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(Gizmodo)   Murder a man in cold blood, 10 years. Sell heroin to puppies, 11 years. Laser a children's hospital helicopter, that will be 14 years of PMITA prison time   (gizmodo.com) divider line 68
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2014-04-01 11:43:50 PM  
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What are you, subby, like 12?
 
2014-04-02 01:07:27 AM  
So if his action had crashed the helicopter he would only have gotten ten years for murder and people are ok with that?  Maybe there is a problem with the scaling of sentencing but don't let the satisfaction of seeing one thug get punished get in the way of common sense.  How long of a sentence did his girlfriend get, she blasted the helicopter too?

Don't get me wrong, it is insanely dangerous to interfere with anyone piloting a giant pile of metal moving fast through a crowded city and these idiots should be pursued and brought to justice.  But what is just then?  Maybe we should look at a minimum of ten years for thugs throwing snowballs at bus drivers too, you know, to set an example!
 
2014-04-02 01:14:05 AM  

GBB: do any of those sentencing schedules deter anyone from committing those crimes?


Punishment doesn't deter crime. That's part of the big problem with America's legal system.

It's been proven in every society. In ancient Rome, Vestal Virgins were BURIED ALIVE for having sex before their service was over and their lovers were whipped to death. We know this because there were many who got buried and men who loved them despite the danger of being whipped to death.
 
2014-04-02 05:51:31 AM  
Because it's super easy to aim for the eyes of the pilot of a moving helecopter with a dollar store laser pointer.
From a half mile or more distance.
And keep it on target for the seconds necessary to have any effect.

People who make and support these laws are morons and absent any common sense.
 
2014-04-02 06:00:18 AM  
This guy had a serious problem with authority and the law to begin with, denied and flat out lied to the cops about what he was doing, not to mention getting his GF to try and take the blame.  Had he manned up and said, "Yer Honor, I'm a dumbfark and deserve what's coming to me," I suspect he might have done time but nowhere near as much.

And the lasers are a problem - there are at least a few pilots out there with permanent eye injuries from having gotten zapped.  Nobody's lost an airplane yet, but eventually it's gonna happen unless people figure out that this is a Remarkably Stupid Thing To Do(TM).


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/07/jetblue-pilot-suffers- ey e-injury-from-green-laser/

https://www.fas.org/nuke/control/ccw/news/bosnia981104_laser.html

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/12/us/pilots-laser-attacks/

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/dallas/Laser-Strike-Endangers-Air-Amb ul ance-240900111.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/sep/28/20040928-111356-3924 r/ ?page=all
 
2014-04-02 06:48:22 AM  

doglover: GBB: do any of those sentencing schedules deter anyone from committing those crimes?

Punishment doesn't deter crime. That's part of the big problem with America's legal system.

It's been proven in every society. In ancient Rome, Vestal Virgins were BURIED ALIVE for having sex before their service was over and their lovers were whipped to death. We know this because there were many who got buried and men who loved them despite the danger of being whipped to death.


Ziiiip.....go on...
 
2014-04-02 08:35:34 AM  

wigginiggins: That Guy Jeff: netringer: [media.tumblr.com image 400x400]

I guess subby thinks that those flight jockeys and their sick patients deserve to be farked with?   ...or killed?

Or, just maybe, some people don't believe in putting a human being in a cage for 14 years over an incident in which no one was injured, killed, or raped. You know, like some sort "human being" who can "empathize with others" and who knows that people make dumb mistakes sometimes and they probably shouldn't have their lives destroyed over it.

Attempted murder is not making "a dumb mistake" you sh#t stain.


Too bad there's not an a-hole button for you.
 
2014-04-02 08:41:54 AM  
"Possible more potentially damaging -- although not to the eye -- is that a regular pointer laser can overwhelm the eye with light, typically called flash blindness. If a person is walking a rocky path, operating machinery, a vehicle or aircraft, this temporary loss of vision could cause injury or disaster. At night, when the pupil is most open, the effects would be magnified."

From a Scientific American article.
 
2014-04-02 10:36:21 AM  
This is a jerky thing to do, but if we have that many incidents versus... whatever the number of helicopter crashes every year is (I assume its low, given that the 4 attempts I made to find it on Google all referenced the American Military in other parts of the world, the real "threat" seems trivial.

18 months sounds fine. 14 years sounds crazy?  This guy's a problem child but he's not a HARDENED criminal, he's just an irresponsible jackass.
 
2014-04-02 10:44:36 AM  

That Guy Jeff: netringer: [media.tumblr.com image 400x400]

I guess subby thinks that those flight jockeys and their sick patients deserve to be farked with?   ...or killed?

Or, just maybe, some people don't believe in putting a human being in a cage for 14 years over an incident in which no one was injured, killed, or raped. You know, like some sort "human being" who can "empathize with others" and who knows that people make dumb mistakes sometimes and they probably shouldn't have their lives destroyed over it.


