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2014-03-31 09:59:23 PM

The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.

And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?

I don't know all the gun owners in California. None that I do know have any problems - including a good friend of mine who is a gun dealer. But then, I choose who I hang around with - I tend to avoid criminals, lunatics, and adults who are still immature.

And your gun friend dealer would've want to see some of the current laws rolled back?

Not that he's mentioned to me. He really deals in a small way - specialty receivers and sight mounts and stuff  like that.
I've known the guy a long time - he's a low key, adaptive sort. Doesn't really have any self created problems in life.
So many people these days seem obsessed with self-defeating behaviors. It's good to be old.

Why is it so bad if somebody.....with a clean criminal background....wants to own a semi-auto rifle with 30 round mags?


OK - obviously, you are having an argument with an invisible person who lives in your head. There is no point whatsoever in my being here.
 
2014-03-31 10:00:24 PM

jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.

And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?

I don't know all the gun owners in California. None that I do know have any problems - including a good friend of mine who is a gun dealer. But then, I choose who I hang around with - I tend to avoid criminals, lunatics, and adults who are still immature.

So adults who don't like California's gun laws are either lunatics, criminals, or immature? Come on.

Look - if you are going to put words in my mouth, there's no point in my even being here. I didn't say anything remotely like that, and your sense of persecution is starting to get on my nerves. I am not the enemy. There probably isn't one.


Oh really? You didn't stereotype people who take issue with California's gun laws? Get real.
 
2014-03-31 10:05:44 PM
Did any of the NRA execs or Tea Party organizers ever read the ending of Frankenstein?

You can't create the monster and then call time out when it gets out of control.
 
2014-03-31 10:13:29 PM

jso2897: tripleseven: syrynxx: voran: hm, re that flag and 'come and take it', I don't suppose that's legally protective? I mean, if you saw a guy holding that and went up to him and beat him down, and...well...took it (and hey, his guns) from him, why couldn't you go, "Hey, that flag provided the waiver!"

The origin of that phrase is the 300 Spartans' response to the Persian demand that they surrender their weapons - 'Molon labe' - 'Come and take them' implying a fight to the death to keep them. But good luck with your beat-down attempt in a crowd full of those people.  I suspect the forensic evidence will have to try to make your point in court for you.

I bet you feel all smarmy, sticking up for the gun owners. And isn't this what gun carriers are all about?  Specifically open carriers?  They want everyone who sees them to know, that they can kill them at any time.

Charming.

I don't get the open-carry thing - it's totally counterintuitive to me. I've always been a strict devotee of the "keep it safe, keep it hidden, keep it secret" school of carrying.
For one thing, I don't carry unless I feel it's absolutely necessary - and I have mercifully gone a few decades since I've been in such circumstances. And on those precious few occasions, the LAST thing I have wanted was for anybody else to know I was armed.
It just makes absolutely no sense to me at all.


It's more comfortable
 
2014-03-31 10:14:22 PM

The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.

And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?

I don't know all the gun owners in California. None that I do know have any problems - including a good friend of mine who is a gun dealer. But then, I choose who I hang around with - I tend to avoid criminals, lunatics, and adults who are still immature.

And your gun friend dealer would've want to see some of the current laws rolled back?

Not that he's mentioned to me. He really deals in a small way - specialty receivers and sight mounts and stuff  like that.
I've known the guy a long time - he's a low key, adaptive sort. Doesn't really have any self created problems in life.
So many people these days seem obsessed with self-defeating behaviors. It's good to be old.

Why is it so bad if somebody.....with a clean criminal background....wants to own a semi-auto rifle with 30 round mags?


Nothing wrong with wanting those things but can you admit that in the wrong hands, they could do some serious evil?
The question is, how do we afford people those wants while at the same time limiting their availability?
 
