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2014-03-31 11:29:14 PM  
So glad I'm not Russian. Sheesh.
 
2014-03-31 11:50:52 PM  
Interesting read...thanks subby.
 
2014-03-31 11:53:02 PM  

Marmilman: Interesting read...thanks subby.


Yeah, Vanity Fair always is worth a read. I miss having a subscription. Thanks from me to Subs.
 
2014-03-31 11:53:48 PM  
Or too even.
 
2014-04-01 01:07:20 PM  
So he's not Pootie Tang on the Ritz?
 
2014-04-01 01:08:14 PM  
"Russians prefer alternative reality."

First sentence. I do believe that R word could be replaced with another certain R word and still sound perfectly accurate.
 
2014-04-01 01:09:38 PM  
Ah, some good old fashioned fear mongering by journalists judging the morality of everyone in the world by western cultural standards
 
2014-04-01 01:09:42 PM  
Jesus Christ. That article would make me want to go enjoy a tall, warm glass of Vodak if I was a Russian.

That country really is far more dystopian than people realize.
 
2014-04-01 01:10:25 PM  
I knew it was bad in Russia, but had no idea it was  thatbad.
 
2014-04-01 01:11:14 PM  

NeverDrunk23: So he's not Pootie Tang on the Ritz?


Huh. So there's another filter.
 
2014-04-01 01:11:20 PM  
So worst country imaginable. That's all you had to say.
 
2014-04-01 01:13:47 PM  

Triple Oak: "Russians prefer alternative reality."

First sentence. I do believe that R word could be replaced with another certain R word and still sound perfectly accurate.


It's why the GOP admires Pootie Tang so much.
 
2014-04-01 01:14:57 PM  
We knew that. That's why he goes around shirtless all the time.
 
2014-04-01 01:17:24 PM  

ginandbacon: Yeah, Vanity Fair always is worth a read. I miss having a subscription. Thanks from me to Subs.


It's pretty damn cheap these days, and they throw in all sorts of free web features for subscribers. (It's the only magazine I subscribe to; I find the best stuff is at the back, behind the celeb crap).

None of that is surprising.  I was thinking about it recently, and I suspect we're about to see a period of isolationism from Russia, where they turn away from the outside world (in reality: the outside world turns away from them with sanctions and travel restrictions) as trying to create a closed system is the only way Pootie Tang can continue to maintain power.

/Russia has gone through "open" and "closed" periods for the last couple centuries.
 
2014-04-01 01:18:11 PM  
ianarussian but it always seemed to me that their decades long with 'communism' eradicated any real sense of modern culture or identity from the country. or worse, any capability to have the same
 
2014-04-01 01:19:23 PM  
I can't wait to see how the Pootie Tang defenders from RT field this.  I start to understand the love the right has for him and his friends:  "breathe less" in order to live longer".
 
2014-04-01 01:19:39 PM  

hardinparamedic: Jesus Christ. That article would make me want to go enjoy a tall, warm glass of Vodak if I was a Russian.

That country really is far more dystopian than people realize.


mcgotes
 
2014-04-01 01:22:12 PM  

Triple Oak: "Russians prefer alternative reality."

First sentence. I do believe that R word could be replaced with another certain R word and still sound perfectly accurate.


never change, politics tab.
 
2014-04-01 01:22:17 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Ah, some good old fashioned fear mongering by journalists judging the morality of everyone in the world by western cultural standards


I don't know, giving a ten year old syphilis to is pretty universally condemned.
 
2014-04-01 01:22:35 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: So worst country imaginable. That's all you had to say.


Best Russia, actually.
 
2014-04-01 01:22:45 PM  
I don't get the appeal of political power.   Why not step down and be some oligarch somewhere?  What's the appeal of dictatorship in particular?
 
2014-04-01 01:22:51 PM  
 Two thirds of all births in Russia take place among women between the ages of 20 and 29, and this population will decline from 13 million currently to 7 or 8 million in the coming years.

So Russia needs moms.
 
2014-04-01 01:23:53 PM  

Cheron: So Russia needs moms.


Russia needs women. Angry red women. Can't you hear them calling?
 