So, actions should not have consequences?

This wasn't a mistake.  He didn't accidentally sweep his laser across the sky and light up a helicopter.  This was intentional and deliberate.  14 years is noteworthy (the article did list his priors as likely contributing to the length of the sentence), but it is not an insane reaction.
 
2014-04-02 10:48:27 AM  

hestheone: Because it's super easy to aim for the eyes of the pilot of a moving helecopter with a dollar store laser pointer.
From a half mile or more distance.
And keep it on target for the seconds necessary to have any effect.

People who make and support these laws are morons and absent any common sense.


Are you really this stupid?
 
2014-04-02 10:58:44 AM  

MycroftHolmes: So, actions should not have consequences?

This wasn't a mistake.  He didn't accidentally sweep his laser across the sky and light up a helicopter.  This was intentional and deliberate.  14 years is noteworthy (the article did list his priors as likely contributing to the length of the sentence), but it is not an insane reaction.


Well... its basically established that nobody has ever been significantly harmed by this, except for a few very minor eye injuries.  So really the lesson isn't, "Actions should have no consequences."  It's "Actions that are essentially proven to not harm anyone but could conceivably do so should not be punished the same as second degree murder."

Also his offenses were DUIs and a burglary.  It isn't like he's been out killing people with a hammer.
 
2014-04-02 11:04:26 AM  

Super_pope: MycroftHolmes: So, actions should not have consequences?

This wasn't a mistake.  He didn't accidentally sweep his laser across the sky and light up a helicopter.  This was intentional and deliberate.  14 years is noteworthy (the article did list his priors as likely contributing to the length of the sentence), but it is not an insane reaction.

Well... its basically established that nobody has ever been significantly harmed by this, except for a few very minor eye injuries.  So really the lesson isn't, "Actions should have no consequences."  It's "Actions that are essentially proven to not harm anyone but could conceivably do so should not be punished the same as second degree murder."

Also his offenses were DUIs and a burglary.  It isn't like he's been out killing people with a hammer.


A guy who shows aan escalating pattern of willlfully placing others at risk (DUI's plus the laser incident) does deserve a harsher sentence.

I also find it disingenuous when people take the outliers from one extreme (10 years for murder) and compare them to outliers from a different extreme and treat the as if they were equivalent.  The standard sentence for this crime was 18 months, not 14 years.  The standard sentence for murder is not 10 years.

By the way, statistically speaking, driving drunk is almost certainly not going to cause an accident.  If you look at the frequency that people do it (usually without getting caught) and the number of accidents, you would not find it to be statistically significant.  So, should DUI not be considered a crime?
 
2014-04-02 12:01:19 PM  

MycroftHolmes: By the way, statistically speaking, driving drunk is almost certainly not going to cause an accident.  If you look at the frequency that people do it (usually without getting caught) and the number of accidents, you would not find it to be statistically significant.  So, should DUI not be considered a crime?


Nice.  I said, "Actions that are essentially proven to not harm anyone but could conceivably do so should not be punished the same as second degree murder" and you jumped to, "Shouldn't be a crime."  Yep.  Doing potentially dangerous things shouldn't be a crime, that's exactly what I said.  You farking clown.  I even said 18 months sounds about right in my original comment, but your kneejerk reaction is to pounce in and go, "Hah you're ridiculous!  I bet you think shooting people is okay too!"

The fact is 5 years would be a BIG increase in the average punishment over the standard for this crime.  You could maybe argue that it was warranted because of his behavior pattern.  He's getting TRIPLE that.  There are hardened violent offenders who won't do 14 years on brutal assaults.  This guy probably didn't even know what he was doing was a crime, and if he did I'm sure he thought it was a fine or something, not a fifth of his lifespan in the slammer.

This is not in proportion to his crimes even with a list of (relatively minor) priors.  The fact that you would argue otherwise indicates there's something farking wrong with you.
 
2014-04-02 12:07:54 PM  

skippysteak: I can only imagine Subby's thought process:
"Well, I've never much cared for children... and honestly, the thought of getting crushed by a multi-ton machine hurtling out of the sky covered in spinning blades kind of turns me on. Plus, the additional death toll is kind of sexy! I think prison is very harsh for people who make my fantasies come true."


he likes to watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vorisrBfdTs&feature=kp
 
2014-04-02 12:13:33 PM  

Super_pope: MycroftHolmes: By the way, statistically speaking, driving drunk is almost certainly not going to cause an accident.  If you look at the frequency that people do it (usually without getting caught) and the number of accidents, you would not find it to be statistically significant.  So, should DUI not be considered a crime?

Nice.  I said, "Actions that are essentially proven to not harm anyone but could conceivably do so should not be punished the same as second degree murder" and you jumped to, "Shouldn't be a crime."  Yep.  Doing potentially dangerous things shouldn't be a crime, that's exactly what I said.  You farking clown.  I even said 18 months sounds about right in my original comment, but your kneejerk reaction is to pounce in and go, "Hah you're ridiculous!  I bet you think shooting people is okay too!"

