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2014-03-31 06:45:00 PM  
Actually, child tax credits should be abolished completely.  Having children is a lifestyle choice, like buying a sedan instead of a truck, you shouldn't be compensated for it.
 
2014-03-31 06:50:31 PM  
Someone get the lights.
 
2014-03-31 06:55:08 PM  
People with kids should pay higher taxes, even or rather especially if they're unmarried without custody.

Like A LOT higher in some cases. Most of the concerns about "think of the children" could easily be abolished by a punitive tax on parents of all classes that goes to universal social programs and takes the place of absentee or rich parents.

Kids need food, kids need education, EVERYONE needs medicine, and farking over the singles is not the way to help anyone. You have kids? You pay the kid tax. Not for your kids, but for all kids everywhere.

Also no children in public after 6 PM in the red light district and general proximity. Especially not in bars. What the hell's wrong with you, parents? Go to the hell home. Or, if you must drink, at least one of you can take the kids home while the other hits up a bottle shop and order some take out.
 
2014-03-31 06:56:22 PM  
Pay for your own goddamned crotchfruit
 
2014-03-31 07:03:37 PM  

doglover: People with kids should pay higher taxes, even or rather especially if they're unmarried without custody.

Like A LOT higher in some cases. Most of the concerns about "think of the children" could easily be abolished by a punitive tax on parents of all classes that goes to universal social programs and takes the place of absentee or rich parents.

Kids need food, kids need education, EVERYONE needs medicine, and farking over the singles is not the way to help anyone. You have kids? You pay the kid tax. Not for your kids, but for all kids everywhere.



Did you not have a Mother?
 
2014-03-31 07:04:32 PM  

LordZorch: Actually, child tax credits should be abolished completely.  Having children is a lifestyle choice, like buying a sedan instead of a truck, you shouldn't be compensated for it.


MaudlinMutantMollusk: Pay for your own goddamned crotchfruit


Do you not have a Mother?
 
2014-03-31 07:05:14 PM  
An early April fool's joke from Slate?
 
2014-03-31 07:07:16 PM  

optikeye: Do you not have a Mother?


Not anymore

/but what difference does that make?
 
2014-03-31 07:08:31 PM  
I think the system is fine (relatively speaking) as it is.  No need to increase my taxes or the child credits.  I can see the writers point but I shouldn't have to pay more because someone chose to have a kid they could barely afford.
 
2014-03-31 07:08:45 PM  

LordZorch: Actually, child tax credits should be abolished completely.  Having children is a lifestyle choice, like buying a sedan instead of a truck, you shouldn't be compensated for it.


Not if the religious right get their way -- it's "God's plan" even if you're raped or your life is at risk. It isn't a choice, it's a life. Blah blah blah.

How about we fix real problems with the tax code and charge everyone their fair share, even the so-called "1%ers".
 
2014-03-31 07:09:10 PM  
Let's take the kids out of the argument.

As a childless teacher, let me tell you some things that I've learned about your kids. They're smarter than you. They feel when their parents are in loveless marriages. This needs to be said again -- They're smarter than you by an order of magnitude.

They are connected to their peers through their smartphones. As a teacher, I've given up this war against communication devices. I see kids on Facebook and Twitter all day. What I'm supposed to do is confiscate the phone. Fark that. I'm OK with it now. When they're talking to each other, they're exchanging ideas. It pisses me off to hear people complain about young people in our society.
 
2014-03-31 07:15:02 PM  
People without children already pay higher (income) taxes.
 
2014-03-31 07:17:48 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Not anymore

/but what difference does that make?


Because in your infancy you Mother probably benifited (if you are of a certain age and economic class) from tax breaks and programs like pre-natal care etc. And therefore you benifited; with those tax breaks going to day care etc...when you where a child.

Unless you're one of those "I got mine fark you" types then there's just no reasoning with you. At one time you did have a Mother--who would have benifited from these programs.
 
2014-03-31 07:22:05 PM  

optikeye: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Not anymore

/but what difference does that make?

Because in your infancy you Mother probably benifited (if you are of a certain age and economic class) from tax breaks and programs like pre-natal care etc. And therefore you benifited; with those tax breaks going to day care etc...when you where a child.