2014-04-01 01:24:09 PM  
No wonder they are cracking down on lgbt folks. They need as many folks breeding as possible.
 
2014-04-01 01:24:10 PM  
When I 1st read the article, I thought of that line in Start Trek 6:

"Let them Die."

I feel somewhat ashamed for thinking that.  It seems a lot cheaper to just keep them in check and push back economically and let Russia fall again.  Then I remembered the next line in that movie:

"Many prefer a military solution and die fighting."

I am surprised that Pootie Tang has not passed a death penalty on drug dealers and rounded up STD carriers.  If being gay is a crime, why are real problems to their society not being punished?

This is a problem the US and the World will be dealing with for the next 10 to 20 years.  The only question is how it will end.
 
2014-04-01 01:26:00 PM  

sprawl15: ianarussian but it always seemed to me that their decades long with 'communism' eradicated any real sense of modern culture or identity from the country. or worse, any capability to have the same


Communism figuratively became their identity from World War II on - because it was what enabled them to survive the Nazi onslaught, and to become such a major military power in Europe. FARK had a great article on here a few weeks ago, after this mess all started, about the militaristic nature of Russia's political class since the middle ages. The Russian people enjoy being King Shiat of Clusterfark mountain, because when they aren't, they're getting raped and abused by other countries as history has shown them.

There are a lot of hard-liners in Russia who believe their prosperity and prestige died with the fall of the Soviet.
 
2014-04-01 01:26:04 PM  

USCLaw2010: No wonder they are cracking down on lgbt folks. They need as many folks breeding as possible.


I'm not sure that beating up gay people makes baWIEs.
 
2014-04-01 01:27:04 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: USCLaw2010: No wonder they are cracking down on lgbt folks. They need as many folks breeding as possible.

I'm not sure that beating up gay people makes baWIEs.


babbys?
 
2014-04-01 01:28:13 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Ah, some good old fashioned fear mongering by journalists judging the morality of everyone in the world by western cultural standards


What article did you read? Morality wasn't mentioned in TFA. It doesn't make a moral judgement about the rampant alcoholism, the STD epidemic, etc. it just points to those things as health and demographic problems.
 
2014-04-01 01:28:14 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: USCLaw2010: No wonder they are cracking down on lgbt folks. They need as many folks breeding as possible.

I'm not sure that beating up gay people makes baWIEs.


I didn't say it made sense. But on the other hand they also have a national holiday dedicated to breeding

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/skip-work-have-sex-rus s ians-celebrate-day-of-conception-as-sporting-community-continues-to-cr iticise-Pootie Tangs-antigay-legislation-8812840.html
 
2014-04-01 01:28:17 PM  

Frank N Stein: Triple Oak: "Russians prefer alternative reality."

First sentence. I do believe that R word could be replaced with another certain R word and still sound perfectly accurate.

never change, politics tab.


Am I wrong?
 
2014-04-01 01:28:53 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: USCLaw2010: No wonder they are cracking down on lgbt folks. They need as many folks breeding as possible.

I'm not sure that beating up gay people makes baWIEs.


Awesome. I hope someone saves these fONElterpwns.
 
2014-04-01 01:29:36 PM  

sprawl15: ianarussian but it always seemed to me that their decades long with 'communism' eradicated any real sense of modern culture or identity from the country. or worse, any capability to have the same


That's a mistake a lot of people make: you can't think of Russia (of the Soviet Union) as having ever been a "Modern" nation.  They exist a couple hundred years behind Europe and have been for centuries, and there seems to be something about the people that either demands or accepts totalitarian government; the Soviet system was just a slightly different form than what they had under the czars or what they have today under Pootie Tang.
 
2014-04-01 01:32:20 PM  

Thrag: Lost Thought 00: Ah, some good old fashioned fear mongering by journalists judging the morality of everyone in the world by western cultural standards

What article did you read? Morality wasn't mentioned in TFA. It doesn't make a moral judgement about the rampant alcoholism, the STD epidemic, etc. it just points to those things as health and demographic problems.


He didn't read the article; he's just blindly defending Pootie Tang, as a number of the trolls here do.