The fact is 5 years would be a BIG increase in the average punishment over the standard for this crime.  You could maybe argue that it was warranted because of his behavior pattern.  He's getting TRIPLE that.  There are hardened violent offenders who won't do 14 years on brutal assaults.  This guy probably didn't even know what he was doing was a crime, and if he did I'm sure he thought it was a fine or something, not a fifth of his lifespan in the slammer.

This is not in proportion to his crimes even with a list of (relatively minor) priors.  The fact that you would argue otherwise indicates there's something farking wrong with you.


You generalized the crime and said that the crime in question should not be treated more severely than second degree murder.  This is a general statement, not taking into account his priors.   YOu were not speaking to this case, but the general action.  This disregards the two points I brought up

1, In this case, the sentence was the result of his escalating behavior and complete lack of remorse or accountability
2. 14 years is not the same as second degree murder.  Looking briefly at the wikipage, minimum senetences range from 10 to 20 years, and maximum senteneces range up to life imprisonment.

You are correct that you did not out and out say that the action should be decriminalized, but you were very vague (in this post, I did not go back and research all your other posts) about what would be appropriate.

I agree with you that, absent any other context, an action that recklessly endangers multiple individuals should not be punished the same as second degree murder.  Funny thing is, there are literally zero people saying that it should.  So you get to win that argument.  Congratulations.
 
2014-04-02 02:29:10 PM  

MycroftHolmes: ou generalized the crime and said that the crime in question should not be treated more severely than second degree murder.


Yes I did.

1.) This is a crime with no clear intent to do harm
2.) Not only was there no plain intent to cause harm, nobody WAS hurt.

MycroftHolmes: This is a general statement, not taking into account his priors.


His priors are basically petty crimes.  He has a pattern as a thoughtless scofflaw, not a serious crook.  I am not taking into account his priors because being basically irresponsible is not an aggravator that makes this response appropriate.  If they were doubling the average in response to his pattern, that might be something.  18 months to 14 years is more than 9 times the average sentence for this crime.  That's outrageous regardless of any prior crimes he might have committed.  If he'd ACTUALLY been jailed for 2nd degree murder, done his time, wasn't on parole, and done this, I'd STILL say it was bizarre/insane to sentence him to 1/5th the average lifespan of an American male for aiming a laser pointer at someone.

MycroftHolmes: YOu were not speaking to this case, but the general action.


This is because ON ITS FACE this sentence is outrageous for this crime.  If he'd crashed the chopper obviously that would be a different story, but that isn't what happened.  He made a nuisance of himself in a way that was vaguely dangerous to others.  He should be punished.  He shouldn't be burned at the stake.

MycroftHolmes: 1, In this case, the sentence was the result of his escalating behavior and complete lack of remorse or accountability


You're claiming that aiming a laser pointer and someone is an escalation from BURGLARY?

MycroftHolmes: 14 years is not the same as second degree murder.  Looking briefly at the wikipage, minimum senetences range from 10 to 20 years, and maximum senteneces range up to life imprisonment.


I don't even know what you think your point is here.  He's right in the average range for the minimum sentence for 2nd degree murder.  Its obviously a very different crime but I don't think its outlandish to say that a sentence that puts you on the same timeline for Murder 2.  They are not, "the same" but the sentence here is totally in line with what someone who committed murder 2 might get (obviously without considering parole since I have no idea what his situation will be like).

MycroftHolmes: You are correct that you did not out and out say that the action should be decriminalized, but you were very vague (in this post, I did not go back and research all your other posts) about what would be appropriate.


Something that is not absolutely ridiculous.

MycroftHolmes: I agree with you that, absent any other context, an action that recklessly endangers multiple individuals should not be punished the same as second degree murder.  Funny thing is, there are literally zero people saying that it should.  So you get to win that argument.  Congratulations.


Your tone and the argument you're making indicates you believe this is appropriate.  It is not.  If he had a bunch more drunk driving arrests, killed someone driving drunk, got out, got off probation, and THEN did this, you MIGHT have a point IF this activity had ever actually harmed anyone before.  This is the kind of sentence you give to someone who has ruined a life, not made themselves inconvenient in a way that maybe could have gotten worse.

I'm sure there are jaywalkers who have a few DUIs.  Potentially that could get them and other people killed.  They have a pattern of irresponsible behavior and they're out possibly provoking car accidents, would it be right that they go to jail for a decade?  Maybe if they jaywalked in front of an ambulance rushing to the children's hospital?
 
2014-04-02 10:52:18 PM  
So, to pop back in here, all of you saying this was overzealous and harsh have no idea what a high powered laser pointer can do to the human eye at night, or to Gen 3 NVGs in use by the pilots, do you?
 
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