Unless you're one of those "I got mine fark you" types then there's just no reasoning with you. At one time you did have a Mother--who would have benifited from these programs.


I think those programs came long after my childhood

/along with things like cars, airplanes, etc.
 
2014-03-31 07:33:24 PM  

BunkyBrewman: An early April fool's joke from Slate?


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2014-03-31 07:44:37 PM  

optikeye: Did you not have a Mother?


I did not. I didn't have no Father neither. I'm not some tweedy little Lord Fontleroy nobby nob from a family of rich blokes up on bleedin' nob hill.

I had a Mum and a Da.
 
2014-03-31 07:44:59 PM  
When I was in high school, my AP history teacher had this extra credit program she called TAP points. I don't remember what TAP stood for. It was some sort of acronym. Anyway, the way it worked was that at the beginning of each quarter, everybody got 100 TAP points, which was the equivalent of a quiz score. They were yours to lose, and you lost them for pretty much anything. Late to class? That cost 5 TAP points. No homework? 10 TAP points. Being annoying or asking a dumb question? Lord, the sky was the limit. Not many people ever had TAP points left by the time grades came out, and nobody liked the ones who did.

But maybe this sort of system could be applied to parents as well? Like, everybody starts with an X percent tax break. Say, 50 percent. Over the course of a year, you lose it, point by point, for infractions. Like, say your child is annoying on an airplane. Boom, that's an infraction. Acting out in a nice restaurant? Infraction. Bad grades? Truant? Yard-crossing? Infraction, infraction, infraction. At the end of the year, the actual tax break that's applied is what's left of their starting percentage. For particularly incorrigible children, there might even be the possibility of a negative tax break...i.e., they have to pay more for society putting up with their child.

There's a real potential for win-win here. Parents get the opportunity to receive much-needed financial assistance. Society as a whole gets to provide feedback on their performance. There are, of course, various issues that would present problems in implementing this system (effective monitoring and reporting comes immediately to mind), but I am confident that, in our current age of remarkable tech innovation, none of these would be insurmountable.
 
2014-03-31 07:46:10 PM  

LordZorch: Actually, child tax credits should be abolished completely.  Having children is a lifestyle choice, like buying a sedan instead of a truck, you shouldn't be compensated for it.


So if you get mugged on the street at gunpoint and the perpetrator gets a look at your wallet and says, well gee, you have five twenties, I'll just take two of them. Bam! You just got compensated sixty bucks.

/like you would have five twenties in your wallet LOL
 
2014-03-31 07:46:50 PM  

Gig103: LordZorch: Actually, child tax credits should be abolished completely.  Having children is a lifestyle choice, like buying a sedan instead of a truck, you shouldn't be compensated for it.

Not if the religious right get their way -- it's "God's plan" even if you're raped or your life is at risk. It isn't a choice, it's a life. Blah blah blah.

How about we fix real problems with the tax code and charge everyone their fair share, even the so-called "1%ers".


I agree - a flat 2% tax coupled with massive spending cuts would be a good place to start.
 
2014-03-31 07:47:44 PM  

OregonVet: LordZorch: Actually, child tax credits should be abolished completely.  Having children is a lifestyle choice, like buying a sedan instead of a truck, you shouldn't be compensated for it.

So if you get mugged on the street at gunpoint and the perpetrator gets a look at your wallet and says, well gee, you have five twenties, I'll just take two of them. Bam! You just got compensated sixty bucks.

/like you would have five twenties in your wallet LOL


Don't carry cash.  Cash is for people with low credit scores...
 
2014-03-31 07:53:01 PM  
*cheers*
 
2014-03-31 08:01:45 PM  
I do pay higher taxes - I pay taxes on roads I don't drive on, schools my non-children do not use and a wealth of other services I am happy to continue to have my tax dollars spent on because it is for the betterment of us all. Beyond that, I am not responsible for you or your farking kids.
 
2014-03-31 08:02:22 PM  
oi57.tinypic.com

Or, at least some reasonable facsimile thereof.

I'm decisively childfree (vasectomy and everything), and even I'm burned out on these clickbaits.