/really makes me think they're on someone's payroll
 
2014-04-01 01:33:09 PM  
Add to all the problems mentioned in the article the fact that the Russian economy is completely propped up by oil and gas exports. Their economy is not well diversified. When the gas runs out or the markets for it dry up their economy will collapse.

Pootie Tang's move in Crimea is suicidal. All of Europe is now highly motivated to eliminate their dependency on Russian gas and oil. Pissing off your customers is never a good idea. Pootie Tang's Russia is the Amy's Baking Company of fading empires.
 
2014-04-01 01:33:13 PM  
Pootie Tang has lost his mind and needs to go. The Russian people deserve better
 
2014-04-01 01:33:48 PM  

Triple Oak: Frank N Stein: Triple Oak: "Russians prefer alternative reality."

First sentence. I do believe that R word could be replaced with another certain R word and still sound perfectly accurate.

never change, politics tab.

Am I wrong?


Not in your reality. Certainly not.
 
2014-04-01 01:34:16 PM  

hardinparamedic: There are a lot of hard-liners in Russia who believe their prosperity and prestige died with the fall of the Soviet.


it's always been a weirdly unstable situation; after generations of the west being the great satan, turning around and adopting their ideals simply wasn't going to happen. and at the same time, the system that existed before relied on corruption and/or petty thugs leveraging power which fits right into the nominally free markets the country embraced
 
2014-04-01 01:34:46 PM  

Cyclometh: I knew it was bad in Russia, but had no idea it was  thatbad.


Yeah. It is that bad.

Well, of course, it's not as bad as the author wants you to see. He is very careful in providing comparative numbers, not absolute. "Gone up 40 times" sounds huge, but if it's a rise from 0.014% to 0.56%... It's 40 times, but it doesn't sound that bad, eh? (Mind you, I've pulled the numbers from my backside, and the reality of the situation is dire, but not as dire as the author wants to show).

As for population decline - people you just don't understand how hard the dissolution of the USSR hit the region. Every single post-Soviet county is losing population and working population with catastrophic speed. Russia actually does better than most of them! Ukraine have lost 20% of population in 20 years - from 50+ millions right after the USSR to 40 millions now. And it's still falling!

Pootie Tang have called USSR dissolution "humanitarian catastrophe", and you laughed at him and called names... But the reality is that it is a humanitarian catastrophe.

"77 percent of kids between the ages of 15 and 17 drink vodka regularly; in rural areas, the percentage can be as high as 90." - that's an absolute and utter truth. Hell, I myself was drinking vodka between 15 and 17; it's after 18 when I've decided that I don't really want it. Even children of intelligentsia, more cultured, better educated and generally drinking less than children of working class drunk heavily, when I was travelling in that subculture.

It's exactly that catastrophe of the will to live of Russia that Pootie Tang is trying to fight. He doesn't care much about "land gains" and especially economic or strategic advantages; he is trying to lift nation's spirit any way he can. Is it dangerous? You bet. Is he wrong to do so? In my opinion yes. But he is trying the best he can.

Yes, all that described in the article is true. And yet, it is also true that right now, under Pootie Tang, Russian people live better than they lived in any other time throughout whole history of Russia. Right now, under Pootie Tang, Russian are in paradise, compared to how they lived before. Yeah, it's a terrifying shiathole compared to Europe, but it's way, way better than it was under USSR, under Gorbachev, under Yeltsin.
 
2014-04-01 01:35:36 PM  

NeverDrunk23: Huh. So there's another filter.


I really hope that's an Love a Marsupial Day thing, cuz it's gonna get old real quick.
 
2014-04-01 01:37:17 PM  

Grahor: Yeah. It is that bad.

Well, of course, it's not as bad as the author wants you to see


And that's why you're Farkied as "Pro-Pootie Tang bot".
 
2014-04-01 01:37:37 PM  

Triple Oak: Frank N Stein: Triple Oak: "Russians prefer alternative reality."

First sentence. I do believe that R word could be replaced with another certain R word and still sound perfectly accurate.

never change, politics tab.