2014-03-31 10:16:05 PM

jso2897: Isitoveryet: centrifugal bumblepuppy: He must feel threatened by the up and coming National Switchblade Association, looking to legalize concealed-carry spring-loaded knives in all 50 states.

Knives, fancy toothpicks.

Funny how the NRA never wants to defend the right to keep and bear THOSE arms. Seems like the Second would protect them,too.


It does and they do. Google is your friend.
 
2014-03-31 10:22:48 PM

tripleseven: I bet you feel all smarmy, sticking up for the gun owners. And isn't this what gun carriers are all about? Specifically open carriers? They want everyone who sees them to know, that they can kill them at any time.


Smarmy?  Do you even know what that word means?  As for 'sticking up for the gun owners', I own about 30 guns and I'm a Benefactor Life Member of the NRA.  That doesn't mean I agree with every word out of LaPierre's mouth and I especially don't like morons who open carry to try to make a political point.  I don't do it.
 
2014-03-31 10:27:25 PM
I live in NYC and as a someone who has never held an actual gun, let alone fired or owned one, i think our gun laws go to far and are asinine and I think these new ones should be repealed soon.

But here are some nice stuff for all the people on fark to start a discussion off with

liberallogic101.com
liberallogic101.com

liberallogic101.com

liberallogic101.com


/to anyone who overreacts to this, while I think my city and states gun laws go too far, right now I am trolling
 
2014-03-31 10:34:08 PM

LordJiro: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.


I'm sorry to burst your stereotype, but I own firearms, and am totally sane.

I'll take your word for it?

 burst my stereotype? which one would that be? 2nd amendment nutters or normal ones who hunt and target and collect because it's fun?


Just like people should take your word that Second Amendment supporters are "insane", right?

Yes....your silly little stereotype that people are insane for supporting an important Constitutional right.

Actually, I'd say, in terms of important amendments, the 2nd is near the bottom. It was added mostly because America didn't have (and the Founders didn't want) a standing army, so well-armed, well-regulated militia was necessary for defense. Once a standing army was formed, that interpretation became obsolete, and not long after, the 'defense against tyrants' reasoning became obsolete as well, as the military's capabilities rocketed ahead of anything civilians can conceivably muster.


You're disgusting for thinking some rights are more important than others
 
2014-03-31 10:35:25 PM

Isitoveryet: jso2897: Isitoveryet: centrifugal bumblepuppy: He must feel threatened by the up and coming National Switchblade Association, looking to legalize concealed-carry spring-loaded knives in all 50 states.

Knives, fancy toothpicks.

Funny how the NRA never wants to defend the right to keep and bear THOSE arms. Seems like the Second would protect them,too.

My opinion is that the NRA exists today solely to line their pockets under the guise of constitutional proclivity & sure, promote the sales of guns in as many states as possible to as many people as possible.


The NRA is an uber boogeyman. Where did the feel touch you?
 
2014-03-31 10:35:37 PM

Isitoveryet: My opinion is that the NRA exists today solely to line their pockets


There's certainly plenty of that, and I get frequent hurr-durr-Obama's-coming-for-your-guns emails from them. Got this one just today!

Right now, Barack Obama and his allies in Congress are devising every possible scheme to pass his so-called "universal background checks" plan. But background checks are NOT the real goal behind this effort.

The Obama administration has clearly stated that once their plan is put into place, all law-abiding gun owners LIKE YOU must be forced to submit to mandatory "gun registration" to enforce the new law.

You read that right. GUN REGISTRATION. Not just for every gun you buy, but for every gun you already own!

Syrynxx, if Obama forces you to register your guns, how long do you think it will be before every firearm you own is banned and confiscated?


It's pretty infantile and I ignore it.  But the NRA offers great firearm training which anyone even considering using a firearm for personal protection should take.  It's fairly expensive - the recent CCW course cost more than several guns I own - but definitely worth it. If I knew how good it was, I'd take that course before I'd ever bought my first gun.
 
2014-03-31 10:37:12 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Pussies. Every single one of them.