/probably time to up the anti-depressant dosage
 
2014-03-31 08:02:35 PM  
This has got to be an April Trolls joke.  Hey Mr and Mrs Barren, god won't bless you with children so here's a special tax for you to put icing on that fail cake.
 
2014-03-31 08:16:22 PM  

optikeye: LordZorch: Actually, child tax credits should be abolished completely.  Having children is a lifestyle choice, like buying a sedan instead of a truck, you shouldn't be compensated for it.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Pay for your own goddamned crotchfruit

Do you not have a Mother?


mcphedranbadside.com
 
2014-03-31 08:19:23 PM  
Also, people without jobs should pay higher taxes. Think about it, it would encourage them to get up off their lazy asses and work, and they'll get the satisfaction of contributing to society since they're not doing anything but laying around watching TV and eating bonbons.
 
2014-03-31 08:25:51 PM  
Good one trollmitter. I feel that lousy parents should also pay the bar tabs for neighboring tables when they take the little bastards out to a decent place, but that's a story for another day.
 
2014-03-31 08:28:52 PM  

Pocket Ninja: When I was in high school, my AP history teacher had this extra credit program she called TAP points. I don't remember what TAP stood for. It was some sort of acronym. Anyway, the way it worked was that at the beginning of each quarter, everybody got 100 TAP points, which was the equivalent of a quiz score. They were yours to lose, and you lost them for pretty much anything. Late to class? That cost 5 TAP points. No homework? 10 TAP points. Being annoying or asking a dumb question? Lord, the sky was the limit. Not many people ever had TAP points left by the time grades came out, and nobody liked the ones who did.

But maybe this sort of system could be applied to parents as well? Like, everybody starts with an X percent tax break. Say, 50 percent. Over the course of a year, you lose it, point by point, for infractions. Like, say your child is annoying on an airplane. Boom, that's an infraction. Acting out in a nice restaurant? Infraction. Bad grades? Truant? Yard-crossing? Infraction, infraction, infraction. At the end of the year, the actual tax break that's applied is what's left of their starting percentage. For particularly incorrigible children, there might even be the possibility of a negative tax break...i.e., they have to pay more for society putting up with their child.

There's a real potential for win-win here. Parents get the opportunity to receive much-needed financial assistance. Society as a whole gets to provide feedback on their performance. There are, of course, various issues that would present problems in implementing this system (effective monitoring and reporting comes immediately to mind), but I am confident that, in our current age of remarkable tech innovation, none of these would be insurmountable.


I came here to join the "fark that shiat, parents should pay more" chorus, but you have an outstanding idea.  Sure, it's satire in true Pocket Ninja fashion, but it reflects the essence of the discussion while presenting a fair (although entirely unworkable) point.  If there should be any penalty or incentive, it should be for positively contributing to society.  The childless are baseline--no shiatty kids, but no next-gen Einsteins either.

I think I might add this to the list of initiatives I'll enact when I'm Emperor; it'll follow summary executions for spammers and public flogging for people who leave their car alarms blaring all night.
 
2014-03-31 08:35:59 PM  

LordZorch: Actually, child tax credits should be abolished completely.  Having children is a lifestyle choice, like buying a sedan instead of a truck, you shouldn't be compensated for it.


I suppose that is one way to look at it, but it's also necessary for society to advance, to replenish people in the workforce to keep civilization together, pay taxes to continue providing those benefits, and to change your diapers when you are in a nursing home in your nineties. So, it's a lifestyle choice that does all the heavy lifting to maintain society.
 
2014-03-31 08:43:39 PM  
The tax should be called the Darwin Tax.
 
2014-03-31 08:56:21 PM  

Ambivalence: People without children already pay higher (income) taxes.


Not to mention... we also pay for your children to go to school should they so desire. What about various other publicly funded support? Do they think money for that comes flying out of a unicorns arse?

Oh, I guess I did mention it.

And actually, I don't mind. It's all part of wanting our society to be better; but the suggestion that we should pay even more taxes is ludicrous.
 
2014-03-31 09:09:54 PM  
Fark breeders. And, fark their precious little snowflakes.  Let's repeal child labor laws.
 
2014-03-31 09:15:24 PM  
Don't parents already pay lower taxes?  I'm pretty sure there are additional deductions depending on the number of dependents you have, but being childless myself I can't guarantee it.

