a row? That's enough internet for today.
 
2014-04-01 07:24:58 PM

Pitabred: That's the reason for Title IX, though. That those fundraisers and such almost always excluded the girls' teams, and female athletes always had to deal with significantly sub-par facilities, equipment, etc.

Would you be ok with someone who bought the school a new building, but said that only boys could use it? If not, why are you ok with this? The district had the option of upgrading the girls' field, and they took the road of taking down the nicer bleachers instead.


The fact that there are some differing opinions about what really happened not withstanding, your argument is riddled with inaccuracies and chaff.

The district didn't buy the seats. The school didn't even buy the seats.  The boosters bought the seats using funds collected by the baseball players and their parents.  Now, I know in this era of "you didn't build that" it's completely acceptable to demand that you get a cut of other people's efforts, but the fact is the softball team is more than capable of doing their own fundraising.

Telling the district that they must upgrade the softball facility with taxpayer funds to match the results of fundraising dollars is a surefire way to make the district do exactly what they did.

The accessibility argument that I have seen elsewhere is a huge pile of bravo-sierra.  When was the last time you saw a Section 508-compliant set of bleachers at a high school baseball or softball field? The risers they built for these seats would be extremely easy to add handrails to the sides, if they weren't there already, and if someone is in a wheelchair, they are going to park it in the grass regardless of the type of seating that is there.

As for the "boys only" argument, the feminists have already won that battle.  If a girl wants to play baseball and can cut it on the boys team, she's free to try.  Then her family can use the baseball seats instead of the softball bleachers.

Personally, I don't sit at my daughter's games.  I stand at the fence so I don't have to listen to the parents gossip while I'm trying to watch my daughter play, but I still don't demand that the baseball team raise funds for my daughter's team.
 
2014-04-01 07:33:31 PM

LemSkroob: Would you be ok with someone who bought the school a new building, but said that only boys could use it? If not, why are you ok with this?

It would be upsetting, beucase boys and girls have equal chances at excelling in the school classroom.

The thing about sports is, men and women simply aren't equal. If they were you woldnt need mens and womens teams, and you wouldnt need Title IX.  Title IX should actually upset feminists, because it basically says the inferiority of women needs to be compensated for.

They schools dont spend the extra money on boys teams because they are boys. They spend the money there because that what get the most viewers, and therefore most sponsorships/donations, and that is all because they are better performers. If the girls played better, they would get all that. Money follows the money. not gender.


I don't agree with this stance either.  In this particular case, it wasn't about the school spending the money.  It wasn't the school's money until the boosters handed it over in the form of new seating.

Boys get more fans at football games because there are more boys playing football, hence more relatives to watch the games.  Baseball gets fewer fans because there are fewer boys to draw the relatives.

At my kids' (admittedly private) school, the better performers have been the girls for the past several years.  Softball and Volleyball have won championships, Baseball and Football have had less than stellar records.  The boosters paid to install a volleyball system when the school was buying a new floor for the gymnasium.  That new floor benefited the boys and the girls.  The volleyball system didn't benefit the boys' teams at all.
 
2014-04-02 03:17:17 AM
Non-Americans say 'wha..?'
 
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