Look out, we got a bad ass over here.
 
2014-03-31 10:41:14 PM

syrynxx: tripleseven: I bet you feel all smarmy, sticking up for the gun owners. And isn't this what gun carriers are all about? Specifically open carriers? They want everyone who sees them to know, that they can kill them at any time.

Smarmy?  Do you even know what that word means?  As for 'sticking up for the gun owners', I own about 30 guns and I'm a Benefactor Life Member of the NRA.  That doesn't mean I agree with every word out of LaPierre's mouth and I especially don't like morons who open carry to try to make a political point.  I don't do it.


No, but you had no problem asserting that someone would be murdered if he tried to "Come and get them".  Alluding to the "forensic evidence testifying at his trial" was the smarmy part.

FYI:
Full Definition of SMARMY
1:  revealing or marked by a smug, ingratiating, or false earnestness <a tone of smarmy self-satisfaction

The way you white knighted for those gun owners by advocating murder sure was smarmy, my friend.
 
2014-03-31 10:56:13 PM

Turbo Cojones: I have a bumper sticker on my truck that says "My ObamaCare: Molon labe"

You have never seen so much head scratchin' as when I pull into one of the redneck places that I frequent.


Crazed gun nuts who fantasize about killing liberals? I don't know where you got that idea.
 
2014-03-31 11:01:43 PM

tripleseven: The way you white knighted for those gun owners by advocating murder sure was smarmy, my friend.


Not all homocides are murder.  If a firearm owner is lawfully in possession of a firearm and someone tries to take it from him/her, not only is that attempted robbery, but s/he'd be well within reason to assume they mean to shoot the owner with it after gaining control, which constitutes the threat of grave bodily harm and justifies deadly force to protect oneself, assuming the firearm owner had not provoked the confrontation in the first place.  Shooting someone who, without provocation, tries to steal your gun is not murder.  Those words on the flag do not constitute provocation unless you're 12 years old.

You seem to have a problem with words that mean something different in your head than they do in the dictionary. Smug? No.  Ingratiating?  No, I agree with the board member in the article that the type of people that attend these echo-chamber rallies are doing more harm than good.  False? You don't understand what I was saying so any falseness has occurred between your ears.
 
2014-03-31 11:11:02 PM

The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.


Yup you can't buy any guns in California.
 
2014-03-31 11:13:46 PM

jedihirsch: I live in NYC and as a someone who has never held an actual gun, let alone fired or owned one, i think our gun laws go to far and are asinine and I think these new ones should be repealed soon.

But here are some nice stuff for all the people on fark to start a discussion off with









/to anyone who overreacts to this, while I think my city and states gun laws go too far, right now I am trolling


I see you raided your Facebook wank page.
 
2014-03-31 11:34:57 PM

Fart_Machine: Yup you can't buy any guns in California.


Defiantly a bit more difficult with Yee being brought up on charges.
 
2014-03-31 11:37:52 PM

Fart_Machine: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Yup you can't buy any guns in California.


Just the ones that are approved by hacks in Sacramento.
 
2014-03-31 11:39:39 PM

HeadLever: Fart_Machine: Yup you can't buy any guns in California.

Defiantly a bit more difficult with Yee being brought up on charges.


I chuckled.
 
2014-03-31 11:45:34 PM

Fart_Machine: jedihirsch: I live in NYC and as a someone who has never held an actual gun, let alone fired or owned one, i think our gun laws go to far and are asinine and I think these new ones should be repealed soon.

But here are some nice stuff for all the people on fark to start a discussion off with

/to anyone who overreacts to this, while I think my city and states gun laws go too far, right now I am trolling

I see you raided your Facebook wank page.


I'm one of the five people in the universe without facebook. Its a compelte waste of time. Kinda like fark, but without the fun
 
2014-04-01 12:07:42 AM

Fart_Machine: Yup you can't buy any guns in California.