Plus, my property taxes still go towards the school system that my nonexistent children don't use.  I'm happy to pay them, as I recognize the benefit of an educated society, but at the end of the day I'm paying taxes so your kids can go to school.
 
2014-03-31 09:15:30 PM  
I already overpay for health care so parents can get the family volume discount
 
2014-03-31 09:28:38 PM  

djkutch: Let's repeal child labor laws.


Hell, let's repeal child building-material laws.
 
2014-03-31 09:31:44 PM  

Gig103: LordZorch: Actually, child tax credits should be abolished completely.  Having children is a lifestyle choice, like buying a sedan instead of a truck, you shouldn't be compensated for it.

Not if the religious right get their way -- it's "God's plan" even if you're raped or your life is at risk. It isn't a choice, it's a life. Blah blah blah.


If it was by rape or it was endangering my life, I'd see it as proof that God hated me, and as such, fark Him and the horse He rode in on.

OTOH I don't have the indoctrination that some people have.
 
2014-03-31 09:33:46 PM  
Go fark yourself.  I get to live pretty well because I've managed to stay single and childless well into my thirties.  You don't get my money because you chose poorly.
 
2014-03-31 09:34:51 PM  
So I'm to be punished for slapping a bag on it when it was important? Or other such things as might prevent unwanted pregnancy?

Or for that matter, your typical forever alone is not only going to be an unfarkable basement dweller that thanks heebus for youporn on a daily basis, but also be taxed for never having been laid? Talk about kick a guy when he is down.

Let's not forget the non straights. Might as well call the no-kids tax the "haha you're gay" tax too. Oh and the infertile. Nice way to shove it in their face. "sorry that your uterus is a barren wasteland where no life can find purchase, but here, you owe us for not spewing out 4 crotchfruit before you hit 30 like all of your fertile friends.

So, subby and article author, you both suck.
 
2014-03-31 09:35:33 PM  
I have a parrot.  I find him quite taxing.
 
2014-03-31 09:36:35 PM  
They do.
 
2014-03-31 09:37:50 PM  
There's a much simpler and more fair way of doing this.

Require a license to breed.  There would be minimum income and intelligence requirements.  People without a license get free contraceptives, but illegal children are collected and either given to licensed but infertile couples or sold for drug testing.  Illegal breeders would be shot.
 
2014-03-31 09:38:28 PM  
I'd say NOT getting all the tax credits that people with kids get IS paying higher taxes.

I didn't read the article because Slate has been pissing me off lately with some of their weird articles. It's like they're letting anyone with an opinion write articles these days.
 
2014-03-31 09:38:50 PM  
This thread is gonna be fun.
 
2014-03-31 09:38:57 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Pay for your own goddamned crotchfruit


THIS THIS AND MORE THIS
FFS

I already pay for their kids education by paying for schools.
Why the fark should I pay even more?

FFS
You should get tax rebates for not having kids!!
 
2014-03-31 09:38:57 PM  
Well, in all fairness I have no children that I know about.
 
2014-03-31 09:40:34 PM  
Why should I have to pay more taxes because this slut couldn't keep her legs together.
 
2014-03-31 09:40:37 PM  

LordZorch: Actually, child tax credits should be abolished completely.  Having children is a lifestyle choice, like buying a sedan instead of a truck, you shouldn't be compensated for it.


ALL credits should be withdrawn.
 
2014-03-31 09:41:16 PM  
I don't have children but I did have a Chia pet once, so I completely understand and know what parenthood is all about.
 
2014-03-31 09:41:42 PM  
You should get a child tax credit for your first two kids: replacement value. Beyond that, you're on your own.
 
2014-03-31 09:41:49 PM  
"I have come to the reluctant conclusion that I ought to pay much higher taxes"

There is nothing Stopping you. When you fill out your tax return, there is a line at the end that states "How much you overpaid" the very next line reads "How much of that you want refunded to you" (or something similar) You are perfectly free to let the US Government keep all of your refund. In the event that you don't get a refund and have to pay, you can send in as much extra as you like.

So all you people out there thinking you don't pay your fair share, feel free to give them as much as you see fit.
 
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