Am I wrong?


no you're not. Republicans are the biggest threat to this country. They consistently fearmonger for their own gain, and they don't tolerate people that are different than them. Which is why they should all be shot. They also use "liberals" as a false flag, and the only way to combat their propaganda is to consistently connect  the worlds ills to them, which is justifiable because republicans really are to blame for much of the worlds problems. But they remain in ignorance and have only simplistic views to complex problems.
 
2014-04-01 01:39:25 PM  

Thrag: Add to all the problems mentioned in the article the fact that the Russian economy is completely propped up by oil and gas exports. Their economy is not well diversified. When the gas runs out or the markets for it dry up their economy will collapse.

Pootie Tang's move in Crimea is suicidal. All of Europe is now highly motivated to eliminate their dependency on Russian gas and oil. Pissing off your customers is never a good idea. Pootie Tang's Russia is the Amy's Baking Company of fading empires.


Oil and Gas prop up all the Central Banking economies because of the Bretton Woods agreement.
 
2014-04-01 01:39:32 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Grahor: Yeah. It is that bad.

Well, of course, it's not as bad as the author wants you to see

And that's why you're Farkied as "Pro-Pootie Tang bot".


Pretty sure he's a PR shill.  Or a single-minded troll.
 
2014-04-01 01:39:38 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: That's a mistake a lot of people make: you can't think of Russia (of the Soviet Union) as having ever been a "Modern" nation. They exist a couple hundred years behind Europe and have been for centuries, and there seems to be something about the people that either demands or accepts totalitarian government; the Soviet system was just a slightly different form than what they had under the czars or what they have today under Pootie Tang.


they were absolutely a "modern" nation at around the time the commies started getting up to shenanigans, at least by the limited standards of the time. they held their own against the germans, including some pretty solid bits of war technology. they held their own in the arms race during the cold war as well, and managed to make it to space before their magic accounting fell down around them

i'd say the distinction is and always has been that since the commies took over, everything technological or intellectual that has been produced has been at the direction of the state and for the glory of the state. they aren't just used to totalitarianism, they're used to the panoptic where one can only aspire to be the faceless jailor instead of the faceless jailed
 
2014-04-01 01:39:52 PM  
www.egotripland.com

"I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country."
 
2014-04-01 01:40:11 PM  
FTFA: "A robust 63 percent of them say they consider Russia a "great power,""

Just when I found myself slipping back into a Cold War world view, I found some prospective. Russia is about as Economically and Militarily powerful as Italy.

I had always, even 20 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, seen them as a military peer to the US. The reality is they are still running on fumes from the good old days. For example, since 1992 Russia has not launched a major surface combat ship. In the mean time the US has launched more the 60 Destroyers and 4 Aircraft Carriers. Their Air Force is in similar shape. The only thing they have invested in is their strategic nuclear weapons systems, which is the only reason they're going to get a seat at the table.

My point isn't simply to wave around the US' over spending on military like a giant weener. It is to point out that at the same time that Russia has chosen to define its relationship with its neighbors and other global powers its military is getting weaker year-by-year in real terms.
 
2014-04-01 01:41:22 PM  

DarnoKonrad: I don't get the appeal of political power.   Why not step down and be some oligarch somewhere?  What's the appeal of dictatorship in particular?


Reminds me of Lex Luthor in Justice League:

'President?! Do you know how much power I would have to give up to be President?'
 
2014-04-01 01:41:58 PM  

Thrag: Add to all the problems mentioned in the article the fact that the Russian economy is completely propped up by oil and gas exports. Their economy is not well diversified. When the gas runs out or the markets for it dry up their economy will collapse.

Pootie Tang's move in Crimea is suicidal. All of Europe is now highly motivated to eliminate their dependency on Russian gas and oil. Pissing off your customers is never a good idea. Pootie Tang's Russia is the Amy's Baking Company of fading empires.


The US is working to eliminate the restrictions on selling our new found oil and gas internationally and if that happens Russia will be in a lot more hurt than the individual sanctions smacked down on a few party insiders.
 
2014-04-01 01:42:07 PM  
This was a far better article than I expected to find on April 1st.  Thanks, subby.  This really gave me some info to think about.

/Pootie Tang, Pootie Tang, Pootie Tang, Pootie Tang
 
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