There's a micro-stamping law that the avocado-eaters have put on the books for continued gun sales in CA despite it being utterly infeasible.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/03/robert-farago/nssf-saami-fi le -suit-ca-microstamping-law/

There is no existing microstamping technology that meets the requirement of this ill-considered law. It is not technologically possible to microstamp two locations in the gun and have the required information imprint onto the cartridge casing.

"It is not technologically possible" sounds a lot like a complete ban to me.  The last I've heard, handgun manufacturers are stopping CA sales because their (=NO) handguns do not comply with this ridiculous law.  CA representatives are batty as a bunch.
 
2014-04-01 12:10:39 AM

syrynxx: tripleseven: The way you white knighted for those gun owners by advocating murder sure was smarmy, my friend.

Not all homocides are murder.  If a firearm owner is lawfully in possession of a firearm and someone tries to take it from him/her, not only is that attempted robbery, but s/he'd be well within reason to assume they mean to shoot the owner with it after gaining control, which constitutes the threat of grave bodily harm and justifies deadly force to protect oneself, assuming the firearm owner had not provoked the confrontation in the first place.  Shooting someone who, without provocation, tries to steal your gun is not murder.  Those words on the flag do not constitute provocation unless you're 12 years old.

You seem to have a problem with words that mean something different in your head than they do in the dictionary. Smug? No.  Ingratiating?  No, I agree with the board member in the article that the type of people that attend these echo-chamber rallies are doing more harm than good.  False? You don't understand what I was saying so any falseness has occurred between your ears.


Well then, if you say so.
 
2014-04-01 12:24:47 AM

UrukHaiGuyz: Dr Dreidel: We do not make threats, we do not tell people to prepare for war, nor do we sell bumper stickers that proclaim 'BALLOTS or BULLETS'

If only, Thomas King. If only.

// what's the opposite of painting with a broad brush?
// not quite "No True Scotsman", but along that line

Your pointillism is well taken.


ART JOKE PLUS ONE
 
2014-04-01 12:36:14 AM

Isitoveryet: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Isitoveryet: BSABSVR: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge:

You'd have to take that up with urban dictionary, It's the only submitted definition & has almost a thousand agreeing clicks.
Today is the first I've seen the term.


It's possible that I misread the context clues, not wanting to believe a poster was enough of a nut to disparage normal, law abiding, background check-passing gun owners who don't feel that having less than 30 rounds in a clip destroys our country.  I've only run across it maybe four times, all in the last year or so.

Honestly I feel like the word fits my definition much better.
 
2014-04-01 12:43:11 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Isitoveryet: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Isitoveryet: BSABSVR: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge:

You'd have to take that up with urban dictionary, It's the only submitted definition & has almost a thousand agreeing clicks.
Today is the first I've seen the term.

It's possible that I misread the context clues, not wanting to believe a poster was enough of a nut to disparage normal, law abiding, background check-passing gun owners who don't feel that having less than 30 rounds in a clip destroys our country.  I've only run across it maybe four times, all in the last year or so.

Honestly I feel like the word fits my definition much better.


Guess what, pal? I'm a normal, law-abiding, background check-passing gun owner, too.

But you will have to excuse me when I don't appreciate gun laws that do nothing, and infringe on my rights.
 
2014-04-01 12:44:35 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Isitoveryet: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Isitoveryet: BSABSVR: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge:

You'd have to take that up with urban dictionary, It's the only submitted definition & has almost a thousand agreeing clicks.
Today is the first I've seen the term.

It's possible that I misread the context clues, not wanting to believe a poster was enough of a nut to disparage normal, law abiding, background check-passing gun owners who don't feel that having less than 30 rounds in a clip destroys our country.  I've only run across it maybe four times, all in the last year or so.

Honestly I feel like the word fits my definition much better.


Magazine, not clip.
 
2014-04-01 12:49:33 AM

jso2897: Frank N Stein: ITT: farkers discussing what they imagine gun owners to be

I don't have to. I am a gun owner. I support gun rights. I want absolutely nothing to do with the NRA any more, or with what passes for pro-gun activists these days.
Look at those rallys - those people are just plain nuts. These drooling, shrieking maniacs are far more likely to cost me my gun rights than preserve them - and I would no more enter a crowd of them than I would a baboon cage at the zoo.


A thousand times *this*. And the constant junk mail and robot calls begging for cash...it never f*cking stops.

The Cal Rifle & Pistol folks are all right, though. They actually have useful info, and they don't beg for money nearly as hard. And you don't get the high grade social conservative derp with cowboys and crying eagles.

But anyway, f*ck the NRA.
 
2014-04-01 12:55:14 AM

jso2897: Isitoveryet: centrifugal bumblepuppy: He must feel threatened by the up and coming National Switchblade Association, looking to legalize concealed-carry spring-loaded knives in all 50 states.

Knives, fancy toothpicks.

Funny how the NRA never wants to defend the right to keep and bear THOSE arms. Seems like the Second would protect them,too.


http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/5fa3c8ed#/5fa3c8ed/103

Yeah never supported those rights and definitely didn't support overturning Indiana' switchblade law.

/bear in mind it is the National rifle association
//not a member
 
2014-04-01 12:58:00 AM

Bonzo_1116: jso2897: Frank N Stein: ITT: farkers discussing what they imagine gun owners to be

I don't have to. I am a gun owner. I support gun rights. I want absolutely nothing to do with the NRA any more, or with what passes for pro-gun activists these days.
Look at those rallys - those people are just plain nuts. These drooling, shrieking maniacs are far more likely to cost me my gun rights than preserve them - and I would no more enter a crowd of them than I would a baboon cage at the zoo.

A thousand times *this*. And the constant junk mail and robot calls begging for cash...it never f*cking stops.

The Cal Rifle & Pistol folks are all right, though. They actually have useful info, and they don't beg for money nearly as hard. And you don't get the high grade social conservative derp with cowboys and crying eagles.

But anyway, f*ck the NRA.


F*ck the Brady Campaign.
F*ck the Million Mom March.
 
2014-04-01 01:03:34 AM
Million Moron March and the Brady people are useless grifters scamming rubes for cash, too.

As a gun owner in California, I just don't find the NRA that useful. WWW.crpa.org is where my donations go.
 
2014-04-01 01:04:31 AM

syrynxx: Fart_Machine: Yup you can't buy any guns in California.

There's a micro-stamping law that the avocado-eaters have put on the books for continued gun sales in CA despite it being utterly infeasible.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/03/robert-farago/nssf-saami-fi le -suit-ca-microstamping-law/

There is no existing microstamping technology that meets the requirement of this ill-considered law. It is not technologically possible to microstamp two locations in the gun and have the required information imprint onto the cartridge casing.

"It is not technologically possible" sounds a lot like a complete ban to me.  The last I've heard, handgun manufacturers are stopping CA sales because their (=NO) handguns do not comply with this ridiculous law.  CA representatives are batty as a bunch.


Yup, all the gun stores have shut down too.  They don't even have gun shows anymore.  Also your blog sucks.
 
2014-04-01 06:39:28 AM

The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.


I'm sorry to burst your stereotype, but I own firearms, and am totally sane.


If this isn't a cry for mental help, I don't know what is.

Why would you even type those words? Especially on Fark?

The only way you could come across crazier is by claiming your hot homeschooled wife was typing this for you since you were too busy hitting it from behind.
 
2014-04-01 06:45:58 AM

The_Sponge: F*ck the Brady Campaign.
F*ck the Million Mom March.


You guys are truly awesome.
 
2014-04-01 08:01:01 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE


img.izismile.com

Deed Zumvan zay Violent Conzerfativ?
 
2014-04-01 08:11:20 AM

BSABSVR: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?

such as?

"Fudds" are the new "activist judge". It's a completely meaningless phrase designed to allow morons to identify as more pro gun than thou (without having to be articulate or logical).


Yeah...always a sure sign that a movement is reasonable when they alienate their moderates (rather than attempt any discourse).  Good luck to them on all that.

/Wouldn't join the NPR if they paid me
 
2014-04-01 08:14:25 AM

Bonzo_1116: jso2897: Frank N Stein: ITT: farkers discussing what they imagine gun owners to be

I don't have to. I am a gun owner. I support gun rights. I want absolutely nothing to do with the NPR any more, or with what passes for pro-gun activists these days.
Look at those rallys - those people are just plain nuts. These drooling, shrieking maniacs are far more likely to cost me my gun rights than preserve them - and I would no more enter a crowd of them than I would a baboon cage at the zoo.

A thousand times *this*. And the constant junk mail and robot calls begging for cash...it never f*cking stops.

The Cal Rifle & Pistol folks are all right, though. They actually have useful info, and they don't beg for money nearly as hard. And you don't get the high grade social conservative derp with cowboys and crying eagles.

But anyway, f*ck the NPR.


All of this right here.  Especially the last part.
 
2014-04-01 08:31:53 AM

vharshyde: Pants full of macaroni!!: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE

[img.izismile.com image 280x448]

Deed Zumvan zay Violent Conzerfativ?


You know as well as I do that Hitler was a greenie-weenie commie-cuddling big-government Libtard.  Nazi means National Socialist, i.e. Libbylib Lib-U-Lardo, and all of history's dictators are firmly on the Left.
 
2014-04-01 08:39:22 AM

born_yesterday: BSABSVR: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?

such as?

"Fudds" are the new "activist judge". It's a completely meaningless phrase designed to allow morons to identify as more pro gun than thou (without having to be articulate or logical).

Yeah...always a sure sign that a movement is reasonable when they alienate their moderates (rather than attempt any discourse).  Good luck to them on all that.

/Wouldn't join the NPR if they paid me


The nation already had a conversation about gun control. The gun control advocates lost.
 
2014-04-01 08:59:02 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: vharshyde: Pants full of macaroni!!: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE

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Deed Zumvan zay Violent Conzerfativ?

You know as well as I do that Hitler was a greenie-weenie commie-cuddling big-government Libtard.  Nazi means National Socialist, i.e. Libbylib Lib-U-Lardo, and all of history's dictators are firmly on the Left.


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Nein! Da Leebs kannot rock zees banjo like Ein kampff. Only Leeb Heepsturfs. And dey kannot zolo like Ei zolo.
 
2014-04-01 09:26:26 AM

The_Sponge: And could we please save the sanity/insanity talk for something else?  My younger brother has battled mental illness for quite some time.


Hope you keep your guns away from him.
 
2014-04-01 10:24:49 AM

ckccfa: The_Sponge: And could we please save the sanity/insanity talk for something else?  My younger brother has battled mental illness for quite some time.

Hope you keep your guns away from him.


Absolutely.
 
2014-04-01 10:25:43 AM
You guys realize that Hitler supported uber strict gun laws, ja?
 
2014-04-01 11:59:26 AM

The_Sponge: You guys realize that Hitler supported uber strict gun laws, ja?


No.
 
2014-04-01 12:14:25 PM

Fart_Machine: The_Sponge: You guys realize that Hitler supported uber strict gun laws, ja?

No.


So Hitler allowed all people (including Jews) to own guns?  Hmm, that is news to me.
 
2014-04-01 12:31:48 PM

HeadLever: Fart_Machine: The_Sponge: You guys realize that Hitler supported uber strict gun laws, ja?

No.

So Hitler allowed all people (including Jews) to own guns?  Hmm, that is news to me.


The laws on firearms were deregulated from what they were under the Treaty of Versailles.  Persecuted classes were prohibited from owning firearms so if we have laws against criminals and the mentally ill buying guns we're just like Hitler.
 
2014-04-01 12:48:06 PM

Fart_Machine: Persecuted classes were prohibited from owning firearms so if we have laws against criminals and the mentally ill buying guns we're just like Hitler.


So, Jews are mentally ill criminals now?  Hmm, not sure I like how you think.
 
2014-04-01 12:51:03 PM

HeadLever: Fart_Machine: Persecuted classes were prohibited from owning firearms so if we have laws against criminals and the mentally ill buying guns we're just like Hitler.

So, Jews are mentally ill criminals now?  Hmm, not sure I like how you think.


No, I'm pointing out how stupid the Hitler comparison is.

Incidentally Israel requires all gun owners to have a license and regards ownership as a privilege rather than a right.  So they're even worse than Hitler.
 
2014-04-01 12:51:37 PM

The_Sponge: You do realize that there are other Second Amendment rights groups you can join, right?


Yes, for example there's Gun Owners of America.  Though I think they're not in the right direction for you...

tripleseven: I bet you feel all smarmy, sticking up for the gun owners. And isn't this what gun carriers are all about? Specifically open carriers? They want everyone who sees them to know, that they can kill them at any time.

Charming.


Not really the message most of those types are trying to convey.  I see them as more trying the same tactics as the LGBT crowd in getting their existance and problems acknowledged.  There's nothing really stopping LGBT people from hiding their condition, but by doing so they enable discrimination against them becaue the true extent of their existance is hidden.  By 'coming out' and holding marches and stuff people get to see how many of them there really are.  Another important aspect is that people get used to them, knowing they're there, and thus lose their fear.

Same idea with OC.  The vast majority of people are okay with Police carrying, and the Police are more likely to murder you than a person with a concealed carry permit(and most militant OC types have one).

I've carried both concealed and open(job duties in this case), and find open carry more comfortable on average, and much easier to draw.  If people didn't panic if I openly carried outside of uniform, I might do so.  That's what the OC types are trying to get you to do - calm down around firearms.

The_Sponge: You guys realize that Hitler supported uber strict gun laws, ja?


Gotta love Godwining the thread, but in actuallity Hitler's position on firearms was more nuanced.  He made it easier to obtain them if you were part of the ubermensch, but pretty much banned them if you were part of a non-protected group like Jews, Gypsies, gay, etc...

Even the NPR has had some history where they briefly supported 'Saturday night special' laws that attempted to ban 'cheap' handguns, which would disproportionately affect the poor from owning firearms, and if you target the poor in the USA you end up targeting blacks(and other minorities) even worse.

On the other hand, you can at least argue that cheap handguns are the ones most used in crimes.  'Assault weapons' like the AR-15 are used in crimes so rarely that when they are it generally makes national news. Meanwhile cheap handguns are used in crime hundreds of times a day.  They're something like 80% of murders.  So I have some respect for gun-grabbers that at least go after the guns used in crime, handguns, but I have very little for those that target rifles, which are used in crime and to commit murder even less than shotguns.  Rifles(323 murders in 2011) are also lower on the list than 'blunt instruments' which includes hammers and baseball bats(496).

That brings up a rather disturbing fact as well:  If you remove murders committed by and against blacks(most of it is black on black), the USA drops down into the midrange for Europe's murder rates. Source

Black Victims: 2695/6131, 44%, Black suspects: 2958/6131, 48%.  They're only 13% of the population!  Without them our murder rate would drop 40%.  Even worse, because I don't actually blame them as a race, but a specific sub-culture that is predominately black, if we could eliminate the inner-city gang culture our violence rates would drop even more.
 
2014-04-01 12:52:53 PM
Laughter OL at the April fools filter

NPR (nat'l pub radio)

NPR (nat'l rifle assn)
 
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